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Shanahan gets his back of the future? (1 Viewer)

'TheWheel said:
It seems everyone has forgotten Shanahan's RB magic. Torian has the advantage in that he already knows the offense. He will be the first one up to bat. If he struggles or get injured Helu will get an opportunity which, looking at Helu's college career and Shanahan's ability to get production from his RBs, could be special.

Obviously, this all hinges on passing production.

If Reuben Droughns can be passed off as a starting RB, pretty much anybody can.
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and it seems because anyone can be passed off, that calling Helu or Torrian or Royster "back of the future" is overstepping. One of them might be the back of 2011, but more than that we will see.
 
'eaglesfan7 said:
I didn't post that link so don't bite my head off. I heard shanahan on NFL network.
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My bad, I now see you said the source was NFL network. I find it hard to believe that he would say that on TV (Torain to be the backup), but if you said you heard it, that's cool. I have Helu in one league :)
 
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Helu couldn't have hoped to land in a better situation for his skillset. I could easily see him supplanting Torain even before the start of the season, however, I still don't recommend taking him before the very end of the 1st of the early 2nd round in rookie drafts. Helu, while talented, has not flashed anything to show that he will be more than a 900-1100 yard, 8-10 TD/a season back with little bit of receiving thrown in. Plus, you have to deal with the fun that is a Shanny backfield and the headgames that goes along with it.

 
He was one of the best receiving RBs coming out of college and even had okay receiving numbers last year so idk what you are talking about.

Not sure about his blocking abilities

 
I dont think he used the word backup but he said: "torrain played hard last season and isn't going anywhere but we drafted these two young backs for a reason. We wouldn't have drafted these two guys if we didnt like what we saw on the tape." He then went on to say they would compete for the starting job but he didnt say with torrain. Could be mind games or the usual motivational play towards torrain. Who really knOws with shanny

 
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'HPD said:
Torain is 24 and finished the season healthy and with good numbers. As long as Torain remains healthy he is their guy. Granted big if, but Torain is exacty the kind of 1 cut and go guy the Shananigans love. Helu is cut in the same mold. Torain gets hurt, Helu goes in. Simple Shananigan math.
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I couldnt disagree more, the only way Torain starts is if Helu is a complete bust. Even then im not sure Torain will be the starter for long.
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Barring a FA signing at RB, why are you saying this?
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Because Torain is not a good RB, and has no business starting in the NFL. He needed Larry Johnson to be cut mid season to make it up from the practice squad last year. What is it about Torain that makes anyone think he will be the starter next year?
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4.5 ypc behind a terrible O-line last year on 164 carries.Started 8 games last year. In those 8 games, had the following:

20/100/2

21/125

24/172

6 games of 18+ carries

The guy isn't an elite talent by any stretch, but he got the job done for them and fits their scheme. What is it about Helu that makes you think he will be the starter? Was it his incredibly high 4th round draft spot?

He may or may not be better than Torain, that remains to be seen. But, barring injury, I'd say it's Torain's job to lose at this point. It may happen, but I think it stands to reason that he gets the starting job based on his experience and his decent #'s last year than a 4th round rookie RB.
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Im not sure that oline was terrible. Shanahans zone blocking scheme had made alot of bad rbs look good. Torain came in during the season on fresh legs and had a few good games, I'm not ready to call him a good rb because of it. Helu may not be an elite talent, but I think he is better than Torain and will have little problem taking the starting job.Obviously we won't know who is right for 4-6 months, but I dont think Shanny took two rbs in the draft because he felt good about Torain being the starter.
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He took RB's in the 4th and 6th round. It's not like they went out and used one of their top 3 picks to get a guy. Did you expect them to not take anyone? Who is behind Torain? Portis is gone. They have Keiland WIlliams and.....??? James Davis? That's it. Of course they were going to take a RB. There were 8 RBs already drafted ahead of him. And it's not as if this guy was highly rated going into the draft either. Helu was drafted not because they don't feel good about Torain being the starter. He was drafted because they don't feel good about Keiland Williams being the only backup. Especially given Torain's injury history. Other than that, there is NOTHING that points to Helu being the starter over Torain at this point. Until Shanahan or someone else from Washington's office comes out and says otherwise, there are far more reasons to expect Torain to have the job until it's lost than vice versa.

Now, if you think Helu will outplay him and take the job, then I won't necessarily argue with that. That's an opinion and I don't feel strongly enough about Torain or know enough about Helu to argue otherwise. But, to say that Helu comes in as the favorite to start flies against common sense at this point.

As for Torain "coming in on fresh legs", he started with 18 carries in week 4 and was considered the starter for the rest of the year with the exception of the 4 games he missed due to injury. In fact, in weeks 4, 5, 6, and 7 his carry totals were 18, 16, 20, and 21. So again, I'm sorry, but that's rubbish.
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Thats exactly what i think and why i have been saying Helu will be the starter. Obviously if Toarin outplayed Helu in training camp/preseason he would keeep the starting job. I just dont see anyway that happens.

 
I'm getting a headache from all the nonsense in this thread. Torain is a 3rd down back? Have you ever watched a single down of football?

Torain is a monster when he's healthy, and is most certainly NOT a 3rd down back. He'll have the job for at least a while unless Helu turns into ADP and blows everyone out of the water.

 
'Warrior said:
I'm getting a headache from all the nonsense in this thread. Torain is a 3rd down back? Have you ever watched a single down of football?Torain is a monster when he's healthy, and is most certainly NOT a 3rd down back. He'll have the job for at least a while unless Helu turns into ADP and blows everyone out of the water.
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I agree torain is not a 3rd down back, but Helu wont need to be as good as Peterson to take the staring job.
 
'Jeff Pasquino said:
The league is, and has always been, a copycat league. The league is throwing the ball more, and practically everyone is saying that RBBC is the way most teams are going, or at least a "2 back system'. Add in that the NFL is now pass-happy where a franchise QB is the dominant way to get to the postseason, everything about a passing game is more important. Pass protection, QBs, WRs, and defenders to rush the passer and blanket WRs. That's one of the reasons DEs were coveted this draft.Factor in that some teams were successful with later round RBs or UDFAs at the position and many are reconsidering when they should draft that position. With teams able to get more backs later due to the depth of the position - most everyone said that the RB pool was deep this year, even if it all wasn't "A" grade RBs - many teams were able to successfully wait to get one. Indy, Philly, Washington, and Atlanta all got guys on Day 3 that can contribute to their offenses in some way, shape or form in a RBBC scenario as early this year. Even Buffalo got a guy who could replace Fred Jackson next year. It is supply and demand. Even with RBBC, there's no more than 64 jobs for RBs in the NFL. I'd say 15-18 viable fantasy contributor RBs might be coming into the league this season alone, and it wouldn't be too hard to find 40-45 guys already in the NFL that can do the same.
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Theory theory theory, no application.No different than the useless theory we always hear about how great QB play opens things up for the running game and poor QB makes it near impossible to run, while every year 80-90% of the top 10 FF running backs come from teams with below average QB play.It's all just words. Show me something that shows that GM's are ACTUALLY picking fewer RBs early than ever before, and maybe it will mean something. But all I'm seeing is FBG telling us over and over how NFL GMs don't value running backs at all because they're so easy to come by, and they all would rather just stock up on a bunch of mediocre ones, but then when I actually look at the NFL I see running backs with huge contracts, multiple running backs being drafted in the 1st round even in some very weak running back classes, running backs signing bigtime FA deals, etc.The *reality* of the situation is that armchair FFers think that running back is nothing but a plug and play position where anyone will work, and while several NFL GMs abide by that same theory, the majority still do not.Theorycraft is the tool of the guppy.
 
Also, that's one of the most unimpressive highlight reels I've seen. The guy has no wiggle whatsoever. He has some great straight line speed if he gets into the open but I don't think there was a single play in those 7+ minutes where he made a single guy miss or made something out of nothing. Unless there are holes opened up for him, I don't see him doing much at all. And I doubt that happens in Washington.

 
While I agree that I've seen much more impressive reels, you can't say that he doesn't make anyone miss in that video. Watch it again, closer this time.
 
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