Blackjacks
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I just can't see KC taking Crabtree with all the other needs they have especially considering they have good weapons already on the offensive side of the ball
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Shark Pool Mock Draft - V1.0. (1 Viewer)
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I could see Crabtree in KC if Haley goes there. Gonzo can't possibly play at this level for too much longer and having Crabtree/Bowe could create something similar to the Boldin/Fitz effect. It would certainly be interesting.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I hope we can get a couple more than 5 picks in tommorrow.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Yea, me too. At one point I counted the next 6 guys online while we were waiting for one guy to pick. Hopefully things will go more smoothly tomorrow.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Maybe I'll hold it up until Blackjacks's signature shrinks.
I mean you are posting like 10x per page, I ask you to consider this.
n/m I just found out I can deactivate signatures.
I mean you are posting like 10x per page, I ask you to consider this.
n/m I just found out I can deactivate signatures.
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Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I'll consider it buddyChicago Hooligan said:
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Chicago Hooligan said:
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Kirby
Footballguy
1.06 - Cincinnati Bengals: Michael Oher, OT - Mississippi
The line was horrible last year. Levi is either All-Pro, hurt, whining, or giving up 5 sacks a game. I wouldn't be suprised if he was cut. Andrews was disappointing and is now a free agent with a horrible knee injury. They'll probably resign him to a cheap one year deal. I don't know if his knee will be ready. Last years 4th rounder, Anthony Collins, looked pretty good. He looked good against Harrison and Suggs... not so much against Freeney. He has a lot of potential and I think he'll start at one of the tackle spots this year. Oher can come in and start at one of the tackle spots right away and be an upgrade. He's also someone that won't show up on the police blotter.
The line was horrible last year. Levi is either All-Pro, hurt, whining, or giving up 5 sacks a game. I wouldn't be suprised if he was cut. Andrews was disappointing and is now a free agent with a horrible knee injury. They'll probably resign him to a cheap one year deal. I don't know if his knee will be ready. Last years 4th rounder, Anthony Collins, looked pretty good. He looked good against Harrison and Suggs... not so much against Freeney. He has a lot of potential and I think he'll start at one of the tackle spots this year. Oher can come in and start at one of the tackle spots right away and be an upgrade. He's also someone that won't show up on the police blotter.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I like Oher a lot and I think he proved at the Senior Bowl that he can definitely be an elite tackle as at times he was dominant.
The only knocks on him are his inconsistency and toughness, both of which I believe will come with maturity. I think he showed people a lot (in a good way) when he returned to school this year. I also read accounts that he was very teachable, increased his aggressiveness and play, and really pleased his coaches this year.
He's not the greatest run blocker yet, which is something the Bengals sorely need after averaging somewhere near Plaxico Burress' GPA, but is an excellent pass blocker which is good news for Carson Palmer.
The only knocks on him are his inconsistency and toughness, both of which I believe will come with maturity. I think he showed people a lot (in a good way) when he returned to school this year. I also read accounts that he was very teachable, increased his aggressiveness and play, and really pleased his coaches this year.
He's not the greatest run blocker yet, which is something the Bengals sorely need after averaging somewhere near Plaxico Burress' GPA, but is an excellent pass blocker which is good news for Carson Palmer.
eric rymer
Footballguy
Sounds like a winner to me. You guys can have Crabtree and we'll take Curry.Atomic Punk said:
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Good pick for the Bengals. Oher has huge upside and should improve their line from day one. Some people have Oher falling and I don't know why. He did make a few mistakes in the pit at the Senior Bowl, but in almost every case he learned from his mistake and handled the guy the next time he tried the same move. Also, he at least showed up in Mobile. Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe both declined the invite and some people now have their stock improving based on doing nothing, which never made much sense to me.1.06 - Cincinnati Bengals: Michael Oher, OT - Mississippi
The line was horrible last year. Levi is either All-Pro, hurt, whining, or giving up 5 sacks a game. I wouldn't be suprised if he was cut. Andrews was disappointing and is now a free agent with a horrible knee injury. They'll probably resign him to a cheap one year deal. I don't know if his knee will be ready. Last years 4th rounder, Anthony Collins, looked pretty good. He looked good against Harrison and Suggs... not so much against Freeney. He has a lot of potential and I think he'll start at one of the tackle spots this year. Oher can come in and start at one of the tackle spots right away and be an upgrade. He's also someone that won't show up on the police blotter.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I'll be back about 11 or so. I doubt it'll reach me by than, but you never know.....
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Back tracking because I'm just in for the 1st time today.
I like Enforcer's choice for Seattle....his logic is sound. Everyone has locked Crabtree into that pick so many times that they freak if they see anything different. Seattle needs to rebuild that OL and Eugene is arguably the best OT in this draft (He's my #1 right now pre-combine). IF Seattle so chooses to go with a WR in the 2nd, chances are they still get a guy that can outshine Crabtree. Everyone's so crazy about Crabtree......I'm not as high on him and I agree that it's too much of a chance to take with that high of a pick and with that much money floating around. Good choice for Seattle.
I like Enforcer's choice for Seattle....his logic is sound. Everyone has locked Crabtree into that pick so many times that they freak if they see anything different. Seattle needs to rebuild that OL and Eugene is arguably the best OT in this draft (He's my #1 right now pre-combine). IF Seattle so chooses to go with a WR in the 2nd, chances are they still get a guy that can outshine Crabtree. Everyone's so crazy about Crabtree......I'm not as high on him and I agree that it's too much of a chance to take with that high of a pick and with that much money floating around. Good choice for Seattle.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I like this pick and it's good to see somebody not dropping Oher. Personally, I have him ranked 2a after Monroe and just before Jason Smith at 2b. I'm not as high on Andre Smith as most. I foresee weight being a real problem for Andre.....I don't think he's the slam-dunk most say he is.1.06 - Cincinnati Bengals: Michael Oher, OT - Mississippi
The line was horrible last year. Levi is either All-Pro, hurt, whining, or giving up 5 sacks a game. I wouldn't be suprised if he was cut. Andrews was disappointing and is now a free agent with a horrible knee injury. They'll probably resign him to a cheap one year deal. I don't know if his knee will be ready. Last years 4th rounder, Anthony Collins, looked pretty good. He looked good against Harrison and Suggs... not so much against Freeney. He has a lot of potential and I think he'll start at one of the tackle spots this year. Oher can come in and start at one of the tackle spots right away and be an upgrade. He's also someone that won't show up on the police blotter.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Are we sending out emails/pm's to let people know they are up?
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Agree. Add to that, Crabtree is Bowe Jr. Most teams don't try to have two slower, power/possession WRs on offense. A speed guy to compliment Bowe is seriously needed before Gonzo fades out, and I didn't get to see any of Bradley's game (in KC or before in Chi) so I don't feel compelled to speak about whether or not they even need WR, but Crabtree to KC never suited me well.
eric rymer
Footballguy
Andy has been doing both. Not sure about the status on this one though.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
massraider was on last night, I'm sure he knows that he's either up or close to up. But if he is west coast, it's still a little early.Andy has been doing both. Not sure about the status on this one though.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
I have a meeting at 11 CST but am checking this often, so don't skip me.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
Maybe whenever someone makes a pick, he can PM the guy after him.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
massraider sent me a PM with his phone number so I could text him. Unfortunately it included an extra digit in the number so I can't make out what it is.
BTW - I'm going to be out most of the day starting at 11.
BTW - I'm going to be out most of the day starting at 11.
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QuizGuy66
Footballguy
I like this pick and it's good to see somebody not dropping Oher. Personally, I have him ranked 2a after Monroe and just before Jason Smith at 2b. I'm not as high on Andre Smith as most. I foresee weight being a real problem for Andre.....I don't think he's the slam-dunk most say he is.1.06 - Cincinnati Bengals: Michael Oher, OT - Mississippi
The line was horrible last year. Levi is either All-Pro, hurt, whining, or giving up 5 sacks a game. I wouldn't be suprised if he was cut. Andrews was disappointing and is now a free agent with a horrible knee injury. They'll probably resign him to a cheap one year deal. I don't know if his knee will be ready. Last years 4th rounder, Anthony Collins, looked pretty good. He looked good against Harrison and Suggs... not so much against Freeney. He has a lot of potential and I think he'll start at one of the tackle spots this year. Oher can come in and start at one of the tackle spots right away and be an upgrade. He's also someone that won't show up on the police blotter.
Who Dey! Get Kirby a job in the Bengals front office!-QG
Kirby
Footballguy
x3 I keep seeing these guys jump ahead of him and I don't know why. A few slip ups at the Senior bowl but as Wadsworth said, he was learning from them and making corrections. He was my #2 OT and there's really no other position the Bengals should be looking at here.
Kirby
Footballguy
I think anyone whose played franchise mode on Madden would be better than Mikey.I like this pick and it's good to see somebody not dropping Oher. Personally, I have him ranked 2a after Monroe and just before Jason Smith at 2b. I'm not as high on Andre Smith as most. I foresee weight being a real problem for Andre.....I don't think he's the slam-dunk most say he is.1.06 - Cincinnati Bengals: Michael Oher, OT - Mississippi
The line was horrible last year. Levi is either All-Pro, hurt, whining, or giving up 5 sacks a game. I wouldn't be suprised if he was cut. Andrews was disappointing and is now a free agent with a horrible knee injury. They'll probably resign him to a cheap one year deal. I don't know if his knee will be ready. Last years 4th rounder, Anthony Collins, looked pretty good. He looked good against Harrison and Suggs... not so much against Freeney. He has a lot of potential and I think he'll start at one of the tackle spots this year. Oher can come in and start at one of the tackle spots right away and be an upgrade. He's also someone that won't show up on the police blotter.
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the first number isn't a '1' is it...?massraider sent me a PM with his phone number so I could text him. Unfortunately it included an extra digit in the number so I can't make out what it is.BTW - I'm going to be out most of the day starting at 11.
massraider
Footballguy
With the 7th pick in the first round, the Oakland Raiders select:
Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
Al Davis issued the following press release"
Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech
Al Davis issued the following press release"
Crabtree was a no-brainer. With 3 of the top tackles gone, the only temptation was Raji. Although I personally think by the time the draft rolls around, Everrette Brown will be talked about here as well. If I was running the Raiders, I'd take Raji, I think he might be another Cortez Kennedy. But Crabtree slid a bit, making him a great value pick here. Look out for a CB here, too. Al loves DBs.I am not so sure that Crabtree is such a lock to the Seahawks. Free agency hasn't happened, we haven't heard much about who teams like, and so forth. Lot of things can change before the draft, including a team deciding it may be smarter to build through the line. Groupthink is taking hold really early at that #4 spot.
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TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Raiders have alot of needs, and while a rookie WR probably does not improve the team all that much in the near term, finding a legit WR for Russell before he turns to mush is something the Raiders need to do. But admittedly, the Raiders could go several directions here like you indicate.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I think if this would happen this way Al would have his nicest looking jump suit cleaned up and come into the conference room doing circles on his silver and black mechanical wheelchair with his silver eye patch over his right eye.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
Crabtree is a top talent and fits well with the Raiders rebuilding. The pick qualifies as a no-brainer to me as well.
RC94
Footballguy
I agree. They have a big need for a #1 WR, regardless of who the QB is, but also considering how much they invested in Russell, they need to surround him with better talent if they want to get a good return on that investment. Crabtree is also pretty good value at this point in the draft simply from a BPA perspective.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Enforcer
Footballguy
Thanks for the support. I expected to get blasted by some.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
With the 8th pick in the first round, the Jacksonville Jaguars select:
Jason Smith, Offensive Tackle, Baylor
BAP: Most agree that there is a group of 4 top offensive tackles in this draft. That's about where the agreement stops. In the last couple of months we've seen Oher the consensus #1, then Andre Smith was it for a while, now most people seem to think Eugene Monroe is on top. Mike Maylock among others, thinks that Jason Smith is the best LT prospect. The bottom line is that all 4 are pretty good prospects and worthy of consideration in the top 10 as best available player.
Need: Khalif Barnes has been disappointing and is a free agent. His heir apparent, Richard Collier was tragically shot and paralyzed last year. Currently, the Jaguars don't even have a left tackle on their roster. I have hopes that they will sign someone before the draft to give them more flexibility in round one, but until they do unfortunately need may play a part in this selection.
Jason Smith: is a former tight end that has developed into a fluid and effective pass blocker. He has those "good feet" that scouts love in their left tackle prospects. He may need to add some strength particularly in the legs and core, but has the frame to add the muscle without impairing his quickness.
Other consideration: If the Jags can sign a left tackle or if the top 4 tackles are gone; Jenkins to pair with Mathis, Raji to pair with Henderson or Everette Brown to team with Harvey and Groves would all be interesting options.
PS: Don't be surprised if the Jaguars trade down. GM Gene Smith and owner Wayne Weaver have both mentioned trading back in press conferences in the last month.
Jason Smith, Offensive Tackle, Baylor
BAP: Most agree that there is a group of 4 top offensive tackles in this draft. That's about where the agreement stops. In the last couple of months we've seen Oher the consensus #1, then Andre Smith was it for a while, now most people seem to think Eugene Monroe is on top. Mike Maylock among others, thinks that Jason Smith is the best LT prospect. The bottom line is that all 4 are pretty good prospects and worthy of consideration in the top 10 as best available player.
Need: Khalif Barnes has been disappointing and is a free agent. His heir apparent, Richard Collier was tragically shot and paralyzed last year. Currently, the Jaguars don't even have a left tackle on their roster. I have hopes that they will sign someone before the draft to give them more flexibility in round one, but until they do unfortunately need may play a part in this selection.
Jason Smith: is a former tight end that has developed into a fluid and effective pass blocker. He has those "good feet" that scouts love in their left tackle prospects. He may need to add some strength particularly in the legs and core, but has the frame to add the muscle without impairing his quickness.
Other consideration: If the Jags can sign a left tackle or if the top 4 tackles are gone; Jenkins to pair with Mathis, Raji to pair with Henderson or Everette Brown to team with Harvey and Groves would all be interesting options.
PS: Don't be surprised if the Jaguars trade down. GM Gene Smith and owner Wayne Weaver have both mentioned trading back in press conferences in the last month.
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Wadsworth
Footballguy
Andy said he wanted us to take some time between picks. Sorry, didn't mean to hold it up too much. Just trying to avoid stepping on the last selection.Wadsworth? Where did you go? Pretty sure you know you're up.
eric rymer
Footballguy
I don't think it's a bad pick either. I think you could easily justify either selection as a need. But, I am a firm believer that solid lines on both sides of the call are the key to building great franchises. And I like when someone isn't afraid to go against the grain. Nice selection
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Baylor rushed for 2,349 yards and 29 td's this past year with Smith leading the way. Great pick for a run-first team. MJD is doing cartwheels in the Jax locker room after this pick.
jestertj
Footballguy
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
stevegamer
Footballguy
With Seattle's starting OL ending the year on IR, and players getting older (especially Jones) it's a big need. I'd defintely rather have a OT than Crabtree.Blackjacks
Footballguy
I might have disagreed with you but I don't want to come off as I blasted on you. I think you logic makes alot of sense and I wouldn't be surprised if you were right. I guess I have seeb Crabtree to Seattle so much I was just very surprised to see you went elsewhere with the pick. Good job
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
With the 9th pick in the first round, the Green Bay Packers select:
Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
(scattered boos)
Another good spot to trade down from, with Everette Brown, Raji and Jenkins available. If "stuck" drafting at #9 they all look like good additions to GB's new 3-4 defense. When we began this draft I was sure I wanted Jenkins.
But I remember that in the games last year where the Packers were in control, they wanted to and did run more - the times when Grant had 25, 30, or even more carries. Brandon Jackson can make plays on the outside and in the passing game but isn't a great secondary runner. The team's RB scouting (beyond Grant) looks iffy, with Morency, Herron, Wynn etc. not finding homes elsewhere once off GB's roster.
Moreno is fast, strong, has good hands, and is absolutely a 1st round RB. There is (supposedly) low demand for the position in this year's first round, but just means you can find a good one later than usual. I looked at last year's mock linked in the first post and noticed that someone took Chris Johnson in the 2nd round for the Packers - a guy they didn't "need" but who would have certainly improved the offense. Same for Felix Jones in Dallas last season. There are 3-4 defenders available through the 2nd and 3rd rounds: the Packers choose to start with the draft's best RB.
Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia
(scattered boos)
Another good spot to trade down from, with Everette Brown, Raji and Jenkins available. If "stuck" drafting at #9 they all look like good additions to GB's new 3-4 defense. When we began this draft I was sure I wanted Jenkins.
But I remember that in the games last year where the Packers were in control, they wanted to and did run more - the times when Grant had 25, 30, or even more carries. Brandon Jackson can make plays on the outside and in the passing game but isn't a great secondary runner. The team's RB scouting (beyond Grant) looks iffy, with Morency, Herron, Wynn etc. not finding homes elsewhere once off GB's roster.
Moreno is fast, strong, has good hands, and is absolutely a 1st round RB. There is (supposedly) low demand for the position in this year's first round, but just means you can find a good one later than usual. I looked at last year's mock linked in the first post and noticed that someone took Chris Johnson in the 2nd round for the Packers - a guy they didn't "need" but who would have certainly improved the offense. Same for Felix Jones in Dallas last season. There are 3-4 defenders available through the 2nd and 3rd rounds: the Packers choose to start with the draft's best RB.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
I think you hit the nail on the head. I think it would be wise to take a tackle at that spot.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
I've got to say, as a Packer fan, I'm definitely surprised by this.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Wow, that pick certainly threw me for a loop. I thought Raji was a lock.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
I think I've only seen one mock with Moreno in the Top 10, so I know this is a surprise pick. And of course I welcome criticism.
The smart/safe pick is probably Jenkins. He can attack the line of scrimmage on running plays and play zone, both weaknesses for Al Harris. But I liked Tramon Williams filling in for Harris last year, and Jenkins may be more beneficial to a team who can play him at free safety. Another underachieving 1st round pick on D for the Packers would be a disaster.
The smart/safe pick is probably Jenkins. He can attack the line of scrimmage on running plays and play zone, both weaknesses for Al Harris. But I liked Tramon Williams filling in for Harris last year, and Jenkins may be more beneficial to a team who can play him at free safety. Another underachieving 1st round pick on D for the Packers would be a disaster.
