Shark Pool Mock Draft - V1.0. (2 Viewers)

[bcr8f]

Who has the Cowboys?

 

[Kirby]

Who has the Cowboys?

Ariakis made thier last pick.

 

[bcr8f]

I think I've only seen one mock with Moreno in the Top 10, so I know this is a surprise pick. And of course I welcome criticism.

The smart/safe pick is probably Jenkins. He can attack the line of scrimmage on running plays and play zone, both weaknesses for Al Harris. But I liked Tramon Williams filling in for Harris last year, and Jenkins may be more beneficial to a team who can play him at free safety. Another underachieving 1st round pick on D for the Packers would be a disaster.

Really glad that you are only doing a mock pick and not the real deal. Issue with the running game has been more on the offensive line than the backs. Moreno is not going to be that big of an improvement unless the line plays better. Sure think there was some better players out there in need areas on this team.If you are talking about Hawk as underachieving player, you should take a look at the BS scheme he was playing in. Hawk is more of a downhill player and in BS's sheme it was read and react. A healthy Hawk will be a better player in the new scheme. Will give you Harrell if that is the 1st rounder you are talking about.

I agree completely. After he was healthy Grant was running hard but the holes weren't there. I'd like a see a trade down unless a good o-lineman, d-lineman/3-4 LB is there and go big uglies in this draft.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Wow, still rolling! Here's to hoping my Who Deys go either RB/WR/DE here

-QG

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

There are about 1,000 mock drafts out there with GB selecting Raji, go read one of those and feel better.

 

[bcr8f]

There are about 1,000 mock drafts out there with GB selecting Raji, go read one of those and feel better.

No need to insult anyone. I don't like him either. We are just expressing opinions like you have.You are right about Ted picking the best available player but he also likes trading down. Unless a top OT is there are or Curry I hope he does this time.How do you see the upcoming 2 picks?

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I don't mind the criticism but am amused by comments like "I'M SO GLAD THIS ISN'T UP TO YOU"

I will need to look at some Top 100 talent lists for these next picks, I probably haven't seen most of these guys play. I'm hesitant to blow more picks on OL here as the team is already stocked with "project" players and I don't think they need another to shuffle between positions. If the Packers bring in free agents I think it's better to do that for the OL than on defense.

Any defensive players who can play at the line of scrimmage and ideally have some pass rush ability are an option for these picks.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I don't mind the criticism but am amused by comments like "I'M SO GLAD THIS ISN'T UP TO YOU"

Take it with a grain of salt CH.Look at the draft from last year and what Alma's 4th child did. A very unexpected pick at #56 and I'm sure some Packer fans saw it and groaned.His first 4 picks...30 - Antoine Cason CB56 - Chris Johnson RB60 - Fred Davis TE91 - Donnie Avery WRLast year people were beating the drum for CB, S, OL, and DL. In hindsight, would the above draft maybe turned out decent for GB? Maybe.I agree that the OL was subpar last year and didn't open holes for Grant but it goes both ways. A RB can make his OL look good just like the OL can make a RB look good. Grant is nice but he's not a stud RB.

 

[bcr8f]

I don't mind the criticism but am amused by comments like "I'M SO GLAD THIS ISN'T UP TO YOU"

I will need to look at some Top 100 talent lists for these next picks, I probably haven't seen most of these guys play. I'm hesitant to blow more picks on OL here as the team is already stocked with "project" players and I don't think they need another to shuffle between positions. If the Packers bring in free agents I think it's better to do that for the OL than on defense.

Any defensive players who can play at the line of scrimmage and ideally have some pass rush ability are an option for these picks.

That didn't come from me. The Packers are a popular mock draft team and people have strong opinions on who to draft. You can't trade down at Ted often likes to do ad possibly get an extra 2nd round pick. You could ask for suggestions from the fans here when your time is coming up(by PM) but make whatever pick you like.

CB and 3-4 linemen and LB are a possible need. It all depends on what TT does in free agency.

I like the discussions here. I know some people want to make the pick themselves.

I have seen the Pack taking Raji and Jenkins a lot in mocks. I'd take Curry if he's there.

Packerchatters mock has them taking Jenkins

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Yeah, I do still like the discussions. scrump is the only one who's been PMing me, while very gracefully not telling me who he would pick. Input from anyone else is welcome. You may have seen some of these guys in action, whereas I'm relying on internet scouting reports and Youtube reels.

I think these #73/83 picks are way easier than the first 2 rounds as people become more focused on drafting positionally. We are collectively (probably) straying further from the real draft outcome as some players ranked in the 40s continue to drop. I just read a few other 2-round mocks and some really good-sounding players are still on the board for us.

 

[Ariakis]

Some good thoughts here. We're in agreement on the MLB, NT/DE status. Also agree on the need for young OL to groom.We're in significant disagreement about the secondary. I think the team is strong at corner and in big need of a quality safety. Hamlin is the only legit starter on the roster. He is firmly entrenched at free safety. Roy Williams is likely to be a salary cap casualty. His coverage problems are legendary. Keith Davis is a good special teamer. But he was backing up Roy for a reason. Watkins has had his 3 years in the system and he's shown he's not the answer. His contract is up and I question whether he returns. Anthony Henry is not a starter at FS ahead of Hamlin. Hamlin is not a quality SS. He doesnt possess the tackling ability to do it regularly. Henry is an average CB. He is a good nickle/dime safety. He does NOT start ahead of Hamlin though. Moving him to free and Hamlin to strong is not the answer. That backfield covers well, but doesnt cut it in run support. Thats fine for 3rd and long, but not 2nd and 3.At CB, there is Newman, Scandrick, Jenkins, and Henry. Four very solid guys. Not to mention Ball who played well in limited time last year. Yes, Newman and Henry are both over 30. But Jenkins and Scandrick are more than adequate as future starters. CB is not a need in the short term.There is a very real chance that a rookie could start at SS. Really, the only position on the roster where a rookie might start. Had I been picking at 51, I likely would have gone with Johnson from Alabama or Chung from Oregon State. Had Brace from BC been on the board, I might have gone for him as well. They do need some DL with Tank and Canty likely moving on. But at 51, safety would have been my call.Perhaps at 3.5 it can be addressed.

Coming in on short-notice I wouldn't argue with you I just think that Roy Williams is still a sound SS and Henry would be a fine FS. Hamlin while decent did kill us at the end of the Ravens game (twice). With those 3 plus Watkins and/or a later round prospect I think we'd be OK here. Rather than forcing a pick on need I combined need with upside and the opportunity to really make our DB unit outstanding for years to come.Delmas I think is the Cowboys target ... if he's there he'll be the pick. Since he wasn't, the choice opens a little more.I strongly considered Loadholt OT at that pick but decided he was simply too tall and had enough questions. I actually almost went Meredeth here as he strikes me as a good depth guy short-term at OT/OG and very safe if he doesn't work at OT will work at OG. At this point, the OT prospects I'd take are gone and while there are C/OG prospects, they tend to slide further in a draft so my next pick will be defense.Chung was my safety choice but decided enough talent remains to make it to our next pick should we go that route.Anyways I am at work and fitting this in quietly. If any Cowboys homers want to PM me your ideas I'll get a pick up shortly.

 

[Ridgelake]

Ariakis, I think you're up for 3.05 right now.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I see scrump summarized my attitude well in last year's thread:

Excuse me if I choose not to do the cookie cutter style mock where my team falls in line picking based solely on needs from the top of their list down. I don't see the choice as odd at all. Maybe I can just see the big picture better than others.

Which is the same reason Ted Thompson gets called "arrogant" but I agree with this approach.

 

[Ridgelake]

Some good thoughts here. We're in agreement on the MLB, NT/DE status. Also agree on the need for young OL to groom.We're in significant disagreement about the secondary. I think the team is strong at corner and in big need of a quality safety. Hamlin is the only legit starter on the roster. He is firmly entrenched at free safety. Roy Williams is likely to be a salary cap casualty. His coverage problems are legendary. Keith Davis is a good special teamer. But he was backing up Roy for a reason. Watkins has had his 3 years in the system and he's shown he's not the answer. His contract is up and I question whether he returns. Anthony Henry is not a starter at FS ahead of Hamlin. Hamlin is not a quality SS. He doesnt possess the tackling ability to do it regularly. Henry is an average CB. He is a good nickle/dime safety. He does NOT start ahead of Hamlin though. Moving him to free and Hamlin to strong is not the answer. That backfield covers well, but doesnt cut it in run support. Thats fine for 3rd and long, but not 2nd and 3.At CB, there is Newman, Scandrick, Jenkins, and Henry. Four very solid guys. Not to mention Ball who played well in limited time last year. Yes, Newman and Henry are both over 30. But Jenkins and Scandrick are more than adequate as future starters. CB is not a need in the short term.There is a very real chance that a rookie could start at SS. Really, the only position on the roster where a rookie might start. Had I been picking at 51, I likely would have gone with Johnson from Alabama or Chung from Oregon State. Had Brace from BC been on the board, I might have gone for him as well. They do need some DL with Tank and Canty likely moving on. But at 51, safety would have been my call.Perhaps at 3.5 it can be addressed.

Coming in on short-notice I wouldn't argue with you I just think that Roy Williams is still a sound SS and Henry would be a fine FS. Hamlin while decent did kill us at the end of the Ravens game (twice). With those 3 plus Watkins and/or a later round prospect I think we'd be OK here. Rather than forcing a pick on need I combined need with upside and the opportunity to really make our DB unit outstanding for years to come.Delmas I think is the Cowboys target ... if he's there he'll be the pick. Since he wasn't, the choice opens a little more.I strongly considered Loadholt OT at that pick but decided he was simply too tall and had enough questions. I actually almost went Meredeth here as he strikes me as a good depth guy short-term at OT/OG and very safe if he doesn't work at OT will work at OG. At this point, the OT prospects I'd take are gone and while there are C/OG prospects, they tend to slide further in a draft so my next pick will be defense.Chung was my safety choice but decided enough talent remains to make it to our next pick should we go that route.Anyways I am at work and fitting this in quietly. If any Cowboys homers want to PM me your ideas I'll get a pick up shortly.

You've obviously thought a lot about the picks and positions of need. And getting more discussion going was part of my intention with my post. So I think thats all good.Getting another good young CB is always a plus. Can't argue too much against that.We'll have to wait and see on the safety front. I think Roy Williams will be cut. And Watkins won't be invited back. He's an RFA. Again, Hamlin is likely the only safety to remain. And he's a much better free safety than strong. Time will tell on what actually happens though.

 

[Ariakis]

In my 2nd round pick I went with the assumption they keep Roy Williams at SS and use Henry, Watkins, and Hamlin to round out FS and long yardage situations perhaps coupled with another safety later in the draft. If they do let Roy go, that's more salary cap money to spend on a veteran FA somewhere which will drastically affect these two picks. Had I taken a safety it would have been Chung.

While there is a safety I really like and had I gone in another direction in the 2nd, PM me for who I'd have taken at SS but instead I will go with a Scout.com 4 star DT/DE recruit as I think this tier will last another round at safety. Along with Roy there is the decision on what to do with Canty and a huge hole at DE/DT to fill. As such, I see a player that can fill either need. With the salary cap available if they do let Roy and Canty go, there will be veterans available but this early I'll go with another upside pick that fills a need:

Ricky Jean-Francois, DE, LSU Jr, 6-3, 280

Not a true NT but he may bulk up over time. Ideally I see him as a high motor 3-4 DE who should step in immediately and contribute.

 

[Ariakis]

You've obviously thought a lot about the picks and positions of need. And getting more discussion going was part of my intention with my post. So I think thats all good.Getting another good young CB is always a plus. Can't argue too much against that.We'll have to wait and see on the safety front. I think Roy Williams will be cut. And Watkins won't be invited back. He's an RFA. Again, Hamlin is likely the only safety to remain. And he's a much better free safety than strong. Time will tell on what actually happens though.

I think part of my hesitation is that I'd prefer a veteran at safety than a rookie so while most mocks are giving them a safety I would like to see them fill that with a veteran and add blue chip talent elsewhere.

 

[Kirby]

3.06 - Bengals - Coye Francies, CB - San Jose St.

Can you name the Bengal's 3rd and 4th corners in 08? I doubt I could if I didn't live in Cinci. David Jones and Jamar Fletcher leave a great deal to be desired. This becomes even more apparent when one of your starting corners is out. Francies looked like the real deal during senior bowl week. If he doesn't fall on his face at the combine, I doubt he is still on the board at this spot. He should be able to add a spark to the return game right away, something the Bengals have lacked for years. Also thought about RB and LB, but I think Coye is a great value in the 3rd.

 

[Buffaloes]

3.06 - Bengals - Coye Francies, CB - San Jose St.

Can you name the Bengal's 3rd and 4th corners in 08? I doubt I could if I didn't live in Cinci. David Jones and Jamar Fletcher leave a great deal to be desired. This becomes even more apparent when one of your starting corners is out. Francies looked like the real deal during senior bowl week. If he doesn't fall on his face at the combine, I doubt he is still on the board at this spot. He should be able to add a spark to the return game right away, something the Bengals have lacked for years. Also thought about RB and LB, but I think Coye is a great value in the 3rd.

I was hoping he would somehow last to Denver.

 

[Ridgelake]

In my 2nd round pick I went with the assumption they keep Roy Williams at SS and use Henry, Watkins, and Hamlin to round out FS and long yardage situations perhaps coupled with another safety later in the draft. If they do let Roy go, that's more salary cap money to spend on a veteran FA somewhere which will drastically affect these two picks. Had I taken a safety it would have been Chung. While there is a safety I really like and had I gone in another direction in the 2nd, PM me for who I'd have taken at SS but instead I will go with a Scout.com 4 star DT/DE recruit as I think this tier will last another round at safety. Along with Roy there is the decision on what to do with Canty and a huge hole at DE/DT to fill. As such, I see a player that can fill either need. With the salary cap available if they do let Roy and Canty go, there will be veterans available but this early I'll go with another upside pick that fills a need:Ricky Jean-Francois, DE, LSU Jr, 6-3, 280Not a true NT but he may bulk up over time. Ideally I see him as a high motor 3-4 DE who should step in immediately and contribute.

DL is a definite need with Canty and Tank likely moving on. I don't know much about the prospect, but he fits the profile.

 

[bcr8f]

I see scrump summarized my attitude well in last year's thread:

Excuse me if I choose not to do the cookie cutter style mock where my team falls in line picking based solely on needs from the top of their list down. I don't see the choice as odd at all. Maybe I can just see the big picture better than others.

Which is the same reason Ted Thompson gets called "arrogant" but I agree with this approach.

I don't see him as arrogant. He does ignore need for quality, but is hard to guess too. He was criticized for picking Harrell and they may be right there. He was also criticized for taking Jordy Nelson and James Jones too soon but I like those picks. He passed on Chad Jackson traded down and took greg Jennings. I like that one too.

 

[Blackjacks]

I'll take

1) A. Smith

2) W. Moore

3) D. Beckwith

for the Rams

If we had another pick we would probably look into a young quarterback like the Nate Davis from Ball State or Rhett Bomar from Sam Houston State

 

[bshipper]

3.06 - Bengals - Coye Francies, CB - San Jose St.

Can you name the Bengal's 3rd and 4th corners in 08? I doubt I could if I didn't live in Cinci. David Jones and Jamar Fletcher leave a great deal to be desired. This becomes even more apparent when one of your starting corners is out. Francies looked like the real deal during senior bowl week. If he doesn't fall on his face at the combine, I doubt he is still on the board at this spot. He should be able to add a spark to the return game right away, something the Bengals have lacked for years. Also thought about RB and LB, but I think Coye is a great value in the 3rd.

Right position, not sure about the right guy. He has some character issues that might be why he would fall. Could have gone with one of the local guys here instead. I definitely think this has to be someone with the potential to return kicks. It would have been nice to have Derrick Williams fall a few more picks.

 

[massraider]

3.07---The Raiders select Troy Kropog, OT, Tulane

Francis going at 3.06 made this a lot easier. He looks like a guy Al might love. Corner with great physical skills, bounced around a bit, maybe a bit under-noticed....

Kropog would be a nice fit here. He looks like a ZBS guy for sure, great speed and quickness for an OT, 4 year starter at LT, and light on his feet, with the ability to get to the second level and block on the move. Kropog can compete with Paul McQuistan to replace Cornell Green at RT, and may be a safety net if the young Mario Henderson doesn't work out at LT. This pick is partly need, partly what I think the Raiders could do, and partly what I want to do.

Something to keep in mind for you mockers out there: I think you can forget about an OT at 1.07 for the Raiders. I don't care if Crabtree is there or not. In the press conference announcing Cable as the coach, Al Davis mentioned that Kiffin wouldn't play Henderson, which Al referred to as "my pick". A lot of people talk about the Raiders taking a Jason Smith to replace Kwame....well, Kwame was replaced already by Henderson. And Al gushed about him (And Henderson did do a great job vs. Gaines Adams and Mario Williams). Right now, I think that Maclin, Orakpo, Everette, or even Raji are a lot more likely than a 1st round OT.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I see scrump summarized my attitude well in last year's thread:

Excuse me if I choose not to do the cookie cutter style mock where my team falls in line picking based solely on needs from the top of their list down. I don't see the choice as odd at all. Maybe I can just see the big picture better than others.

Which is the same reason Ted Thompson gets called "arrogant" but I agree with this approach.

I don't see him as arrogant. He does ignore need for quality, but is hard to guess too. He was criticized for picking Harrell and they may be right there. He was also criticized for taking Jordy Nelson and James Jones too soon but I like those picks. He passed on Chad Jackson traded down and took greg Jennings. I like that one too.

TT seems to do a pretty good job picking WR talent that fits for the Packers. Jennings, Jones, Nelson all look pretty decent to really good. It looks as if he whiffed completely on Harrell though. Taking a 1st rounder with dicey medical records is a serious gamble. I wouldn't doubt that's why some teams passed on Adrian Peterson a couple years ago.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

3.06 - Bengals - Coye Francies, CB - San Jose St.

Can you name the Bengal's 3rd and 4th corners in 08? I doubt I could if I didn't live in Cinci. David Jones and Jamar Fletcher leave a great deal to be desired. This becomes even more apparent when one of your starting corners is out. Francies looked like the real deal during senior bowl week. If he doesn't fall on his face at the combine, I doubt he is still on the board at this spot. He should be able to add a spark to the return game right away, something the Bengals have lacked for years. Also thought about RB and LB, but I think Coye is a great value in the 3rd.

Right position, not sure about the right guy. He has some character issues that might be why he would fall. Could have gone with one of the local guys here instead. I definitely think this has to be someone with the potential to return kicks. It would have been nice to have Derrick Williams fall a few more picks.

Looks like a good value pick. Scott Wright's scouting report would make me nervous if the Bungals are taking him. He was arrested in 2007 for possession of a loaded firearm and although the charges were dropped, he was kicked off the Oregon St. football team. That and under the weaknesses section Wright basically calls him stupid. Is the Bengals locker room going to be a healthy place for this kid?

 

[Wadsworth]

The Jacksonville Jaguars select:

Jairus Byrd, CB Oregon

Easy pick as I considered him in round 2. Byrd is one of the best cover 2 corner prospects in the draft. There's a SS and a couple of DTs I'd also love to pick up at this spot, but Byrd fills a need and is tops on my board.

 

[QuizGuy66]

3.06 - Bengals - Coye Francies, CB - San Jose St.

Can you name the Bengal's 3rd and 4th corners in 08? I doubt I could if I didn't live in Cinci. David Jones and Jamar Fletcher leave a great deal to be desired. This becomes even more apparent when one of your starting corners is out. Francies looked like the real deal during senior bowl week. If he doesn't fall on his face at the combine, I doubt he is still on the board at this spot. He should be able to add a spark to the return game right away, something the Bengals have lacked for years. Also thought about RB and LB, but I think Coye is a great value in the 3rd.

Right position, not sure about the right guy. He has some character issues that might be why he would fall. Could have gone with one of the local guys here instead. I definitely think this has to be someone with the potential to return kicks. It would have been nice to have Derrick Williams fall a few more picks.

Looks like a good value pick. Scott Wright's scouting report would make me nervous if the Bungals are taking him. He was arrested in 2007 for possession of a loaded firearm and although the charges were dropped, he was kicked off the Oregon St. football team. That and under the weaknesses section Wright basically calls him stupid. Is the Bengals locker room going to be a healthy place for this kid?

as healthy as the Giants or any other. -QG

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

3.09 - Packers - Jarron Gilbert, DT/DE - San Jose St.

Hey, a lineman! Some mock drafts already project Gilbert as a second-round pick for a 3-4 team. He sounds KGB-esque, and while I'd prefer that Gilbert become a legit starter, a long fast pass rush specialist is still a good find in the 3rd.

He was SDSU's team MVP this season and made a record # of tackles for loss. He will have to move to DE in the NFL because of his size.

nfldraftscout.com: "He's not going to be a run-stuffer inside, but his length and size could be a great fit for 3-4 teams looking for a starting defensive end in the third round."

National Football Post sez "he possesses the ideal length and power to play the 5-technique in the 3-4."

 

[Wadsworth]

3.09 - Packers - Jarron Gilbert, DT/DE - San Jose St.

Hey, a lineman! Some mock drafts already project Gilbert as a second-round pick for a 3-4 team. He sounds KGB-esque, and while I'd prefer that Gilbert become a legit starter, a long fast pass rush specialist is still a good find in the 3rd.

He was SDSU's team MVP this season and made a record # of tackles for loss. He will have to move to DE in the NFL because of his size.

nfldraftscout.com: "He's not going to be a run-stuffer inside, but his length and size could be a great fit for 3-4 teams looking for a starting defensive end in the third round."

National Football Post sez "he possesses the ideal length and power to play the 5-technique in the 3-4."

Top 3-4 DE prospect in the draft, nice pick.

 

[bcr8f]

3.09 - Packers - Jarron Gilbert, DT/DE - San Jose St.

Hey, a lineman! Some mock drafts already project Gilbert as a second-round pick for a 3-4 team. He sounds KGB-esque, and while I'd prefer that Gilbert become a legit starter, a long fast pass rush specialist is still a good find in the 3rd.

He was SDSU's team MVP this season and made a record # of tackles for loss. He will have to move to DE in the NFL because of his size.

nfldraftscout.com: "He's not going to be a run-stuffer inside, but his length and size could be a great fit for 3-4 teams looking for a starting defensive end in the third round."

National Football Post sez "he possesses the ideal length and power to play the 5-technique in the 3-4."

Top 3-4 DE prospect in the draft, nice pick.

I agree. We need some beef."Here is a guy I noticed when I was looking up stats and then did some more research. He plays DT and DE for the Spartans. With his frame he would be a very nice fit as a 5-tech in a 3-4. Gilbert has a nice first step and has a very good motor. The thing in watching his tape that really impressed was how well he used his hands. Often big guys can get away with not using their hands well becuase they can overpower their opponents but Jarron Gilbert does a great job of using his hands and has a nice repitoire of pass rush moves. He has nice closing speed. He does lack top end athletism but he is very strong and has a 635 squat. Gilbert has been productive throughout his career with 15TFL's and 9 sacks sn his Sphomore and Junior years. Jarron Gilbert from SDSU is a very intriguing prospect who may be one of the better 3-4 DE prospects in this draft class.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27782

 

[awesomeness]

with the 11th pick in the 3rd round the Buffalo Bills select: Kraig Urbik OG - Wisconsin.

Need: I would have really liked to have gotten a center here as that is really the Bills biggest need, but the only one who is graded highly is Jonathan Luigs. Luigs played poorly in the Senior Bowl, especially against large interior lineman, and looked better when playing guard as opposed to center. And considering that all 3 teams in the Bills division have 3-4 defenses, i don't see Luigs succeeding facing large interior lineman at least 6 times a season every year.

The Bills guards are decent, but lack depth and have question marks. Dockery has a big contract but played poorly in '08, being outplayed by 5th round pick Brad Butler at RG. But Butler has suffered injuries in the past. After Dockery and Butler there really is no guard on the Bills roster, besides Duke Preston who the Bills are forced to start at center, ugh. It would be great if the Bills could get Matt Birk in FA, or more likely bring in Jake Groves from Oakland.

Urbik: Urbik is a big boy with a mean streak at 6'6 320-330lbs. His major strength is run blocking, and he has experience in a power running scheme blocking for PJ Hill for the last couple of years. So he should be able to help the Bills in short yardage schenarios where they have struggled mightily. Urbik impressed in the Senior Bowl and was deemed very coachable, he should be able to help the Bills offensive line right away.

 

[Wadsworth]

I've learned a lot with doing this mock and I'll wait until it's over to post a full list of thing I found interesting. But one thing that stands out now is that there is still a lot of value on the board. I expect there be a drop off around the mid point of of the 3rd but right now I'd love to have an extra pick or two. There are guys still on the board that wouldn't shock me if they went in the top half of round 2.

 

[Rovers]

Need a moment...

 

[awesomeness]

I've learned a lot with doing this mock and I'll wait until it's over to post a full list of thing I found interesting. But one thing that stands out now is that there is still a lot of value on the board. I expect there be a drop off around the mid point of of the 3rd but right now I'd love to have an extra pick or two. There are guys still on the board that wouldn't shock me if they went in the top half of round 2.

My guess is most of if not all the players you are thinking of are defensive players. I can think of 1 DT and 1 CB who with a good combine could go early 2nd. Less so the DT.

 

[Rovers]

The NYJ select Herman Johnson, OG, LSU

Faneca isn't young, Moore at RG could even be a salary cap casualty, but Ryan needs a road grader, especially one to run behing in short yardage.

Enter Herman Johnson... the same guy who weighed in at the Senior Bowl at a whopping 382 pounds. At 6'7", with a 36" wing span and 12" hands, he can run over anyone even at the NFL level. The Jets need to address O line depth, and this beast of a man, the second highest ranked OG in the draft by most is the selection. On the two yard line, put this kid in there at RG and let the defense know the RB is running behind Johnson and Tony Richardson and go ahead and try to stop them from scoring.

Such big men have busted in the past, but the bet here is that HJ won't be one of them. He'll need some work on pass blocking before he could be a starter vs a situational short yardage OL, but even if he is limited to that role, it's a solid chance.

I would have liked an ILB suited for the 3-4 to drop, but that didn't happen. The left overs like McKillop just don't have enough potential to pass on Herman Johnson, not in this run oriented offense.

 

[Ariakis]

There's several interior lineman, a few safeties, a few DL that could easily have gone earlier.

 

[coolnerd]

Houston Texans select Derek Pegues FS Mississippi State

When I passed on this position in the 2nd round, Pegues was a player i was looking at as similiar in talent to Rashard Johnson. He has shown good instincts, but is a little undersized for the position. He has good range and may offer some ability in the return game if needed. There were several speedy LBs that I considered in this spot also.

 

[Wadsworth]

There's several interior lineman, a few safeties, a few DL that could easily have gone earlier.

There's one safety on the board I'd love in Jacksonville, a couple interior linemen with good value and a few DTs that I'd be thrilled with if they were on the board in the 4th round. And it's not that people drafting are making many mistakes, it just looks like there is solid value through at least the top half of round 3 and maybe beyond.

 

[coolnerd]

There's several interior lineman, a few safeties, a few DL that could easily have gone earlier.

There's one safety on the board I'd love in Jacksonville, a couple interior linemen with good value and a few DTs that I'd be thrilled with if they were on the board in the 4th round. And it's not that people drafting are making many mistakes, it just looks like there is solid value through at least the top half of round 3 and maybe beyond.

the overall though of this draft is that it has good depth of solid football players, just not the star power at the top. apeears teams that have/acquire picks in the 2nd/3rd/4th round could do nice for themselves.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

78 CHARGERS - Fili Moala - DT, USC

Jamaal Williams is getting up in age and they could use some depth along the line regardless. Moala had a solid year this year.

Other options are Cody Brown, DT - UConn, Jasper Brinkley, LB - South Carolina, or a running back like Javon Ringer, Rashad Jennings or Devin Moore.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Via PM

79 - Denver - Mike Mickens, CB Cincinnati

 

[pgreenfan]

Did I get skipped for San Diego because I went WR in the first?

 

[Rovers]

Did I get skipped for San Diego because I went WR in the first?

I don't think so... more likely because you didn't PM Andy with a pick and the draft waited for over 5 hours. Just a guess. Hey, I missed my first round pick too... just sayin. It does need to move along.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

3rd Round Pick 16 The Washington Redskins Select Andy Levitre Oregon St. G/C

I looked a good bit at DL, and still really didn't like them at this pick. With the Skins getting Gross they now add a young Guard to take the place of aging Pete Kendel or Randy Thomas.

Strengths

Levitre is tough and plays with a mean streak. His goal on every snap is to drive his man off the line and into the ground, and he does not quit until the whistle blows. He has a thick frame and displays the power to consistently control his man at the point of attack. Levitre also shows solid lateral agility as he has most of his experience on the outside as a tackle. That experience at tackle gives him a bit of versatility as he is most likely to move inside to guard at the next level. That ability to bounce outside in a pinch though is a nice trait to have.

Weaknesses

Levitre is only a marginal athlete, and that is why he is moving inside. He has decent feet in a short area but he is not going to get out on the move very often. He also is short and may have maximized his frame so there isn’t much room for growth at the next level.

Future

Levitre is not a major physical specimen but he shows some ability to move defenders off the line of scrimmage in the running game and create space for his backs. The tenacity he plays with, along with his strength and experience should allow him to make an impact early on in his NFL career. He could be a rookie starter despite not being selected until the third or fourth round.

 

[Kirby]

3.06 - Bengals - Coye Francies, CB - San Jose St.

Can you name the Bengal's 3rd and 4th corners in 08? I doubt I could if I didn't live in Cinci. David Jones and Jamar Fletcher leave a great deal to be desired. This becomes even more apparent when one of your starting corners is out. Francies looked like the real deal during senior bowl week. If he doesn't fall on his face at the combine, I doubt he is still on the board at this spot. He should be able to add a spark to the return game right away, something the Bengals have lacked for years. Also thought about RB and LB, but I think Coye is a great value in the 3rd.

Right position, not sure about the right guy. He has some character issues that might be why he would fall. Could have gone with one of the local guys here instead. I definitely think this has to be someone with the potential to return kicks. It would have been nice to have Derrick Williams fall a few more picks.

Looks like a good value pick. Scott Wright's scouting report would make me nervous if the Bungals are taking him. He was arrested in 2007 for possession of a loaded firearm and although the charges were dropped, he was kicked off the Oregon St. football team. That and under the weaknesses section Wright basically calls him stupid. Is the Bengals locker room going to be a healthy place for this kid?

the rest of the story.

 

[ChrisCooleyFan]

With the Skins getting Gross

That is what I put in for my 1st draft pick. That's why I took Jenkins. I'm just going along with my Mock, like a tool bag.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Did I get skipped for San Diego because I went WR in the first?

Sorry, GB. Your PM box is full.I'd like for this thing to end soon so I'm trying to move it along.

 

[Kirby]

Did I get skipped for San Diego because I went WR in the first?

Sorry, GB. Your PM box is full.I'd like for this thing to end soon so I'm trying to move it along.

4 rounds!

 

[Buffaloes]

Via PM79 - Denver - Mike Mickens, CB Cincinnati

I had it narrowed to Mickens or USC DT Fili Moala. Denver' starting corners (Champ Bailey and Dre Bly) are on the wrong side of 30 and nickelback Karl Paymah is due to hit a free agency this offseason. Mickens is a playmaker who was a 4 year starter for the Bearcats. He's a ball hawk who can stand to add a little weight. But with Denver having second-year guys Jack Williams and Josh Bell (an undrafted free agent) behind Bailey and Bly, it would be wise to invest in another corner if a guy like Mickens is available in round 3. ETA: Thanks for making the pick for me Andy.That would give Denver USC MLB Rey Maualuga, Boston College DT Ron Brace and Cincinnati CB Mike Mickens through 3 rounds.

 

[bcr8f]

3rd Round Pick 16 The Washington Redskins Select Andy Levitre Oregon St. G/C

Nice pick. I was hoping he'd last.