Domination
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I don't think that the Skins will have the money to match the other teams that will be going after him.
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Shark Pool Mock Draft - V1.0. (1 Viewer)
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TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Just an FYI...Wu-Banger hasn't been on in 2 days...he's the Bucs designee
bcr8f
Footballguy
Can someone else pick for him?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
81. BUCCANEERS - Javon Ringer, RB - Michigan State
Warrick Dunn is nearly done
and Cadillac is injured again. Earnest Graham isn't signed for much money and isn't real flashy but is a mudder that just needs a complimentary back. Bring in the Ringer.
Ringer may not be the biggest guy, but then neither was Steve Slaton. All he did last year was produce for the Spartans.
The Bucs could use a DT here, but none are worth a 3rd, from what I can see.
Warrick Dunn is nearly done
and Cadillac is injured again. Earnest Graham isn't signed for much money and isn't real flashy but is a mudder that just needs a complimentary back. Bring in the Ringer.Ringer may not be the biggest guy, but then neither was Steve Slaton. All he did last year was produce for the Spartans.
The Bucs could use a DT here, but none are worth a 3rd, from what I can see.
That seems about right for Tampa. Ringer was very productive, but I wonder, much like Mike Hart a year ago, how much of that system inflated and due to the Big Ten being having a lot of pushover teams this past season.81. BUCCANEERS - Javon Ringer, RB - Michigan StateWarrick Dunn is nearly doneand Cadillac is injured again. Earnest Graham isn't signed for much money and isn't real flashy but is a mudder that just needs a complimentary back. Bring in the Ringer.Ringer may not be the biggest guy, but then neither was Steve Slaton. All he did last year was produce for the Spartans.The Bucs could use a DT here, but none are worth a 3rd, from what I can see.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Possibly. But Ringer is a much better runner than Mike Hart. He kind of reminds me of MJD. A lot of people compare him to Warrick Dunn.That seems about right for Tampa. Ringer was very productive, but I wonder, much like Mike Hart a year ago, how much of that system inflated and due to the Big Ten being having a lot of pushover teams this past season.81. BUCCANEERS - Javon Ringer, RB - Michigan StateWarrick Dunn is nearly done
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Earlier in this draft though, TB selected Beanie Wells...81. BUCCANEERS - Javon Ringer, RB - Michigan StateWarrick Dunn is nearly doneand Cadillac is injured again. Earnest Graham isn't signed for much money and isn't real flashy but is a mudder that just needs a complimentary back. Bring in the Ringer.Ringer may not be the biggest guy, but then neither was Steve Slaton. All he did last year was produce for the Spartans.The Bucs could use a DT here, but none are worth a 3rd, from what I can see.
With 82nd pick of the draft the Detroit Lions select:
Trevor Canfield OG Cincinnati
Finally addressing the O-line, I think Canfield is an interesting prospect, he has late 1st round early 2nd round talent, but has a bit of a history of off field problems.
Canfield is a very good run blocker, and can still add weight to his 6-5 305 frame. He also is very durable having started 39 consecutive games for the Bearcats.
This leaves the Lions O-line starters(I'm predicting) at:
Backus, a decent(though overpayed) left tackle
Canfield, rookie with a lot of upside
Raiola, a very underrated center, I'd argue among the top-10 in the league
Peterman, a decent run blocker
Chelirus, last year's 1st rounder who has upside
I don't think that is near as bad as many are making it out to be, especially if Chelirus can live up to his 1st round status.
Trevor Canfield OG Cincinnati
Finally addressing the O-line, I think Canfield is an interesting prospect, he has late 1st round early 2nd round talent, but has a bit of a history of off field problems.
Canfield is a very good run blocker, and can still add weight to his 6-5 305 frame. He also is very durable having started 39 consecutive games for the Bearcats.
This leaves the Lions O-line starters(I'm predicting) at:
Backus, a decent(though overpayed) left tackle
Canfield, rookie with a lot of upside
Raiola, a very underrated center, I'd argue among the top-10 in the league
Peterman, a decent run blocker
Chelirus, last year's 1st rounder who has upside
I don't think that is near as bad as many are making it out to be, especially if Chelirus can live up to his 1st round status.
Rovers
Footballguy
When I took Herman Johnson for the Jets, I thought long and hard about going with Levitre instead. I went with HJ mostly because I think he can step in as a short yardage OG right away and make an impact. The Jets' need for some size up front and that trumped Levitre's versatility at least for the Jets with what I think will be an offense heavilly dependent on the running game.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Hrmmm.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
DenverBuc
Footballguy
I agree that the Bucs will probably pursue a DT pretty early. My only qualms with this so far for the Bucs is that I don't think they would go with Beanie Wells due to injury / durability risk. They may be gun-shy on that kind of thing because of the whole Caddilac mess.I think they look at McCoy there instead...Andy Dufresne said:
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Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
I just realized Jamon Meredith was taken in the 2nd. Rats. Give me a few minutes.
Whiplash Inc.
Footballguy
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Wow. Good insider stuff here. Any chance Al falls in love with Crabtree and tries to make a move up in the 1st?
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
With the 16th pick of the 3rd round, the Green Bay Packers select:
Fenuki Tupou, OL, Oregon
Run blocking was a problem for the Packers in many games last year, but Aaron Rodgers also absorbed 34 sacks. That's a lot for a scramble-y QB playing in a quick-read offense. So while the Packers will continue to look for guys suited to their zone-blocking scheme in this draft (like Jamon Meredith), they may also want to install some pass-blocking size.
Enter the 6'5", 330 lbs. Tupou. Even if he only ends up playing guard, he will add raw power to a line that has none. He could contribute in 3rd-and-long and goal line blocking situations right away.
National Football Post sez "A smooth-footed tackle with good balance and power in pass protection. Might be a right-side player only but has the quickness to handle the edge."
fftoolbox.com sez "Tupou is a massive lineman who is tough and physical. He has great balance for such a wide body, with good anchor ability. His feet stick to the ground and he has some flexibility. Tupou is a good pass protector who knows his assignments, but he lacks speed (5.26)."
Fenuki Tupou, OL, Oregon
Run blocking was a problem for the Packers in many games last year, but Aaron Rodgers also absorbed 34 sacks. That's a lot for a scramble-y QB playing in a quick-read offense. So while the Packers will continue to look for guys suited to their zone-blocking scheme in this draft (like Jamon Meredith), they may also want to install some pass-blocking size.
Enter the 6'5", 330 lbs. Tupou. Even if he only ends up playing guard, he will add raw power to a line that has none. He could contribute in 3rd-and-long and goal line blocking situations right away.
National Football Post sez "A smooth-footed tackle with good balance and power in pass protection. Might be a right-side player only but has the quickness to handle the edge."
fftoolbox.com sez "Tupou is a massive lineman who is tough and physical. He has great balance for such a wide body, with good anchor ability. His feet stick to the ground and he has some flexibility. Tupou is a good pass protector who knows his assignments, but he lacks speed (5.26)."
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bcr8f
Footballguy
I like picking a lineman, but am not sure about this one. Are they abandoning the zone system? I have heard some talk about this and it may be a good idea.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
How do you abandon it if everyone on the roster was chosen to play it?
Well - I'm sure it could be done. I don't expect a change with all of the offensive coaches back, but I'm sure they've discussed it and we'll know more after they've added more linemen through the draft and/or FA.
Well - I'm sure it could be done. I don't expect a change with all of the offensive coaches back, but I'm sure they've discussed it and we'll know more after they've added more linemen through the draft and/or FA.
bcr8f
Footballguy
There was talk with frozen fields linemen movement was a problem but they are already changing the defense maybe they'll stay with the zone.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Guys, go ahead and pick for me. I didn't know we were doing a 3rd round and I have not been following at all. Couple that with the fact I'm currently in a training class and, well, you understand.
Thanks for pm'ing me to let me know Dirty Word. I get email alerts and that's the only reason I knew I was up.
Bears needs: OL, WR, DE.
Thanks for pm'ing me to let me know Dirty Word. I get email alerts and that's the only reason I knew I was up.
Bears needs: OL, WR, DE.
Wu-banger
Footballguy
damn........ noone ever pm'ed me ..!!!!Earlier in this draft though, TB selected Beanie Wells...Andy Dufresne said:81. BUCCANEERS - Javon Ringer, RB - Michigan StateWarrick Dunn is nearly done
now you draft a RB .. 
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Was switched to Vance Walker...damn........ noone ever pm'ed me ..!!!!Earlier in this draft though, TB selected Beanie Wells...Andy Dufresne said:81. BUCCANEERS - Javon Ringer, RB - Michigan StateWarrick Dunn is nearly done
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Wu-banger
Footballguy
sorry .. didnt see the change to DT ... better.
In the hindsight of this draft it with Freeman lasting later in the 2nd I would have gone DT (most likely Jerry or Jackson)instead of Wells.That would fit another need as well as give us a young QB... the 3rd round is where they could grab a RB ...but defintely NOT Ringer.
hindsight is 20/20 as i didnt see Freeman lasting to the 2nd round Bucs pick.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
If I'm choosing for Chicago, I would be looking at two Georgia kids...
Mohammed Massaquoi (WR) or Asher Allen (CB).
Mohammed Massaquoi (WR) or Asher Allen (CB).
Allen makes a lot of sense to me since it seems 50-50 that Vasher will be back.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I can go with that. Cody Brown DE/LB UConn, was another guy I was thinking of.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Chicago - Asher Allen, CB, Georgia
eric rymer
Footballguy
I know I've been done for some time, but I've tried to keep up. I gotta say I've learned alot about some players that I was unfamiliar with. Great mock Andy and fellow drafters. I am really looking forward to doing a post-combine version hopefully that will allow some trades. 
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
@ #85 The Philadelphia Eagles select: Ramses Barden, WR Cal-Poly
If this was a four round mock I may have waited on this kid but since it isnt, I didnt. Ramses Barden checks in at 6'6" 227 lbs, has huge hands and long arms and will be a great red zone threat for the birds (something they clearly lack).
A few notes on Barden:
If this was a four round mock I may have waited on this kid but since it isnt, I didnt. Ramses Barden checks in at 6'6" 227 lbs, has huge hands and long arms and will be a great red zone threat for the birds (something they clearly lack).
A few notes on Barden:
--NFL Draft Scout
-- Pat Kirwan - NFL.com
Buffaloes
Footballguy
The write-ups on him and his size remind me of another 4th rounder from a few years back Brandon Marshall.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
I believe Miami then Baltimore are next.
I have the Ravens covered.
I have the Ravens covered.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Excellent value in the 3rd, I must say.
=Smackdown=
Footballguy
With the 87th pick the Miami Dolphins select:
Sammie Lee Hill, DT, Stillman
Raw and unproven - but how many 340 lbs. guys run sub 5.0 forties.
Sammie Lee Hill, DT, Stillman
Raw and unproven - but how many 340 lbs. guys run sub 5.0 forties.
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
With the 88th pick in the 2009 NFL Draft, the Baltimore Ravens select:
Cody Brown, DE, UCONN
This makes sense on many levels, but especially if Terrell "T-Sizzle" Suggs doesn't return.
Cody Brown, DE, UCONN
This makes sense on many levels, but especially if Terrell "T-Sizzle" Suggs doesn't return.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
With the 89th pick the New England Patriots select: Alex Magee, DT, Purdue
With both Richard Seymour and Jarvis Green becoming FA's after 2009, chances are NE will not resign both. BB knows the importance of his front 3 in his defense which is why he's spent 3 first round draft picks on his 3 starters. Jarvis Green may not be resigned and the Pats would nab Magee to move to a DE position. Magee has played both DT and DE so he could possibly be a versatile backup to all 3 starters on the Pat's DL. Maybe somewhat of a reach here but I know BB likes to be ahead of the game somewhat when drafting (likes to draft guys a year before the position need arises), and I also know NE has already shown interest in Magee at the Senior Bowl and beyond.
With both Richard Seymour and Jarvis Green becoming FA's after 2009, chances are NE will not resign both. BB knows the importance of his front 3 in his defense which is why he's spent 3 first round draft picks on his 3 starters. Jarvis Green may not be resigned and the Pats would nab Magee to move to a DE position. Magee has played both DT and DE so he could possibly be a versatile backup to all 3 starters on the Pat's DL. Maybe somewhat of a reach here but I know BB likes to be ahead of the game somewhat when drafting (likes to draft guys a year before the position need arises), and I also know NE has already shown interest in Magee at the Senior Bowl and beyond.
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TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
With the 90th pick in the NFL Draft, the Atlanta Falcons select Jonathan Luigs; C - Arkansas
Todd McClure is a cagey vet, but he's got some decent milage on him and it would be a good idea for the Falcons to develop an heir to the position. While McClure is signed through 2011 rather cheaply too, Luigs provides an insurance policy in case oif a decline in performance or injury to McClure, not to mention depth at OG. The C back-ups for Atlanta in 2008 were Ben Wilkerson (RFA) and Alex Stepanovich (signed through 2009), two fairly non-descript players.
Todd McClure is a cagey vet, but he's got some decent milage on him and it would be a good idea for the Falcons to develop an heir to the position. While McClure is signed through 2011 rather cheaply too, Luigs provides an insurance policy in case oif a decline in performance or injury to McClure, not to mention depth at OG. The C back-ups for Atlanta in 2008 were Ben Wilkerson (RFA) and Alex Stepanovich (signed through 2009), two fairly non-descript players.
Domination
Footballguy
I don't think any of the Eagles picks have been bad. But they are more of what the fans want, than what they will most likely do. The Eagles have always built from the inside, and I don't think that there is any way that they walk out of the 3rd rd with 1 lineman and 3 skill players. I believe this is very wishful thinking on your part, but as I said, I didn't have a problem with any of your picks. I fully expect to see multiple lineman, offense or defense with the early picks.
FunkyPlutos
Footballguy
Andy, you know I wanted him in the 2nd...getting him in the third is gold!Excellent value in the 3rd, I must say.
RC94
Footballguy
With the 91st pick, the New York Giants select Carey Harris, CB - USC
According to Scouts he is the best player available regardless of position, which is a strategy I think the Giants will follow in this draft and a strategy that I would follow if I was GM. The team is set at the top 3 CB positions with Ross, Webster and Thomas, but depth is needed and in this day and age, teams need 3 starters plus quality depth at CB anyway. Madison and Knight have already been cut, Dockery is a free agent who might be re-signed and Butler may also be gone so there is turnover at the defensive back positions with 2 CBs and 2 Safety's possibly on the way out.
According to Scouts he is the best player available regardless of position, which is a strategy I think the Giants will follow in this draft and a strategy that I would follow if I was GM. The team is set at the top 3 CB positions with Ross, Webster and Thomas, but depth is needed and in this day and age, teams need 3 starters plus quality depth at CB anyway. Madison and Knight have already been cut, Dockery is a free agent who might be re-signed and Butler may also be gone so there is turnover at the defensive back positions with 2 CBs and 2 Safety's possibly on the way out.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
This would be a dream scenario for the Vikes. Find a one year stopgap at QB (Garcia?) and groom Davis for year two? Perfect.Andy, you know I wanted him in the 2nd...getting him in the third is gold!Excellent value in the 3rd, I must say.
bcr8f
Footballguy
Andy what happened to Booty?This would be a dream scenario for the Vikes. Find a one year stopgap at QB (Garcia?) and groom Davis for year two? Perfect.Andy, you know I wanted him in the 2nd...getting him in the third is gold!Excellent value in the 3rd, I must say.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
I don't know if anyone owned the Panthers since they didn't have a 1st...
If it were me picking for them, I menioned him earlier as a possibility but Mohammed Massaquoi makes alot of sense here.
Steve Smith is their constant. But Muhammad will be 36 next year so he's most definitely year-to-year. Jarrett has been a big bust but he'll probably get another year. But reports have the Panthers parting ways with D.J. Hackett. So the cupboard is pretty bare here at the WR position.
JMO
If it were me picking for them, I menioned him earlier as a possibility but Mohammed Massaquoi makes alot of sense here.
Steve Smith is their constant. But Muhammad will be 36 next year so he's most definitely year-to-year. Jarrett has been a big bust but he'll probably get another year. But reports have the Panthers parting ways with D.J. Hackett. So the cupboard is pretty bare here at the WR position.
JMO
bcr8f
Footballguy
Someone picked Iglesias in the 2nd round. Maybe it was Andy.I don't know if anyone owned the Panthers since they didn't have a 1st...
If it were me picking for them, I menioned him earlier as a possibility but Mohammed Massaquoi makes alot of sense here.
Steve Smith is their constant. But Muhammad will be 36 next year so he's most definitely year-to-year. Jarrett has been a big bust but he'll probably get another year. But reports have the Panthers parting ways with D.J. Hackett. So the cupboard is pretty bare here at the WR position.
JMO
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Didn't see that, but given how bare the cupboard is at this position, going WR/WR is still plausible.Someone picked Iglesias in the 2nd round. Maybe it was Andy.I don't know if anyone owned the Panthers since they didn't have a 1st...
If it were me picking for them, I menioned him earlier as a possibility but Mohammed Massaquoi makes alot of sense here.
Steve Smith is their constant. But Muhammad will be 36 next year so he's most definitely year-to-year. Jarrett has been a big bust but he'll probably get another year. But reports have the Panthers parting ways with D.J. Hackett. So the cupboard is pretty bare here at the WR position.
JMO
