Shaub and Palmer (1 Viewer)

[Klimtology]

TIA

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Palmer - yes

Schaub - Id hold and start him

 

[Resident A]

Palmer just had his best game, I highly doubt he approaches even 3 TDs, let alone 4 again this season. If you can trade him, do it.

You'd have to pry Schaub from my cold dead hands if you want him.

 

[drcrappants]

agreed with schaub. and people benched him

bein a palmer owner in a 12 teamer, i doubt anyone would want him from me.

what would you be targeting in a sell high from palmer though?

 

[Routilla]

They were both buy low candidates last week. Now, not so much.

 

[FUBAR]

agreed with schaub. and people benched him bein a palmer owner in a 12 teamer, i doubt anyone would want him from me.what would you be targeting in a sell high from palmer though?

I benched Schaub for Garrard this past week. Titans fan and I bought into the Garrard thread. Hurt twice as much when he beat my team, but at least my FF team still won anyway. I won't be benching a healthy Schaub again.

 

[otis68]

I suggest you look at Palmer's week 12-16 schedule, and think about when you want to pick him up.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Palmer just had his best game, I highly doubt he approaches even 3 TDs, let alone 4 again this season. If you can trade him, do it.You'd have to pry Schaub from my cold dead hands if you want him.

Totally agree on Schaub. But now way in he** did Palmer just have his best game. He did in on 185 yds. passing. If your system scores 1pt/30yds he had pretty much the same day as having gone 300/2. The thing with Palmer is that, with the defense playing well - it's killing all Bengals from a fantasy perspective. He's averaging 26 pass attempts per week. Mostly because they've been able to play from ahead vs. the Broncos and Packers. With 3 of the Bengals next 4 opponents being Pittsburgh, Baltimore and Houston - I think we're about to see a healthy uptick from Cincy's passing game out of sheer necessity alone.

 

[Chunky Soup]

I suggest you look at Palmer's week 12-16 schedule, and think about when you want to pick him up.

If he makes it through the first 2/3 of his schedule, he'll be a nice QB to have.

 

[Chaka]

Every player in the NFL who is performing well should be sold high.

Every player in the NFL who is performing poorly should be bought low.

YWIA

 

[FantasyTrader]

Every player in the NFL who is performing well should be sold high.Every player in the NFL who is performing poorly should be bought low.YWIA

Huh? I sure hope that's an attempt at a joke.

 

[Bayhawks]

Palmer just had his best game, I highly doubt he approaches even 3 TDs, let alone 4 again this season. If you can trade him, do it.

WHY? 1-Green Bay is not a bad defense, and Cincy's offense looked pretty good against them. Over 150 yards rushing, decent success passing the ball.

2-Palmer has the ability (proven by multiple 4000 yard seasons), and he has the receivers.

3-It appears that he'll have a decent rushing attack to allow for more room in the passing game, not to mention making play-action more effective.

4-They play Pittsburgh and Baltimore 2 times, BUT they play Pittsburgh without Polamalu, and they are not the same dominating defense without him. Baltimore has not been the killer defense (so far) that everyone expected, so 3 of those 4 matchups might be easier than expected.

5-Cincy, while appearing to be a better team this year, will still likely be playing from behind often this year, thereby creating more passing opportunities.

 

[drcrappants]

gb was actually a very bad defense. nick collins left the game too. and bunches of missed tackles on the run game.

can bengals oline match up with steelers dline? i say no, but i cant sell palmer for anything anyways.

 

[Cenobite]

Palmer just had his best game, I highly doubt he approaches even 3 TDs, let alone 4 again this season. If you can trade him, do it.

WHY? 1-Green Bay is not a bad defense, and Cincy's offense looked pretty good against them. Over 150 yards rushing, decent success passing the ball.

2-Palmer has the ability (proven by multiple 4000 yard seasons), and he has the receivers.

3-It appears that he'll have a decent rushing attack to allow for more room in the passing game, not to mention making play-action more effective.

4-They play Pittsburgh and Baltimore 2 times, BUT they play Pittsburgh without Polamalu, and they are not the same dominating defense without him. Baltimore has not been the killer defense (so far) that everyone expected, so 3 of those 4 matchups might be easier than expected.

5-Cincy, while appearing to be a better team this year, will still likely be playing from behind often this year, thereby creating more passing opportunities.

After 2 weeks Palmer is everything and more than I expected. No one can say that Palmer has had his best game after a total of 2 weeks. The jury is still out on Palmer and we cannot truly assess his FF ranking until at least week 6 ot 7. That said, if I were hurting for a QB I would try to get Palmer as he has the receivers and history of playing at an elite level. The upside cannot be denied.

 

[Knobs]

Schaub is on my bench behind Brees...and I'm actually contemplating trading away Drew as I think Schaub will be a stud as well but people don't view him as highly as I do.

I don't know why you would sell him.

 

[Chaka]

Every player in the NFL who is performing well should be sold high.Every player in the NFL who is performing poorly should be bought low.YWIA

Huh? I sure hope that's an attempt at a joke.

Nope. It seems that every time a player has a big game or a bad game he is instantly a candidate for buy low or sell high in the Shark Pool.Of course you shouldn't expect 4TDs from Palmer each week but you shouldn't expect it from Schaub either.It's only been two weeks, if the players you drafted are performing well then keep them.I think forcing trades before the end of week four is silly. You simply don't have enough data about the player or the opposing defenses they will be facing. If you wait a few games you can determine if there is truly a soft stretch of games coming up that perhaps did not appear to be soft predraft (and vice versa).There is a ton of reactionary behavior going on in here and I find it silly.

 

[rrhartjr]

4-They play Pittsburgh and Baltimore 2 times, BUT they play Pittsburgh without Polamalu, and they are not the same dominating defense without him. Baltimore has not been the killer defense (so far) that everyone expected, so 3 of those 4 matchups might be easier than expected.

As mentioned above, the WK12-16 schedule looks fantastic (CLE, DET, @MIN, @SD, KC), if you can survive in the AFC North until then (2xBAL, 2xPIT)Week 2 sample size caveats apply, but neither BAL or PIT have great pass defenses so far.PIT: Polamalu out, 19th in passing YPGBAL: 29th in passing YPGI think he's a good buy low, especially if you have another borderline QB1 to platoon with.

 

[Knobs]

If you felt Palmer would finish as the #8 qb but right now you could get higher value right now, then it wouldn't be an overreaction to trade him away.

If anything, it would be a shark move.

 

[Bayhawks]

I suggest you look at Palmer's week 12-16 schedule, and think about when you want to pick him up.

OK-let's do that.week 14 @ Minweek 15 @ SDweek 16 @ KCweek 17 @ NYJThe only game that would "worry" me is against the NYJ. Minny has allowed the 8th fewest fantasy points to QB, SD has allowed the 11th fewest, KC has allowed the 17th fewest, and NYJ have allowed the 2nd fewest. But (keeping in mind that 2 games is a ridiculously small sample size), you have to look past that stat. Minny played against Brady Quinn & Matt Stafford, SD played against Jamarcus Russell and Joe Flacco, KC played Flacco and Russell, and the Jets played against Schaub and Brady. I'm not real impressed that Minny kept Quinn (and the Cle offense) and a rookie from doing well. I'm not real impressed that the Chargers held Russell and Flacco in check. Palmer is a better QB than those guys. The Jets stopped Schaub and Brady-that matchup would worry me.

 

[FantasyTrader]

Every player in the NFL who is performing well should be sold high.Every player in the NFL who is performing poorly should be bought low.YWIA

Huh? I sure hope that's an attempt at a joke.

Nope. It seems that every time a player has a big game or a bad game he is instantly a candidate for buy low or sell high in the Shark Pool.Of course you shouldn't expect 4TDs from Palmer each week but you shouldn't expect it from Schaub either.It's only been two weeks, if the players you drafted are performing well then keep them.I think forcing trades before the end of week four is silly. You simply don't have enough data about the player or the opposing defenses they will be facing. If you wait a few games you can determine if there is truly a soft stretch of games coming up that perhaps did not appear to be soft predraft (and vice versa).There is a ton of reactionary behavior going on in here and I find it silly.

Okay, I completely agree with all of that. I think I misinterpreted your initial comment.

 

[Arnold. S]

sell high? No way on both. I'd buy low on Palmer.

 

[SKribbles]

Just sold Palmer

 

[Chaka]

If you felt Palmer would finish as the #8 qb but right now you could get higher value right now, then it wouldn't be an overreaction to trade him away. If anything, it would be a shark move.

Trading for a player who performs at a level above the player you are getting rid of is a good move.But how does that scenario unfold? If the player you are trading for is already performing at a higher level then the guy you are getting rid of you will have to pay a higher premium. So your best bet is to trade for a player that is not performing above the level of the guy you are dishing (e.g. Steve Slaton). So then you have to assume the risk that the acquired player will rebound and the guy you dish will fall off. Those are a lot of variables to count on and with limited data (only two games) you only increase the number of variables particularly along the lines of strength of schedule. For example Palmer's SOS in weeks 12-16 looks very nice but are we certain that the Oakland or SD or Det defenses will be a good matchups or that Minnesota will be a bad one at this point? I am not confident in that at all. Baltimore and Pittsburgh are playing well below expectations, does anyone want to bank on that trend to continue after only two games have been played?Sure you can take the moonshot now and it might pay off, but after two weeks it is a much bigger risk than it will be after four weeks. All I am saying is give yourself some time to figure out what is actually going on before bailing on a player who is performing at least up to your expectations (and probably exceeding them).

 

[3nOut]

Schaub is on my bench behind Brees...and I'm actually contemplating trading away Drew as I think Schaub will be a stud as well but people don't view him as highly as I do.

I don't know why you would sell him.

You'd sell him to get an upgrade at the QB position. You could possibly make a move to get Manning, Brady, or Brees. With last week's performance, you could package Schaub and a RB or WR (if you have the depth) to a team that has little or no depth at other positions. Or in a case like your, you could sell Schaub for an upgrade at another position.

I don't know why you would sell Brees.

 

[Maven]

Someone explain the sell high on Palmer???????????? Isn't this the usual Palmer we're use to seeing..?

 

[Chaka]

Someone explain the sell high on Palmer???????????? Isn't this the usual Palmer we're use to seeing..?

But...but...you can sell him high.

 

[Hedgehog]

Boy it is truly what have you done for me lately - it wasnt that long ago that Palmr was considered a top 3 QB right behind Peyton and Brady. I have no doubt that he has the talent to finish top 5 - get him while you can....

 

[MAC_32]

These two and Hasselbeck were my preseason targets, all health risks, all have top 5 upside. I ended up with two of these three and McNabb in all of my leagues, I'm holding steady...except for the league in which I have both Hass and McNabb. I traded for Big Ben in that league, a guy I think I incorrectly ignored during draft season, I'm glad I was able to get him before his value gets too high as I see a lot of passing from Pittsburgh this year.

 

[Johnny Ice]

Every player in the NFL who is performing well should be sold high.

Every player in the NFL who is performing poorly should be bought low.

YWIA

Huh? I sure hope that's an attempt at a joke.

Nope. It seems that every time a player has a big game or a bad game he is instantly a candidate for buy low or sell high in the Shark Pool.Of course you shouldn't expect 4TDs from Palmer each week but you shouldn't expect it from Schaub either.

It's only been two weeks, if the players you drafted are performing well then keep them.

I think forcing trades before the end of week four is silly. You simply don't have enough data about the player or the opposing defenses they will be facing. If you wait a few games you can determine if there is truly a soft stretch of games coming up that perhaps did not appear to be soft predraft (and vice versa).

There is a ton of reactionary behavior going on in here and I find it silly.

:( Just like I said in another thread, it's all week to week in the Shark Pool.

 

[Resident A]

I offered Schaub & Felix for Brees (owner also has MBIII and no depth at RB). He laughed.

Brees is the only QB I'd deal Schaub for right now. But it looks like it'd take Schaub plus a proven stud.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I suggest you look at Palmer's week 12-16 schedule, and think about when you want to pick him up.

OK-let's do that.week 14 @ Minweek 15 @ SDweek 16 @ KCweek 17 @ NYJThe only game that would "worry" me is against the NYJ. Minny has allowed the 8th fewest fantasy points to QB, SD has allowed the 11th fewest, KC has allowed the 17th fewest, and NYJ have allowed the 2nd fewest. But (keeping in mind that 2 games is a ridiculously small sample size), you have to look past that stat. Minny played against Brady Quinn & Matt Stafford, SD played against Jamarcus Russell and Joe Flacco, KC played Flacco and Russell, and the Jets played against Schaub and Brady. I'm not real impressed that Minny kept Quinn (and the Cle offense) and a rookie from doing well. I'm not real impressed that the Chargers held Russell and Flacco in check. Palmer is a better QB than those guys. The Jets stopped Schaub and Brady-that matchup would worry me.

Most leagues are finished before Week 17 though. Yes if you do play a Week 17 championship that may not be a great matchup - further since its going to be played in January the wind and weather could be real bad - but most leagues end at Week 16.

 

[two_dollars]

People really benched Schaub last week? I rolled him out with confidence! (well, kinda.. McNabb is my other QB so I really had no choice)

 

[Knobs]

If you felt Palmer would finish as the #8 qb but right now you could get higher value right now, then it wouldn't be an overreaction to trade him away.

If anything, it would be a shark move.

Trading for a player who performs at a level above the player you are getting rid of is a good move.But how does that scenario unfold? If the player you are trading for is already performing at a higher level then the guy you are getting rid of you will have to pay a higher premium.

So your best bet is to trade for a player that is not performing above the level of the guy you are dishing (e.g. Steve Slaton). So then you have to assume the risk that the acquired player will rebound and the guy you dish will fall off. Those are a lot of variables to count on and with limited data (only two games) you only increase the number of variables particularly along the lines of strength of schedule.

For example Palmer's SOS in weeks 12-16 looks very nice but are we certain that the Oakland or SD or Det defenses will be a good matchups or that Minnesota will be a bad one at this point? I am not confident in that at all. Baltimore and Pittsburgh are playing well below expectations, does anyone want to bank on that trend to continue after only two games have been played?

Sure you can take the moonshot now and it might pay off, but after two weeks it is a much bigger risk than it will be after four weeks. All I am saying is give yourself some time to figure out what is actually going on before bailing on a player who is performing at least up to your expectations (and probably exceeding them).

Like with any trade, it SHOULD depend on how you and others value the perspective players. You shouldn't FORCE a sell off of Palmer/Schaub but I think it's actually a great idea to shop them.

As one of the staffers has shown (Maurile? Dodds?), after two weeks of the season, it's still a good idea to stick with your preseason rankings rather than buy into early trends.

If you had Palmer/Schaub ranked in the top five to start off the year then I don't see why you would shop them. However, if you had those guys ranked lower then I think it's a tad premature to suddenly toss your rankings out the window and think they're insta-studs.

If someone else is jumping on the bandwagon and you can either get another qb you had ranked significantly higher but is faltering or you can upgrade another position, you need to explore those options and take advantage of it while you can.

Coming in here and laughing at everyone for panicking is pointless and serves little to no purpose. Certainly, there are folk who overreact to anything and everything.

But there are plenty of others who see a player that is perhaps currently valued in tier 1 and we're trying to figure out if they'll finish at their current spot or if they'll actually finish in tier 2 (where they were originally ranked), and would thus be better served shopping them while their perceived value is higher than their actual value.

Personally, I had Schaub ranked in the top 5 but will shop him because I own Brees. I did not have Palmer sniffing the top 5 and was barely in the top 10 - I didn't trust his arm or that o-line. I still don't. As such, I would shop him HARD and hope someone else sees what has he done thus far and offer me more than I believe they should.

With any trade, you run the risk of ending up on the wrong side of things. But you shouldn't be afraid of trading away a guy who can net you more than you believe he should simply due to the fear of possibly being wrong.

 

[Coboney]

Sell high on Palmer....

I watched him and when he was pushed out of the pocket by a rush he wasn't at all comfortable and looked very bad. In addition Palmer could hand off to Cedreck Benson on any play and count the yards and the Green Bay Defense had to account for the gashing they were getting by Benson.

Hold on Schaub.

 

[Chaka]

If you felt Palmer would finish as the #8 qb but right now you could get higher value right now, then it wouldn't be an overreaction to trade him away.

If anything, it would be a shark move.

Trading for a player who performs at a level above the player you are getting rid of is a good move.But how does that scenario unfold? If the player you are trading for is already performing at a higher level then the guy you are getting rid of you will have to pay a higher premium.

So your best bet is to trade for a player that is not performing above the level of the guy you are dishing (e.g. Steve Slaton). So then you have to assume the risk that the acquired player will rebound and the guy you dish will fall off. Those are a lot of variables to count on and with limited data (only two games) you only increase the number of variables particularly along the lines of strength of schedule.

For example Palmer's SOS in weeks 12-16 looks very nice but are we certain that the Oakland or SD or Det defenses will be a good matchups or that Minnesota will be a bad one at this point? I am not confident in that at all. Baltimore and Pittsburgh are playing well below expectations, does anyone want to bank on that trend to continue after only two games have been played?

Sure you can take the moonshot now and it might pay off, but after two weeks it is a much bigger risk than it will be after four weeks. All I am saying is give yourself some time to figure out what is actually going on before bailing on a player who is performing at least up to your expectations (and probably exceeding them).

Like with any trade, it SHOULD depend on how you and others value the perspective players. You shouldn't FORCE a sell off of Palmer/Schaub but I think it's actually a great idea to shop them.

As one of the staffers has shown (Maurile? Dodds?), after two weeks of the season, it's still a good idea to stick with your preseason rankings rather than buy into early trends.

If you had Palmer/Schaub ranked in the top five to start off the year then I don't see why you would shop them. However, if you had those guys ranked lower then I think it's a tad premature to suddenly toss your rankings out the window and think they're insta-studs.

If someone else is jumping on the bandwagon and you can either get another qb you had ranked significantly higher but is faltering or you can upgrade another position, you need to explore those options and take advantage of it while you can.

Coming in here and laughing at everyone for panicking is pointless and serves little to no purpose. Certainly, there are folk who overreact to anything and everything.

But there are plenty of others who see a player that is perhaps currently valued in tier 1 and we're trying to figure out if they'll finish at their current spot or if they'll actually finish in tier 2 (where they were originally ranked), and would thus be better served shopping them while their perceived value is higher than their actual value.

Personally, I had Schaub ranked in the top 5 but will shop him because I own Brees. I did not have Palmer sniffing the top 5 and was barely in the top 10 - I didn't trust his arm or that o-line. I still don't. As such, I would shop him HARD and hope someone else sees what has he done thus far and offer me more than I believe they should.

With any trade, you run the risk of ending up on the wrong side of things. But you shouldn't be afraid of trading away a guy who can net you more than you believe he should simply due to the fear of possibly being wrong.

Color it any you like. Ultimately you are selling facts for hope.I might agree with you if we were talking about Kyle Orton and/or Brady Quinn but we are talking about Carson Palmer who before his knee injury was ranked behind only guys named Peyton and Brady (before Brees truly blew up) and who has better weapons than at any point in his career. And Schaub has repeatedly demonstrated top 5 production over long stretches.

I could understand justifying the sale of Schaub if you are scared that he won't hold up but you still are selling facts for hope.

I hope it works out for all the sellers but I am highly skeptical.

 

[Knobs]

Palmer was also ranked that highly before his o-line collapsed and his elbow became a massive question mark.

 

[editor47]

it may play out to be true, but i am not as worried about baltimore's defense as i was a month ago. they gave up 24 points to KC and got lit up by SD without Tomlinson.

 

[FUBAR]

If you felt Palmer would finish as the #8 qb but right now you could get higher value right now, then it wouldn't be an overreaction to trade him away.

If anything, it would be a shark move.

Trading for a player who performs at a level above the player you are getting rid of is a good move.But how does that scenario unfold? If the player you are trading for is already performing at a higher level then the guy you are getting rid of you will have to pay a higher premium.

So your best bet is to trade for a player that is not performing above the level of the guy you are dishing (e.g. Steve Slaton). So then you have to assume the risk that the acquired player will rebound and the guy you dish will fall off. Those are a lot of variables to count on and with limited data (only two games) you only increase the number of variables particularly along the lines of strength of schedule.

For example Palmer's SOS in weeks 12-16 looks very nice but are we certain that the Oakland or SD or Det defenses will be a good matchups or that Minnesota will be a bad one at this point? I am not confident in that at all. Baltimore and Pittsburgh are playing well below expectations, does anyone want to bank on that trend to continue after only two games have been played?

Sure you can take the moonshot now and it might pay off, but after two weeks it is a much bigger risk than it will be after four weeks. All I am saying is give yourself some time to figure out what is actually going on before bailing on a player who is performing at least up to your expectations (and probably exceeding them).

Like with any trade, it SHOULD depend on how you and others value the perspective players. You shouldn't FORCE a sell off of Palmer/Schaub but I think it's actually a great idea to shop them.

As one of the staffers has shown (Maurile? Dodds?), after two weeks of the season, it's still a good idea to stick with your preseason rankings rather than buy into early trends.

If you had Palmer/Schaub ranked in the top five to start off the year then I don't see why you would shop them. However, if you had those guys ranked lower then I think it's a tad premature to suddenly toss your rankings out the window and think they're insta-studs.

If someone else is jumping on the bandwagon and you can either get another qb you had ranked significantly higher but is faltering or you can upgrade another position, you need to explore those options and take advantage of it while you can.

Coming in here and laughing at everyone for panicking is pointless and serves little to no purpose. Certainly, there are folk who overreact to anything and everything.

But there are plenty of others who see a player that is perhaps currently valued in tier 1 and we're trying to figure out if they'll finish at their current spot or if they'll actually finish in tier 2 (where they were originally ranked), and would thus be better served shopping them while their perceived value is higher than their actual value.

Personally, I had Schaub ranked in the top 5 but will shop him because I own Brees. I did not have Palmer sniffing the top 5 and was barely in the top 10 - I didn't trust his arm or that o-line. I still don't. As such, I would shop him HARD and hope someone else sees what has he done thus far and offer me more than I believe they should.

With any trade, you run the risk of ending up on the wrong side of things. But you shouldn't be afraid of trading away a guy who can net you more than you believe he should simply due to the fear of possibly being wrong.

Color it any you like. Ultimately you are selling facts for hope.I might agree with you if we were talking about Kyle Orton and/or Brady Quinn but we are talking about Carson Palmer who before his knee injury was ranked behind only guys named Peyton and Brady (before Brees truly blew up) and who has better weapons than at any point in his career. And Schaub has repeatedly demonstrated top 5 production over long stretches.

I could understand justifying the sale of Schaub if you are scared that he won't hold up but you still are selling facts for hope.

I hope it works out for all the sellers but I am highly skeptical.

you really think so (bolded)? I don't buy it. 85 seems to have lost something, Housh is gone, Benson is doing fine but he's no better than Rudi was, "baby Moss" hasn't done squat, and while I like Caldwell enough, he's not proven to be a good WR yet. Besides, if the OL doesn't hold up it won't matter if he does have better receivers right now.

 

[Chaka]

If you felt Palmer would finish as the #8 qb but right now you could get higher value right now, then it wouldn't be an overreaction to trade him away.

If anything, it would be a shark move.

Trading for a player who performs at a level above the player you are getting rid of is a good move.But how does that scenario unfold? If the player you are trading for is already performing at a higher level then the guy you are getting rid of you will have to pay a higher premium.

So your best bet is to trade for a player that is not performing above the level of the guy you are dishing (e.g. Steve Slaton). So then you have to assume the risk that the acquired player will rebound and the guy you dish will fall off. Those are a lot of variables to count on and with limited data (only two games) you only increase the number of variables particularly along the lines of strength of schedule.

For example Palmer's SOS in weeks 12-16 looks very nice but are we certain that the Oakland or SD or Det defenses will be a good matchups or that Minnesota will be a bad one at this point? I am not confident in that at all. Baltimore and Pittsburgh are playing well below expectations, does anyone want to bank on that trend to continue after only two games have been played?

Sure you can take the moonshot now and it might pay off, but after two weeks it is a much bigger risk than it will be after four weeks. All I am saying is give yourself some time to figure out what is actually going on before bailing on a player who is performing at least up to your expectations (and probably exceeding them).

Like with any trade, it SHOULD depend on how you and others value the perspective players. You shouldn't FORCE a sell off of Palmer/Schaub but I think it's actually a great idea to shop them.

As one of the staffers has shown (Maurile? Dodds?), after two weeks of the season, it's still a good idea to stick with your preseason rankings rather than buy into early trends.

If you had Palmer/Schaub ranked in the top five to start off the year then I don't see why you would shop them. However, if you had those guys ranked lower then I think it's a tad premature to suddenly toss your rankings out the window and think they're insta-studs.

If someone else is jumping on the bandwagon and you can either get another qb you had ranked significantly higher but is faltering or you can upgrade another position, you need to explore those options and take advantage of it while you can.

Coming in here and laughing at everyone for panicking is pointless and serves little to no purpose. Certainly, there are folk who overreact to anything and everything.

But there are plenty of others who see a player that is perhaps currently valued in tier 1 and we're trying to figure out if they'll finish at their current spot or if they'll actually finish in tier 2 (where they were originally ranked), and would thus be better served shopping them while their perceived value is higher than their actual value.

Personally, I had Schaub ranked in the top 5 but will shop him because I own Brees. I did not have Palmer sniffing the top 5 and was barely in the top 10 - I didn't trust his arm or that o-line. I still don't. As such, I would shop him HARD and hope someone else sees what has he done thus far and offer me more than I believe they should.

With any trade, you run the risk of ending up on the wrong side of things. But you shouldn't be afraid of trading away a guy who can net you more than you believe he should simply due to the fear of possibly being wrong.

Color it any you like. Ultimately you are selling facts for hope.I might agree with you if we were talking about Kyle Orton and/or Brady Quinn but we are talking about Carson Palmer who before his knee injury was ranked behind only guys named Peyton and Brady (before Brees truly blew up) and who has better weapons than at any point in his career. And Schaub has repeatedly demonstrated top 5 production over long stretches.

I could understand justifying the sale of Schaub if you are scared that he won't hold up but you still are selling facts for hope.

I hope it works out for all the sellers but I am highly skeptical.

you really think so (bolded)? I don't buy it. 85 seems to have lost something, Housh is gone, Benson is doing fine but he's no better than Rudi was, "baby Moss" hasn't done squat, and while I like Caldwell enough, he's not proven to be a good WR yet. Besides, if the OL doesn't hold up it won't matter if he does have better receivers right now.

Yes. Absolutely. If Chad has lost something it is not reflected in his 20ypc. Housh was always overrated and Coles is younger and has a very similar skill set. Everyone seems to be quick to write off Henry because...well I am not sure why because he still has sick talent and must be accounted for on every play and Andre Caldwell appears to be a legitimate weapon as well. Cedric Benson is a push with Rudi Johnson at the very worst. Rudi had a ton of heart and was a smart player but never had Cedric's talent and I think we are starting to see what a motivated Benson can really accomplish.

 

[Chaka]

Palmer was also ranked that highly before his o-line collapsed and his elbow became a massive question mark.

Palmer is posting top five production through two games, he has a pedigree of multiple top five finishes and he has shown no lingering effects of the elbow injury as evidenced by his 7.7 YPA.After two games I think Palmer has turned that question mark into an exclamation point.

 

[Chaka]

I don't understand the Shark Pool's fascination, nay obsession, with trying to "sell high" every top performing player in the league.

I can understand it for the players that no one expected to be performing at a high level (as was already stated your preseason projections are as reliable an indicator of future production as anything right now). However for guys who were expected to perform well and are living up to expectations it makes little sense to me.

 

[MAC_32]

I don't understand the Shark Pool's fascination, nay obsession, with trying to "sell high" every top performing player in the league.

Some of these top early season performers are sell high's, others are legit. The tricky part is identifying who's a sell high, and who's legit. If healthy, I think both of these guys are legit. Unless you find someone over paying for either or both these guys are holds.

 

[G-King]

Palmer was also ranked that highly before his o-line collapsed and his elbow became a massive question mark.

Palmer is posting top five production through two games, he has a pedigree of multiple top five finishes and he has shown no lingering effects of the elbow injury as evidenced by his 7.7 YPA.After two games I think Palmer has turned that question mark into an exclamation point.

Would you trade him for Rodgers? I did and like it. Palmer will have some good games, but I think Rodgers was a buy low right now with two mediocre games. Plus I like Rodgers vs Rams this week better than Palmer vs Pit. Edwards will cover Rodgers week 5 bye.

 

[Chaka]

Palmer was also ranked that highly before his o-line collapsed and his elbow became a massive question mark.

Palmer is posting top five production through two games, he has a pedigree of multiple top five finishes and he has shown no lingering effects of the elbow injury as evidenced by his 7.7 YPA.After two games I think Palmer has turned that question mark into an exclamation point.

Would you trade him for Rodgers? I did and like it. Palmer will have some good games, but I think Rodgers was a buy low right now with two mediocre games. Plus I like Rodgers vs Rams this week better than Palmer vs Pit. Edwards will cover Rodgers week 5 bye.

I had Rodgers ranked higher than Palmer but not by much. They have similarly potent receiving weapons, I give a slight edge to GB, and similar question marks on the O-line.McCarthy appears to abandon the running game too quickly, which is nice because it will increase Rodgers attempts but the downside is that he is exposed to a lot more punishment.After two weeks I like what Cinci is doing to protect Palmer more than what Green Bay is doing to protect Rodgers.I would not make that trade but I could see myself living to regret it.

 

[Knobs]

Palmer was also ranked that highly before his o-line collapsed and his elbow became a massive question mark.

Palmer is posting top five production through two games, he has a pedigree of multiple top five finishes and he has shown no lingering effects of the elbow injury as evidenced by his 7.7 YPA.After two games I think Palmer has turned that question mark into an exclamation point.

Two games is hardly enough to suddenly toss your preseason rankings out the window.And in response to your post after the one I quoted, this is where we're having the disconnect. I didn't have Palmer ranked that high. Neither did some others. So again, as I have already said, it depends where you had Schaub/Palmer ranked to start the season.If you had them ranked as top 5 then there's no reason you should sell. Not everyone ranked them that highly.

 

[Chaka]

Palmer was also ranked that highly before his o-line collapsed and his elbow became a massive question mark.

Palmer is posting top five production through two games, he has a pedigree of multiple top five finishes and he has shown no lingering effects of the elbow injury as evidenced by his 7.7 YPA.After two games I think Palmer has turned that question mark into an exclamation point.

Two games is hardly enough to suddenly toss your preseason rankings out the window.And in response to your post after the one I quoted, this is where we're having the disconnect. I didn't have Palmer ranked that high. Neither did some others. So again, as I have already said, it depends where you had Schaub/Palmer ranked to start the season.If you had them ranked as top 5 then there's no reason you should sell. Not everyone ranked them that highly.

The gap between QB #4 (Rogers ADP) and QB #12 (Palmer ADP) is not that big. And the only reason for that was because of concern's about Palmer's elbow. If those differences are big enough for you to make a move then sell away.

 

[Knobs]

The concerns were not only due to his elbow, but his o-line as well.

I'm not ready to say those concerns are invalid after games against Denver (whose own beat reporters said are the worst front 7 in football) and the Packers.

If he's still studly after he plays a few more teams then I'll admit I was wrong about the guy.

But I still think it's too early after two games to suddenly start tweaking your early rankings with any significance.