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Shaun Allexander is killing me but I have a chance to trade him.

Will his second half be better than his first?

 
I got rid of him in a dynasty league. From the SEA games I've been able to watch, he really looks like he's not running hard at all. Reminds me of another Jamal Lewis.

He has a better schedule down the stretch, but his days as a top tier RB are clearly over.

Obviously depends on what you can get for him, but for the short-term, I'd be surprised if you got anything worth it. In the long-term (dynasty league) I'd be looking to get what you can get while some owners might still be optimistic for some reason.

 
I certainly don't think that SA will return to top three RB status, but I do think that he'll return from the bye and be a much higher producer than anything you could get for him at this point. Trading him while he is this low-valued is counter productive.

He has two weeks off, and supposedly, is getting his cast removed. I think that makes a much bigger difference than most fans can imagine.

 
cityuy said:
Shaun Allexander is killing me but I have a chance to trade him.Will his second half be better than his first?
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If you do a search for Shaun Alexander you'll find a couple of long threads from Sunday and Monday with a lot of info on what his problems are.
 
I offered Fitzgerald and Hilliard for Alexander and Berrian in a redraft ppr league. He got a beter offer:

Alexander/Berrian/Santana Moss for Randy Moss

Guy trading away R. Moss is in last and his RB's are Jackson/Leonard/Maroney/Morris so he was hurting at RB.

Just a heads up, I don't think most could package a deal to land R. Moss by giving up Alexander, but it can be done if the need is there.

 
Yes, SA has a "chance" at making a comeback, and yes, you should be shopping him. You're selling point should always be Seattle's cake schedule, and point out what Holmgren said this week about the O-line needing to handle their assignments better, and that that will be a point of emphasis during the BYE week....

 
I could not get anything worthwhile for him if I tried, I am holding out hope for a slight rebound. Doesn't seem like seattle is getting down inside the five like years past, plus he runs like a little girl....

 
I am trying to acquire Romo and am trading Warner/KevJones/Edwards for Romo/Alexander/Cotchery. It is a heavy TD league (which ends up being a crapshoot each week for WRs and RBs anyway), but I heard Seattle has a pretty easy schedule the rest of the way.

 
In a dynasty league that I am making a run at the championship in, I traded Michael Bush, Reggie Brown and a 2008 1st round rookie pick for Alexander and Toomer.

Had to make that deal. The team I traded to is in dead last and I have Travis Henry, so my time was running out and felt SA would represent great value for this year in the hope of him turning it around. And getting Toomer was decent and could come in handy. Reggie Brown sucks donkey balls.

 
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cityuy said:
Shaun Allexander is killing me but I have a chance to trade him.Will his second half be better than his first?
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God, this place sure looks more like a guppy pool with every passing week.
 
I traded Alexander and D. Stallworth for S. Jackson.

I have Boldin, Coles, B. Edwards and L. Evans at WR.

Did this last night.

 
FWIW-Trade processing in my redraft league:

Jacobs/Calvin/Wynn for Alexander/Holt

On paper, pre-draft, it would look like somebody is getting reamed, but this trade looks pretty good as of now.

 
Alexander the player is the suck, but the starting RB in Seattle will still have scoring opportunities. I say hold onto him. Bad players can still score mucho fantasy points.

 
He was just dropped in my league. :blackdot:

Is there any reason he should be unowned? At the risk of :hijack: I dropped C-Pep for him. Got Roethlisberger and Hasselbeck. Good move?

Is he not even worth a roster spot anymore?

I know he's been a bust, but I haven't been following too closely. To see him unowned is a shock.

 
I continue to be amazed at how reactionary people around here are.

For two + years, Alexander has been a stud rb with a nose for the endzone. He has plenty of skill and great vision. Now, the offense is struggling, they have had injuries at WR and their O-Line has been playing poorly. What amazes me is how everyone is ready to write Alexander off and make comments that he has no heart and his skills are obviously deteriorated etc.

Do people really believe his skills as a RB have dropped so dramatically since last year?

The fact is Holmgren is a very good coach and realizes what the problems are. To wit, the o-line has simply not been executing as it should. The Hawks have 2 full weeks to address the problems, and they will. Alexander's injury has clearly effected his play, as well as his mindset. However, all indications are that the cast will be coming off and he should be healthy coming off the bye. I also read that Branch should be coming back close to 100% as well.

Do I thinnk Alexander is going to run amok and be a top 5 back for the second half of the season? Probably not. But he is a very talented back with the bye week coming at the perfect time for him, and the team. They should get healthy and address the problems along the o-line. Throw in the favorable schedule for the rest of the year and I think Alexander will have a very solid second half of the year.

Just my two cents.

 
He's been brutal. The guy in my 14 team PPR couldn't even trade him AND Bernard Berrian for Torry Holt to a guy that traded away LJ and Brees for Favre and Ron Dayne two weeks ago.

I'd go for him but my best players Reggie Bush, TO and Gates arent't worth the risk and he turned down Jerrious Norwood or Deshaun Foster or Fred Taylor and Lee Evans.

 
Todem said:
In a dynasty league that I am making a run at the championship in, I traded Michael Bush, Reggie Brown and a 2008 1st round rookie pick for Alexander and Toomer.Had to make that deal. The team I traded to is in dead last and I have Travis Henry, so my time was running out and felt SA would represent great value for this year in the hope of him turning it around. And getting Toomer was decent and could come in handy. Reggie Brown sucks donkey balls.
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A fact we've known for years now, but you gave up Michael Bush & a #1 for a guy who's done and a guy who just became the Giants all-time leading receiver (= all but done.) You better get a trophy for that or the shareholders will be looking for new management.
 
Silver & Black said:
I continue to be amazed at how reactionary people around here are. For two + years, Alexander has been a stud rb with a nose for the endzone. He has plenty of skill and great vision. Now, the offense is struggling, they have had injuries at WR and their O-Line has been playing poorly. What amazes me is how everyone is ready to write Alexander off and make comments that he has no heart and his skills are obviously deteriorated etc.Do people really believe his skills as a RB have dropped so dramatically since last year? The fact is Holmgren is a very good coach and realizes what the problems are. To wit, the o-line has simply not been executing as it should. The Hawks have 2 full weeks to address the problems, and they will. Alexander's injury has clearly effected his play, as well as his mindset. However, all indications are that the cast will be coming off and he should be healthy coming off the bye. I also read that Branch should be coming back close to 100% as well.Do I thinnk Alexander is going to run amok and be a top 5 back for the second half of the season? Probably not. But he is a very talented back with the bye week coming at the perfect time for him, and the team. They should get healthy and address the problems along the o-line. Throw in the favorable schedule for the rest of the year and I think Alexander will have a very solid second half of the year. Just my two cents.
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If you were Shawn's mom we might understand the arguement. However, when did it happen that fantasy football analysis started to ignore the surrounding facts. The offensive line was reduced by its best component; why would we ignore the fact of its poor performance? What could make that any better in two weeks?The receivers are bad. Branch was a hunch who is either not playing or not playing well. Why would anyone believe that situation is going to change.I drafted him with the 4th pick in one league so there are not too many who think as highly of him as I do. But! He's 30, he's not getting yards and is not the 1st, 2nd and 3rd option in the red-zone anymore. I'm sure he's a wonderful guy and an exceptional physical specimen, but the indicators all point to DONE.
 
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The receivers are bad. Branch was a hunch who is either not playing or not playing well. Why would anyone believe that situation is going to change.
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Branch and Hackett are injured. That situation is going to change because injuries heal. Branch played very well in the games he played with the exception of week 1 when he wasn't targeted. Hackett got hurt in week one. He's still an unknown.When you say "the receivers are bad" its sounds like your degrees of ability and opportunity flop between terrible or awesome. The world is much more gray than it is black and white.
 
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Paddy O said:
The receivers are bad. Branch was a hunch who is either not playing or not playing well. Why would anyone believe that situation is going to change.
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Branch and Hackett are injured. That situation is going to change because injuries heal. Branch played very well in the games he played with the exception of week 1 when he wasn't targeted. Hackett got hurt in week one. He's still an unknown.When you say "the receivers are bad" its sounds like your degrees of ability and opportunity flop between terrible or awesome. The world is much more gray than it is black and white.
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Not to mention the fact that Branch was shut out in the first game prompting Holmgren to say it was his fault for not trying to get him the ball more, and promising not to let it happen again. Branch never had less than 100 yards in the next three games. If 100 yards a game isn't good, then standards must be increasing mightily. When he gets back he'll be getting the 100+ yards Engram's been getting.
 
Silver & Black said:
I continue to be amazed at how reactionary people around here are. For two + years, Alexander has been a stud rb with a nose for the endzone. He has plenty of skill and great vision. Now, the offense is struggling, they have had injuries at WR and their O-Line has been playing poorly. What amazes me is how everyone is ready to write Alexander off and make comments that he has no heart and his skills are obviously deteriorated etc.Do people really believe his skills as a RB have dropped so dramatically since last year? The fact is Holmgren is a very good coach and realizes what the problems are. To wit, the o-line has simply not been executing as it should. The Hawks have 2 full weeks to address the problems, and they will. Alexander's injury has clearly effected his play, as well as his mindset. However, all indications are that the cast will be coming off and he should be healthy coming off the bye. I also read that Branch should be coming back close to 100% as well.Do I thinnk Alexander is going to run amok and be a top 5 back for the second half of the season? Probably not. But he is a very talented back with the bye week coming at the perfect time for him, and the team. They should get healthy and address the problems along the o-line. Throw in the favorable schedule for the rest of the year and I think Alexander will have a very solid second half of the year. Just my two cents.
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Players do go from good to done in as little as a year in the league. I think everyone suspects that to be the case with Alexander. I know I traded him for Maroney somehow and ran like a theif.
 
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Paddy O said:
The receivers are bad. Branch was a hunch who is either not playing or not playing well. Why would anyone believe that situation is going to change.
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Branch and Hackett are injured. That situation is going to change because injuries heal. Branch played very well in the games he played with the exception of week 1 when he wasn't targeted. Hackett got hurt in week one. He's still an unknown.When you say "the receivers are bad" its sounds like your degrees of ability and opportunity flop between terrible or awesome. The world is much more gray than it is black and white.
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Not to mention the fact that Branch was shut out in the first game prompting Holmgren to say it was his fault for not trying to get him the ball more, and promising not to let it happen again. Branch never had less than 100 yards in the next three games. If 100 yards a game isn't good, then standards must be increasing mightily. When he gets back he'll be getting the 100+ yards Engram's been getting.
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:Hi5: Paddy p\/\/ned
 
ProBowler88 said:
The only comeback Shaun Alexander is having is to the donut shop.
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Comments like this just kill me. Nearly all the Seahawks homer agree that Alexander is somewhat of a liability. He hasn't been producing, and he's not going to produce like he has in the past. However, to ignore the fact that he's still going to get ample opportunities is absurd. Holmgren is nowhere near benching him. Some of us would like to see Morris get more carries, but Holmgren has been very adamant that Alexander is still his guy.Alexander is a focal point of an offense on a good team. A playoff team. A team that's going to score at a decent clip. To ignore these key facts is absurd. Worse players than Alexander have scored solid points from week to week in the past. Opportunity is the key. He's going to continue to see those opportunities.
 
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ProBowler88 said:
The only comeback Shaun Alexander is having is to the donut shop.
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Comments like this just kill me. Nearly all the Seahawks homer agree that Alexander is somewhat of a liability. He hasn't been producing, and he's not going to produce like he has in the past. However, to ignore the fact that he's still going to get ample opportunities is absurd. Holmgren is nowhere near benching him. Some of us would like to see Morris get more carries, but Holmgren has been very adamant that Alexander is still his guy.Alexander is a focal point of an offense on a good team. A playoff team. A team that's going to score at a decent clip. To ignore these key facts is absurd. Worse players than Alexander have scored solid points from week to week in the past. Opportunity is the key. He's going to continue to see those opportunities.
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You have to realize he was going for "cool points" rather than "football acumen" points here...
 
Loke said:
Enforcer said:
ProBowler88 said:
The only comeback Shaun Alexander is having is to the donut shop.
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Comments like this just kill me. Nearly all the Seahawks homer agree that Alexander is somewhat of a liability. He hasn't been producing, and he's not going to produce like he has in the past. However, to ignore the fact that he's still going to get ample opportunities is absurd. Holmgren is nowhere near benching him. Some of us would like to see Morris get more carries, but Holmgren has been very adamant that Alexander is still his guy.Alexander is a focal point of an offense on a good team. A playoff team. A team that's going to score at a decent clip. To ignore these key facts is absurd. Worse players than Alexander have scored solid points from week to week in the past. Opportunity is the key. He's going to continue to see those opportunities.
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You have to realize he was going for "cool points" rather than "football acumen" points here...
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Good point. I rate him a -3.4 on my coolometer. If someone wants to rate higher that have to throw out something insightful to be real cool.
 
Was able to trade Alexander and McNabb for Edge and V.Young.

Arizona's schedule from here on out is pretty damn easy. Edge could have a very good second half IMO.

 
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Paddy O said:
Silver & Black said:
I continue to be amazed at how reactionary people around here are. For two + years, Alexander has been a stud rb with a nose for the endzone. He has plenty of skill and great vision. Now, the offense is struggling, they have had injuries at WR and their O-Line has been playing poorly. What amazes me is how everyone is ready to write Alexander off and make comments that he has no heart and his skills are obviously deteriorated etc.Do people really believe his skills as a RB have dropped so dramatically since last year? The fact is Holmgren is a very good coach and realizes what the problems are. To wit, the o-line has simply not been executing as it should. The Hawks have 2 full weeks to address the problems, and they will. Alexander's injury has clearly effected his play, as well as his mindset. However, all indications are that the cast will be coming off and he should be healthy coming off the bye. I also read that Branch should be coming back close to 100% as well.Do I thinnk Alexander is going to run amok and be a top 5 back for the second half of the season? Probably not. But he is a very talented back with the bye week coming at the perfect time for him, and the team. They should get healthy and address the problems along the o-line. Throw in the favorable schedule for the rest of the year and I think Alexander will have a very solid second half of the year. Just my two cents.
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If you were Shawn's mom we might understand the arguement. However, when did it happen that fantasy football analysis started to ignore the surrounding facts. The offensive line was reduced by its best component; why would we ignore the fact of its poor performance? What could make that any better in two weeks?The receivers are bad. Branch was a hunch who is either not playing or not playing well. Why would anyone believe that situation is going to change.I drafted him with the 4th pick in one league so there are not too many who think as highly of him as I do. But! He's 30, he's not getting yards and is not the 1st, 2nd and 3rd option in the red-zone anymore. I'm sure he's a wonderful guy and an exceptional physical specimen, but the indicators all point to DONE.
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Alexander's mom? I don't think it was me that was ignoring the facts. The facts are that we don't know if the WR's suck (although I strongly believe that they don't) insofar as they have been injured and not on the field. When Branch and Hacket return, I think the offense is going to be significantly better as a whole. Another fact is that the O-line has played horrible, leading to the last fact, that Holmgren dressed down his players about it and vowed to spend the bye-week in a determined effort to fix it.I can't say it for fact, but I think the bye week and players returning from the layoff rested and healthy is going to lead to a much better performance from the entire offense. Especially Alexander.You were pretty harsh in your opinions. I trust you will be equally as gracious when I bump this thread later in the season.
 
Enforcer said:
ProBowler88 said:
The only comeback Shaun Alexander is having is to the donut shop.
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Comments like this just kill me. Nearly all the Seahawks homer agree that Alexander is somewhat of a liability. He hasn't been producing, and he's not going to produce like he has in the past. However, to ignore the fact that he's still going to get ample opportunities is absurd. Holmgren is nowhere near benching him. Some of us would like to see Morris get more carries, but Holmgren has been very adamant that Alexander is still his guy.Alexander is a focal point of an offense on a good team. A playoff team. A team that's going to score at a decent clip. To ignore these key facts is absurd. Worse players than Alexander have scored solid points from week to week in the past. Opportunity is the key. He's going to continue to see those opportunities.
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He's still going to have value, but if you wasted a #1 pick on him (or an early #2), you're kind of screwed.He's not going to perform anywhere near his ADP, and I see no reason to believe he'll turn it on. That said, I don't know what kind of trade value he has. He still has value as a low end RB2 - high end RB3/FLEX on your team if you have him...I'm not sure you can get that or better in return so Alexander owners are probably best served sitting tight. But I wouldn't be overly optimistic at this point at his outlook.
 
After attempting to pimp him to every owner in my league the best offer I got was Maroney for Alexander.. straight up.

It may be best to just sit tight and pray to baby Jesus that a miracle happens during the bye week. :rolleyes:

 
supermark_28 said:
After attempting to pimp him to every owner in my league the best offer I got was Maroney for Alexander.. straight up.It may be best to just sit tight and pray to baby Jesus that a miracle happens during the bye week. :homer:
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Sweet baby Jesus always looks kindly on those with patience.
 
Silver & Black said:
Paddy O said:
Silver & Black said:
I continue to be amazed at how reactionary people around here are. For two + years, Alexander has been a stud rb with a nose for the endzone. He has plenty of skill and great vision. Now, the offense is struggling, they have had injuries at WR and their O-Line has been playing poorly. What amazes me is how everyone is ready to write Alexander off and make comments that he has no heart and his skills are obviously deteriorated etc.Do people really believe his skills as a RB have dropped so dramatically since last year? The fact is Holmgren is a very good coach and realizes what the problems are. To wit, the o-line has simply not been executing as it should. The Hawks have 2 full weeks to address the problems, and they will. Alexander's injury has clearly effected his play, as well as his mindset. However, all indications are that the cast will be coming off and he should be healthy coming off the bye. I also read that Branch should be coming back close to 100% as well.Do I thinnk Alexander is going to run amok and be a top 5 back for the second half of the season? Probably not. But he is a very talented back with the bye week coming at the perfect time for him, and the team. They should get healthy and address the problems along the o-line. Throw in the favorable schedule for the rest of the year and I think Alexander will have a very solid second half of the year. Just my two cents.
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If you were Shawn's mom we might understand the arguement. However, when did it happen that fantasy football analysis started to ignore the surrounding facts. The offensive line was reduced by its best component; why would we ignore the fact of its poor performance? What could make that any better in two weeks?The receivers are bad. Branch was a hunch who is either not playing or not playing well. Why would anyone believe that situation is going to change.I drafted him with the 4th pick in one league so there are not too many who think as highly of him as I do. But! He's 30, he's not getting yards and is not the 1st, 2nd and 3rd option in the red-zone anymore. I'm sure he's a wonderful guy and an exceptional physical specimen, but the indicators all point to DONE.
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Alexander's mom? I don't think it was me that was ignoring the facts. The facts are that we don't know if the WR's suck (although I strongly believe that they don't) insofar as they have been injured and not on the field. When Branch and Hacket return, I think the offense is going to be significantly better as a whole. Another fact is that the O-line has played horrible, leading to the last fact, that Holmgren dressed down his players about it and vowed to spend the bye-week in a determined effort to fix it.I can't say it for fact, but I think the bye week and players returning from the layoff rested and healthy is going to lead to a much better performance from the entire offense. Especially Alexander.You were pretty harsh in your opinions. I trust you will be equally as gracious when I bump this thread later in the season.
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They're your facts! What I'm asking is why they don't count! I think Barry Sanders was an incredible talent but the fact that he's retired makes him bad fantasy football candidate. You started off objecting to claims of his demise and then listed all the reasons it's true!Bump all you want. I just traded a guy McGahee for Alexander & Shane Graham (needed a bye week kicker.)
 
Today I traded Alexander/Santana Moss for Donald Driver/Julius Jones.

I'm very happy with this trade. Especially because there wasn't another player in my 12 team league willing to give up ANYTHING for him (literally).

 
Alexander has been moved this week in 2 of my 3 leagues. Unfortunately, I'm the owner in the league where he wasn't traded. :moneybag:

In one PPR league, he went straight up for Cotchery.

In the other he was part of a package deal :

Alexander, Jordan and Hasselbeck for Lynch, Henry and Rivers.

 
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