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Shawne Merriman for Defensive MVP? (1 Viewer)

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guy has 12.5 sacks (tied for best in NFL) with a four-game suspension under his belt.

4 FF, 5 Passes Defensed, INT...

I can't think of a better candidate off hand.. but it makes me cringe thinking a blatant roid-head would win.

 
I'll state another obvious candidate ... Urlacher has a lot more tackles & better stats in passing defense ... merriman obviously has the sack advantage & forced fumbles with 4!

Urlacher:

105 tackles

0 sacks

3 interceptions

7 pass defense

1 forced fumbles

1 fumble recovery

Merriman:

42 tackles

12.5 sacks

1 interception

5 pass defense

4 forced fumbles

1 fumble recovery

 
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guy has 12.5 sacks (tied for best in NFL) with a four-game suspension under his belt.

4 FF, 5 Passes Defensed, INT...

I can't think of a better candidate off hand.. but it makes me cringe thinking a blatant roid-head would win.
in bold the reason he will not get sufficient votes
 
The kid's good, but he'll have missed at least 4 games by season's end, and his team won all 4 he missed. He's now off the 'roids, and it looks like his play hasn't dropped off yet, which is good. However I think he'll have to wait again till next year - Urlacher is having a phenominal season, and would be my choice right now.

 
Guys the answer here from a statistical point is Jason Taylor. Here's his 2006 resume and ranks among other DE's

11.5 sacks (2nd)

8 forced fumbles (1st)

2 TD's scored (1st)

2 INT (tied for 1st)

1 fumble recovery

9 passes defensed (1st)

 
Jason Taylor deserves this award and it shouldn't even be close.

He was all over Brady yesterday and is having a great year.

 
Guys the answer here from a statistical point is Jason Taylor. Here's his 2006 resume and ranks among other DE's11.5 sacks (2nd)8 forced fumbles (1st)2 TD's scored (1st)2 INT (tied for 1st)1 fumble recovery9 passes defensed (1st)
I forgot about him. He's been insanely good this year, and could very likely get my vote (although, I ONLY see the highlights).
 
Merriman will likely lose votes b/c of the steriod incident, but when you put his numbers in context, it's tough to argue that he's not the best defensive player in the L.

 
Guys the answer here from a statistical point is Jason Taylor. Here's his 2006 resume and ranks among other DE's11.5 sacks (2nd)8 forced fumbles (1st)2 TD's scored (1st)2 INT (tied for 1st)1 fumble recovery9 passes defensed (1st)
Anyone know where we can gt stats like QB hurries and knockdowns, I bet he leads in those too.
 
F*** the cheaters. I don't care how good they are.

Merriman will always have an asterisk next to his name in my book.

 
I'll state another obvious candidate ... Urlacher has a lot more tackles & better stats in passing defense ... merriman obviously has the sack advantage & forced fumbles with 4!Urlacher:105 tackles0 sacks3 interceptions7 pass defense1 forced fumbles1 fumble recoveryMerriman:42 tackles12.5 sacks1 interception5 pass defense4 forced fumbles1 fumble recovery
Lance Briggs:100 tackles1 sack2 interceptions8 pass defense3 forced fumbles1 fumble recovery
 
Pathetic if they give any award to a player who serves a performance enhancing drug suspension
Short memory? Julius Peppers 2002
In the 2002 NFL Draft, Peppers was selected by the Carolina Panthers as the second overall pick. Peppers made an immediate impact and was named The NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year by the Associated Press. During his rookie season, Peppers tallied 28 tackles, 12 sacks, 1 interception, and 5 forced fumbles. On October 13, 2002, Peppers became only the third player in NFL history to amass three sacks and an interception in the same game; but with four games remaining in the season, Peppers was suspended for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy.
 
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume that MVP stands for the most valuable player to his team

How does a guy that didn't play with his team for 4 games get considered in the same breath with guys like Urlacher and Taylor that have contributed and made a difference every game.

Puzzling... :confused:

 
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume that MVP stands for the most valuable player to his team

How does a guy that didn't play with his team for 4 games get considered in the same breath with guys like Urlacher and Taylor that have contributed and made a difference every game.

Puzzling... :confused:
I'm not sure the NFL has language that specifies that "valuable" relates to his team, but MLB does, and I am pretty sure pitchers have won it even though they only contribute to about 20% of the games.
 
You know... honestly I would vote for Jason Taylor over anyone else.

I hadn't thought of him.

And he's not on roids, nor has he ever been to my knowledge.

 
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume that MVP stands for the most valuable player to his team

How does a guy that didn't play with his team for 4 games get considered in the same breath with guys like Urlacher and Taylor that have contributed and made a difference every game.

Puzzling... :confused:
I'm not sure the NFL has language that specifies that "valuable" relates to his team, but MLB does, and I am pretty sure pitchers have won it even though they only contribute to about 20% of the games.
Let me you ask you this then. If it doesn't represent the M.V.P to his team then what does it represent?? Most important player to the NFL???
 
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Merriman will likely lose votes b/c of the steriod incident, but when you put his numbers in context, it's tough to argue that he's not the best defensive player in the L.
:goodposting: There is no defensive player I'd rather have on my team than Merriman.
 
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume that MVP stands for the most valuable player to his team

How does a guy that didn't play with his team for 4 games get considered in the same breath with guys like Urlacher and Taylor that have contributed and made a difference every game.

Puzzling... :confused:
I'm not sure the NFL has language that specifies that "valuable" relates to his team, but MLB does, and I am pretty sure pitchers have won it even though they only contribute to about 20% of the games.
Let me you ask you this then. If it doesn't represent the M.V.P to his team then what does it represent?? Most important player to the NFL???
Vick would win that every year.
 
Let me you ask you this then. If it doesn't represent the M.V.P to his team then what does it represent?? Most important player to the NFL???
I think "MVP" is mostly idiomatic and goes to the player with the most eye-popping stats seeing it's difficult to quantify anyone's "value."
 
Pathetic if they give any award to a player who serves a performance enhancing drug suspension
Short memory? Julius Peppers 2002
In the 2002 NFL Draft, Peppers was selected by the Carolina Panthers as the second overall pick. Peppers made an immediate impact and was named The NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year by the Associated Press. During his rookie season, Peppers tallied 28 tackles, 12 sacks, 1 interception, and 5 forced fumbles. On October 13, 2002, Peppers became only the third player in NFL history to amass three sacks and an interception in the same game; but with four games remaining in the season, Peppers was suspended for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy.
peppers tested positive for ephedramerriman tested positive for steroids

 
Pathetic if they give any award to a player who serves a performance enhancing drug suspension
Short memory? Julius Peppers 2002
In the 2002 NFL Draft, Peppers was selected by the Carolina Panthers as the second overall pick. Peppers made an immediate impact and was named The NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year by the Associated Press. During his rookie season, Peppers tallied 28 tackles, 12 sacks, 1 interception, and 5 forced fumbles. On October 13, 2002, Peppers became only the third player in NFL history to amass three sacks and an interception in the same game; but with four games remaining in the season, Peppers was suspended for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy.
peppers tested positive for ephedramerriman tested positive for steroids
Is there some point to this information other that they got suspended for using different banned performance enhancement substances? Are you implying getting banned for one or the other is somehow better or worse?
 
His stats are not dominating enough for him to win the MVP. If he had a couple highlight reel touchdowns it might be another story, but as of now, just leading the league in sacks isn't going to do it, especially if he barely wins the sack title. Probowl, for sure, he is actually leading the fan voting of OLB. The fact is he needed those games he sat out to accumulate the stats to win the award. And I'm not even touching on the issue of why he didnt play in those 4 games and how it would effect voters. If he replicates these stats again next season, over an entire 16 game schedule he will have a much better shot.

 
Pathetic if they give any award to a player who serves a performance enhancing drug suspension
Short memory? Julius Peppers 2002
In the 2002 NFL Draft, Peppers was selected by the Carolina Panthers as the second overall pick. Peppers made an immediate impact and was named The NFL Defensive Rookie of the Year by the Associated Press. During his rookie season, Peppers tallied 28 tackles, 12 sacks, 1 interception, and 5 forced fumbles. On October 13, 2002, Peppers became only the third player in NFL history to amass three sacks and an interception in the same game; but with four games remaining in the season, Peppers was suspended for violating the NFL's substance abuse policy.
peppers tested positive for ephedramerriman tested positive for steroids
Is there some point to this information other that they got suspended for using different banned performance enhancement substances? Are you implying getting banned for one or the other is somehow better or worse?
I'd agree with that implication.
 
I think Jason Taylor's the correct pick. Funny too, because he's the one ESPN's been pushing and I usually vehemently disagree with them.

A key fact here, which very few realize, is that an elite DE who can rush the passer and stop the run will ALWAYS be more valuable than just about any LB. Even the Hall of Fame LBs need help in front of them to play their best, while top DEs and shutdown corners can make a huge impact entirely on their own.

You could actually make a case that the few elite nose tackles (i.e. Casey Hampton, Jamal Williams) are up there in value with top LBs as well. They just get practically no stats at all, so they go unnoticed.

-Josh

 
peppers tested positive for ephedra

merriman tested positive for steroids
Is there some point to this information other that they got suspended for using different banned performance enhancement substances? Are you implying getting banned for one or the other is somehow better or worse?
I'd agree with that implication.
You'd agree simply that there is an implication? Or agrre that getting banned for one or the other is somehow better or worse? Please explain if it's the latter.

 
Jason Taylor should win in a landslide IMO. It will be between him and Urlacher. Merriman is still overrated in my opinion.

 
peppers tested positive for ephedramerriman tested positive for steroids
Is there some point to this information other that they got suspended for using different banned performance enhancement substances? Are you implying getting banned for one or the other is somehow better or worse?
I think if Merriman injected steroids with a needle, that is worse than taking ephedra. If he took the steroids accidentally, that is not worse.In any case, Merriman should be no better than third behind Urlacher and Taylor this year in the MVP voting. If Merriman had played 16 games, however, he might have gotten 20 sacks.
 
peppers tested positive for ephedra

merriman tested positive for steroids
Is there some point to this information other that they got suspended for using different banned performance enhancement substances? Are you implying getting banned for one or the other is somehow better or worse?
I'd agree with that implication.
You'd agree simply that there is an implication? Or agrre that getting banned for one or the other is somehow better or worse? Please explain if it's the latter.
It's the latter.I don't want to get this thread into too much of a tangent with the discussion of this drug vs. that drug.

My personal belief is that steroids are worse than ephedra for the integrity of a player's given potential phsyical ability and skill set and therefore the integrity of the game.

FWIW, I also believe that cocaine is worse than marijuana and I'd rather watch paint dry than watch golf on TV.

 
My personal belief is that steroids are worse than ephedra for the integrity of a player's given potential phsyical ability and skill set and therefore the integrity of the game.
Thanks for the honesty. I was hoping you were in pharmaceuticals or something and could give a scientific explanation of how one would be worse than the other in this context, but I guess that wouldn't be your thing.I disagree with your belief.

 
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My personal belief is that steroids are worse than ephedra for the integrity of a player's given potential phsyical ability and skill set and therefore the integrity of the game.
Thanks for the honesty. I was hoping you were in pharmaceuticals or something and could give a scientific explanation of how one would be worse than the other in this context, but I guess that wouldn't be your thing.
No not my thing.I guess the question to frame any discussion is how you define "worse".

Worse for the players health?

Worse for the integrity of the game?

Worse for the sport in general?

BTW, I'm not a politician or a plumber either but that doesn't stop me from believing that campaign finance reform is a good thing or that PVC tubing rocks!

 

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