Shonn Greene is weak like Ukraine (1 Viewer)

[Kilgore]

People fall on the ball all the time. Play through the pain.

That is all.

 

[Joe Summer]

Shonn Greene is game to you??

 

[Widbil83]

I'm an Iowa fan and have followed Greene for years, but the guy just stinks. I have no idea why people draft him remotely high every year.

 

[The General]

Maybe he fell on the pointy part though.

 

[E_Smith]

I needed a big game from him last night and figures he gets hurt w/ LT out no less. So Romo plays w/ cracked ribs and a punctured lung and this guy falls on the ball and is out for the game? wtf?

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

His ribs weren't even broken....

 

[Resident A]

In communist Russia, ribs break you...

 

[Shutout]

Wonder how long it is before the question arises of whether Joe McKnight should be given a chance...or maybe it has been asked already. I don't know. I don't watch the Jets games very closely usually unless it is the only game on.

After watching Greene vs. the patriots and McKnight last night, it just appears on the surface that McKnight has some burst to him that the other guys seem not to have (or use).

 

[ldizzle]

Wonder how long it is before the question arises of whether Joe McKnight should be given a chance...or maybe it has been asked already. I don't know. I don't watch the Jets games very closely usually unless it is the only game on.After watching Greene vs. the patriots and McKnight last night, it just appears on the surface that McKnight has some burst to him that the other guys seem not to have (or use).

it was reported that greene could have went back out there the second half and was standing on the sidelines? he said that the coaches thought that mcknight had the hot hand. mcknight had 120 sumthin yds last night, greene owners should be concerned.

 

[kentric]

It doesn't matter who gets a chance if the Jets O-line blocks like it did yesterday and the defence isn't worried about Sanchez' arm.

 

[Banger]

Greene stinks...the only thing he has/had going for him was opportunity and now that may ever be up for debate....

 

[Romulan]

Poor Ukraine gets a bad rap in this thread...

 

[Shutout]

Greene stinks...the only thing he has/had going for him was opportunity and now that may ever be up for debate....

Really? You think there was enough there to suggest Greene may not keep his job?

 

[az_prof]

Greene stinks...the only thing he has/had going for him was opportunity and now that may ever be up for debate....

Really? You think there was enough there to suggest Greene may not keep his job?

Well, the team is 5-5 and under performing. They need to make some changes. Why not start at HB? It isn't like Greene has ever done anything that great or is a HOF player or anything. McKnight has more burst and a better chance of busting a big run.

 

[Banger]

Greene stinks...the only thing he has/had going for him was opportunity and now that may ever be up for debate....

Really? You think there was enough there to suggest Greene may not keep his job?

not necessarily but what has he done all year? I can't remember one play where I said "wow!, that was sweet." It's 3.7 yards and fall over. They were super bowl bound supposedly and they lost on the road to the Broncos last night. I don't think anything is sacred at this point and if it was true that Greene was ok to come in in the 2nd half but McKnight was the hot hand, that speaks volumes. Sanchez is terrible too but they aren't switching QBs....ETA...sorry didn't see AZ_prof's post...said basically the same thing...

 

[Banger]

Greene has 145 rushes and has 2 20+ yard runs (20, 24) and 7 10-19 yard rushes (10, 10, 10, 12, 12, 15, 15). Greene hasn't had 120 yards of offense 1 time this year or last year and you have to go to the playoffs in 2009 for 120+ yards of offense from him...last night McKnight had 120 in his 1st significant action of the year.

 

[Boone22]

Greene has 145 rushes and has 2 20+ yard runs (20, 24) and 7 10-19 yard rushes (10, 10, 10, 12, 12, 15, 15). Greene hasn't had 120 yards of offense 1 time this year or last year and you have to go to the playoffs in 2009 for 120+ yards of offense from him...last night McKnight had 120 in his 1st significant action of the year.

And McKnight can catch.

 

[fulton]

Just wondering, have Shonn Greene and Rudi Johnson ever been seen together?

 

[hankstr]

Peyton Hillis should tell Shonn how to man up. And Moldova could kick Ukraine's arsey.

 

[fulton]

I'm not sure Paris Hilton could get Shonn to man up.

 

[rizzler]

Ukraine is strong, like bull!!!

(does anyone even get the joke, or is this flying by everyone's head?)

 

[Shutout]

Greene has 145 rushes and has 2 20+ yard runs (20, 24) and 7 10-19 yard rushes (10, 10, 10, 12, 12, 15, 15). Greene hasn't had 120 yards of offense 1 time this year or last year and you have to go to the playoffs in 2009 for 120+ yards of offense from him...last night McKnight had 120 in his 1st significant action of the year.

Wow, that IS pretty pedestrian.Yeah, I just saw something where Rex Ryan is backing his QB to the max so I guess if something else must be shaken up, it might be in the ground and pound department. I can't imagine they would go back to LT at this point full time either.

 

[Patoons]

Wonder how long it is before the question arises of whether Joe McKnight should be given a chance...or maybe it has been asked already. I don't know. I don't watch the Jets games very closely usually unless it is the only game on.After watching Greene vs. the patriots and McKnight last night, it just appears on the surface that McKnight has some burst to him that the other guys seem not to have (or use).

McKnight should have been given a chance 5 weeks ago. He's quicker, gets more than 3 yards and shows some nice running between the tackles where he previoulsy struggled. Greene isn't dynamic and is better as the hammer coming in during the 3rd and 4th quarter when the defense is worn down. McKnight's main downfall is that he can't pass protect and once LT is back, that should keep him from getting 3rd down situations. I thought McKnight should have been given more carries earlier this year and last night only proves why. Over 100 total yards in roughly 3 quarters. I'll take that any week.

 

[Raider Nation]

Ukraine is strong, like bull!!!

(does anyone even get the joke, or is this flying by everyone's head?)

We get it.

 

[The Kuhn]

Wonder how long it is before the question arises of whether Joe McKnight should be given a chance...or maybe it has been asked already. I don't know. I don't watch the Jets games very closely usually unless it is the only game on.After watching Greene vs. the patriots and McKnight last night, it just appears on the surface that McKnight has some burst to him that the other guys seem not to have (or use).

McKnight should have been given a chance 5 weeks ago. He's quicker, gets more than 3 yards and shows some nice running between the tackles where he previoulsy struggled. Greene isn't dynamic and is better as the hammer coming in during the 3rd and 4th quarter when the defense is worn down. McKnight's main downfall is that he can't pass protect and once LT is back, that should keep him from getting 3rd down situations. I thought McKnight should have been given more carries earlier this year and last night only proves why. Over 100 total yards in roughly 3 quarters. I'll take that any week.

Greene has been getting 4-5 yds per carry in the last couple weeks (when he's been healthy). The main problem is that they are horrible punching in a TD from the goal line formation, and Greene should have had 2 TDs in the game a couple weeks back when he went out with a mild concussion (LT and Connor got the TDs). Greene has also had a good game this season both receiving and rushing (vs SD maybe?). The offense just seems to lack any real identity or commitment to gameplan. They keep preaching 'ground and pound' but the moment they start getting behind or get a penalty, it's like they freak out and think they have to pass.Honestly, I don't think any of the RBs are worth depending on as long as they continue to think they need to put the game on Sanchez's shoulders when things start looking bad.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Greene has cemented his position as a DO NOT DRAFT player for me.

 

[Patoons]

Wonder how long it is before the question arises of whether Joe McKnight should be given a chance...or maybe it has been asked already. I don't know. I don't watch the Jets games very closely usually unless it is the only game on.After watching Greene vs. the patriots and McKnight last night, it just appears on the surface that McKnight has some burst to him that the other guys seem not to have (or use).

McKnight should have been given a chance 5 weeks ago. He's quicker, gets more than 3 yards and shows some nice running between the tackles where he previoulsy struggled. Greene isn't dynamic and is better as the hammer coming in during the 3rd and 4th quarter when the defense is worn down. McKnight's main downfall is that he can't pass protect and once LT is back, that should keep him from getting 3rd down situations. I thought McKnight should have been given more carries earlier this year and last night only proves why. Over 100 total yards in roughly 3 quarters. I'll take that any week.

Greene has been getting 4-5 yds per carry in the last couple weeks (when he's been healthy). The main problem is that they are horrible punching in a TD from the goal line formation, and Greene should have had 2 TDs in the game a couple weeks back when he went out with a mild concussion (LT and Connor got the TDs). Greene has also had a good game this season both receiving and rushing (vs SD maybe?). The offense just seems to lack any real identity or commitment to gameplan. They keep preaching 'ground and pound' but the moment they start getting behind or get a penalty, it's like they freak out and think they have to pass.Honestly, I don't think any of the RBs are worth depending on as long as they continue to think they need to put the game on Sanchez's shoulders when things start looking bad.

Sure he's been better recently, but one of the big reasons he's gotten 4-5 ypc the last few weeks is because it's been against some of the worst run defenses in the league. TDs aren't the issue with Greene, it's the fact that he's a one-dimensonal back, who looks for contact, and is not very good with the cut-back. McKnight is the exact opposite.Taking Greene's solid performances in a little more context:- NE 13-61 yds (4.7 avg) -- 9th against the run, but only 217 att for the year, which is the 6th least in the league- BUF 19-76 yds (4.0 avg) -- 23rd against run- SD 20-112 yds (5.6 avg) -- 24th against the run- NE 21-83 yds (4.0 ypc) -- same as aboveSo, 4 of 9 games (not including last night) where he's had 4.0 ypc or more it was against a solid rushing defense and it's against a team that isn't challenged all that much because they've been up in games quite a bit.Even if we say those 4 games are solid performances, that's 4 games of 9. Not what you want from your bell-cow. There are too many instances where he runs into the pile and gets a 1-2 yd gain putting the Jets in a 2nd/3rd and long position. It's not a recipe for success. The bottom line is that Greene is a one-dimensional player. He runs north-south and limited in pass catching ability. McKnight puts the defenses on guard a bit more given that he's now shown he can run north-south, he has the quickness to take it outside, and is solid catching the ball. I'd much prefer a guy like that out of the backfield than the one-dimensional Greene.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Not sticking up for Shonn, but watch the replay. It was the 2nd defender, coming over the top of the tackle, that caught Greene in the back/ribs with a knee. Knees can cause some pretty serious pain/injury. Seen plenty of RBs & tacklers get concussions from knees.

 

[habsfan]

Shon is soft.. like belly of puppy!

 

[3nOut]

People fall on the ball all the time. Play through the pain. That is all.

Don't get the Ukraine reference.

 

[Dizzy]

And McKnight can catch.

But can he pick up the blitz?

 

[Raider Nation]

People fall on the ball all the time. Play through the pain. That is all.

Don't get the Ukraine reference.

Read the whole thread?

 

[Patoons]

And McKnight can catch.

But can he pick up the blitz?

No that's something he needs to improve on. When LT is back he won't get 3rd downs at all.That said, he atleast adds another threat when he's back there on 1st/2nd down to catch out of the backfield on a screen or flat route.

 

[3nOut]

People fall on the ball all the time. Play through the pain. That is all.

Don't get the Ukraine reference.

Read the whole thread?

Yes I have. Still makes no sense. Maybe it's just :whoosh:

 

[Joe Summer]

People fall on the ball all the time. Play through the pain. That is all.

Don't get the Ukraine reference.

Read the whole thread?

Yes I have. Still makes no sense. Maybe it's just :whoosh:

It's from an episode of Seinfeld. Kramer and Newman are playing an epic game of Risk that has become so intense that they took the game board onto the subway:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_NSLig-wqII#t=00m10s

 

[Raider Nation]

People fall on the ball all the time. Play through the pain. That is all.

Don't get the Ukraine reference.

Read the whole thread?

Yes I have. Still makes no sense. Maybe it's just :whoosh:

It's from an episode of Seinfeld. Kramer and Newman are playing an epic game of Risk that has become so intense that they took the game board onto the subway:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_NSLig-wqII#t=00m10s

As I pointed out in post #24.

 

[Phenix]

People fall on the ball all the time. Play through the pain. That is all.

Don't get the Ukraine reference.

Read the whole thread?

Yes I have. Still makes no sense. Maybe it's just :whoosh:

It's from an episode of Seinfeld. Kramer and Newman are playing an epic game of Risk that has become so intense that they took the game board onto the subway:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_NSLig-wqII#t=00m10s

As I pointed out in post #24.

its amazing so many people have not seen Seifeld. "no soup for you"

 

[knowledge dropper]

And McKnight can catch.

But can he pick up the blitz?

Wouldn't a missed blitz pickup also solve another one of their problems?

 

[Hairy Snowman]

I thought he took a knee to the rib cage by a defensive lineman on the play and then fell on the ball. Ever take a knee to the side from a 280+ pound man?

 

[DrapedInVelvet]

I thought he took a knee to the rib cage by a defensive lineman on the play and then fell on the ball. Ever take a knee to the side from a 280+ pound man?

Ever get paid to play professional football?

 

[The Kuhn]

Wonder how long it is before the question arises of whether Joe McKnight should be given a chance...or maybe it has been asked already. I don't know. I don't watch the Jets games very closely usually unless it is the only game on.After watching Greene vs. the patriots and McKnight last night, it just appears on the surface that McKnight has some burst to him that the other guys seem not to have (or use).

McKnight should have been given a chance 5 weeks ago. He's quicker, gets more than 3 yards and shows some nice running between the tackles where he previoulsy struggled. Greene isn't dynamic and is better as the hammer coming in during the 3rd and 4th quarter when the defense is worn down. McKnight's main downfall is that he can't pass protect and once LT is back, that should keep him from getting 3rd down situations. I thought McKnight should have been given more carries earlier this year and last night only proves why. Over 100 total yards in roughly 3 quarters. I'll take that any week.

Greene has been getting 4-5 yds per carry in the last couple weeks (when he's been healthy). The main problem is that they are horrible punching in a TD from the goal line formation, and Greene should have had 2 TDs in the game a couple weeks back when he went out with a mild concussion (LT and Connor got the TDs). Greene has also had a good game this season both receiving and rushing (vs SD maybe?). The offense just seems to lack any real identity or commitment to gameplan. They keep preaching 'ground and pound' but the moment they start getting behind or get a penalty, it's like they freak out and think they have to pass.Honestly, I don't think any of the RBs are worth depending on as long as they continue to think they need to put the game on Sanchez's shoulders when things start looking bad.

Sure he's been better recently, but one of the big reasons he's gotten 4-5 ypc the last few weeks is because it's been against some of the worst run defenses in the league. TDs aren't the issue with Greene, it's the fact that he's a one-dimensonal back, who looks for contact, and is not very good with the cut-back. McKnight is the exact opposite.Taking Greene's solid performances in a little more context:- NE 13-61 yds (4.7 avg) -- 9th against the run, but only 217 att for the year, which is the 6th least in the league- BUF 19-76 yds (4.0 avg) -- 23rd against run- SD 20-112 yds (5.6 avg) -- 24th against the run- NE 21-83 yds (4.0 ypc) -- same as aboveSo, 4 of 9 games (not including last night) where he's had 4.0 ypc or more it was against a solid rushing defense and it's against a team that isn't challenged all that much because they've been up in games quite a bit.Even if we say those 4 games are solid performances, that's 4 games of 9. Not what you want from your bell-cow. There are too many instances where he runs into the pile and gets a 1-2 yd gain putting the Jets in a 2nd/3rd and long position. It's not a recipe for success. The bottom line is that Greene is a one-dimensional player. He runs north-south and limited in pass catching ability. McKnight puts the defenses on guard a bit more given that he's now shown he can run north-south, he has the quickness to take it outside, and is solid catching the ball. I'd much prefer a guy like that out of the backfield than the one-dimensional Greene.

You're also forgetting that their starting center was out for most of the starting half of the season. Say what you will about Greene, but NO ONE was finding holes in the O-line when Mangold was out.McKnight has week 17 last year against a weak BUF D that had nothing to play for as his shining moment, but if Greene hadn't taken a knee to the ribs, he could have put up numbers similar to McKnight vs. DEN last week (LT wasn't there to steal carries either). I still blame the offensive playcalling for being the limiting factor here, and until there's a significant philosophy change, it will kill any potential from seeing a consistent fantasy RB1 in this offense.