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Should Jerry Jones be booted as an owner? (1 Viewer)

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Been having a conversation back and forth amongst some friends and figured it might be a good topic here.

It seems people have treated this Super Bowl stuff as the only time anything's been done that wasn't safe for fans, press, player, coaches etc. Remember the practice facility collapsed not too long ago?

So sure in the NFL world no owner gets booted-this topic is not WILL Jones be booted as an NFL owner but should he.

The side I've taken is that if you think of any other industry-he would be fired, have his franchise taken away, etc when that many customers get hurt, that many workers get hurt and that seriously.

Every business I worked for the safety of the people in it (workers, customers) was paramount to anything else.

 
Bri said:
Been having a conversation back and forth amongst some friends and figured it might be a good topic here.It seems people have treated this Super Bowl stuff as the only time anything's been done that wasn't safe for fans, press, player, coaches etc. Remember the practice facility collapsed not too long ago?So sure in the NFL world no owner gets booted-this topic is not WILL Jones be booted as an NFL owner but should he. The side I've taken is that if you think of any other industry-he would be fired, have his franchise taken away, etc when that many customers get hurt, that many workers get hurt and that seriously.Every business I worked for the safety of the people in it (workers, customers) was paramount to anything else.
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I hate Jones, but this is a pretty stupid topic. How many customers were hurt during the Super Bowl? The workers that were hurt from the falling ice is unfortunate but that is weather that Dallas is not equipped/prepared to handle correct?
 
thayman said:
How many customers were hurt during the Super Bowl? The workers that were hurt from the falling ice is unfortunate but that is weather that Dallas is not equipped/prepared to handle correct?
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what about DeCammilis?
 
If you can figure out a way to fire the owner of a team I would think Detroit and Cleveland fans might find that information interesting.

 
Bri said:
Been having a conversation back and forth amongst some friends and figured it might be a good topic here.

It seems people have treated this Super Bowl stuff as the only time anything's been done that wasn't safe for fans, press, player, coaches etc. Remember the practice facility collapsed not too long ago?

So sure in the NFL world no owner gets booted-this topic is not WILL Jones be booted as an NFL owner but should he.

The side I've taken is that if you think of any other industry-he would be fired, have his franchise taken away, etc when that many customers get hurt, that many workers get hurt and that seriously.

Every business I worked for the safety of the people in it (workers, customers) was paramount to anything else.
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Figured wrong.
 
Carolina Hustler said:
The contractor who told them he could get the job done in time is to blame.... Not Jerry Jones :blackdot:
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Yup. Seating Solutions should be out of business after this debacle. They dragged their heels, never followed up on issues addressed by inspectors (going so far as to call them "overzealous", as if safety was this annoying obstacle in their way).Jones is culpable insomuch as he is the owner of that stadium and has oversight of his facility. The NFL is culpable insomuch as they hired Seating Solutions, in the first place. I suspect they trusted that his contractor would come through in the end. Maybe they didn't lean hard enough on them. But, as the dust is starting to settle, it does appear that the NFL, Cowboys were trying to prod these guys along to complete what they agreed they could and would complete...and it just never happened.
 
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fatness said:
Carolina Hustler said:
The contractor who told them he could get the job done in time is to blame....
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Wasn't the contractor supposedly to blame when their practice stadium roof collapsed and injured people also?
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I would say whoever designed the structure, or the engineer is to blame on that one... Unless the structure wasn't constructed properly...

If Jerry Jones was warned by the Architect, Engineer, and/or Contractor who erected the structure, that it wouldn't last, or that it would likely fail, then it would be his fault. Otherwise, he should be able to trust state licensed professionals..

 
Do you have any clue how many new revenue streams Jones has created for the other owners. Every owner in the league has but millions and millions in thier pockets because of Jones.

 
Bri said:
Been having a conversation back and forth amongst some friends and figured it might be a good topic here.It seems people have treated this Super Bowl stuff as the only time anything's been done that wasn't safe for fans, press, player, coaches etc. Remember the practice facility collapsed not too long ago?So sure in the NFL world no owner gets booted-this topic is not WILL Jones be booted as an NFL owner but should he. The side I've taken is that if you think of any other industry-he would be fired, have his franchise taken away, etc when that many customers get hurt, that many workers get hurt and that seriously.Every business I worked for the safety of the people in it (workers, customers) was paramount to anything else.
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They let Mike Brown keep the Bengals, so I'm sure they'll let Jerry keep the Cowboys.That said, it really is appalling what happened with that Super Bowl. You can be quite certain that they're never gonna get the game there again. His image within that club of owners should suffer as well.-QG
 
I hate the Cowboys. And no way should Jones get booted. In fact, I don't think it's even possible to do such a thing. If it was possible, Al Davis would have been "booted" years ago. No, no, and more no.

 
Only example of something like this that comes to mind...

Relevant passage:

"The disagreements between owners came to a head in 1917, when the NHA suspended operations in order to get rid of an unwanted owner (Eddie Livingstone). The remaining NHA team owners started the NHL in parallel as a temporary measure, to continue play while negotiations went on with Livingstone and other lawsuits were pending. A year later, after no progress was reached with Livingstone, the other NHA owners decided to permanently suspend the NHA. The NHA's rules, constitution and trophies were continued in the NHL."

Pretty funny way to form a league I have to say :thumbup:

-QG

 
QuizGuy66 said:
Bri said:
Been having a conversation back and forth amongst some friends and figured it might be a good topic here.It seems people have treated this Super Bowl stuff as the only time anything's been done that wasn't safe for fans, press, player, coaches etc. Remember the practice facility collapsed not too long ago?So sure in the NFL world no owner gets booted-this topic is not WILL Jones be booted as an NFL owner but should he. The side I've taken is that if you think of any other industry-he would be fired, have his franchise taken away, etc when that many customers get hurt, that many workers get hurt and that seriously.Every business I worked for the safety of the people in it (workers, customers) was paramount to anything else.
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They let Mike Brown keep the Bengals, so I'm sure they'll let Jerry keep the Cowboys.That said, it really is appalling what happened with that Super Bowl. You can be quite certain that they're never gonna get the game there again. His image within that club of owners should suffer as well.-QG
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No. It's pretty certain that Dallas will get another SB, and his image amongst other owners won't suffer in the slightest. Dallas was a huge draw and will be a huge draw again. It was executed well below expectations, and even despite that, it's the best venue for a pro football game as there is. Let's not over-react here.
 
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cobalt_27 said:
QuizGuy66 said:
Bri said:
Been having a conversation back and forth amongst some friends and figured it might be a good topic here.

It seems people have treated this Super Bowl stuff as the only time anything's been done that wasn't safe for fans, press, player, coaches etc. Remember the practice facility collapsed not too long ago?

So sure in the NFL world no owner gets booted-this topic is not WILL Jones be booted as an NFL owner but should he.

The side I've taken is that if you think of any other industry-he would be fired, have his franchise taken away, etc when that many customers get hurt, that many workers get hurt and that seriously.

Every business I worked for the safety of the people in it (workers, customers) was paramount to anything else.
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They let Mike Brown keep the Bengals, so I'm sure they'll let Jerry keep the Cowboys.That said, it really is appalling what happened with that Super Bowl. You can be quite certain that they're never gonna get the game there again. His image within that club of owners should suffer as well.

-QG
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No. It's pretty certain that Dallas will get another SB, and his image amongst other owners won't suffer in the slightest. Dallas was a huge draw and will be a huge draw again. It was executed well below expectations, and even despite that, it's the best venue for a pro football game as there is. Let's not over-react here.
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Mmmm... I would bet many here disagree with this statement. But I do agree Dallas will host another SB.
 
Can we boot Kraft, Richardson, and all of Goodell's bumchums that want an MLB style CBA structure too? If so, I'm totally good with that.

OK, sarcasm off now, the obvious answer is no. For all the things I dislike about the direction he wants to take football, Jerrah does more good than bad for the sport.

 
captain_amazing said:
cobalt_27 said:
QuizGuy66 said:
Bri said:
Been having a conversation back and forth amongst some friends and figured it might be a good topic here.

It seems people have treated this Super Bowl stuff as the only time anything's been done that wasn't safe for fans, press, player, coaches etc. Remember the practice facility collapsed not too long ago?

So sure in the NFL world no owner gets booted-this topic is not WILL Jones be booted as an NFL owner but should he.

The side I've taken is that if you think of any other industry-he would be fired, have his franchise taken away, etc when that many customers get hurt, that many workers get hurt and that seriously.

Every business I worked for the safety of the people in it (workers, customers) was paramount to anything else.
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They let Mike Brown keep the Bengals, so I'm sure they'll let Jerry keep the Cowboys.That said, it really is appalling what happened with that Super Bowl. You can be quite certain that they're never gonna get the game there again. His image within that club of owners should suffer as well.

-QG
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No. It's pretty certain that Dallas will get another SB, and his image amongst other owners won't suffer in the slightest. Dallas was a huge draw and will be a huge draw again. It was executed well below expectations, and even despite that, it's the best venue for a pro football game as there is. Let's not over-react here.
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Mmmm... I would bet many here disagree with this statement. But I do agree Dallas will host another SB.
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If they do get it again you can be sure that the NFL will have a much tighter handle on things.-QG

 
captain_amazing said:
cobalt_27 said:
QuizGuy66 said:
Bri said:
Been having a conversation back and forth amongst some friends and figured it might be a good topic here.

It seems people have treated this Super Bowl stuff as the only time anything's been done that wasn't safe for fans, press, player, coaches etc. Remember the practice facility collapsed not too long ago?

So sure in the NFL world no owner gets booted-this topic is not WILL Jones be booted as an NFL owner but should he.

The side I've taken is that if you think of any other industry-he would be fired, have his franchise taken away, etc when that many customers get hurt, that many workers get hurt and that seriously.

Every business I worked for the safety of the people in it (workers, customers) was paramount to anything else.
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They let Mike Brown keep the Bengals, so I'm sure they'll let Jerry keep the Cowboys.That said, it really is appalling what happened with that Super Bowl. You can be quite certain that they're never gonna get the game there again. His image within that club of owners should suffer as well.

-QG
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No. It's pretty certain that Dallas will get another SB, and his image amongst other owners won't suffer in the slightest. Dallas was a huge draw and will be a huge draw again. It was executed well below expectations, and even despite that, it's the best venue for a pro football game as there is. Let's not over-react here.
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Mmmm... I would bet many here disagree with this statement. But I do agree Dallas will host another SB.
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It's a matter of personal taste, absolutely. If you like it raw, Soldier Field and Lambeau are phenomenal, and offer a completely different experience compared to any other stadiums I've been to. In the new breed, Seattle was startlingly good, as well.But, there is no grander stage that I have ever seen than Jerry World. It is truly a behemoth and, while the antithesis of, say, Lambeau, it is absolutely a brilliant experience and will host many Super Bowls in our lifetime.

 
Bri said:
Been having a conversation back and forth amongst some friends and figured it might be a good topic here.It seems people have treated this Super Bowl stuff as the only time anything's been done that wasn't safe for fans, press, player, coaches etc. Remember the practice facility collapsed not too long ago?So sure in the NFL world no owner gets booted-this topic is not WILL Jones be booted as an NFL owner but should he. The side I've taken is that if you think of any other industry-he would be fired, have his franchise taken away, etc when that many customers get hurt, that many workers get hurt and that seriously.Every business I worked for the safety of the people in it (workers, customers) was paramount to anything else.
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He is the OWNER so him getting booted shouldn't even be an option. They are called property rights and they are instrumental to your freedom, read up about them. If he does anything wrong, he should be punished in a court of law. I'm not sure how this can even be a topic.
 
You can't fire an owner. You can:

a. kick his team out of the league.

b. give a offer he can't refuse to buy him out.

c. put tremendous pressure on him to sell by telling him how his or her actions are unacceptable and there will be fines and limitations on what he can do if he stays.

d. "kick him upstairs" - offer him a greater role in some other capacity or some other venture entirely where he makes more money.

e. offer a "golden parachute" where he gets a generous windfall payment for selling the team.

 
Bri said:
The side I've taken is that if you think of any other industry-he would be fired, have his franchise taken away, etc when that many customers get hurt, that many workers get hurt and that seriously.
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This is simply not true.
 
massraider said:
Bri said:
The side I've taken is that if you think of any other industry-he would be fired, have his franchise taken away, etc when that many customers get hurt, that many workers get hurt and that seriously.
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This is simply not true.
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Pay him no attention. He is simply yet another Redskin fan who has an inferiority complex. It's sorta weird that they concentrate more on their rival then they do their own team.
 
So the NFL should forcibly take a business away from a owner...? :thumbup: If the NFL has done nothing with the Fords, Al Davis, Dan Snyder, or others,

then why would they do something with Jerry Jones? This isn't the Communist States of America.... yet!

 
Carolina Hustler said:
fatness said:
Carolina Hustler said:
The contractor who told them he could get the job done in time is to blame....
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Wasn't the contractor supposedly to blame when their practice stadium roof collapsed and injured people also?
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I would say whoever designed the structure, or the engineer is to blame on that one... Unless the structure wasn't constructed properly...

If Jerry Jones was warned by the Architect, Engineer, and/or Contractor who erected the structure, that it wouldn't last, or that it would likely fail, then it would be his fault. Otherwise, he should be able to trust state licensed professionals..
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If it were a school, I wonder what people would say. Would people defend the school district Board? Or would they say "The Board is responsible for knowing? The Board is where the buck stops? The Board should have held the contractor or architects accountable and done better oversight?" As a former school board member, I know the answer to those questions. There would be a recall election. No doubt.

But nonetheless, I don't know enough about this situation to say that Jones should lose his team. Certainly the league could force an owner if they wanted. Don't think it has ever happened, but it could. If a player did something this stupid, at a minimum they would be fined. That would be a good place to start.

 
Sinrman said:
So the NFL should forcibly take a business away from a owner...? :P If the NFL has done nothing with the Fords, Al Davis, Dan Snyder, or others,then why would they do something with Jerry Jones? This isn't the Communist States of America.... yet!
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Actually, it is the Communist State of Football. First, we have publicly paid for stadiums. That's not capitalistic. Not in the least.Second, players have no say where they work. They are drafted and told what company they will work for. Sounds a lot like Communism where the State told you where you would work. You have league fines and suspensions for players--yet those players don't work for the league, they work for a team don't they? Sounds like authoritarianism to me.And capitalism is about companies competing with each other for customers and revenue. But the NFL doesn't do that. They share revenue and they manipulate player salaries through a collective bargaining agreement. All of this violates Anti-Trust laws, but we give sports teams an exception for some reason. Basically, they do not function as a private company but as a shared corporation.
 
if i was a cowboys fan i would want mr jones gone...what has he done...not a thing. sure he has done well on the business side of the sport but he has not put a quality product on the field...and that is the bottom line.

 
2323 said:
if i was a cowboys fan i would want mr jones gone...what has he done...not a thing. sure he has done well on the business side of the sport but he has not put a quality product on the field...and that is the bottom line.
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Gees, do you understand the NFL at all?Not a thing? Seriously? 3 Super Bowl wins, please you lost all credibility!

 
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az_prof said:
Sinrman said:
So the NFL should forcibly take a business away from a owner...? :goodposting: If the NFL has done nothing with the Fords, Al Davis, Dan Snyder, or others,then why would they do something with Jerry Jones? This isn't the Communist States of America.... yet!
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Actually, it is the Communist State of Football. First, we have publicly paid for stadiums. That's not capitalistic. Not in the least.Second, players have no say where they work. They are drafted and told what company they will work for. Sounds a lot like Communism where the State told you where you would work. You have league fines and suspensions for players--yet those players don't work for the league, they work for a team don't they? Sounds like authoritarianism to me.And capitalism is about companies competing with each other for customers and revenue. But the NFL doesn't do that. They share revenue and they manipulate player salaries through a collective bargaining agreement. All of this violates Anti-Trust laws, but we give sports teams an exception for some reason. Basically, they do not function as a private company but as a shared corporation.
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Its just like banks, as they are allowed to do the Ponzi Scheme everyday (Loaning money they dont have, but get away with it because they "say" its insured), but we just go with it...like the NFL.Government will never mess with people bringing them the money.
 
I don't think that Jones should be removed as an owner, but I do think that he should not be allowed to speak to the media on behalf of the owners about the labor situation. It's pretty tough to feel sorry for him and believe how bad he says things are, when he just constructed a $1.3 BILLION stadium.

 
The day they start removing owners is the day Daniel Snyder looks for a new hobby. If there was a hypothetical list of owners who would be removed, Jones wouldn't be top 10.

 
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