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Should Randy Moss Be A Hall of Famer? (1 Viewer)

Should Randy Moss be in the Hall of Fame?

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Hugonel

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I was thinking about the same topic yesterday after I heard Moss was fired. I, for one, quickly concluded there's no way the guy should be in the hall of fame.

Don't recall who, but last night a sports commentator referred to Moss as a likely future hall of famer.

I think the hall embodies not only talented players but also players who embody the spirit of the game. They can be egomaniacs and complete tools, but if they don't play hard they should NOT be inducted.

Your thoughts?

Vote as to whether you think he SHOULD be in the HOF, not whether you think he WILL be.

 
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easy one, yes. he might be a #####, but i'm not voting on his character. i'm voting on what he's done on the field. based on that, i think he's one of the best wr's to ever play.

 
Poll is going to be a landslide. He's a HOFer. As a Giants fan, I can't pass judgment on a players actions off the field, not with Lawrence Taylor enshrined.

Moss was one of the best, if not the best WR in the post Jerry Rice world. If he's not a HOFer, I'm not sure who is.

 
He could have a tough time getting in first time with guys like Hines Ward likely to be eligible around the same time.

 
Seriously? So the guy might get up and leave halfway through his induction speech, but his bust will still be there forever. He's only the best WR this side of Jerry Rice...

 
Well Duh. People don't say "You got Riced on" they say "You got Mossed on." It bothers me how off-field issues often distort how talented the player is.

 
We aren't talking about OFF the field issues. How many players are in the HOF that have a history, throughout their careers, of only playing hard when they darn well feel like it?

It's about as ON the field as you can get.

So, regardless of consistently and deliberately dogging it, letting down the fans, his team and the people that invest millions of dollars in him, we still think, "Hey, this is type of guy that deserves the highest possible honor we can give him."?

 
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My metric has always been can the story of th eNFL be told absent the story of the individual. If not, then the individual belongs in the hall of fame.

Randy Moss has caught 948 passes for 14,778 yards and 153 touchdowns. He was an integral part of a very good Vikings squad that went 15 -1 and of a patriots squad that went undefeated in the rgular season. He contributed mightily to Tom Brady having a record season. He has also been an enigmatic character, or sometimes enigmatic for a lack of the same. I do not appreciate players who "dog it". I do not appreciate players who have off the field issues with meter maids and hookers on boats. Still, I do not see how one can ignore his accomplishments.

Character may be something that can enhance one's candidacy, but absent disgustingly tragic and felonious flaws I do not think it should keep one out.

 
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Hugonel said:
We aren't talking about OFF the field issues. How many players are in the HOF that have a history, throughout their careers, of only playing hard when they darn well feel like it?It's about as ON the field as you can get.
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I know what your getting at and what you are trying to say.But the guy was one of the most feared, productive, and talented WR's to EVER play the game for over a decade.There are probably many cases of players "quiting" that we just never hear about.
 
He'll make it, but I am sticking to what I have said all along: voters won't let him in the first year. They will make him wait a year or two, as punishment for all of his baggage. Being a first ballot HoFer is considered a huge honor. Moss is not deserving of that honor, and enough voters will agree to where he won't be a first balloter.

 
Not sure everyone read the OP very well. Nobody is, or has, questioned whether Moss will be in the HOF, but whether he SHOULD be in the HOF. The way he quit on Oakland is legendary...but not in a good way. His attitude and propensity to quit on plays and teams are negative attributes that some folks feel should disqualify him. Right or wrong...it's a legit question.

 
Ghost Rider said:
He'll make it, but I am sticking to what I have said all along: voters won't let him in the first year. They will make him wait a year or two, as punishment for all of his baggage. Being a first ballot HoFer is considered a huge honor. Moss is not deserving of that honor, and enough voters will agree to where he won't be a first balloter.
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That will really teach him.
 
Hugonel said:
I was thinking about the same topic yesterday after I heard Moss was fired. I, for one, quickly concluded there's no way the guy should be in the hall of fame.

Don't recall who, but last night a sports commentator referred to Moss as a likely future hall of famer.

I think the hall embodies not only talented players but also players who embody the spirit of the game. They can be egomaniacs and complete tools, but if they don't play hard they should NOT be inducted.

Your thoughts?

Vote as to whether you think he SHOULD be in the HOF, not whether you think he WILL be.
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Then a lot of guys in the HOF wouldn't be there.
 
Donsmith753 said:
Baron Samedi said:
Donsmith753 said:
He could have a tough time getting in first time with guys like Hines Ward likely to be eligible around the same time.
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WHAT?? :shrug:
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sarcasm's hard to get across on the internet.
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I wasn't being sarcastic I was actually dumbfounded that someone could even think this let alone post it. Hines ward doesnt belong in the same thought let alone sentence as Randy Moss. You really believe Hines Ward is more worthy of the HOF than Randy?
 
VaTerp said:
Ghost Rider said:
He'll make it, but I am sticking to what I have said all along: voters won't let him in the first year. They will make him wait a year or two, as punishment for all of his baggage. Being a first ballot HoFer is considered a huge honor. Moss is not deserving of that honor, and enough voters will agree to where he won't be a first balloter.
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That will really teach him.
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Maybe you aren't aware of this, but all players want to end up in the Hall of Fame, and once they reach a point where they are a virtual Hall lock, which Moss is, they want to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. It is a huge honor to go in on the first ballot. HTH.
 
Ghost Rider said:
VaTerp said:
Ghost Rider said:
He'll make it, but I am sticking to what I have said all along: voters won't let him in the first year. They will make him wait a year or two, as punishment for all of his baggage. Being a first ballot HoFer is considered a huge honor. Moss is not deserving of that honor, and enough voters will agree to where he won't be a first balloter.
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That will really teach him.
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Maybe you aren't aware of this, but all players want to end up in the Hall of Fame, and once they reach a point where they are a virtual Hall lock, which Moss is, they want to be a first ballot Hall of Famer. It is a huge honor to go in on the first ballot. HTH.
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:) Thanks for the insight.

 
renesauz said:
Not sure everyone read the OP very well. Nobody is, or has, questioned whether Moss will be in the HOF, but whether he SHOULD be in the HOF. The way he quit on Oakland is legendary...but not in a good way. His attitude and propensity to quit on plays and teams are negative attributes that some folks feel should disqualify him. Right or wrong...it's a legit question.
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Nope, we all read the OP perfectly fine.
 
IMO Moss' lack of effort is overstated and regardless, I'm not sure where in the HOF criteria it says "must have played with full effort at all times in the opinion of writers and fans."

The fact that he accomplished what he did in the NFL with such a "lack of effort" is pretty amazing. The numbers speak for themselves. He will likely go down as the 2nd most prolific WR ever and was the biggest TD maker on the two most prolific offenses in NFL history.

Will and SHOULD be a HOF lock. And anyone who thinks otherwise needs to get off their soap box.

 
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Touchdown Syndrome said:
renesauz said:
Not sure everyone read the OP very well. Nobody is, or has, questioned whether Moss will be in the HOF, but whether he SHOULD be in the HOF. The way he quit on Oakland is legendary...but not in a good way. His attitude and propensity to quit on plays and teams are negative attributes that some folks feel should disqualify him. Right or wrong...it's a legit question.
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Nope, we all read the OP perfectly fine.
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I've seen numerous back and forth threads debating the best WR EVER. The argument almost always boils down to Rice vs. Moss. I'm not commenting on my thoughts about that debate, when people arguing AGAINST you, concede that you are the second best WR in the game, then yeah, I think you should be in the HOF. Mortal Lock first ballot HOFer. And rightly so.
 
Chairshot said:
Poll is going to be a landslide. He's a HOFer. As a Giants fan, I can't pass judgment on a players actions off the field, not with Lawrence Taylor enshrined. Moss was one of the best, if not the best WR in the post Jerry Rice world. If he's not a HOFer, I'm not sure who is.
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:yes: Also, Moss tries, I think his long strides even when going for balls looks like he is dogging it...he has been a great weapon for a long time. Does he hustle every play, no...Outside of Oakland he has been phenomenal...he probably has a right to be annoyed with Childress. he is actually a huge student of the game...He is far better than most of these guys as a person...no rape or guns or fights...
 
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Baron Samedi said:
Donsmith753 said:
Baron Samedi said:
Donsmith753 said:
He could have a tough time getting in first time with guys like Hines Ward likely to be eligible around the same time.
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WHAT?? :confused:
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sarcasm's hard to get across on the internet.
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I wasn't being sarcastic I was actually dumbfounded that someone could even think this let alone post it. Hines ward doesnt belong in the same thought let alone sentence as Randy Moss. You really believe Hines Ward is more worthy of the HOF than Randy?
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I know you weren't. I was! Although I'm sure there's a thread on wards HOF credentials
 
Moss is a lock for the 1st ballot. It would delegitimize the Hall of Fame if he didn't get it and make it look like a Club.

The guy's statistics alone require that he get in on the first ballot and he is arguably one of the top 3 WRs to ever play the game.

The criteria that some are discussing here is meaningful for bubble players. Not for a player of Moss' caliber.

BTW - T.O. is a lock on the 1st ballot too.

 
there are a lot of a-holes and curmudgeons in the NFL HoF ... I am frankly astonished that anyone said he shouldn't be

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Gachi said:
Well Duh. People don't say "You got Riced on" they say "You got Mossed on." It bothers me how off-field issues often distort how talented the player is.
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People say that? :confused:
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Maybe it's an "urban" thing, but it's used quite often where I'm from. It basically when a receiver catches the ball over the defender.
 
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