Cliff Clavin
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What does "an urban thing" mean?Maybe it's an "urban" thing, but it's used quite often where I'm from. It basically when a receiver catches the ball over the defender.Cliff Clavin said:People say that?Gachi said:
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Should Randy Moss Be A Hall of Famer? (1 Viewer)
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Masked Vigilante
Footballguy
1st ballot lock and will go in wearing a Patriots helmet. He is the 2nd greatest WR ever.
westbrook36
Footballguy
obviously yes
Vike Me
Footballguy
So was Cris Carter when he was first eligible. We see where that has gotten him...
Would OJ have made it if Nicole Simpson had been killed BEFORE he was elected into the HOF?FTR... I believe Moss is a lock, and I think he should go in the HOF. What I have a (relatively minor) issue with is the premise that stats aren't just the most important basis for judgin HOF worthiness, but that all other factors pale so much as to not matter at all. While I think in Moss' case his stats overcome a lot of deficiencies, I don't think it's unfair to ask at what point do otherwise HOF worthy stats NOT overcome similar deficiencies? IE: We tend to ignore the other stuff too quickly.footballnerd said:
nysportsfan
Footballguy
No brainer. Dude is a LOCK.
footballnerd
Footballguy
That's true, but if OJ is allowed to remain in the HOF should they really be nit picky about some snide remarks Moss said in the past.
The "most TD's of all time" etc., stats adequately immortalize fantastic physical talents. I completely respect everyone's right to believe that the HOF is completely about physical/mental gifts. But for crying out loud, at least recognize that others may respectfully disagree and believe that a player's other on-field attributes should play a role in granting HOF status to a player.The statistics are earned and stay with a player forever and can make that person remembered/revered. But the HOF is bestowed. HOF status is not a right. At least in the (minority) opinion of some, the most amazing physical and mental talent of all time should not be in the HOF if that player demonstrates the repeatedly willingness to quit on his team and fans when the player doesn't get his way.I teach my kids, "play hard or go home." I think that is the benchmark of a HOF player.
Warrior
Footballguy
I respectfully disagree. How many players do you see in the HOF that had crappy careers but were high-character, hard working guys? The HOF is for the best players that ever played the game, not the best personalities.Maybe in your personal HOF...but not the official NFL HOF...and the original question was whether or not he will make the HOF. Moss is a first-ballot lock, and rightly so.
It's also funny how his past few years of a virtually spotless record and almost perfect behaviour with NE is totally forgotten when he pulls up early on one play in Minnesota.
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I agree. Duds should not make the HOF. But neither should great players who don't play with heart on every play. I think that waters down the HOF just as much as putting a mediocre player in. I don't think we see many guys with crappy careers make it to the HOF. So why not also weed out someone who doesn't give his best?
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Yes, too many times we bring up questions similar to this when times are bad for that particular person. Randy Moss is easily a Hall of Famer.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Because even when he doesn't give his best, he is still, by far the best on the field. Few players in the history of the game have been as dominant a force as Moss. Did he dog it and take off plays? Probably. That doesn't take away what he did when he was playing at his highest level.
Don Hutson and Jerry Rice are already in the HOF, so whichever is second best is already there.
