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Should the commish take action? Looking for unbiased opinions (1 Viewer)

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FormerlyADog

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A team (second to last) dropped Tony Gonzalez last week to pick up another TE for his bye. I (second place) was able to pick him up off the waiver wire today as the #2 position. My current TE is Bennett.

My commish just texted me that he will be overriding the pickup. His only explanation was he hadn't noticed the other team had dropped him. He hasn't let me know exactly what he will be doing yet.

This is a money league. Only similar precedent this season is Ryan Matthews was dropped September 6th. Someone grabbed him off waivers. This was allowed.

Should the commish take action? What should he do?

Edit: Just to clarify. The commish would probably put Gonzo back on the team of the person who dropped him. He did not have #1 ww. He's not doing this for himself. It's to manage the integrity and competitiveness of the league.

Below are his notes to the league regarding this transaction:

Edit: Adding the Commish's comments to the league regarding this

Note 1:

I was just checking the transaction history and noticed that Ben dropped Tony Gonzalez for the Packers 2nd string TE the other week, presumably because Gonzalez was on bye.

I'm probably going to override this move, and will likely do so unless I hear a compelling reason not to. Gonzalez is the #1 TE in the league by games played, and "Josh" had Jacob Tamme sitting on his bench at the time of the transaction.

Serving notice here. I'll be making the move later in the day, after people have had a chance to offer input.

-"Commish"

Note 2:

Also, I should use this chance to make a PSA about transactions:

Please review your moves carefully. We've already had a few borderline drops, and this one was particularly egregious. If you make a move in error, let me know and I can correct your roster for you.

Otherwise, please just check on the logic of your moves. Don't drop top-tier players because they're on bye, especially when you've got scrubs sitting on your bench who can easily be dropped. You don't need to drop a player of the same position (you can drop a kicker to pick up a tight end, for example).

I'd like to be as laissez-faire about transactions, if possible. So please don't go nuts.

-"Commish"

The guy is new to our league.

He dropped VJax after week 1 with no reaction.

He dropped Stevie Johnson after week 3 with no reaction.

All of a sudden, there's a reaction

 
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Okay, I've read it again.

Why would he change anything? Does the commish have the #1 waiver priority? Even if he does, he better have one good ####### reason to change that ####.

 
No, he should not be overriding the pick up. I imagine he might try to justify it by saying it might not be in the best interest of the league blah blah blah, but he is wrong. He might just be mad because he missed out.

 
I am not a big fan of a commish stepping in, but could see where he is going with this (to discourage roster dumping)...with that said, a precedent has already been established with Matthews and that needs to be the first thing out of your mouth. When he says, "but he was injured", your reply is "everyone knew it would be temporary and Matthews was drafted much higher than Gonzo". If that does not solve it, you really do need to look for another league next year. GL.

 
his reasoning is he didnt notice the drop? So any time he doesnt notice a drop it gets overturned? PLEASE tell me the commish didnt have 1st WW priority...that would really blow.

 
Adding to the chorus of "huhs".

Either the Commish is being a complete ### (blocking someone else from picking up a player just because he didn't notice the guy was on waivers) or we're missing some facts.

 
NO EFFIN' WAY on the over ride. Inexcusable for him to even dangle it as an option/action. Ridiculous. If an owner is asleep at the wheel; so be it.

WTF is up with all of these wannabe fantasy dictators? You need to get the eff outta there next year if this is the type of "administration" that gets meted out.

Done.

 
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Leave this league. Shouldn't have to look over your shoulder with normal course of operations type stuff because the Commish is shady. This hobby is for enjoyment. Is it really enjoyable to deal with someone like this?

 
It's not the commish's responsibility to manage stupidity (which dropping Gonzo was). He has no justification to override this move.

EDIT: I do need to amend my statement. It IS the commissioner's responsibility to maintain the integrity of the league from someone who has "thrown in the towel" and is dumping their players. That's a judgement call by the commish. From the scenario you described, the person made the move to field a complete team, trying to be competitive, and not because they were "dumping" their quality players. If he was throwing in the towel, then the commish should also lock the team and find a replacement next season.

 
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'CamelGod said:
EDIT: I do need to amend my statement. It IS the commissioner's responsibility to maintain the integrity of the league from someone who has "thrown in the towel" and is dumping their players. That's a judgement call by the commish. From the scenario you described, the person made the move to field a complete team, trying to be competitive, and not because they were "dumping" their quality players. If he was throwing in the towel, then the commish should also lock the team and find a replacement next season.
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Yes, although I think a good commissioner should check with the rest of the league to see what they think, and at the very least should tell everyone in the league when he deems a team to be "dumping" players. Doesn't sound like this commish did either (although it could just be a poorly phrased txt).Basically, I think there are 2 acceptable outcomes here:

1) let the drop/add go through (that's what I'd do)

2) declare the original drop to have been "dumping", put Gonzo back on the team that dropped him, and lock its roster for the rest of the season (this would cause a huge number of problems, but I can see an argument for it if that team really is just screwing with the league).

What is not acceptable is blocking the add, but leaving Gonzo on waivers for other teams to pick up.

 
'Quibbler said:
'CamelGod said:
EDIT: I do need to amend my statement. It IS the commissioner's responsibility to maintain the integrity of the league from someone who has "thrown in the towel" and is dumping their players. That's a judgement call by the commish. From the scenario you described, the person made the move to field a complete team, trying to be competitive, and not because they were "dumping" their quality players. If he was throwing in the towel, then the commish should also lock the team and find a replacement next season.
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Yes, although I think a good commissioner should check with the rest of the league to see what they think, and at the very least should tell everyone in the league when he deems a team to be "dumping" players. Doesn't sound like this commish did either (although it could just be a poorly phrased txt).Basically, I think there are 2 acceptable outcomes here:

1) let the drop/add go through (that's what I'd do)

2) declare the original drop to have been "dumping", put Gonzo back on the team that dropped him, and lock its roster for the rest of the season (this would cause a huge number of problems, but I can see an argument for it if that team really is just screwing with the league).

What is not acceptable is blocking the add, but leaving Gonzo on waivers for other teams to pick up.
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I had added to the original post. The commish did post notes to the league explaining the situation. The exact wording is in the OP. When he say's he'll be overriding the move, the only thing I can picture is reversing the initial drop and moving Gonzo to the original team.My issue, however, is this is not collusion. ALso, nothing was done when Ryan Matthews was dropped on September 6th. Someone picked him off waiver right away.

 
Doesn't sound very competitive if the guy dropped Gonzo instead of Tamme and they both had week 7 byes. It should never have happened. I'd be frustrated that I lost out on Gonzo, but 99% of the time you never would have had him in the first place.

Your case should be you missed out on XXX with the 2nd waiver pick because of it if you want to fight it.

 
Ah, I hadn't seen the edit.

Well, at least the commish's reasoning makes sense. If the guy had both Tamme and Gonzo, and then dropped Gonzo, that's bizarre and suspicious. Has the guy given any explanation? I mean, with something like that my first guess would be that it was an accident--he was making roster moves on his phone and pressed the wrong button, or something like that.

 
'FormerlyADog said:
'Quibbler said:
'CamelGod said:
EDIT: I do need to amend my statement. It IS the commissioner's responsibility to maintain the integrity of the league from someone who has "thrown in the towel" and is dumping their players. That's a judgement call by the commish. From the scenario you described, the person made the move to field a complete team, trying to be competitive, and not because they were "dumping" their quality players. If he was throwing in the towel, then the commish should also lock the team and find a replacement next season.
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Yes, although I think a good commissioner should check with the rest of the league to see what they think, and at the very least should tell everyone in the league when he deems a team to be "dumping" players. Doesn't sound like this commish did either (although it could just be a poorly phrased txt).Basically, I think there are 2 acceptable outcomes here:

1) let the drop/add go through (that's what I'd do)

2) declare the original drop to have been "dumping", put Gonzo back on the team that dropped him, and lock its roster for the rest of the season (this would cause a huge number of problems, but I can see an argument for it if that team really is just screwing with the league).

What is not acceptable is blocking the add, but leaving Gonzo on waivers for other teams to pick up.
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I had added to the original post. The commish did post notes to the league explaining the situation. The exact wording is in the OP. When he say's he'll be overriding the move, the only thing I can picture is reversing the initial drop and moving Gonzo to the original team.My issue, however, is this is not collusion. ALso, nothing was done when Ryan Matthews was dropped on September 6th. Someone picked him off waiver right away.
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So basically, he's trying to manage stupidity. If there's no official "Undroppables" or "Can't Cut" list, then there's no legitimate means for him to do this and it's time to find a new league.
 
Under the circumstances I think the commissioner has perfect justification for going back and adjusting the draft for "the competitive balance of the league". The he ought to be able to adjust rosters due to injuries or high draft disappointments. Finally, if necessary he ought to be able to change scores in the games.

Following that he should eat ####

 
Why would you want to be in a league where the owners can't even manage their teams with any competence. Do not drop the number one the just because he is on a bye. :lmao:

 
i may not be reading this right...but if dude dropped Gonzo instead of Tamme....it was good for the commish to step in...

 
Nothing wrong with this IF what I suspect is the case:

This is clearly a league of friends and newbies, because the statement at the end (don't drop top players when you've got droppable guys sitting on your bench) is something you'd only say to a first-time player. To even word it that way suggests people simply don't understand how the game works and need help. The fact that it's a "money" league doesn't say much. Is it $20 a team or something?

My guess is this is a league of people who are buddies and many who are navigating their way through the game for the first time. In that case, it's probably better that you do a little hand-holding and make sure people understand how the game works. If a guy tries to drop Gonzalez, you stop them and explain why that's absurd. This isn't cut-throat fantasy football. It's a fun league where people need a couple of mulligans.

Now, if I'm wrong...all bets are off--literally. Bail from the league. But if it's a regular, competitive league it's very strange that the commissioner would post an explanation like the league was a bunch of third-graders. Something is either very right, or very wrong.

 
'Neil Beaufort Zod said:
Nothing wrong with this IF what I suspect is the case:This is clearly a league of friends and newbies, because the statement at the end (don't drop top players when you've got droppable guys sitting on your bench) is something you'd only say to a first-time player. To even word it that way suggests people simply don't understand how the game works and need help. The fact that it's a "money" league doesn't say much. Is it $20 a team or something?My guess is this is a league of people who are buddies and many who are navigating their way through the game for the first time. In that case, it's probably better that you do a little hand-holding and make sure people understand how the game works. If a guy tries to drop Gonzalez, you stop them and explain why that's absurd. This isn't cut-throat fantasy football. It's a fun league where people need a couple of mulligans.Now, if I'm wrong...all bets are off--literally. Bail from the league. But if it's a regular, competitive league it's very strange that the commissioner would post an explanation like the league was a bunch of third-graders. Something is either very right, or very wrong.
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The guys is new to our league.He dropped VJax after week 1 with no reaction.He dropped Stevie Johnson after week 3 with no reaction.All of a sudden, there's a reaction
 
I think the commish should draft all your teams and set all your lineups and then inform you who won when it is all over. Otherwise you risk undermining the integrity and competitive balance of the league.

 
'Neil Beaufort Zod said:
Nothing wrong with this IF what I suspect is the case:This is clearly a league of friends and newbies, because the statement at the end (don't drop top players when you've got droppable guys sitting on your bench) is something you'd only say to a first-time player. To even word it that way suggests people simply don't understand how the game works and need help. The fact that it's a "money" league doesn't say much. Is it $20 a team or something?My guess is this is a league of people who are buddies and many who are navigating their way through the game for the first time. In that case, it's probably better that you do a little hand-holding and make sure people understand how the game works. If a guy tries to drop Gonzalez, you stop them and explain why that's absurd. This isn't cut-throat fantasy football. It's a fun league where people need a couple of mulligans.
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You learn by screwing up. That's entirely compatible with a "fun league". Unless he is roster dumping there's no reason to save him from his own bad decisions. If he is roster dumping, kick him out.As for competitive balance, this is just the snake oil of overactive commissioners. How do we know this proposed action serves competitive balance? What if the OP is the worst team in the league? Then it helps competitive balance to let him have Gonzo. Competitive balance is a joke.
 
'Johnny Blood said:
I think the commish should draft all your teams and set all your lineups and then inform you who won when it is all over. Otherwise you risk undermining the integrity and competitive balance of the league.
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Exactly! Having more than one owner in the league just mucks it up. :thumbup:
 
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'FormerlyADog said:
The guys is new to our league.He dropped VJax after week 1 with no reaction.He dropped Stevie Johnson after week 3 with no reaction.All of a sudden, there's a reaction
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Hmmm. Good thing you didn't put that in the OP, you might have a dissenting opinion or two to deal with here.Kick the noob out and lock the roster.
 
'BobbyLayne said:
'FormerlyADog said:
The guys is new to our league.He dropped VJax after week 1 with no reaction.He dropped Stevie Johnson after week 3 with no reaction.All of a sudden, there's a reaction
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Hmmm. Good thing you didn't put that in the OP, you might have a dissenting opinion or two to deal with here.Kick the noob out and lock the roster.
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I only looked back now to see what other drops I considered stupid. Will edit that into the OP
 
'FormerlyADog said:
'BobbyLayne said:
'FormerlyADog said:
The guys is new to our league.He dropped VJax after week 1 with no reaction.He dropped Stevie Johnson after week 3 with no reaction.All of a sudden, there's a reaction
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Hmmm. Good thing you didn't put that in the OP, you might have a dissenting opinion or two to deal with here.Kick the noob out and lock the roster.
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I only looked back now to see what other drops I considered stupid. Will edit that into the OP
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I'm just sopeculating, Commish needs to explain himself. BUT I think it might be a cumulative effect thing, and he decided enough is enough, this guy is so incompetant he's upsetting the competitive balance of the league.I been following this thread since you posted and agreed with everyone who thought the Commish was ridicuously over the line. But then again, I've never had to play with an owner as clueless as the noob.
 
'FormerlyADog said:
'Neil Beaufort Zod said:
Nothing wrong with this IF what I suspect is the case:This is clearly a league of friends and newbies, because the statement at the end (don't drop top players when you've got droppable guys sitting on your bench) is something you'd only say to a first-time player. To even word it that way suggests people simply don't understand how the game works and need help. The fact that it's a "money" league doesn't say much. Is it $20 a team or something?My guess is this is a league of people who are buddies and many who are navigating their way through the game for the first time. In that case, it's probably better that you do a little hand-holding and make sure people understand how the game works. If a guy tries to drop Gonzalez, you stop them and explain why that's absurd. This isn't cut-throat fantasy football. It's a fun league where people need a couple of mulligans.Now, if I'm wrong...all bets are off--literally. Bail from the league. But if it's a regular, competitive league it's very strange that the commissioner would post an explanation like the league was a bunch of third-graders. Something is either very right, or very wrong.
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The guys is new to our league.He dropped VJax after week 1 with no reaction.He dropped Stevie Johnson after week 3 with no reaction.All of a sudden, there's a reaction
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This should have happened week 1. These are boneheded rookie moves. If it wasn't done then, it probably shouldn't be done now, but whoever this guys friend is should help this guy with basic strategy. Hes already dropped what 5 of his first seven picks.... and all are still studs save maybe Johnson and he is a nice wr2.
 
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This is nonsensical.

The team that dropped Gonzalez gets to reap the reward of having a usable tight end during his bye week. He received compensation if you will.

It is not fair to allow him to add him back thereby circumventing bye week strategy, via a commissioner move.

If so, shouldn't other teams that have to drop even marginal players for bye week replacements be able to add them back once the bye is over?

To alleviate this problem, the commissioner could have added a larger bench.

Show him this thread and put him on notice that he is managing the league poorly.

 
Hearing that this particular owner has dumped a lot of quality players over time, I don't think as poorly of the commish as some have indicated here... but I still don't think it was the best way to handle it. If he's let those other drops go, I think he should stick with the precedent and let this one go too.

I think the right way to handle it would have been to talk to the new owner privately, offer him some general advice since he's a new owner. I have frequently done this for new owners. You don't want to take it to the point you're always advising him or making decisions for him, but there's nothing wrong with giving him a bigger picture of the FF landscape, and occasionally serving as a sounding board. Or better yet, suggest someone knowledgeable outside the league who the owner could ping about such moves before making them.

 
'Proximo said:
This is nonsensical.The team that dropped Gonzalez gets to reap the reward of having a usable tight end during his bye week. He received compensation if you will.It is not fair to allow him to add him back thereby circumventing bye week strategy, via a commissioner move.If so, shouldn't other teams that have to drop even marginal players for bye week replacements be able to add them back once the bye is over?To alleviate this problem, the commissioner could have added a larger bench. Show him this thread and put him on notice that he is managing the league poorly.
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So Tamme>Gonzo? Is it cool if the guy benches Rodgers for Tebow this week?At some point the commish needs to stop the bleeding. He should have done it earlier judging by the OP's edits.
 
'Nugget said:
'Proximo said:
This is nonsensical.The team that dropped Gonzalez gets to reap the reward of having a usable tight end during his bye week. He received compensation if you will.It is not fair to allow him to add him back thereby circumventing bye week strategy, via a commissioner move.If so, shouldn't other teams that have to drop even marginal players for bye week replacements be able to add them back once the bye is over?To alleviate this problem, the commissioner could have added a larger bench. Show him this thread and put him on notice that he is managing the league poorly.
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So Tamme>Gonzo? Is it cool if the guy benches Rodgers for Tebow this week?At some point the commish needs to stop the bleeding. He should have done it earlier judging by the OP's edits.
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Nowhere did I allude to values of players. If the guy is able to skirt around bye weeks, then other teams should be given the option of picking their guys back up as well. It's just ridiculous (owner in my league dropped Matthews and someone got him on the wire yesterday; that's the way it should work).Sure, he can bench whoever he wants so long as it is in good faith (not dropping games for better draft slot/in cahoots with another team).
 
'Proximo said:
'Nugget said:
'Proximo said:
This is nonsensical.The team that dropped Gonzalez gets to reap the reward of having a usable tight end during his bye week. He received compensation if you will.It is not fair to allow him to add him back thereby circumventing bye week strategy, via a commissioner move.If so, shouldn't other teams that have to drop even marginal players for bye week replacements be able to add them back once the bye is over?To alleviate this problem, the commissioner could have added a larger bench. Show him this thread and put him on notice that he is managing the league poorly.
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So Tamme>Gonzo? Is it cool if the guy benches Rodgers for Tebow this week?At some point the commish needs to stop the bleeding. He should have done it earlier judging by the OP's edits.
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Nowhere did I allude to values of players. If the guy is able to skirt around bye weeks, then other teams should be given the option of picking their guys back up as well. It's just ridiculous (owner in my league dropped Matthews and someone got him on the wire yesterday; that's the way it should work).Sure, he can bench whoever he wants so long as it is in good faith (not dropping games for better draft slot/in cahoots with another team).
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This is not a hypothetical. Team has Gonzo and Tamme and they share a week 7 bye. He needs to drop one for a bye week filler. You see no difference in which player he dropped? Tanking is not cool and something needs to be done.
 
"You see no difference in which player he dropped."

Obviously not. Are you saying that the commish can only leave untouched transactions where everyone agrees there is "no difference" in the players? If not, it is irrelevant.

 
'FormerlyADog said:
'BobbyLayne said:
'FormerlyADog said:
The guys is new to our league.He dropped VJax after week 1 with no reaction.He dropped Stevie Johnson after week 3 with no reaction.All of a sudden, there's a reaction
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Hmmm. Good thing you didn't put that in the OP, you might have a dissenting opinion or two to deal with here.Kick the noob out and lock the roster.
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I only looked back now to see what other drops I considered stupid. Will edit that into the OP
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The only problem is he didn't kick the "new" idiot out earlier. Commish is a few drops late but he is doing the right thing.
 
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