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Should you sit Portis vs. Jax? (1 Viewer)

redman

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Jacksonville has the nastiest defense in the NFL this year, especially when you consider who they've played to date (Dallas, Pittsburgh & Indy). Their defensive tackles are massive and athletic and free up their excellent MLB and safeties to make plays, and their entire back seven tackles very well. Their opponents have averaged 12 first downs and less than 13 points per game.

Portis has had a well-publicized shoulder injury, has only really gotten carries in about 5 quarters of football this year, and was outrushed by Ladell Betts last week. The o-line has looked average in run blocking and worse in pass blocking. Brunell, despite setting a NFL record last week for completions, has looked unsteady, and it bears mention that the team got its one win against Houston which is not exactly a powerhouse.

So do you bench Portis? I don't think so unless you've got another bona fide stud you can put into his place. Here's why.

Portis consistently comes up big against nasty rush defenses. I'm not sure why other than that he's a good RB, but he does.

Last year, Portis played against the following defenses, each of which has listed next to it the yards per rush allowed in parenthesis: Chicago (3.7); Seattle (3.6); Tampa Bay (3.5); San Diego (3.5); New York Giants (3.9); Philadelphia (3.7). Here were Portis' performances against them:

+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK OPP | RSH YD | RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| 1 chi | 21 121 | 0 | 0 || 4 sea | 25 90 | 18 | 0 || 8 @nyg | 4 9 | 13 | 0 || 9 phi | 21 67 | 8 | 1 || 10 @tam | 23 144 | 9 | 1 || 12 sdg | 29 87 | 23 | 0 || 16 nyg | 27 108 | 10 | 1 || 17 @phi | 27 112 | 5 | 2 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| TOTAL | 177 738 | 86 | 5 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+In other words, he averaged 22/92, with about 10 yards receiving on top and just over 1 TD per game, or right at his season pace. You'll note that these games occurred throughout the course of the season, and aren't limited to that 5 game winning streak at the end or something. If anything, the emotional (for the Giants) week 8 game @NYG following Wellington Mara's death is an aberration as they stopped running after the Giants jumped out quickly to an enormous lead. That extremely low number of carries and yards is the least reliable guide in that list.

I'm not predicting anything magnificent for Portis, or even an Redskins win. These two teams figure to beat each other up for four full quarters with the strong likelihood of any team getting 20 points winning. Moreover, the 'Skins will (if possible) take whatever load they can off of Portis and his shoulder, which is something that they didn't worry about last year.

OTOH, this is a must-win game as there is a huge difference as a practical matter between 1-3 and 2-2 for the Redskins, and the team won't want to put the game in Brunell's hands over Portis. I think Clinton ends up with 90-120 rushing yards and a TD. If you can beat that with another player, fine, but I don't believe he'll let you down.

 
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I would agree with you. Very few people I would start over Portis. He will have a rough time against Jax. Pretty much everyone does. But you can't sit him.......

 
I too am starting Portis on the "always start your studs" theory.

He is a top backs. My theory is that the reason a running back is considered elite is because he can perform against top defenses. It may not be 200+ yards and 4 tds, b ut it should be a solid performance.

You could start someone else, but the theory with starting Portis is that he has a "base" performance of say 10 points. Above that is gravy this week, but he should not score a 0. So the risk reward says to start him unless there is another solid play in your lineup.

Now after all is said and done, it is possible that another RB on your bench outscores Portis, but it is the higher floor which is why you should play him - knowing against Jax the ceiling may not be as high.

 
I'm a bandwagon Jaguars fan this weekend. My opponent has FWP and Jacobs on a bye week and is starting Portis and Betts as his 2 RBs :lmao:

 
I'm a bandwagon Jaguars fan this weekend. My opponent has FWP and Jacobs on a bye week and is starting Portis and Betts as his 2 RBs :lmao:
FWIW I'd probably start my WR3 over Betts this weekend. He won't get the entire 4th quarter to himself like he did last week against Houston.
 
I dropped Portis when he was injured - from 4 to 5.

He's back to the #4 RB IMO - start him like you'd start any stud RB.

 
I might have to start Portis and Betts. :eek: Bye-week peril.
Just be aware that Duckett is likely to be active for the game this week and will get some of the carries that would otherwise go to Betts in relief of Portis. Also, this game figures to be close so won't figure to rush the ball 40 times to kill the clock like they did against Houston, which of course padded Betts' numbers. Betts may be good for 30-40 total yards and zero TD's. That's why my suggestion would be to look seriously at your WR's or even a solid backup TE as an alternative to playing Betts this week if you are allowed a swing player in place of your RB2.

 
I might have to start Portis and Betts. :eek: Bye-week peril.
Just be aware that Duckett is likely to be active for the game this week and will get some of the carries that would otherwise go to Betts in relief of Portis. Also, this game figures to be close so won't figure to rush the ball 40 times to kill the clock like they did against Houston, which of course padded Betts' numbers. Betts may be good for 30-40 total yards and zero TD's. That's why my suggestion would be to look seriously at your WR's or even a solid backup TE as an alternative to playing Betts this week if you are allowed a swing player in place of your RB2.
It's either him or DeAngleo. I've got D-Lo in there right now and he'll likely stay. Nice thoughts. :thumbup:
 
I benched Alexander last year against JAX and it worked out well. My other back had a much better matchup that week, paid off big time...

 
I also like the idea of Taylor over Portis for this one week...........BUT Taylor was just added to the injury report as probable...................

From Rotoworld.............

Chester Taylor has been added to the injury report as probable.

His injury is unknown but it's considered a "virtual certainty" he'll play in Week 4. Make sure he returns to practice Friday.

Source: St. Paul Pioneer Press

The Pioneer Press claims it is an ankle injury.

Maybe it does take a super stud RB to bench Portis.........

 
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I dropped Portis when he was injured - from 4 to 5.He's back to the #4 RB IMO - start him like you'd start any stud RB.
Normally I would, but I'm starting a non-stud (so far this year) in Steven Jackson vs. Detroit over Portis vs. the Jags. Sometimes you have to sit your better player if the matchup is so lopsided as this...Detroit D vs. Jacksonville's D.Yes...I know Detroit has played the run well at times this season....but it's an aberation. The Lions are going to give up a ton of yards to Jackson this week...despite it being rumored that Roy Williams has guaranteed another win this week.
 
It really depends on who is currently behind him on the bench, I love the research stats above and agree totally that a healthy Portis can run over any defense any given week. But that is a healthy portis, I am not convinced that he is 100% back from the shoulder issues, The come back game last week was against Houston, That is really all that should need to be said about that game. I think that 30-40% of the carries this weekend will continue to go to Betts which will take away from Clinton's production this weekend even more. I also do not see Wash getting a rushing TD on that D.

If you have a deep squad there are a few RB's I would consider in place of Portis due to this weeks match ups:

J. Jones - Tenn - Probably the best match up he has this year.

Addai - I know Rhodes still gets alot of carries, but the Jets are that bad against the run and Indy will have the lead early and often.

Cleve RB - If you can figure out who it will be before game time.

Barlow - OK go ahead and let the mud fly, I know you think I am crazy but Indy has absolutely sucked at stopping the run and Barlow has TD's in 2 of the first 3 games.

 
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The nice thing about Portis is that he does come through.

27/112/1 (with 2 catches for 28 yards thrown in)

 
It really depends on who is currently behind him on the bench, I love the research stats above and agree totally that a healthy Portis can run over any defense any given week. But that is a healthy portis, I am not convinced that he is 100% back from the shoulder issues, The come back game last week was against Houston, That is really all that should need to be said about that game. I think that 30-40% of the carries this weekend will continue to go to Betts which will take away from Clinton's production this weekend even more. I also do not see Wash getting a rushing TD on that D.If you have a deep squad there are a few RB's I would consider in place of Portis due to this weeks match ups:J. Jones - Tenn - Probably the best match up he has this year.Addai - I know Rhodes still gets alot of carries, but the Jets are that bad against the run and Indy will have the lead early and often.Cleve RB - If you can figure out who it will be before game time.Barlow - OK go ahead and let the mud fly, I know you think I am crazy but Indy has absolutely sucked at stopping the run and Barlow has TD's in 2 of the first 3 games.
Still not convinced that Portis is 100% healthy from his shoulder injury? ;) I didn't agree with your post about starting those players over Portis. I still think you would have to be a crazy person to start Addai, or Barlow over Portis. However anyone that did start any of the four guys you called out wouldn't have been dissapointed. They all had very good games. Very gutsy call but bang on. :thumbup:
 
I have to relay something I was extremely impressed by that Portis did. On Moss' first touchdown, Portis started the play in the backfield next to Brunell in the shotgun with the ball at the Redskins 45-yard line. He blocked for Brunell, helping him get the ball away, then ran downfield hunting for someone to block. He pulled in front of Moss, dove and drilled a Jaguar at the Jax 30-yard line, fell to the ground, got back up, and raced to catch up with Moss and drilled John Henderson just behind Moss on the left sideline at the Jax 10-yard line so wickedly that the 6-foot-7, 325-pounder hit the turf.

You can click on the link to this play here; there's no counter or timer, but the video is approx 25% of the way in.

 
I have to relay something I was extremely impressed by that Portis did. On Moss' first touchdown, Portis started the play in the backfield next to Brunell in the shotgun with the ball at the Redskins 45-yard line. He blocked for Brunell, helping him get the ball away, then ran downfield hunting for someone to block. He pulled in front of Moss, dove and drilled a Jaguar at the Jax 30-yard line, fell to the ground, got back up, and raced to catch up with Moss and drilled John Henderson just behind Moss on the left sideline at the Jax 10-yard line so wickedly that the 6-foot-7, 325-pounder hit the turf.

You can click on the link to this play here; there's no counter or timer, but the video is approx 25% of the way in.
great play indeed by Portis... thanks for posting that... i didn't realize how fast he was moving when i first saw that replay... i think he could easily beat Moss in a foot race
 

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