Sniffer's early off-season rankings (1 Viewer)

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Sniffer’s post season FFL Rankings.

#1 – These are for PPR Leagues, this is what I play in (mostly) so this is my basis

#2 – These rankings are if I had to draft right now, and obviously knowing what we know.

#3 – Feel free to critique, I can take it, I only ask that your criticism be constructive.

#4 – I only went for ranking of starters in a 12 man , 1qb, 2rb, 3wr league.

1 Brady

2 Manning

3 Brees

4 Romo

5 Palmer

6 Hasslebeck

7 BigBen

8 Anderson

9 Favre

10 Kitna

11 Bulger

12 Cutler

QB rankings are very top heavy and I’d be totally happy with anyone in the top 9, Anderson has regressed some but I like his weapons and I think he’ll be even better next.

I actually think that Bulger is the true early value play at that the position next year.

I have McNabb, Rivers, Schaub at 13-15 respectively and they are top backups IMO.

Kitna should slide even further as I expect Martz to leave.

I have tier one from Brady to Romo and tier 2 is Palmer to Favre.

1 LT

2 Sjax

3 Westbrook

4 Addai

5 ADP

6 LJ

7 Gore

8 Bush

9 Portis

10 MB3

11 Willis

12 Williep

Here we go, RB was the most maligned position of all in 2007 and I’m sure everyone’s biggest gripe will be ADP at #5. Why at #5? I have him at #1b!! even #1 !!. ADP is all world talent no doubt, but in PPR leagues and given the fact that I do not like the QB situation in Minny one bit. 5 is where I would draft him right now. Sjax is a beast and should regain top3 status next year, Addai in that offense provides too much opportunity and Westy will be Overvalued, that’s right overvalued next year.

Tier 1 is clear 1-5, and then the fun starts

Bush is only this high due to his PPR points, in more traditional league I would bounce him out of the top 12 all together.

LJ is a monster and his QB situation needs to be upgraded big time.

I see a lot of value at the bottom of the round 1RB crop Portis,MB3 and Williep are almost interchangeable parts.

13 Lynch

14 MJD

15 Jamal

16 R.Grant

17 Ron Brown

18 LenDale

19 Graham

20 Edge

21 F.Talyor

22 Maroney

23 Turner

24 Henry

IMO you can draw line after Lynch, right now. If those top 13 RB’s are gone I’m drafting a WR.

In this next group, you have the over achievers in Jamal, Graham ,Grant and Taylor. These guys are very hard to rank.

I think GB will look to upgrade via F/A or the draft, but Grant has really played well and has a whole playoff to show what else he can do.

I expect Jamal to resign in Cleveland, but he is a FA and carries risk if you happen to draft in January.

Turner should be starting somewhere and where and when he signs will determine his value,

Ronnie Brown is hurt, and given the fact I like to avoid risk, I cannot take him higher than this RIGHT NOW.

Maroney is puzzling I think he is inching his way out of the dog house.

The next few guys I have ranked are Rudi, Jacobs, McFadden, K.Jones and Caddy. Cincy looks to be a mess next year and Jones and Caddy are hurt, but at RB 25-30 you can take a risk with your RB3 at this point.

1 RMOSS

2 TO

3 Wayne

4 A.Johnson

5 TJ Hous

6 Fitz

7 Holt

8 S.Smith

9 Braylon

10 ChadJ

11 Colston

12 Boldin

Man o Man is this position DEEP. The one guy to keep an eye on is Steve Smith, If Fox is fired and/or Delhomme is gone his value might slip even further.

Randy Moss depends on his resigning in NE, if he gets his Ring, I think he might want to get paid, and paid big.

Andre Johnson might slide further than this, but he has really shown me something after the injury.

I am a big Colston fan but this is as high as I can rank him. Showing the true depth of the position.

13 Plaxico

14 Jennings

15 Marv

16 Roy William

17 Welker

18 B.Marhsall

19 S.Holmes

20 Branch

21 Driver

22 Hines

23 Coles

24 Galloway

After Roy I think there is a tier break for sure. Martz might be gone, and that might actually help his stats.

Welker is gonna be fine in PPR’s, but something tells me he will be overvalued in a lot of leagues next year.

Brandon Marshall makes me think that Denver might part way with Walker if the can take the cap hit.

Obviously if Favre retires then the GB WR’s take a hit, but I think he’s coming back no matter what

Marv looks like sweet value.

25 Evans

26 Curtis

27 Walker

28 Berrian

29 D.bowe

30 Chambers

31 Hackett

32 Cotchery

33 Calvin

34 R.White

35 Clayton

36 R.Brown

Wow has Roddy White had a nice quiet season. A lot of think will change in ATL next season, this is as high as I can go

I feel like I’m ranking Calvin a bit high too

Mark Clayton is a good WR, but I feel WR 35 might be too high.

Chambers will be a nice value play next season

Well that is all I have to say about that. Feel free to tell me what you think. and let the flaming begin.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

That's a good start.

I think S.Jax, Addai, Westbrook, and ADP are all pretty close in value. Most people will have ADP at #2 or #3, but everyone in the top five is solid enough not to be a reach at #2. So anywhere from #2 to #5 makes sense.

I would rank Jamal Lewis and Braylon Edwards each a bit higher. The Browns' offense may fall back to earth a bit next year, but those two guys are tough to pass up in the early second / late second, respectively, IMO.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

That's a good start.I think S.Jax, Addai, Westbrook, and ADP are all pretty close in value. Most people will have ADP at #2 or #3, but everyone in the top five is solid enough not to be a reach at #2. So anywhere from #2 to #5 makes sense.I would rank Jamal Lewis and Braylon Edwards each a bit higher. The Browns' offense may fall back to earth a bit next year, but those two guys are tough to pass up in the early second / late second, respectively, IMO.

Who should Braylon be ranked low than? I mean he might only get 9 td's next year.Jamal has had an awesome 2nd half, and he is UFA, I expect him to be back in Cleve but the situation carries some merkyness right now

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

That's a good start.

I think S.Jax, Addai, Westbrook, and ADP are all pretty close in value. Most people will have ADP at #2 or #3, but everyone in the top five is solid enough not to be a reach at #2. So anywhere from #2 to #5 makes sense.

I would rank Jamal Lewis and Braylon Edwards each a bit higher. The Browns' offense may fall back to earth a bit next year, but those two guys are tough to pass up in the early second / late second, respectively, IMO.

Who should Braylon be ranked low than? I mean he might only get 9 td's next year.

I think Moss/TO/Wayne are the top three WRs, but I would start considering Braylon right after that group. I'm not sure whether I like Braylon better than CJ/Housh/Fitz/A.Johnson -- but it's close. I'd put him in that same tier, and maybe at the top of it.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

That's a good start.

I think S.Jax, Addai, Westbrook, and ADP are all pretty close in value. Most people will have ADP at #2 or #3, but everyone in the top five is solid enough not to be a reach at #2. So anywhere from #2 to #5 makes sense.

I would rank Jamal Lewis and Braylon Edwards each a bit higher. The Browns' offense may fall back to earth a bit next year, but those two guys are tough to pass up in the early second / late second, respectively, IMO.

Who should Braylon be ranked low than? I mean he might only get 9 td's next year.

I think Moss/TO/Wayne are the top three WRs, but I would start considering Braylon right after that group. I'm not sure whether I like Braylon better than CJ/Housh/Fitz/A.Johnson -- but it's close. I'd put him in that same tier, and maybe at the top of it.

fair enough,I thought of flip=flopping Holt and Braylon during the ranking process. I expect the Rams O to be alot better next season

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I'm also not sure where to put Steve Smith. That's an interesting one.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Would anyone put Plaxico in the top 8-9 WRs?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Would anyone put Plaxico in the top 8-9 WRs?

boy mid season I sure would have. Im sure it's the injury slowing him down some, but Eli seems to regress every year after October too. I would take him at a WR2. Also who would bounce down? Boldin, maybe Colston? I wouldnt

 

[identikit]

I'm also not sure where to put Steve Smith. That's an interesting one.

I'm not sure Smith's value would necessarily go down because Fox is gone; depends on who his replacement is. Delhomme, I can see that.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I'm also not sure where to put Steve Smith. That's an interesting one.

I'm not sure Smith's value would necessarily go down because Fox is gone; depends on who his replacement is. Delhomme, I can see that.

yes he is an interesting one to keep your eye on, Clearly I dont think that Carolina can go with Vinny/Carr or Moore as the starter. Delhomme seems to have been injured the past two seasons as well.

 

[ggggh7]

nice list. I did one for wrs.

 better[/B] in 08

19 S.Holmes- hoping he will increase his off season workouts(min inj), Pitt still runs a similar off in 08?

14 Jennings- Monster 07, I group GBwrs, also- Sea WRs. get a drop ranking, but one of them(from SEA and GB) will be a good investment in 08

12 Boldin

7 Holt

10 ChadJ

I might be hard on them- but believe their off will be rb heavy. Still Holt might be the strongest wr on his team by far. Thus rec tons of targets.

17 Welker - YES i overvalue him. but PPR . Brady qb I have to put him up toward the top of the list.

18 B.Marhsall

27 Walker

I have no idea really- Have to do more work on Den rec, Cutlers improvement, Den rb.

35 Clayton- ok I have Mason on my list. Balt QB, (Boller ) maybe I think he will do OK. ha

hey what do i know.

Thanks for posting your list.

 

[finnref]

I liked Kitna and Bulger this year. Kitna clearly disappointed me. the receivers and offensive strategy are there, but unless he gets some O line protection his intercepts and injuries in late season will drop him out of top 10. Similar scenario for Bulger. Needs O line and Jax. Injured last half of last two seasons. And I got stung twice. Think twice on these two.

 

[Couch Potato]

I'm also not sure where to put Steve Smith. That's an interesting one.

I'm not sure Smith's value would necessarily go down because Fox is gone; depends on who his replacement is. Delhomme, I can see that.

Ownership has been pretty clear this week that John Fox isn't going anywhere. Prior speculation was all writers / message boarders / whatever. Don't factor in a HC change.

 

[Sabertooth]

The guy I am struggling with is ADP. Seriously he put up two clunkers in the last few weeks as teams got the book on him. He cost myself and many others championship...aka cash. When he was needed, he didn't come through not because of lack of talent, but because of lack of opportunity. I am not sure that changes much next season. Teams will still sell out to stop him. Chili will still be there and be more concerned with mind games than playing his best player.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

Gore is a tough call for me. Was this year his low water mark?

 

[rzrback77]

Nice read. Thanks for putting your thoughts out there for review and discussion.

 

[The Man with the Plan]

Steven Jackson is too high. People remember what he did at the end of the season but seem to forget what he did (or didn't do) at the beginning of the season. Same with Larry Johnson only much worse.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Gore is a tough call for me. Was this year his low water mark?

Gore and LJ I have with bush in what I call tier 2 rb's just outside of the top 5. Both will need improved QB play and health next year. I suspect Gore in the 6-10 range of re-draft leagues will provide solid value

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Steven Jackson is too high. People remember what he did at the end of the season but seem to forget what he did (or didn't do) at the beginning of the season. Same with Larry Johnson only much worse.

I have Sjax #2 on my board because he is a PPR monster, two years ago he had 90 catches. Remember this about the Rams this season in general they were very injured. Pace.Bulger, Sjax. They never had a chance to gell this season. Now that there has been some stability the O is clicking again.

 

[Banger]

That's a good start.

I think S.Jax, Addai, Westbrook, and ADP are all pretty close in value. Most people will have ADP at #2 or #3, but everyone in the top five is solid enough not to be a reach at #2. So anywhere from #2 to #5 makes sense.

I would rank Jamal Lewis and Braylon Edwards each a bit higher. The Browns' offense may fall back to earth a bit next year, but those two guys are tough to pass up in the early second / late second, respectively, IMO.

Who should Braylon be ranked low than? I mean he might only get 9 td's next year.

I think Moss/TO/Wayne are the top three WRs, but I would start considering Braylon right after that group. I'm not sure whether I like Braylon better than CJ/Housh/Fitz/A.Johnson -- but it's close. I'd put him in that same tier, and maybe at the top of it.

Braylon is a redzone monster and is pretty unstoppable on the jump ball. All those that you've mentioned are quality wr's but I like the fact that Clev. has a young/developing line that should help the offense for years to come.

 

[FUBAR]

8 Anderson9 Favre10 Kitna11 Bulger12 Cutler

I personally wouldn't rank a QB who isn't assured of the starting job ahead of the others and would not take DA in the top 10 today. Quinn will get time sooner or later, DA isn't assured of even coming back to Cleveland, although I think he will. He produced alright, as a top 7 QB this year, but just barely in the top 12 the last month and a half. In order for me to draft a QB who isn't a lock to start all next year in the top 10, he has to be producing elite stats, and be a potential top value, an ok value + risk. Basically, I knock a player down a tier if there's risk (aside from simply not producing) If he produced in the top 4 all year, I could justify the ranking. I'd knock DA down to #12-15, below Rivers, Schaub and McNabb, I might even rank Tarvaris Jackson ahead of him for now.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

8 Anderson9 Favre10 Kitna11 Bulger12 Cutler

I personally wouldn't rank a QB who isn't assured of the starting job ahead of the others and would not take DA in the top 10 today. Quinn will get time sooner or later, DA isn't assured of even coming back to Cleveland, although I think he will. He produced alright, as a top 7 QB this year, but just barely in the top 12 the last month and a half. In order for me to draft a QB who isn't a lock to start all next year in the top 10, he has to be producing elite stats, and be a potential top value, an ok value + risk. Basically, I knock a player down a tier if there's risk (aside from simply not producing) If he produced in the top 4 all year, I could justify the ranking. I'd knock DA down to #12-15, below Rivers, Schaub and McNabb, I might even rank Tarvaris Jackson ahead of him for now.

Good points.DA is a RFA and he will get the highest tender. As you noted he has regressed some in past few weeks. Cleveland will probably have an "open" competition in camp. I personally think this is alot like Rivers/Brees and Cleveland goes one more year with DA before trading/letting DA go on the open market and handing the reigns over to Quinn. No way I could put Tarvaris ahead of him. Minny is a QB away from having a legit SB chance in the NFC. I think they look to make a move there.

 

[FUBAR]

8 Anderson9 Favre10 Kitna11 Bulger12 Cutler

I personally wouldn't rank a QB who isn't assured of the starting job ahead of the others and would not take DA in the top 10 today. Quinn will get time sooner or later, DA isn't assured of even coming back to Cleveland, although I think he will. He produced alright, as a top 7 QB this year, but just barely in the top 12 the last month and a half. In order for me to draft a QB who isn't a lock to start all next year in the top 10, he has to be producing elite stats, and be a potential top value, an ok value + risk. Basically, I knock a player down a tier if there's risk (aside from simply not producing) If he produced in the top 4 all year, I could justify the ranking. I'd knock DA down to #12-15, below Rivers, Schaub and McNabb, I might even rank Tarvaris Jackson ahead of him for now.

Good points.DA is a RFA and he will get the highest tender. As you noted he has regressed some in past few weeks. Cleveland will probably have an "open" competition in camp. I personally think this is alot like Rivers/Brees and Cleveland goes one more year with DA before trading/letting DA go on the open market and handing the reigns over to Quinn. No way I could put Tarvaris ahead of him. Minny is a QB away from having a legit SB chance in the NFC. I think they look to make a move there.

You're probably right with the comparison, except Anderson is nowhere near the QB or leader that Brees is. People tend to forget Brees was the leader on a 12-4 team, he really stepped up after Rivers was picked. Yet, the Chargers still let him go. His leadership bought him another year, Anderson hasn't been that caliber. Jackson is one of the more underrated QBs heading into 08. He throws too many INTs, but aside from that he's done pretty well. He's a good runner as well which just adds another dimension to the Vikings attack. I won't draft him to start for me, but considering how bad his WRs were this year, he's done remarkably well. He won't lose his job, and has potential to be a solid #1.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

8 Anderson9 Favre10 Kitna11 Bulger12 Cutler

I personally wouldn't rank a QB who isn't assured of the starting job ahead of the others and would not take DA in the top 10 today. Quinn will get time sooner or later, DA isn't assured of even coming back to Cleveland, although I think he will. He produced alright, as a top 7 QB this year, but just barely in the top 12 the last month and a half. In order for me to draft a QB who isn't a lock to start all next year in the top 10, he has to be producing elite stats, and be a potential top value, an ok value + risk. Basically, I knock a player down a tier if there's risk (aside from simply not producing) If he produced in the top 4 all year, I could justify the ranking. I'd knock DA down to #12-15, below Rivers, Schaub and McNabb, I might even rank Tarvaris Jackson ahead of him for now.

Good points.DA is a RFA and he will get the highest tender. As you noted he has regressed some in past few weeks. Cleveland will probably have an "open" competition in camp. I personally think this is alot like Rivers/Brees and Cleveland goes one more year with DA before trading/letting DA go on the open market and handing the reigns over to Quinn. No way I could put Tarvaris ahead of him. Minny is a QB away from having a legit SB chance in the NFC. I think they look to make a move there.

You're probably right with the comparison, except Anderson is nowhere near the QB or leader that Brees is. People tend to forget Brees was the leader on a 12-4 team, he really stepped up after Rivers was picked. Yet, the Chargers still let him go. His leadership bought him another year, Anderson hasn't been that caliber. Jackson is one of the more underrated QBs heading into 08. He throws too many INTs, but aside from that he's done pretty well. He's a good runner as well which just adds another dimension to the Vikings attack. I won't draft him to start for me, but considering how bad his WRs were this year, he's done remarkably well. He won't lose his job, and has potential to be a solid #1.

This is DA's first chance at starting and before this year he played in only 5 games ever, when Brees lead the bolts to a 12-4 season he had several seasons of basically stinking, thus leading AJ to draft Rivers. I think DA's weapons, and another training camp will lead to him having solid number from a fantasy perspective.I have no way knowing how good of a leader DA is

 

[Banger]

Jackson is one of the more underrated QBs heading into 08. He throws too many INTs, but aside from that he's done pretty well. He's a good runner as well which just adds another dimension to the Vikings attack. I won't draft him to start for me, but considering how bad his WRs were this year, he's done remarkably well. He won't lose his job, and has potential to be a solid #1.

I don't know about being underrated. I think he's correctly ranked pretty low. At the end of the day, despite getting enormous numbers advantages since teams were daring him to throw he was still pretty dreadful. Even if you prorate his numbers for a full 16 games you're talking about 2500 yards and 10 tds against 17 ints. Yes, he can improve but teams only have a certain window of opportunity to take the next step and make a superbowl run and I don't know if Minn will waste another year with him in hopes that he improves.

 

[The Rook]

I'm also not sure where to put Steve Smith. That's an interesting one.

I'm not sure Smith's value would necessarily go down because Fox is gone; depends on who his replacement is. Delhomme, I can see that.

yes he is an interesting one to keep your eye on, Clearly I dont think that Carolina can go with Vinny/Carr or Moore as the starter. Delhomme seems to have been injured the past two seasons as well.

Ironically, Smith started being respectable again with Moore at QB

 

[FUBAR]

You're probably right with the comparison, except Anderson is nowhere near the QB or leader that Brees is. People tend to forget Brees was the leader on a 12-4 team, he really stepped up after Rivers was picked. Yet, the Chargers still let him go. His leadership bought him another year, Anderson hasn't been that caliber. Jackson is one of the more underrated QBs heading into 08. He throws too many INTs, but aside from that he's done pretty well. He's a good runner as well which just adds another dimension to the Vikings attack. I won't draft him to start for me, but considering how bad his WRs were this year, he's done remarkably well. He won't lose his job, and has potential to be a solid #1.

This is DA's first chance at starting and before this year he played in only 5 games ever, when Brees lead the bolts to a 12-4 season he had several seasons of basically stinking, thus leading AJ to draft Rivers. I think DA's weapons, and another training camp will lead to him having solid number from a fantasy perspective.I have no way knowing how good of a leader DA is

The Rivers pick was a mistake, but that really isn't worth getting into right now. Brees only started 2 years, not "several. His 2002 season was comparable to Rivers this year so not great, but not "stinking". 2003 he got injured and regressed some. If DA is the starter, he'll get top 10 stats, maybe top 6. Considering the risk of him not starting, or at least being on a short leash, I won't be taking him ahead of Bulger, Cutler, Schaub, and probably Rivers. If he falls out of the top 12, I'll take the risk but I'll be sure to get a QB like Campbell, Young, or Garrard. Actually, I don't know why it's taken this long to get here, but Garrard belongs in the top 10.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

You're probably right with the comparison, except Anderson is nowhere near the QB or leader that Brees is. People tend to forget Brees was the leader on a 12-4 team, he really stepped up after Rivers was picked. Yet, the Chargers still let him go. His leadership bought him another year, Anderson hasn't been that caliber. Jackson is one of the more underrated QBs heading into 08. He throws too many INTs, but aside from that he's done pretty well. He's a good runner as well which just adds another dimension to the Vikings attack. I won't draft him to start for me, but considering how bad his WRs were this year, he's done remarkably well. He won't lose his job, and has potential to be a solid #1.

This is DA's first chance at starting and before this year he played in only 5 games ever, when Brees lead the bolts to a 12-4 season he had several seasons of basically stinking, thus leading AJ to draft Rivers. I think DA's weapons, and another training camp will lead to him having solid number from a fantasy perspective.I have no way knowing how good of a leader DA is

The Rivers pick was a mistake, but that really isn't worth getting into right now. Brees only started 2 years, not "several. His 2002 season was comparable to Rivers this year so not great, but not "stinking". 2003 he got injured and regressed some. If DA is the starter, he'll get top 10 stats, maybe top 6. Considering the risk of him not starting, or at least being on a short leash, I won't be taking him ahead of Bulger, Cutler, Schaub, and probably Rivers. If he falls out of the top 12, I'll take the risk but I'll be sure to get a QB like Campbell, Young, or Garrard. Actually, I don't know why it's taken this long to get here, but Garrard belongs in the top 10.

good discussion, this is why I started the thread. Your point on Garrard is good as well. I guess I just don see him as a legit fantasy option yet. He's in that 12-15 discussion. Im not ready to draft him top 10, yet

 

[FUBAR]

You're probably right with the comparison, except Anderson is nowhere near the QB or leader that Brees is. People tend to forget Brees was the leader on a 12-4 team, he really stepped up after Rivers was picked. Yet, the Chargers still let him go. His leadership bought him another year, Anderson hasn't been that caliber. Jackson is one of the more underrated QBs heading into 08. He throws too many INTs, but aside from that he's done pretty well. He's a good runner as well which just adds another dimension to the Vikings attack. I won't draft him to start for me, but considering how bad his WRs were this year, he's done remarkably well. He won't lose his job, and has potential to be a solid #1.

This is DA's first chance at starting and before this year he played in only 5 games ever, when Brees lead the bolts to a 12-4 season he had several seasons of basically stinking, thus leading AJ to draft Rivers. I think DA's weapons, and another training camp will lead to him having solid number from a fantasy perspective.I have no way knowing how good of a leader DA is

The Rivers pick was a mistake, but that really isn't worth getting into right now. Brees only started 2 years, not "several. His 2002 season was comparable to Rivers this year so not great, but not "stinking". 2003 he got injured and regressed some. If DA is the starter, he'll get top 10 stats, maybe top 6. Considering the risk of him not starting, or at least being on a short leash, I won't be taking him ahead of Bulger, Cutler, Schaub, and probably Rivers. If he falls out of the top 12, I'll take the risk but I'll be sure to get a QB like Campbell, Young, or Garrard. Actually, I don't know why it's taken this long to get here, but Garrard belongs in the top 10.

good discussion, this is why I started the thread. Your point on Garrard is good as well. I guess I just don see him as a legit fantasy option yet. He's in that 12-15 discussion. Im not ready to draft him top 10, yet

Garrard was top 10 this year. Are you just projecting more INTs, not seeing "upside" or what? I'd like to see better WRs, but Reggie is coming into his own and probably should be in the top 36.

 

[H.K.]

8 Anderson9 Favre10 Kitna11 Bulger12 Cutler

I personally wouldn't rank a QB who isn't assured of the starting job ahead of the others and would not take DA in the top 10 today. Quinn will get time sooner or later, DA isn't assured of even coming back to Cleveland, although I think he will. He produced alright, as a top 7 QB this year, but just barely in the top 12 the last month and a half. In order for me to draft a QB who isn't a lock to start all next year in the top 10, he has to be producing elite stats, and be a potential top value, an ok value + risk. Basically, I knock a player down a tier if there's risk (aside from simply not producing) If he produced in the top 4 all year, I could justify the ranking. I'd knock DA down to #12-15, below Rivers, Schaub and McNabb, I might even rank Tarvaris Jackson ahead of him for now.

McNabb had a better PPG than Palmer, Kitna and Cutler this season and he had what was perceived to be a bad year. IMHO, McNabb is still a top 10 guy. After he returned from injury in week 14, he has run for 100 yards in three games. He had only run for 136 in his previous 10 games. His refound mobility has helped open up the passing game in Philly, too.

 

[southeastjerome]

Nice read sniffer. I am curious as to why you have B. Marshall at 18 when he was #10 this year in standard PPR leagues. I assume this is because Walker will be coming back next year. I see Marshall as only getting better and ditto for Cutler. I also think that Javon Walker coming back will help him. The offense will improve, he won't see double teams and he'll still be the main target in the red zone. I think people are going to shy away from Marshall b/c of Walker and I see him as a nice value pick next year.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Nice read sniffer. I am curious as to why you have B. Marshall at 18 when he was #10 this year in standard PPR leagues. I assume this is because Walker will be coming back next year. I see Marshall as only getting better and ditto for Cutler. I also think that Javon Walker coming back will help him. The offense will improve, he won't see double teams and he'll still be the main target in the red zone. I think people are going to shy away from Marshall b/c of Walker and I see him as a nice value pick next year.

Kid is a beast no doubt, but I think 1 -14 is pretty darn solid. I really cant see drafting him before any of them right now, come august with certain things shake out, sure.The WR position is stacked, so he could be a nice target if you go RB-RB-WR-WR for one of those two WR spots

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

8 Anderson9 Favre10 Kitna11 Bulger12 Cutler

I personally wouldn't rank a QB who isn't assured of the starting job ahead of the others and would not take DA in the top 10 today. Quinn will get time sooner or later, DA isn't assured of even coming back to Cleveland, although I think he will. He produced alright, as a top 7 QB this year, but just barely in the top 12 the last month and a half. In order for me to draft a QB who isn't a lock to start all next year in the top 10, he has to be producing elite stats, and be a potential top value, an ok value + risk. Basically, I knock a player down a tier if there's risk (aside from simply not producing) If he produced in the top 4 all year, I could justify the ranking. I'd knock DA down to #12-15, below Rivers, Schaub and McNabb, I might even rank Tarvaris Jackson ahead of him for now.

McNabb had a better PPG than Palmer, Kitna and Cutler this season and he had what was perceived to be a bad year. IMHO, McNabb is still a top 10 guy. After he returned from injury in week 14, he has run for 100 yards in three games. He had only run for 136 in his previous 10 games. His refound mobility has helped open up the passing game in Philly, too.

currently have McNabb at 13, I usually dont do the take this game away thing, but besides that Lions game, he was border line un-startable most of the season. . I had him in one league, I should know, LOL But seriously, he is a BIG injury risk, a risk to be traded etc.

 

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You're probably right with the comparison, except Anderson is nowhere near the QB or leader that Brees is. People tend to forget Brees was the leader on a 12-4 team, he really stepped up after Rivers was picked. Yet, the Chargers still let him go. His leadership bought him another year, Anderson hasn't been that caliber. Jackson is one of the more underrated QBs heading into 08. He throws too many INTs, but aside from that he's done pretty well. He's a good runner as well which just adds another dimension to the Vikings attack. I won't draft him to start for me, but considering how bad his WRs were this year, he's done remarkably well. He won't lose his job, and has potential to be a solid #1.

This is DA's first chance at starting and before this year he played in only 5 games ever, when Brees lead the bolts to a 12-4 season he had several seasons of basically stinking, thus leading AJ to draft Rivers. I think DA's weapons, and another training camp will lead to him having solid number from a fantasy perspective.I have no way knowing how good of a leader DA is

The Rivers pick was a mistake, but that really isn't worth getting into right now. Brees only started 2 years, not "several. His 2002 season was comparable to Rivers this year so not great, but not "stinking". 2003 he got injured and regressed some. If DA is the starter, he'll get top 10 stats, maybe top 6. Considering the risk of him not starting, or at least being on a short leash, I won't be taking him ahead of Bulger, Cutler, Schaub, and probably Rivers. If he falls out of the top 12, I'll take the risk but I'll be sure to get a QB like Campbell, Young, or Garrard. Actually, I don't know why it's taken this long to get here, but Garrard belongs in the top 10.

good discussion, this is why I started the thread. Your point on Garrard is good as well. I guess I just don see him as a legit fantasy option yet. He's in that 12-15 discussion. Im not ready to draft him top 10, yet

Garrard was top 10 this year. Are you just projecting more INTs, not seeing "upside" or what? I'd like to see better WRs, but Reggie is coming into his own and probably should be in the top 36.

Good job Fubar, it's December 27th and you might have me change my thinking on Gaarard, in my two leagues Garrard was 14th and 1tth in scoring, and that is with him playing 12 games. So his PPG is higher than that Im sure. But I have a hard time seeing his upside as well. this past season is pretty close to his ceiling IMO. Like you said his WR's need improving as well

 

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Steven Jackson is too high. People remember what he did at the end of the season but seem to forget what he did (or didn't do) at the beginning of the season. Same with Larry Johnson only much worse.

I have Sjax #2 on my board because he is a PPR monster, two years ago he had 90 catches. Remember this about the Rams this season in general they were very injured. Pace.Bulger, Sjax. They never had a chance to gell this season. Now that there has been some stability the O is clicking again.

Relying on another 90 catch season is pushing itSJax had a majority of those catches when the Rams were trailing, on short dump off passes. When the rams had a lead he rarely caught the ball as they ran it.this year when they were losing it seemed they shyed away from dumping it off to SJax.just an observation.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Brees only started 2 years, not "several. His 2002 season was comparable to Rivers this year so not great, but not "stinking". 2003 he got injured and regressed some.

Brees didn't get injured in 2003.

 

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Steven Jackson is too high. People remember what he did at the end of the season but seem to forget what he did (or didn't do) at the beginning of the season. Same with Larry Johnson only much worse.

I have Sjax #2 on my board because he is a PPR monster, two years ago he had 90 catches. Remember this about the Rams this season in general they were very injured. Pace.Bulger, Sjax. They never had a chance to gell this season. Now that there has been some stability the O is clicking again.

Relying on another 90 catch season is pushing itSJax had a majority of those catches when the Rams were trailing, on short dump off passes. When the rams had a lead he rarely caught the ball as they ran it.this year when they were losing it seemed they shyed away from dumping it off to SJax.just an observation.

right, that is obviously his ceiling. When OPace got hurt last year, they couldnt protect for more than 2 seconds so the dump off was the easy check down. The 2005 season he has 43 and this season hell finish with about 40. so 40-50 catches is still pretty good