mr fancypants
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And Billy's house cleaning continues
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As a Phillies fan...we got fleeced
Please See Mine
Footballguy
because?
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Other than Cardenas, ever hear of the other two? No big losses. But I would've rather dealt Cardenas for at least Burnett, but he makes waaaaaaaay too much money for this organization.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
But Blanton doesn't nearly have the baggage of Burnett (continually injured and inconsistent) or Bedard (with his recent injury, surly attitude and lack of guts).Spencer is obviously no loss. Cardenas will never play 2B for the Phillies. If he continues to hit well enough, they'd find a spot for him, but he is in single-A.
I am a little nervous now about how good Outman will probably be, based on the fact that Beane took him, but he is certainly not considered a can't-miss prospect.
Overall, this is a good move based on the current landscape and will be an upgrade over Eaton. I'm pleased that Gillick at least tries to do things, after the 8-year Wade regime.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
Plus Blanton is still under Phillies control for 2 more years, right?The downside is that he may eat himself out of the league http://static.flickr.com/59/175995690_826f012e2c_o.jpg
Please See Mine
Footballguy
Come on, he's only allowed 23 ER in his last 27 IP.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Plus he's only making around 4million a year. Seth Everett was discussing the Phils and their interest in Burnett, they wanted him but they couldn't agree to financial terms with Toronto. We wanted the Jays to pick up alot of his salary. So when in doubt, go cheap. Yes Burnett has been inconsistant but has 10x the talent that Blanton has, he would've instantly become our num 2, now we have another project on our hands. Oh joy.
Outman was a pretty high ranking lefty prospect. 23 yr old left that has had more Ks than IP throughout his minor league career. Stats: http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/O/joshua-outman.shtml
Rotowold take:
Left-hander Josh Outman was picked up by the A's in the Joe Blanton trade.
Outman, 23, was moved to the pen after opening the season with a 3.16 ERA and a 32/15 K/BB ratio in 25 2/3 innings for Double-A Reading. He had since amassed a 3.22 ERA in 44 2/3 innings. The A's figure to move him back to the rotation and could call him up in August or September. Walks are always going to be a problem for him, but he has enough stuff to make it as a fourth or fifth starter anyway.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
Does Burnett have more talent? Probably.Is he really that much more effective?
- Burnett's 2 best career win totals are 12 and 12.
Blanton's are 16 and 14.
- Burnett's 2 best ERA+ numbers in a season where he pitched at least 100 innings are 122 and 119.
Blanton's are 123 and 106.
- The most innings Burnett's ever thrown is 209, and that was in 2005.
Blanton threw 230 innings last year.
- Blanton is 4 years younger.
- They have the same ERA this year and Blanton has a slightly better WHIP.
Cheaper? Yes, but the Phillies will have to do something about Howard's contract soon, plus they may have to pony up to keep Burrell.
I don't really work in the Phillies PR department. I just think that Burnett is a bigger risk and I'm not sure that his overall effectiveness is that much better.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
We already know that Blanton can at least be a fourth or fifth starter, and he can do it this year when we desperately need one.
He doesn't seem to be much of a 4th/5th this year...
pettifogger
Footballguy
This is from Baseball Prospectus on Cardenas in 2007 (the 2008 comments are not on line, you have to buy the book).
Cardenas was the 37th pick in last year`s draft, a supplemental first-rounder from a Miami high school. His makeup couldn`t be more different from his fellow first-rounders; Cardenas graduated near the top of his class and entertained guests at his draft party by playing Liszt and Gershwin on the piano. He also led his high school team to the state championship by hitting .647 and slugging 1.319, earning Baseball America`s High School Player of the Year award, and finished up by raking in the GCL. He`s an outstanding hitting prospect who will probably move to second in the future.
So now the A's have drafted Jemile Weeks, traded for Eric Patterson and Cardenas, all second basemen. Looks like they're not expecting to lock up Mark Ellis after the season is over (he and Orlando Hudson look to be the top 2Bmen free agents).
Cardenas was the 37th pick in last year`s draft, a supplemental first-rounder from a Miami high school. His makeup couldn`t be more different from his fellow first-rounders; Cardenas graduated near the top of his class and entertained guests at his draft party by playing Liszt and Gershwin on the piano. He also led his high school team to the state championship by hitting .647 and slugging 1.319, earning Baseball America`s High School Player of the Year award, and finished up by raking in the GCL. He`s an outstanding hitting prospect who will probably move to second in the future.
So now the A's have drafted Jemile Weeks, traded for Eric Patterson and Cardenas, all second basemen. Looks like they're not expecting to lock up Mark Ellis after the season is over (he and Orlando Hudson look to be the top 2Bmen free agents).
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Here's my problem, I'm thinkin we need at least a number 3, if not a number 2, which we agree Blanton is not. Disappointed in the move, not an upgrade IMO.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Billy Beane shows us once again that he may just be the greatest GM in the game. Arguably the best 2B in the minors right now + a high K lefty hurler for at best a mediocre #3 starter? I wonder what he said to Gillick to get him to bite, probably used a "Cardenas will never sniff the major league club given what's in front of him" and "that guy walks a batter every other inning" and "you really need another pitcher for a playoff push" sort of angle, to that I say well done! Blanton may help them just a little bit in getting to the playoffs but I would be very surprised if he helps them at all once October rolls around. He's just not that good.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure BB didn't have to say a word, except for the names he wanted in return.
Buckfast
Footballguy
Is anyone else picking up Gio Gonzalez, the most likely replacement for Blanton in the A's rotation?
He has a 0.95 ERA in his last 4 starts in AAA and has been striking out batters at a rate of more than a K per inning. A couple weeks ago he threw a complete game 1 hitter and struck out 13 and then followed up his next start with a 6 inning, 1 hit, 0 ER, 7 K performance. He has been inconsistent at times over the course of the season, but has seemed to get really hot in the past month and has been dominating AAA.
He is generally ranked as one of the top 10-15 pitching prospects in the minors. Gonzalez is a lefty who has a good fastball that can hit 95 MPH and a plus curveball that has been very effective as his strikeout pitch.
Although the announcement of his call-up is not official yet, I would watch closely because he might be a nice prospect for those in need of strikeouts or a long-term keeper prospect.
He has a 0.95 ERA in his last 4 starts in AAA and has been striking out batters at a rate of more than a K per inning. A couple weeks ago he threw a complete game 1 hitter and struck out 13 and then followed up his next start with a 6 inning, 1 hit, 0 ER, 7 K performance. He has been inconsistent at times over the course of the season, but has seemed to get really hot in the past month and has been dominating AAA.
He is generally ranked as one of the top 10-15 pitching prospects in the minors. Gonzalez is a lefty who has a good fastball that can hit 95 MPH and a plus curveball that has been very effective as his strikeout pitch.
Although the announcement of his call-up is not official yet, I would watch closely because he might be a nice prospect for those in need of strikeouts or a long-term keeper prospect.
John Rambo
Footballguy
He's great. He trades away his ML proven talent for boatloads of raw talent, develops the raw talents and trades it away. In the meantime the A's continue to tread water year after year in a mediocre division. Bravo Billy! If I were still an A's fan I'd be tired of this cycle. I hope he plans on ringing up a few in a row.Why is he the best GM again?
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
What has this guy ever done? Why doesn't he grow a pair and try to win one year instead of looking to contend three years from now? Haren, Harden, Duchscherer, Blanton and Eveland would have been a pretty good rotation this year.
E-Z Glider
Footballguy
An average #5 starter for 2 of your top 5 prospects. Swell. Did Gillick think he was bidding on Harden?
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Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
Just read he will be the guy to be called up and added him to my deep mixed league, leaving him alone in my 7 keeper though as I doubt he'd be a keeper option come season's end in that shallow of a keeper.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Before this season the A's had won between 87 and 103 games in every season since 1999 (four division titles if memory serves), not long after Beane had arrived and on a very small payroll. With that sort of success I think saying the A's "tread water year after year" couldn't be less true.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
I dunno, I was referring to the ineptitude of our GM, Pat Gillick, not praising BB.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
Gillick was able to get this team from perpetually "almost there" into the playoffs. Which GM would you prefer to have?
Domination
Footballguy
All of you are being way too hard on the Phillies. Don't get me wrong, I would much rather have had Harden or CC. But Blanton has been a better 2nd half pitcher throughout his career. He is younger and cheaper than Burnett or Bedard, and I think he will give about the same results. I expect him to pitch as a #3 for the rest of the year.
As for the comment about the prospects. Outman was not good enough as a starter, and is thought of as a lefty specialist for a reliever. Cardenas could be a talented player, but he struggles in the field, and is blocked by Utley to the majors. Spencer is just a through-in. None of these players are even ranked in the Top 10 of the Phillies prospects.
BTW if you want to get upset about something, its that Gio is coming up to pitch for the A's, and we traded him away for Freddie Garcia.
As for the comment about the prospects. Outman was not good enough as a starter, and is thought of as a lefty specialist for a reliever. Cardenas could be a talented player, but he struggles in the field, and is blocked by Utley to the majors. Spencer is just a through-in. None of these players are even ranked in the Top 10 of the Phillies prospects.
BTW if you want to get upset about something, its that Gio is coming up to pitch for the A's, and we traded him away for Freddie Garcia.
MAC_32
Footballguy
From what I've read Cardenas is regarded as the Phillies' #2 prospect and Outman the #4, so I'm going to disagree with you.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
Yes, I'd like to know who Domination's top 10 prospects are.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
This is the same GM who, at the time he dealt Abreau, said we were a couple years away from winning anything. We almost made the playoffs that year after he said that then made the playoffs the following year. But my true problem is with the country club ownership group, if they were more concerned about winning than the team budget we could've had AJ instead of Blanton for this kind of package.
Joe Paterno
Footballguy
Just...wow.What has this guy ever done?
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Still waiting for an answer though.....I don't think he has ever won a World Series.....has he even been to one?
Joe Paterno
Footballguy
So sad. Really.This fishing trip isn't going anywhere with me, and the sad part is--it's only half fishing.Still waiting for an answer though.....I don't think he has ever won a World Series.....has he even been to one?Just...wow.What has this guy ever done?
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Playing to contend three years from now might play well in the sticks but in real baseball cities it's a joke. Like I said before, Haren, Harden,Blanton and Duchenererererer would have been a pretty darn good rotation. He could have contended with them for the next couple of years. I'm sorry....but I'm not going to toot a guys horn because he can trade off all of his marketable players for prospects. Anybody can do that.So sad. Really.This fishing trip isn't going anywhere with me, and the sad part is--it's only half fishing.Still waiting for an answer though.....I don't think he has ever won a World Series.....has he even been to one?Just...wow.What has this guy ever done?
MAC_32
Footballguy
Consider mePlaying to contend three years from now might play well in the sticks but in real baseball cities it's a joke. Like I said before, Haren, Harden,Blanton and Duchenererererer would have been a pretty darn good rotation. He could have contended with them for the next couple of years. I'm sorry....but I'm not going to toot a guys horn because he can trade off all of his marketable players for prospects. Anybody can do that.So sad. Really.This fishing trip isn't going anywhere with me, and the sad part is--it's only half fishing.Still waiting for an answer though.....I don't think he has ever won a World Series.....has he even been to one?Just...wow.What has this guy ever done?
He's not playing to contend three years from now, they've been in contention every year this decade, as I stated previously. He's likely mailing it in for this season, the surprising success of the team probably made that decision difficult but it isn't hard to look at this team and not say 'we can't win it with this group.' Hindsight's 20/20 and I'm sure if he knew Ducsh's transition to the rotation would work so flawlessly and Harden would spend less time on the DL than off of it then he may have reconsidered the offseason fire sale - although given the current makeup of their offense I still question whether they could win in October unless their arms were setting records. That said, no one knew this was going to happen, point me to a post in which you said otherwise and I'll stand corrected but I highly doubt you saw this last fall. Additionally you are completely ignoring the success of two of the primary pieces of the offseason fire sale (Smith and Eveland) and how they are vastly outproducing expectations, 3.79 and 3.65 ERA's respecitvely, both of which are averaging only a little less IP's/game than Haren (6 vs. 6.5) at a fraction of the salary. And now another piece to the puzzle, Gio, is on his way up and has been pitching lights out over the last month.
If the measurement for a quality GM is a World Series ring then there are a lot more GM failures in the majors than not, I'm glad most evaluate their GM's differently than you. Beane's done a great job with such limited resources his entire time in Oakland, if they can figure out how to upgrade in the offensive power department in the offseason this team should contend in 09.
