TheFanatic
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I thought he was going to play. Cinci homers? Is he going to get cut tomorrow?
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So Rudi didn't play at all last night? (1 Viewer)
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Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
As I said in that other post about him possibly getting the start if he showed he could deliver the goods........it doesn't make sense.
How can a guy either start for the team or get cut when you carry 5 or 6 rb's on the team?
Cinci's leadership is acting like a bunch of screw balls.
How can a guy either start for the team or get cut when you carry 5 or 6 rb's on the team?
Cinci's leadership is acting like a bunch of screw balls.
Leeroy Jenkins
Footballguy
Have to figure he is about to be traded.
sholditch
Footballguy
Winner by default? Possibly. Here's another curveball:
Bengals coach Marvin Lewis said he held out Rudi Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh because he wanted to make sure they were at full strength for the opener.
An odd turnaround from Lewis who said just days ago that he needed to see Rudi play in order to make a judgment on his running back pecking order. It's tough to gauge the Bengals' plan, but Rudi is due $4 million this season. We would be surprised to see him on the roster by Saturday night.
OK, it's clear that everything that we have coming through the Bengals organization and fantasy sites is all a smokescreen. There is no real info out there, period. So let's get objective for a minute and look at the pieces of the puzzle:
Rudi is a former pro-bowler who was injured last season, but in the past has proved a reliable inside runner for the Bengals who kept defenses from spreading the field against the pass.
Chris Perry is more of a pass-catching outside runner who has never been able to stay healthy and has never really proven himself on the field, in terms of a full season, especially as a starter or feature back.
Rudi believes that the team is trying to trade him.
Most everyone believes that Rudi would bring little in a trade.
This is all we "know" about this situation. We also know that the Bengals are not the best run organization, so them doing something that would seem detrimental to the team is not necessarily out of the picture.
Looking at the above I only see one plausible scenario, and one remotely possible scenario.
Plausible is that the Bengals keep Rudi and allow him to be part of a balanced rushing attack with Perry and Watson. This would be good for the Bengals and bad for fantasy owners, as it kills the value of all three.
Possible is that they cut Rudi, name Perry the starter, and keep Ja. Johnson as the third RB. This would be a bad move for the Bengals and good for fantasy owners.
Personally, I think the plausible scenario wins out, and it's something that we and most fantasy sites don't want to see because ultimately it's not exciting to talk about and doesn't create any opportunity for fantasy owners.
Bengals coach Marvin Lewis said he held out Rudi Johnson and T.J. Houshmandzadeh because he wanted to make sure they were at full strength for the opener.
An odd turnaround from Lewis who said just days ago that he needed to see Rudi play in order to make a judgment on his running back pecking order. It's tough to gauge the Bengals' plan, but Rudi is due $4 million this season. We would be surprised to see him on the roster by Saturday night.
OK, it's clear that everything that we have coming through the Bengals organization and fantasy sites is all a smokescreen. There is no real info out there, period. So let's get objective for a minute and look at the pieces of the puzzle:
Rudi is a former pro-bowler who was injured last season, but in the past has proved a reliable inside runner for the Bengals who kept defenses from spreading the field against the pass.
Chris Perry is more of a pass-catching outside runner who has never been able to stay healthy and has never really proven himself on the field, in terms of a full season, especially as a starter or feature back.
Rudi believes that the team is trying to trade him.
Most everyone believes that Rudi would bring little in a trade.
This is all we "know" about this situation. We also know that the Bengals are not the best run organization, so them doing something that would seem detrimental to the team is not necessarily out of the picture.
Looking at the above I only see one plausible scenario, and one remotely possible scenario.
Plausible is that the Bengals keep Rudi and allow him to be part of a balanced rushing attack with Perry and Watson. This would be good for the Bengals and bad for fantasy owners, as it kills the value of all three.
Possible is that they cut Rudi, name Perry the starter, and keep Ja. Johnson as the third RB. This would be a bad move for the Bengals and good for fantasy owners.
Personally, I think the plausible scenario wins out, and it's something that we and most fantasy sites don't want to see because ultimately it's not exciting to talk about and doesn't create any opportunity for fantasy owners.
BoltzNBrew
Footballguy
How is that different from any other year?Cinci this year = a massive
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valhallan
Footballguy
The Bengals have had many more successful years than certain other franchises.. (*cough* avatar *cough*)And besides, I'm thinking more in terms of FF production... I could see a total implosion on offense.How is that different for any other year?Cinci this year = a massive
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Project Mayhem
Footballguy
Looks more and more like he gets cut imo. I did not think this was gonna happen last week, but with him not playing last night, it seems imminent. Obviously there was no market for him for a trade, and if he played last night and got injured, the Bengals would still be on the hook for his salary.
So, the next option is to cut him, which leaves the Bengals with Perry, who has never been able to stay healthy and has what, 10 carries in the past 2 years ...total! And the guy I am thinking is the real value, Kenny Watson. I like Watson for a late pick if you have the room, or maybe for a dollar at the end of an auction.
Dede Dorsey would be #3 if Rudi gets the axe.
So, the next option is to cut him, which leaves the Bengals with Perry, who has never been able to stay healthy and has what, 10 carries in the past 2 years ...total! And the guy I am thinking is the real value, Kenny Watson. I like Watson for a late pick if you have the room, or maybe for a dollar at the end of an auction.
Dede Dorsey would be #3 if Rudi gets the axe.
Liquid Tension
Footballguy
If I had to guess Cinci found no takers and now will go back to Rudi and say lets restructure your deal that is incentive driven for how much and well you play. Similar to the Ahman deal, but more rich
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
But if Rudi makes the final roster and refuses to restructure?Liquid Tension said:
Traders2001
Footballguy
here s the key from your post ( but in the past has proved a reliable inside runner ) .Rudi is done , yes he was hurt last season but what about the previous one. He has been on the decline for the last 2 1/2 years .sholditch said:
Neil Beaufort Zod
Footballguy
I shuld have known starting Rudi was a bad move in my preseason fantasy league. In the Super Bowl, no less.
Yes, I'm joking. But somewhere, I'm sure such a league exists.
Yes, I'm joking. But somewhere, I'm sure such a league exists.
Yitbos69
Footballguy
Sorry but the numbers just do not support your claim. 3 years prior to 2007 he was a stud and very consistent. He had one bad year and that was because of injury. Where did you get 2 1/2 years?2004 CIN 16 361 1454 4.0 12
2005 CIN 16 337 1458 4.3 12
2006 CIN 16 341 1309 3.8 12
2007 CIN 11 170 497 2.9
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Project Mayhem
Footballguy
Rudi has been in decline the past 2 years, after 2005 when the Bengals offense was amazing, and they won the division.
Since then, his average has dipped each of the last two seasons, and while injured last year, he came back saying he was 100% for a few games and just got stuffed.
I'm now fully in the camp that he is done, will be cut, and will be added to another team once he clears waivers, so that team can get him at a discount. But who might be interested? Houston maybe?
Since then, his average has dipped each of the last two seasons, and while injured last year, he came back saying he was 100% for a few games and just got stuffed.
I'm now fully in the camp that he is done, will be cut, and will be added to another team once he clears waivers, so that team can get him at a discount. But who might be interested? Houston maybe?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Yitbos69
Footballguy
He went from 4.0 to 4.3 to 3.8....where is the 2 1/2 years of decline? His #'s gained from 2004 to 2005 then went back to just below 4ypc......In 2007 he was injured and never look very good. I have no problem with anyone thinking he is done.....but to say he was declining for 2 1/2 years is false.....that would include the year when he ran for 4.3ypc
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TheFanatic
Footballguy
I think what the guy is saying he went down in 2006, 2007 and all of the offseason would seem to indicate continued dropping as he was not doing so well. But if you want to take off the 1/2 year fine. Rudi Johnson has been on the decline for 2 full years now and nothing more. Does that make you happy or is there some other minutia you would like to discuss.
GridironMenace
Footballguy
OK this topic got offtrack fast.
According to some sources Rudi was help out of the game yesterday because if he got hurt in the game they would have to pay him money. If they are going to cut him tomorrow, they didn't want to pay him anything. That decision came from the front office and Lewis was forced to sit Rudi. I expect Rudi to get cut tomorrow. I can't imagine another team (like Houston) not taking a chance on Rudi when he gets cut.
According to some sources Rudi was help out of the game yesterday because if he got hurt in the game they would have to pay him money. If they are going to cut him tomorrow, they didn't want to pay him anything. That decision came from the front office and Lewis was forced to sit Rudi. I expect Rudi to get cut tomorrow. I can't imagine another team (like Houston) not taking a chance on Rudi when he gets cut.
doubletrouble
Footballguy
yeah I feel Rudi will get his walking papers tomorrow, as put above why risk injury then having to pay his 4mil...
Houston seems to be the team everyone points to, with regards to running back needs. That may be the case, but they would have to lose one of the backs in there stable to accommodate another one, right? So, who goes - Ahman Green, Chris Brown....can't see Slaton not making the team.
Yitbos69
Footballguy
I just don't agree with you.....sorry......does that make you happy?
Traders2001
Footballguy
Ok it s a two year decline . From 4,3 to 3.8 from 2005 to 2006 it isnt even the NFL average yard per carry avg , that s one year of decline ant then to 2.8 YPC last year ( Dont tell it doesnt count cause injury , it spart of the game especially when you get older ) so it s 2006 - 2007 made a half a season mistake sorry.
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Brown would go as his back has been an issue this preseason...and rudi would be motivated to run hard just to spite the bungles
Norman Einstein
Footballguy
Just what a stable of past their peak, injured RB's need....another one
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=6992
Rudi: Stay tuned
By GEOFF HOBSON
August 28, 2008
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Updated: 11:30 p.m.
INDIANAPOLIS - The Bengals certainly didn't showcase running back Rudi Johnson Thursday night by mysteriously icing him here in the preseason finale.
But while Marvin Lewis suggested he was resting him for the opener, Johnson said he could be gone by then and didn't rule out getting cut.
"Anybody can get cut, right?" Johnson asked when asked if he thought it could happen. "Keep your TVs and your cell phones on and all that good stuff and see what happens."
Johnson
Johnson, who hasn't played in a preseason game yet after last year's season was marred by a hamstring injury, was miffed about a report earlier in the week that said he was getting shopped in trade deals.
Lewis, in turn, hasn't been pleased that he has been unable to gauge how far Johnson has come from his '07 hamstring problems because he hurt the other hamstring in the first week of camp and basically didn't practice until this past Monday and Tuesday.
Although Lewis said that Johnson and wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh could have played Thursday night, he hinted he was keeping them fresh for Sept. 7 in Baltimore.
"We wanted to make sure they were at full strength. They only had a week of practice, which is not exactly what you had hoped to have had," Lewis said. "Actually two days of practice. That's not as though we had a full week. So now we have a chance to get everybody with a full week under their belt. Particularly coming off what they were coming off. You don't want to overstress the muscles."
Johnson seemed stress free, but he's also still expecting a move.
"If that's what he said, that's what he said," Johnson said. "The season starts Sept. 7, right?"
On Tuesday he said he thought a trade was imminent. On Thursday, he said, "You never know what is going to happen."
"We'll see. It's out of my control, you know. You're asking the wrong one, bro," when asked if he expects to be a Bengal.
Johnson looked like was close to full speed cutting and moving laterally. He said he wasn't surprised he didn't play, but at that point it gets a little murky.
"I felt good," Johnson said. "That was the plan. They stuck with the plan ... I'm not going to tell you if I knew the plan."
What the Bengals have planned is hard to guess. Johnson is set to make about $4 million this season and they haven't seen him carry the ball yet after two years his yards per carry has dipped to 3.5.
The other side of it is when healthy, he's been one of the most durable backs in team history and from 2004-2006 he had the best three-year run of any Bengals running back with 4,221 yards and 36 touchdowns.
None of the other three veteran running backs have carried more than 178 times in season. Only Kenny Watson has carried double-digits in a game while Chris Perry has done it nine times and DeDe Dorsey seven. Perry and Dorsey have a combined 94 NFL carries. In November 2003, when Johnson staked his claim as the heir to Corey Dillon, he had 100 rushes in five games.
Rudi: Stay tuned
By GEOFF HOBSON
August 28, 2008
ShareThis
Updated: 11:30 p.m.
INDIANAPOLIS - The Bengals certainly didn't showcase running back Rudi Johnson Thursday night by mysteriously icing him here in the preseason finale.
But while Marvin Lewis suggested he was resting him for the opener, Johnson said he could be gone by then and didn't rule out getting cut.
"Anybody can get cut, right?" Johnson asked when asked if he thought it could happen. "Keep your TVs and your cell phones on and all that good stuff and see what happens."
Johnson
Johnson, who hasn't played in a preseason game yet after last year's season was marred by a hamstring injury, was miffed about a report earlier in the week that said he was getting shopped in trade deals.
Lewis, in turn, hasn't been pleased that he has been unable to gauge how far Johnson has come from his '07 hamstring problems because he hurt the other hamstring in the first week of camp and basically didn't practice until this past Monday and Tuesday.
Although Lewis said that Johnson and wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh could have played Thursday night, he hinted he was keeping them fresh for Sept. 7 in Baltimore.
"We wanted to make sure they were at full strength. They only had a week of practice, which is not exactly what you had hoped to have had," Lewis said. "Actually two days of practice. That's not as though we had a full week. So now we have a chance to get everybody with a full week under their belt. Particularly coming off what they were coming off. You don't want to overstress the muscles."
Johnson seemed stress free, but he's also still expecting a move.
"If that's what he said, that's what he said," Johnson said. "The season starts Sept. 7, right?"
On Tuesday he said he thought a trade was imminent. On Thursday, he said, "You never know what is going to happen."
"We'll see. It's out of my control, you know. You're asking the wrong one, bro," when asked if he expects to be a Bengal.
Johnson looked like was close to full speed cutting and moving laterally. He said he wasn't surprised he didn't play, but at that point it gets a little murky.
"I felt good," Johnson said. "That was the plan. They stuck with the plan ... I'm not going to tell you if I knew the plan."
What the Bengals have planned is hard to guess. Johnson is set to make about $4 million this season and they haven't seen him carry the ball yet after two years his yards per carry has dipped to 3.5.
The other side of it is when healthy, he's been one of the most durable backs in team history and from 2004-2006 he had the best three-year run of any Bengals running back with 4,221 yards and 36 touchdowns.
None of the other three veteran running backs have carried more than 178 times in season. Only Kenny Watson has carried double-digits in a game while Chris Perry has done it nine times and DeDe Dorsey seven. Perry and Dorsey have a combined 94 NFL carries. In November 2003, when Johnson staked his claim as the heir to Corey Dillon, he had 100 rushes in five games.
Yitbos69
Footballguy
so was 2004 when his Avg. was 4.0 an up year or a down year. The differnce in 2004 and 2006 is not much at all....I would say that 2005 was an up year and 2004 and 2006 were more in line with what he would put up most years if healthy. 2007 was a down year for sure....he did not look good and his numbers were not good. I just don't really see a down year til 2007(because I see 2005 as an up year).Traders2001 said:
Project Mayhem
Footballguy
Yitbos, Rudi has declined. Disagree all you want, but I have watched every one of those games since he came along and made Dillon look old and he is not the same back as he was in 2005. He does not hit the holes as fast and the burst is rare.......
I wish Rudi all the best, but his days as a Bengal are over.
I wish Rudi all the best, but his days as a Bengal are over.
I'm going to be pissed if he's not released. I dropped Felix Jones to take a flyer on Chris Perry as my RB5. The statements from Johnson made me believe a cut was imminent.It makes no sense to keep him at his current salary and consequently he can't have much trade value.BustedKnuckles said:
Yitbos69
Footballguy
Yes he has declined......but it was only last year and the #'s prove that to be true....he may be done in Cin..but his numbers from 2004 and 2006 are very much the same and he was not declining in 2004 so I don't see how he was in 2006.
millertyme1
Footballguy
He's no better than guys on the street. Hope they let him go. No need to pay $4 mil to a goalline specialist.
H.K.
Footballguy
Looks like much ado about nothing....From Adam Kaplan on Scout.com
Rudi won't go anywhere and it will be one of the worst RBBC's in the league this year in Cincy.
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Irish
Footballguy
TommyKramer
Footballguy
Per PFT, Rudi is going to be released:
BENGALS CUTTING RUDI
Posted by Michael David Smith on August 30, 2008, 1:36 p.m.
There’s been speculation this week that the Bengals would trade running back Rudi Johnson, but it turns out that they won’t.
A league source tells PFT that the Bengals couldn’t get anything for Johnson, so instead they’re going to release him.
Johnson, who carried 170 times for 497 yards last year, was slated to earn salaries of $3.45 million in 2008 and $3.6 million in 2009. Instead he’ll become an unrestricted free agent and hope to catch on elsewhere.
BENGALS CUTTING RUDI
Posted by Michael David Smith on August 30, 2008, 1:36 p.m.
There’s been speculation this week that the Bengals would trade running back Rudi Johnson, but it turns out that they won’t.
A league source tells PFT that the Bengals couldn’t get anything for Johnson, so instead they’re going to release him.
Johnson, who carried 170 times for 497 yards last year, was slated to earn salaries of $3.45 million in 2008 and $3.6 million in 2009. Instead he’ll become an unrestricted free agent and hope to catch on elsewhere.
doubletrouble
Footballguy
Chris Perry is locked in as the Bengals' starting tailback following Rudi Johnson's departure.
Perry won't be a true "feature back," but should lead the team in carries as long as he's healthy. Kenny Watson will also play quite a bit, though, and DeDe Dorsey is the Bengals' most explosive option. Still, Perry is worth owning in all leagues. He's the heavy favorite for all goal-line and early-down work.
Perry won't be a true "feature back," but should lead the team in carries as long as he's healthy. Kenny Watson will also play quite a bit, though, and DeDe Dorsey is the Bengals' most explosive option. Still, Perry is worth owning in all leagues. He's the heavy favorite for all goal-line and early-down work.
