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Let you know after Free Agency.AFC has the usual suspects -- New England, Indy, San Diego, Jacksonville, OaklandThe NFC is a mess. You could make a legitimate argument for 11 or 12 teams (including the entire NFC East) being in the big game.
Maybe.... if they draft a decent RB who doesn't tank on me in my championship game!Vikings.
truth...i think McNabb comes back in a big way next yearLet you know after Free Agency.AFC has the usual suspects -- New England, Indy, San Diego, Jacksonville, OaklandThe NFC is a mess. You could make a legitimate argument for 11 or 12 teams (including the entire NFC East) being in the big game.
How 'bout this then. Six out of the past 7 years, the defending NFC Champion missed the playoffs the following season.
Ahem...Clearly we're the class of tier 4.
Which leads us to the correct answer to the question. The Seahawks, and it isn't even close!!
I agree with this for the most part. The Cards will suck forever and the NFC East is a tough division.
Whoda thunk I had the wrong Adrian Peterson in that game?Maybe.... if they draft a decent RB who doesn't tank on me in my championship game!
How do the Eagles, Vikings, and Bears have a better chance than Washington? Most everyone here said Gibbs was too old, held them back right? Now he's gone, and they get their o-line back healthy next year. I'm sure they will address the pass rush and a better WR to compliment Santana Moss. Not sure why they wouldn't be listed in Tier 2...
Maybe part of the reason they are not in tier 2 is because 2 teams in their division are in Tier 1.....
Why?Seattle, more than any team I can think of, really NEEDS to get home-field advantage for the playoffs. That defense is super nasty in front of the folks in the Northwest, but they just feel like a completely different team when they are on the road. The Seahawks need to put all their efforts into winning as many games a possible in the regular season, like they did in '05, and keep the mental lapses to a minimum. They have a habit of playing down to the competition.
Really? So ... 86 and 90 Superbowls ... Giants were a surprise then? LT, Pepper Johnson, Simms, Ingram, Bavaro, OJ Anderson, Joe Morris ... Rodney Hampton in 1990 ... "not expected"? I guess. Not really. Who did you expect? The 49ers?No chance Eli can get better? Have you considered that? He could reach his peak in 4 or 5 years. And sure ... losing Spagnolo will hurt ... but he doesn't take the field. Just like John Fox didn't when he was Defensive Coordinator of the Giants. It's not like they are gonna replace him with some schlub who doesn't know what he's doing.
Whoa, easy killer. Im a Giants homer to boot... and I said 15+ years - hence AFTER the '90 Superbowl. Since then, we had the Dave Brown / Danny Kanell Era followed by a near savior compared to them in Kerry which saw some success trumped by disappointing loses in big games (a pathetic showing with no D and no heart in the SB against the Ravens, the 49er collapse stuff like that).Until this season, the Giants had NOT come through for a long time, especially on defense. Yes Eli can get better - Id settle for him being even close to as good as he has been over the past month, though. Asking for much more is to ignore his history of inconsistency.Personally, the Giants could congeel (no idea how to spell that) into a great team as they are young... or they could regress to the mean. Lets hope their trajectory is up, but I can not be guaranteed of that.
This is more a gut feeling than anything else. I think in a couple years they can have another window, but coach needs to move on. I don't see that "something" in their eyes to suggest SEA will overcome what you need to overcome to make it to the SB next year. How is the line going to be, and who will run the ball? Their WRs are nothing great imo. I see them as a perennially good team. But not more.
History has shown that it's a bit tougher to come off of a Super Bowl loss strong, than it is to come off of a Super Bowl win. The NFC has been losing a lot of recent Super Bowls.
Good vitriol. However, what part of LAST 15+ YEARS do you not understand? That means AFTER the 1990 superbowl. Not sure how to make the more clear.In terms of not meeting expectations, I refer to what seemed liked a number of years where the Giants were expected to do well in the bigging of the year (this going back to fassel) and disappointed... the following year there would be no or few expectations, and boom we go on a surprise NFC Championship run. I didn't mean to suggest we were expected to win that Super Bowl, I am talking about reaching or exceeding expectations for a season.
With Eli's performance the past few weeks and the resulting ring, I am not even concerned about it. Shockey will now have to learn his place or get out of here but Eli has moved past that issue.Eagles are the big wildcard... shoot, the NFC East does look pretty loaded. One of those teams should have a big leg up just by virtue of being tested throughout the year. Do the Cowboys have the defense to win it if say the Giants are as good as we have seen during this run and the Eagles have a healthy McNabb?I think the Cards have to be watched as well, if Warner is the QB. Though its hard to see them winning a playoff game, not to say three or four.
Just curious. As a Redskin fan I was wondering what NYG homers thought. I've always hated Shocky, and for as much as I have wanted to hate Eli, he seems like a pretty good young QB. His performance since Shockey has been gone has been awesome, again as a Skins fan I hope he can't sustain it I would be lying if I said I wasn't more than a little bit worried going into next season.
Ok, well you didn't preface your first statement with that. I understand that for 15+ years the Giants have been stuck in mediocrity. Nobody ever expected Dave Brown to win a Superbowl ... even when he had a good team around him. I hated Collins ... I have never seen another QB (besides maybe Warner) fumble the ball more often under pressure. You could blame the OL too ... or our special teams .... when we couldn't pull off a long snap or kick a field goal properly. That loss to San Fransico was like a dagger in my heart ... bad call ... but still, we couldn't do basic stuff NFL teams are supposed to do. Ask the Patriots. You should be able to kick a 49 yard FG ... in a dome, during the Superbowl ... or you might hafta go for it on 4th and 13.Believe me ... I remember the hard times .... since 1990 ... and the Giants have been ... pretty much what was expected of them ... up until this year.Koya said:
For Green Bay is all comes down to Favre. If he plays and if he can pull out one more year like this past one at his age. However, they have the running game and a very solid Defense... if Favre is back you would think they'd have to be competitive. Are we seeing the NFC "settle" a little? The NFC east seems potentially loaded, the Pack should be good again, SEA is Seattle... our wildcards are what, the Cards? Niners have no QB and no direction. Bears have no QB (unless Im missing something).
I wouldn't be surprised to see GB make a play for Jared Lorenzon. Free Agent. He's got a laser arm ... and he's HUGE!
Sure, Tarvaris Jackson. Much better than the Dilfer led 2000 Ravens. You don't need a stud at QB to win the SB. Eli just proved that.
Yeah he has pretty much been THE SUCK ... the last month and a half.
Funny, that's pretty much what everyone was saying about Eli a month and a half ago.
That's what I thought. First of all, the 2000 Ravens defense >>>>>>>>> 2008 Vikings defense, and second whatever else Dilfer was or wasn't, he didn't make big mistakes that cost his team games. Maybe Jackson will improve, but I just don't see it happening next year for the Vikings with him at the helm.
In fairness, 86 was definately expected, but things were so tough in those days, I mean, the Bears and Niner teams alone in the NFC are all timers, and the Skins, Rams and rest of the squads were no slouches.However, 87, big things were predicted, and the Strike is the big X factor, but 87 was a major letdown after thinking repeat.89, Flipper Anderson, jesus christ almighty, I'll never forget that one, that was a team that was DEFINATELY bowl worthy.1990, great squad, great start, but when you lose Phil Week 12, you can't expect much. That team is getting the shaft in history here, that win was SO unexpected, from going into San Fran, beating a team that had beat you WITH Simms two months prior, that was an amazing win.And that Buffalo squad, a machine the likes of which the NFL hadn't dealt with in a long time, so strong on O and D, coming off a 51-3 drubbing of the 2 seed. I wouldn't say people picked that bowl. Those were different teams, and if you told me that team post 85 would win two bowls, I would not have been shocked and thats what I would have expected, but I would not have necessarily guessed the years.ElectricShockey said:
Really? I wasn't saying that. First 3 years as the starter and 3 straight years to the playoffs? I thought he was maturing on, or ahead of, schedule.How many playoff games has Romo won?
Eli was a much larger factor in his team's super compared to Dilfer. Dilfer just had to not make mistakes. Eli made a heck of a lot of plays - some very clutch on key, long drives. No one is mistaking him for Marino - but he has one more ring. Jackson has not shown anything to demonstrate he can pull off four games like this, all against playoff level teams and defenses (Bucs had one of the better D's in the league, Green Bays D plus a million below zero and NE had a very good defense). He may have it in him, but we havent seen it for much more than a game (and regular season at that). Perhaps you in Minny have seen more than we have. Lets face it, Dilfer's can slip in when a team has a top 5 defense EVER. So understanding you need someone at the position to get there in almost all cases, in the NFC you have:Favre (but he really does mess it up almost if not as often as he comes through it seems)Romo - Sure has looked good overall. Can he win in the big game? Against tough Ds? Hasselbeck - not overwhelming but has been to a bowlMcNabb - if he is healthy, watch outGarcia - He is a year OLDER, thats notta so goodBrees - can the team play D? How is he in the clutch?Eli - Has already done it, and was teams playoff MVP. No way he could replicate that, is there?Bulger - Seriously, what has he won at this point?Campbell - Does he grow up and become a QB? If not, forget the skins.Delhomme - He got there. But that was a long time ago it seems. Warner - Just dont see him healthy come playoff time. Anyone else is a real stretch. I mean sure, Kitna could capture lightning in a bottle. But those are the guys that I think could lead a team to a Super Bowl.
I have been a strong Eli proponent, but even I started to have some serious doubts mid season. It was looking like regression, not progression. He turned it around. Now he needs to keep it up.
Well, I'm expecting a moderate amount of improvement from Jackson. I also think Rice will have a decent sophomore season. Peterson will be abosultely sick next year which will help Jackson develop. They have a great O line there so Peterson could keep defenses honest enough to help out TJ's play action.They have one of the best run defenses in the league and I don't see that changing much.We'll see but I see them as a top 3 or 4 NFC team next year. I still expect that to mean that they'll be around a top 10 team because the AFC is much stronger overall.That's what I thought. First of all, the 2000 Ravens defense >>>>>>>>> 2008 Vikings defense, and second whatever else Dilfer was or wasn't, he didn't make big mistakes that cost his team games. Maybe Jackson will improve, but I just don't see it happening next year for the Vikings with him at the helm.
I'm giving the young QB the benefit of the doubt, which most of us do far too infrequently.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=7977980
Not in Minny. I'm a Raiders fan. I just liked what I started to see from the Vikings toward the 3/4 mark of the season. They have a lot of potential but I still only see them as a playoff team since my two favorites are still last year's 1 and 2 in GB and Dallas. The Giants have a long, tough road to hoe in dealing with the other 3 teams for two games each in the NFC East though. Just call it a gut feeling but, I could see a moderate enough amount of regression from the Giants that they're in the basement next year in the East.
