Sochi City Hall Orders Killing of Stray Dogs (1 Viewer)

[profman]

The White House can use them for their lunch buffet.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Sounds like Sochi is right on top of all the possible issues there:

http://deadspin.com/staying-in-sochi-is-a-hilarious-adventure-1515722114

 

[bigbottom]

You do realize what happens to stray dogs in America when they go to the pound don't you?

As a matter of fact I do. 90% adopt rate here locally. Which is well above the 0% that appears to be Sochi.

No there's not.

I'll bet you $1M. You up for it? Data is submitted officially to the state.http://www.adoptapet.com/adoption_rescue/69372.html

"We are an open admission shelter caring for over 2,000 animals each year. Our adoption rate for healthy, adoptable animals is over 98%."

When you include all, not just the healthy/adoptable, the rate drops to ~90%.

In your original post, were you referring to the adoption rate at one particular shelter or for your entire local area?

 

[3C's]

You do realize what happens to stray dogs in America when they go to the pound don't you?

As a matter of fact I do. 90% adopt rate here locally. Which is well above the 0% that appears to be Sochi.

No there's not.

I'll bet you $1M. You up for it? Data is submitted officially to the state.http://www.adoptapet.com/adoption_rescue/69372.html

"We are an open admission shelter caring for over 2,000 animals each year. Our adoption rate for healthy, adoptable animals is over 98%."

When you include all, not just the healthy/adoptable, the rate drops to ~90%.

Well outside of your little mecca of dog heaven, dogs are killed all over the world.

So you admit that you were wrong. Good to hear. Here in the states a poor outcome is less than 50%. Not unheard of but less common than even a decade ago. So the US is nothing like other countries or specifically Sochi as you seemed to insinuate.

 

[3C's]

You do realize what happens to stray dogs in America when they go to the pound don't you?

As a matter of fact I do. 90% adopt rate here locally. Which is well above the 0% that appears to be Sochi.

No there's not.

I'll bet you $1M. You up for it? Data is submitted officially to the state.http://www.adoptapet.com/adoption_rescue/69372.html

"We are an open admission shelter caring for over 2,000 animals each year. Our adoption rate for healthy, adoptable animals is over 98%."

When you include all, not just the healthy/adoptable, the rate drops to ~90%.

In your original post, were you referring to the adoption rate at one particular shelter or for your entire local area?

Both. I have the adoption rates for the area but easier to find that one and speak to that one since I've been heavily involved there for about a decade. One in the area is near 100% but they are selective on intake vs open to all. Note that I am excluding PETA, for a reason.

 

[mquinnjr]

If Basya Services is just circling around the area where the games will be hosted, haphazardly gathering stray dogs ,and unloading clips into them without a chance for adoption because they're hosting the Olympics (which they've had ample time within which to get this under control), that I'd have a problem with.

It's not a clip, it's a MAGAZINE.

http://vimeo.com/56964355

Not saying your wrong, but not saying the term I used was completely incorrect either.

 

[bigbottom]

You do realize what happens to stray dogs in America when they go to the pound don't you?

As a matter of fact I do. 90% adopt rate here locally. Which is well above the 0% that appears to be Sochi.

No there's not.

I'll bet you $1M. You up for it? Data is submitted officially to the state.http://www.adoptapet.com/adoption_rescue/69372.html

"We are an open admission shelter caring for over 2,000 animals each year. Our adoption rate for healthy, adoptable animals is over 98%."

When you include all, not just the healthy/adoptable, the rate drops to ~90%.

In your original post, were you referring to the adoption rate at one particular shelter or for your entire local area?

Both. I have the adoption rates for the area but easier to find that one and speak to that one since I've been heavily involved there for about a decade. One in the area is near 100% but they are selective on intake vs open to all. Note that I am excluding PETA, for a reason.

So the citywide adoption rate for stray and abandoned dogs is 90% for all of Williamsburg? That is pretty incredible. By way of comparison, over 90,000 dogs per year are euthanized in Harris County (Houston) shelters. The Humane Society estimates that 6-8 million dogs and cats are cared for in shelters each year, and 3-4 million of those are euthanized.

That was the original point, wasn't it? That we kill a crapload of dogs in this country (whatever the record may be in Wlliamsburg).

 

[3C's]

You do realize what happens to stray dogs in America when they go to the pound don't you?

As a matter of fact I do. 90% adopt rate here locally. Which is well above the 0% that appears to be Sochi.

No there's not.

I'll bet you $1M. You up for it? Data is submitted officially to the state.http://www.adoptapet.com/adoption_rescue/69372.html

"We are an open admission shelter caring for over 2,000 animals each year. Our adoption rate for healthy, adoptable animals is over 98%."

When you include all, not just the healthy/adoptable, the rate drops to ~90%.

In your original post, were you referring to the adoption rate at one particular shelter or for your entire local area?

Both. I have the adoption rates for the area but easier to find that one and speak to that one since I've been heavily involved there for about a decade. One in the area is near 100% but they are selective on intake vs open to all. Note that I am excluding PETA, for a reason.

So the citywide adoption rate for stray and abandoned dogs is 90% for all of Williamsburg? That is pretty incredible.By way of comparison, over 90,000 dogs per year are euthanized in Harris County (Houston) shelters. The Humane Society estimates that 6-8 million dogs and cats are cared for in shelters each year, and 3-4 million of those are euthanized.

That was the original point, wasn't it? That we kill a crapload of dogs in this country (whatever the record may be in Wlliamsburg).

90% is on the upper end when including all taken in but has been reached consistently in several VA counties. The linked humane society covers the city and two surrounding counties. VA as a whole is around 65%. The entire state of New Hampshire is over 90%.

If you take the HSUS estimates (2.7M adoptable pets euthanized out of 6-8M taken in) that's a 55-66% adoption rate of adoptable animals, which seems to be much higher than what is happening outside the US. The original statement insinuated that we're no different than Sochi, that all or most strays are euthanized which is not the case.

 

[bigbottom]

You do realize what happens to stray dogs in America when they go to the pound don't you?

As a matter of fact I do. 90% adopt rate here locally. Which is well above the 0% that appears to be Sochi.

No there's not.

I'll bet you $1M. You up for it? Data is submitted officially to the state.http://www.adoptapet.com/adoption_rescue/69372.html

"We are an open admission shelter caring for over 2,000 animals each year. Our adoption rate for healthy, adoptable animals is over 98%."

When you include all, not just the healthy/adoptable, the rate drops to ~90%.

In your original post, were you referring to the adoption rate at one particular shelter or for your entire local area?

Both. I have the adoption rates for the area but easier to find that one and speak to that one since I've been heavily involved there for about a decade. One in the area is near 100% but they are selective on intake vs open to all. Note that I am excluding PETA, for a reason.

So the citywide adoption rate for stray and abandoned dogs is 90% for all of Williamsburg? That is pretty incredible.By way of comparison, over 90,000 dogs per year are euthanized in Harris County (Houston) shelters. The Humane Society estimates that 6-8 million dogs and cats are cared for in shelters each year, and 3-4 million of those are euthanized.

That was the original point, wasn't it? That we kill a crapload of dogs in this country (whatever the record may be in Wlliamsburg).

90% is on the upper end when including all taken in but has been reached consistently in several VA counties. The linked humane society covers the city and two surrounding counties. VA as a whole is around 65%. The entire state of New Hampshire is over 90%.If you take the HSUS estimates (2.7M adoptable pets euthanized out of 6-8M taken in) that's a 55-66% adoption rate of adoptable animals, which seems to be much higher than what is happening outside the US. The original statement insinuated that we're no different than Sochi, that all or most strays are euthanized which is not the case.

Millions of strays are euthanized in U.S. shelters every year. That is what the original post was insinuating. That we kill dogs too, and a lot of them at that.

 

[3C's]

You do realize what happens to stray dogs in America when they go to the pound don't you?

As a matter of fact I do. 90% adopt rate here locally. Which is well above the 0% that appears to be Sochi.

No there's not.

I'll bet you $1M. You up for it? Data is submitted officially to the state.http://www.adoptapet.com/adoption_rescue/69372.html

"We are an open admission shelter caring for over 2,000 animals each year. Our adoption rate for healthy, adoptable animals is over 98%."

When you include all, not just the healthy/adoptable, the rate drops to ~90%.

In your original post, were you referring to the adoption rate at one particular shelter or for your entire local area?

Both. I have the adoption rates for the area but easier to find that one and speak to that one since I've been heavily involved there for about a decade. One in the area is near 100% but they are selective on intake vs open to all. Note that I am excluding PETA, for a reason.

So the citywide adoption rate for stray and abandoned dogs is 90% for all of Williamsburg? That is pretty incredible.By way of comparison, over 90,000 dogs per year are euthanized in Harris County (Houston) shelters. The Humane Society estimates that 6-8 million dogs and cats are cared for in shelters each year, and 3-4 million of those are euthanized.

That was the original point, wasn't it? That we kill a crapload of dogs in this country (whatever the record may be in Wlliamsburg).

90% is on the upper end when including all taken in but has been reached consistently in several VA counties. The linked humane society covers the city and two surrounding counties. VA as a whole is around 65%. The entire state of New Hampshire is over 90%.If you take the HSUS estimates (2.7M adoptable pets euthanized out of 6-8M taken in) that's a 55-66% adoption rate of adoptable animals, which seems to be much higher than what is happening outside the US. The original statement insinuated that we're no different than Sochi, that all or most strays are euthanized which is not the case.

Millions of strays are euthanized in U.S. shelters every year. That is what the original post was insinuating. That we kill dogs too, and a lot of them at that.

I didn't get that from the original post. Sochi: all stray dogs are being killed. You know what happens to strays in the US when they go to the pound don't you?

More than 50% of strays are adopted. We used to euthanize 20M and now that number is only 13% of that. So we used to be like Sochi but are no longer anything like that.

 

[bigbottom]

You do realize what happens to stray dogs in America when they go to the pound don't you?

As a matter of fact I do. 90% adopt rate here locally. Which is well above the 0% that appears to be Sochi.

No there's not.

I'll bet you $1M. You up for it? Data is submitted officially to the state.http://www.adoptapet.com/adoption_rescue/69372.html

"We are an open admission shelter caring for over 2,000 animals each year. Our adoption rate for healthy, adoptable animals is over 98%."

When you include all, not just the healthy/adoptable, the rate drops to ~90%.

In your original post, were you referring to the adoption rate at one particular shelter or for your entire local area?

Both. I have the adoption rates for the area but easier to find that one and speak to that one since I've been heavily involved there for about a decade. One in the area is near 100% but they are selective on intake vs open to all. Note that I am excluding PETA, for a reason.

So the citywide adoption rate for stray and abandoned dogs is 90% for all of Williamsburg? That is pretty incredible.By way of comparison, over 90,000 dogs per year are euthanized in Harris County (Houston) shelters. The Humane Society estimates that 6-8 million dogs and cats are cared for in shelters each year, and 3-4 million of those are euthanized.

That was the original point, wasn't it? That we kill a crapload of dogs in this country (whatever the record may be in Wlliamsburg).

90% is on the upper end when including all taken in but has been reached consistently in several VA counties. The linked humane society covers the city and two surrounding counties. VA as a whole is around 65%. The entire state of New Hampshire is over 90%.If you take the HSUS estimates (2.7M adoptable pets euthanized out of 6-8M taken in) that's a 55-66% adoption rate of adoptable animals, which seems to be much higher than what is happening outside the US. The original statement insinuated that we're no different than Sochi, that all or most strays are euthanized which is not the case.

Millions of strays are euthanized in U.S. shelters every year. That is what the original post was insinuating. That we kill dogs too, and a lot of them at that.

I didn't get that from the original post. Sochi: all stray dogs are being killed. You know what happens to strays in the US when they go to the pound don't you?More than 50% of strays are adopted. We used to euthanize 20M and now that number is only 13% of that. So we used to be like Sochi but are no longer anything like that.

Seems to me like you have it backwards. From the article, it sound like prior to these past couple weeks, they weren't killing any strays in Sochi. So Sochi has become more like us in recent days.

 

[3C's]

We are talking about the current situation in Sochi. Sochi City Hall Orders Killing of Stray Dogs.

 

[bigbottom]

We are talking about the current situation in Sochi. Sochi City Hall Orders Killing of Stray Dogs.

And the U.S. currently kills stray dogs on the order of millions per year.

 

[3C's]

We are talking about the current situation in Sochi. Sochi City Hall Orders Killing of Stray Dogs.

And the U.S. currently kills stray dogs on the order of millions per year.

Does the US kill all stray dogs? There are certainly some cities/counties that approach that but in the US on average more than half are not killed. And typically when we do euthanize it's in a more humane manner. We don't hire pest control companies who consider dogs "biological trash".

 

[dgreen]

We're comparing the one-time action of a city of 350,000 who is about to host a major world event to what happens across a vast country of more than 300 million people?

 

[bigbottom]

We are talking about the current situation in Sochi. Sochi City Hall Orders Killing of Stray Dogs.

And the U.S. currently kills stray dogs on the order of millions per year.

Does the US kill all stray dogs? There are certainly some cities/counties that approach that but in the US on average more than half are not killed. And typically when we do euthanize it's in a more humane manner. We don't hire pest control companies who consider dogs "biological trash".

"They're killing their babies! What monsters!"

"Um, yeah, we're killing our babies as well."

"Yeah, but we only kill half our babies. It's totally different!"

Not the most compelling argument. We kill MILLIONS of strays every year and have done so for decades. We're not really in a position to get all indignant when a foreign city does it for a couple of weeks.

 

[GroveDiesel]

We are talking about the current situation in Sochi. Sochi City Hall Orders Killing of Stray Dogs.

And the U.S. currently kills stray dogs on the order of millions per year.

This seems like a bizarre argument. The U.S. has been trying to control problems of stray dogs for decades. The majority of that is now done by adopting out those dogs. The ones that can't be saved are euthanized humanely.

Contrast that with Sochi where they have never tried to control their stray dogs until this last week and who instead of trying to save any of them, are poisoning and shooting them on sight.

If you can't see the difference between the U.S. trying to deal with stray animals in a compassionate and humane manner and a city/country poisoning and gunning them down because they're an embarrassment to them, then I don't know what to tell you.

 

[bigbottom]

We are talking about the current situation in Sochi. Sochi City Hall Orders Killing of Stray Dogs.

And the U.S. currently kills stray dogs on the order of millions per year.

This seems like a bizarre argument. The U.S. has been trying to control problems of stray dogs for decades. The majority of that is now done by adopting out those dogs. The ones that can't be saved are euthanized humanely.Contrast that with Sochi where they have never tried to control their stray dogs until this last week and who instead of trying to save any of them, are poisoning and shooting them on sight.

If you can't see the difference between the U.S. trying to deal with stray animals in a compassionate and humane manner and a city/country poisoning and gunning them down because they're an embarrassment to them, then I don't know what to tell you.

I disagree that the U.S. on the whole deals with stray dogs in a compassionate and humane manner.And I didn't see anything in the article about dogs being gunned down in the streets in Sochi as you state. Is that from another source? I'm only going off the original article. Other details would be relevant to whether or not I should be outraged. But the simple fact that Sochi has been taking stray dogs off the street and putting them down for the past couple of weeks isn't all that shocking when compared to the millions of strays that are put down here every year. Hell, in Houston where I live, 250 dogs will be killed today.

 

[3C's]

Who is saying you should be outraged? I'm not. I'm saying comparing current practices in the US to the current practice in Sochi is "misguided".

 

[JZilla]

This is shaping up to be a cluster#### for the ages. I just hope the Russians love their children too.

 

[3C's]

This is shaping up to be a cluster#### for the ages. I just hope the Russians love their children too.

They do, as long as they're not gay.

 

[bigbottom]

Who is saying you should be outraged? I'm not. I'm saying comparing current practices in the US to the current practice in Sochi is "misguided".

According to your own stats, approximately 7,400 "adoptable" pets will be killed in U.S. shelters today. Not sure what the numbers are if you include "unadoptable" pets. If the strays are unadoptable, does that mean our kill rate for them approaches 100%? I wonder what percentage of the strays in Sochi would be considered adoptable by U.S. shelter standards. I get your point. We are at least trying to avoid killing strays in this country. But we still kill millions of dogs a year. If anything, I hope this story gets a lot of coverage so that it can be used to educate Americans about what is happening in shelters across this country. I'm sure many people would be shocked to know that 7,400 adoptable dogs will be killed today. And 7,400 tomorrow.

 

[cstu]

You do realize what happens to stray dogs in America when they go to the pound don't you?

As a matter of fact I do. 90% adopt rate here locally. Which is well above the 0% that appears to be Sochi.

• Of the 1,000 shelters that replied to the National Council's survey, 4.3 million animals were handled.
• In 1997, roughly 64 percent of the total number of animals that entered shelters were euthanized -- approximately 2.7 million animals in just these 1,000 shelters. These animals may have been euthanized due to overcrowding, but may also have been sick, aggressive, injured or suffering from something else.
• 56 percent of dogs and 71 percent of cats that enter animal shelters are euthanized. More cats are euthanized than dogs because they are more likely to enter a shelter without any owner identification.
• Only 15.8 percent of dogs and 2 percent of cats that enter animal shelters are reunited with their owners.
• 25 percent of dogs and 24 percent of cats that enter animal shelters are adopted.

 

[Godsbrother]

If I were in Sochi I would be wary of any meat products being sold. Definitely a good time to test out a vegetarian lifestyle.

 

[T Bell]

You do realize what happens to stray dogs in America when they go to the pound don't you?

As a matter of fact I do. 90% adopt rate here locally. Which is well above the 0% that appears to be Sochi.

No there's not.

I'll bet you $1M. You up for it? Data is submitted officially to the state.

http://www.adoptapet.com/adoption_rescue/69372.html

"We are an open admission shelter caring for over 2,000 animals each year. Our adoption rate for healthy, adoptable animals is over 98%."

When you include all, not just the healthy/adoptable, the rate drops to ~90%.

Ok, so one shelter's rate is 90%. You said "locally", which is most certainly not. The ones that get scooped up by the local pounds are overwhelmingly put down versus adopted.

 

[Clifford]

They eat horse as part of their regular diet, FYI. Not sure dog meat would even be viewed as a significant downgrade.

ETA: Can we stop the ##### fest about euthanization and instead focus on how hilariously unprepared this town is for a busload of tourists, much less the Olympics?

 

[JZilla]

They eat horse as part of their regular diet, FYI. Not sure dog meat would even be viewed as a significant downgrade.

ETA: Can we stop the ##### fest about euthanization and instead focus on how hilariously unprepared this town is for a busload of tourists, much less the Olympics?

What's the over/under on how long this stays hilarious before it crosses over into sad? Opening ceremonies?

The same slobs built everything.. I would not want to be anywhere near that place.

 

[GroveDiesel]

They eat horse as part of their regular diet, FYI. Not sure dog meat would even be viewed as a significant downgrade.

ETA: Can we stop the ##### fest about euthanization and instead focus on how hilariously unprepared this town is for a busload of tourists, much less the Olympics?

Yeah, the stuff about the condition of the media hotels is unreal. Russia spent $56B on these Olympics and it's still a PR disaster so far. If they have a terrorist attack, it will be the worst decision by a country to host the Olympics ever as well as thr biggest black eye for the IOC.

Frankly, Russia is essentially a Third World country with oil and nukes. If they didn't have nukes they would be treated as the pathetic pariah they are.

 

[McGarnicle]

They eat horse as part of their regular diet, FYI. Not sure dog meat would even be viewed as a significant downgrade.

ETA: Can we stop the ##### fest about euthanization and instead focus on how hilariously unprepared this town is for a busload of tourists, much less the Olympics?

Yeah, the stuff about the condition of the media hotels is unreal. Russia spent $56B on these Olympics and it's still a PR disaster so far. If they have a terrorist attack, it will be the worst decision by a country to host the Olympics ever as well as thr biggest black eye for the IOC.

Frankly, Russia is essentially a Third World country with oil and nukes. If they didn't have nukes they would be treated as the pathetic pariah they are.

Plus the strippers they send over here have horrible attitudes.

 

[3C's]

You do realize what happens to stray dogs in America when they go to the pound don't you?

As a matter of fact I do. 90% adopt rate here locally. Which is well above the 0% that appears to be Sochi.

No there's not.

I'll bet you $1M. You up for it? Data is submitted officially to the state.

http://www.adoptapet.com/adoption_rescue/69372.html

"We are an open admission shelter caring for over 2,000 animals each year. Our adoption rate for healthy, adoptable animals is over 98%."

When you include all, not just the healthy/adoptable, the rate drops to ~90%.

Ok, so one shelter's rate is 90%. You said "locally", which is most certainly not. The ones that get scooped up by the local pounds are overwhelmingly put down versus adopted.

Which is not the case here, locally.

 

[[icon]]

If Basya Services is just circling around the area where the games will be hosted, haphazardly gathering stray dogs ,and unloading clips into them without a chance for adoption because they're hosting the Olympics (which they've had ample time within which to get this under control), that I'd have a problem with.

It's not a clip, it's a MAGAZINE.

http://vimeo.com/56964355

Not saying your wrong, but not saying the term I used was completely incorrect either.

So because a couple rednecks posted a Video on Vimeo repeating the common misuse of the phrase, that makes it right?

The difference between clips and magazines. Unless they are shooting these dogs with M1 Garands (They're not), nobody uses clips anymore. More than likely they would be killing the dogs with either a 7.62 (AK) round or a 9mm (pistol) round. In any event, these are all magazine fed weapons.

Just trying to help.

 

[3C's]

You do realize what happens to stray dogs in America when they go to the pound don't you?

As a matter of fact I do. 90% adopt rate here locally. Which is well above the 0% that appears to be Sochi.

• Of the 1,000 shelters that replied to the National Council's survey, 4.3 million animals were handled.
• In 1997, roughly 64 percent of the total number of animals that entered shelters were euthanized -- approximately 2.7 million animals in just these 1,000 shelters. These animals may have been euthanized due to overcrowding, but may also have been sick, aggressive, injured or suffering from something else.
• 56 percent of dogs and 71 percent of cats that enter animal shelters are euthanized. More cats are euthanized than dogs because they are more likely to enter a shelter without any owner identification.
• Only 15.8 percent of dogs and 2 percent of cats that enter animal shelters are reunited with their owners.
• 25 percent of dogs and 24 percent of cats that enter animal shelters are adopted.

1) I've seen that stat and it does not mesh with HSUS stats.

2) That's not local (to me) rates. As stated earlier, there are several shelters in VA which are at or approach 90% adoption rate, so less than 10% euthanized. NH as a state has a 93% adoption rate.

 

[Clifford]

They eat horse as part of their regular diet, FYI. Not sure dog meat would even be viewed as a significant downgrade.

ETA: Can we stop the ##### fest about euthanization and instead focus on how hilariously unprepared this town is for a busload of tourists, much less the Olympics?

Yeah, the stuff about the condition of the media hotels is unreal. Russia spent $56B on these Olympics and it's still a PR disaster so far. If they have a terrorist attack, it will be the worst decision by a country to host the Olympics ever as well as thr biggest black eye for the IOC.

Frankly, Russia is essentially a Third World country with oil and nukes. If they didn't have nukes they would be treated as the pathetic pariah they are.

Plus the strippers they send over here have horrible attitudes.

We need more of this and less of everything else (icon, T Bell, 3Cs)

I assume everyone has seen the dual toilets?

How did the IOC ever think this was a good idea?

 

[Acme CEO]

They eat horse as part of their regular diet, FYI. Not sure dog meat would even be viewed as a significant downgrade.

ETA: Can we stop the ##### fest about euthanization and instead focus on how hilariously unprepared this town is for a busload of tourists, much less the Olympics?

What's the over/under on how long this stays hilarious before it crosses over into sad? Opening ceremonies?

The same slobs built everything.. I would not want to be anywhere near that place.

This is turning out to be one giant cluster f of an embarrassment for Putin. The corruption and total mismanagement of nearly everything large to small is all on stage for the world to see. The legacy of Sochi is going to follow Putin around for a long, long time, and that guy doesn't like being the butt of jokes. Heads are going to roll... or more likely, mysterious disappearances and radiation poisoning.

Everyone's hands are greased and therefore can be found guilty of something. Read a couple of articles some contractors managing Sochi projects have already fled the country for fear of Putin's wrath after its all done.