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Chase Stuart

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http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/wordpress/?p=263

Anytime I hear a stat like “Eli Manning was 5th in the NFL in passing yards in 2005″, the first question that comes to my mind is “Well, where did he rank in pass attempts?” If you rank higher in pass attempts than passing yards, it’s going to be difficult to impress me by throwing for lots of yards; it means at least one person threw for more yards on fewer passes.

I was wondering what percentage of league leaders in a particular statistic (say, passing yards) also ranked first in opportunities (in this case, pass attempts). I was also curious which players had led the league while ranking the lowest in opportunities.

Here’s the full list of the 37 QBs to lead the post-merger NFL in passing yards in a single season. The first column shows where each QB ranked in pass attempts that season.

7 2001 Kurt Warner7 1983 Lynn Dickey7 1974 Ken Anderson7 1972 Joe Namath6 1976 Bert Jones5 2006 Drew Brees4 2005 Tom Brady4 1997 Jeff George4 1995 Brett Favre4 1979 Dan Fouts4 1970 John Brodie3 2000 Peyton Manning2 2004 Daunte Culpepper2 2003 Peyton Manning2 1999 Steve Beuerlein2 1998 Brett Favre2 1996 Mark Brunell2 1985 Dan Marino2 1982 Dan Fouts2 1975 Ken Anderson1 2002 Rich Gannon1 1994 Drew Bledsoe1 1993 John Elway1 1992 Dan Marino1 1991 Warren Moon1 1990 Warren Moon1 1989 Don Majkowski1 1988 Dan Marino1 1987 Neil Lomax1 1986 Dan Marino1 1984 Dan Marino1 1981 Dan Fouts1 1980 Dan Fouts1 1978 Fran Tarkenton1 1977 Joe Ferguson1 1973 Roman Gabriel1 1971 John HadlTo me, the accomplishments of Warner, Dickey, Anderson and Namath did is much more impressive than when Fouts or Moon led the league in passing attempts. I’m not saying you should throw for the most yards in the NFL when you pass more often than anyone else, just that it’s less impressive when you do. Slightly fewer than half (17 of 37) of the league leaders in passing yards also led the league in atempts that season.We can look at the same numbers for running backs, just using rushing yards and rush attempts.

9 1982 Freeman McNeil8t 1996 Barry Sanders6 1993 Emmitt Smith6 1990 Barry Sanders5 2001 Priest Holmes4 1997 Barry Sanders4 1994 Barry Sanders3 1984 Eric Dickerson3 1978 Earl Campbell3 1976 O.J. Simpson3 1974 Otis Armstrong2 2006 LaDainian Tomlinson2 2003 Jamal Lewis2 2000 Edgerrin James2 1998 Terrell Davis2 1992 Emmitt Smith2 1985 Marcus Allen2 1979 Earl Campbell2 1972 O.J. Simpson2 1970 Larry Brown1 2005 Shaun Alexander1 2004 Curtis Martin1 2002 Ricky Williams1 1999 Edgerrin James1 1995 Emmitt Smith1 1991 Emmitt Smith1 1989 Christian Okoye1 1988 Eric Dickerson1 1987 Charles White1 1986 Eric Dickerson1 1983 Eric Dickerson1 1981 George Rogers1 1980 Earl Campbell1 1977 Walter Payton1 1975 O.J. Simpson1 1973 O.J. Simpson1 1971 Floyd LittleOnce again, the league leader in yards was the league leader in attempts 17 of 37 times. I think it’s a little more difficult to draw conclusions from this list than the QB list, because a high number of rush attempts is probably a good sign that the RB is pretty darn good. Freeman McNeil led the league in rushing in 1982 despite eight other players rushing more often than he did, because he averaged 5.2 YPC. But that’s not more impressive than when Barry Sanders in 1997 averaged 6.1 YPC, even if “only” three other RBs had more carries than Sanders that year. Presumably, if McNeil was a better RB, he would have ranked higher than 9th in carries that year. (Not that I think McNeil’s 1982 performance was a fluke; in the playoffs, McNeil rushed for 362 yards on 62 carries, averaging 5.83 YPC.)While comparing RBs to QBs might be just a small difference in degree, using the same tools to compare WRs is a difference in kind. The analog to pass attempts and rush attempts would be targets, but we don’t have target data stretching back many years. So we’ll have to use receptions, which may be a little misleading. Here’s the list, anyway:

13t 1976 Roger Carr13 2000 Torry Holt11t 1996 Isaac Bruce11t 1978 Wesley Walker8 2006 Chad Johnson8 1983 Mike Quick7 2001 David Boston6t 1977 Drew Pearson5 2004 Muhsin Muhammad5 1989 Jerry Rice5 1979 Steve Largent4 1998 Antonio Freeman4 1981 Alfred Jenkins4 1975 Ken Burrough4 1970 Gene Washington3 1997 Rob Moore3 1984 Roy Green2t 1988 Henry Ellard2t 1995 Jerry Rice2 1999 Marvin Harrison2 1994 Jerry Rice2 1993 Jerry Rice2 1991 Michael Irvin2 1985 Steve Largent2 1982 Wes Chandler2 1974 Cliff Branch2 1971 Otis Taylor1t 2005 Steve Smith1t 1980 John Jefferson1 2003 Torry Holt1 2002 Marvin Harrison1 1992 Sterling Sharpe1 1990 Jerry Rice1 1987 JT Smith1 1986 Jerry Rice1 1973 Harold Carmichael1 1972 Harold JacksonADDENDUM by Doug:Here is the flip side: the league leaders in attempts who ranked lowest in yards.

Passing

Code:
Att. Leader		   YR		  Yd rank=========================================Jon Kitna			2001			16Drew Bledsoe		 1995			11Jim Hart			 1974			 7Jim Zorn			 1976			 7Vinny Testaverde	 2000			 6Brett Favre		  2006			 6Brad Johnson		 2003			 5Steve Deberg		 1979			 5Brett Favre		  1999			 4Roman Gabriel		1970			 4Brett Favre		  2005			 3Peyton Manning	   1998			 3Dan Marino		   1997			 3Drew Bledsoe		 1996			 3Joe Montana		  1982			 2Archie Manning	   1972			 2John Elway		   1985			 2Bill Kenney		  1983			 2Fran Tarkenton	   1975			 2Trent Green		  2004			 2
Rushing
Code:
Att. Leader		   YR		  Yd rank=========================================Ricky Williams	   2003			10Earnest Byner		1990			 4Ricky Watters		1996			 4Stephen Davis		2001			 3O.J. Simpson		 1974			 3Emmitt Smith		 1994			 3James Wilder		 1984			 3Eddie George		 2000			 3Jerome Bettis		1997			 3Thurman Thomas	   1993			 3Ron Johnson		  1972			 3Ron Johnson		  1970			 2Jamal Anderson	   1998			 2Walter Payton		1979			 2Barry Foster		 1992			 2Tony Dorsett		 1982			 2Walter Payton		1976			 2Larry Johnson		2006			 2Walter Payton		1978			 2Gerald Riggs		 1985			 2
 
This is pretty cool info to look at, but aren't you basically just saying that YPA matters? Just going with that, here were the 2006 top QBs for YPA:

Code:
NAME	YPATony Romo QB, DAL	8.61D. McNabb QB, PHI	8.38Drew Brees QB, NOR	7.98P. Manning QB, IND	7.89C. Palmer QB, CIN	7.76D. Huard QB, KAN	7.7B. Roethlisberger QB, PIT	7.49P. Rivers QB, SDG	7.37M. Bulger QB, STL	7.32D. Garrard QB, JAC	7.2J. Losman QB, BUF	7.11Jon Kitna QB, DET	7.06C. Pennington QB, NYJ	6.91M. Brunell QB, WAS	6.88Tom Brady QB, NWE	6.84M. Leinart QB, ARI	6.76R. Grossman QB, CHI	6.65M. Hasselbeck QB, SEA	6.58Alex Smith QB, SFO	6.54S. McNair QB, BAL	6.52J. Delhomme QB, CAR	6.51M. Vick QB, ATL	6.38B. Favre QB, GNB	6.34J. Plummer QB, DEN	6.29B. Johnson QB, MIN	6.26David Carr QB, HOU	6.26C. Frye QB, CLE	6.26E. Manning QB, NYG	6.22V. Young QB, TEN	6.16A. Walter QB, OAK	6.08J. Harrington QB, MIA	5.76B. Gradkowski QB, TAM	5.06
 
It's not a coincidence that there are relatively few West Coast guys at the top and more Coryell guys.

 
I agree that this is mostly YPA and mostly YPC (I think the receiver list is even less worthwhile than the other lists, which are just trivia anyway). One way to say Namath was great in 1972 is that he averaged 8.7 Y/A; another is that he led the league in passing yards despite ranking 7th in attempts.

Conversely, when someone says Jon Kitna was pretty good in 2001 because he passed for 3216 yards, there are two responses. One is he only averaged 5.5 Y/A, and Y/A is a better indicator of how good he is than his passing yards. Another way is that he ranked 1st in the league in pass attempts and 16th in pass yards, so he wasn't anything near pretty good.

 

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