Sources say shooting occurred at Michael Vick birthday party (1 Viewer)

[identikit]

Sources say Virginia Beach club shooting was at Vick birthday party

VIRGINIA BEACH — A man was shot outside of a Virginia Beach club early this morning, and sources have said that the incident occurred at a birthday party for NFL star Michael Vick.

Several people who attended the party say that the non-fatal shooting outside Guadalajara, in the 4600 block of Columbus Street in the Town Center of Virginia Beach, occurred at one of a handful of birthday celebrations for Vick last night. Adam Bernstein, spokesman for Virginia Beach police, declined to comment on whether the event at the club was connected to Vick.

The shooting occurred around 2:10 a.m. Bernstein said a fight broke out as the club was closing, and one man was shot. He said the victim had initially declined medical treatment, but he was eventually transported to a local hospital to be treated for injuries that were not life-threatening. There was no information on suspects, and Bernstein said the victim and witnesses were "uncooperative."

http://www.wtkr.com/news/wtkr-vick-scene,0,4803343.story

 

[Multiple Scores]

He said the victim had initially declined medical treatment, but he was eventually transported to a local hospital to be treated for injuries that were not life-threatening.

So how was this determined? Did he say "Ruff Ruff", wag his tail, shake, roll over, wimper?

 

[34=Sweetness]

"Changed man"

Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.

Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

 

[Yenrub]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

 

[identikit]

Lawyer: Vick not involved in shooting outside club

VIRGINIA BEACH, Va. -- An attorney for Michael Vick says the quarterback was not present when a shooting took place outside a nightclub where Vick had celebrated his birthday.

Larry Woodward says the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback was neither involved nor present when the shooting occurred early Friday.

Virginia Beach Police spokesman Adam Bernstein said a man sustained non-life-threatening injuries in the shooting at around 2 a.m. outside the club Guadalajara. Vick's party had started there late Thursday.

Bernstein said he knew nothing about any connection to Vick's party.

Bernstein said the victim was taken to the hospital. He says the victim and witnesses were uncooperative other than describing the shooter as a black man in a white Cadillac Escalade.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/1356533...utside-club/rss

 

[fridayfrenzy]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

 

[Truman]

The news that a man was shot at a 30th birthday party for Eagles quarterback Michael Vick has taken a twist, with reports that Quanis Phillips, one of the co-defendants in the infamous dog fighting case that landed Vick in prison, was the victim in the shooting, and that he was shot after a confrontation with Vick.

The Daily Press of Hampton Roads, Virginia reports that a spokesman for Sentara Virginia Beach General Hospital confirmed that Phillips was admitted early this morning and was listed in good condition.

A spokesman for Virginia Beach police said the shooting occurred around 2:10 a.m. after a fight broke out at the club where Vick was having a birthday party, just as the club was closing.

According to Daily Press reporter David Squires, Phillips showed up to the party even though Vick is not supposed to be associating with any of his dog fighting co-defendants.

Squires writes that there was a confrontation between Phillips and Vick inside the party, that the confrontation then moved outside, and that's when Phillips was shot.

Vick's lawyer, Larry Woodward, says Vick was not involved and was not present when the shooting occurred.

According to the Daily Press report, there were witnesses who "don't want it to be known if they were witnesses." Police say the victim and witnesses were uncooperative.

In 2004, Vick was present when Phillips allegedly stole a Rolex watch from an airport X-ray belt.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...tion-with-vick/

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

There can be dumb### in any crowd.

 

[Multiple Scores]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

There can be dumb### in any crowd.

Of course there can. From personal experience, I have NEVER had a dumb### in my crowd where shots were fired or even a gun was pulled out, that plus the fact that I got 12 years on Vick and he seems to always be around the dumb### in a crowd, maybe it's not everyone else's fault, maybe Vick is simply a thug and people need to stop blaming others and making excuses for the guy.

 

[34=Sweetness]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

There can be dumb### in any crowd.

And when you are a convicted felon you should probably stop throwing inviting gun toting buddies to your birthday party, since it would be wise to avoid the unwanted attention.Even if he isn't involved, everyone knows that "I'm a changed man and I care about dogs and talk to charities and stuff" is nothing more than a face to get him back into the NFL.

 

[34=Sweetness]

http://weblogs.dailypress.com/news/local/u..._over_cake.html

Oh look, more idiocy. Associating with a co-defendant in his trial!

 

[Zoomanji]

Frankly, I'm shocked that Mr. Vick would associate with such thuggery

 

[footballsavvy]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

There can be dumb### in any crowd.

Of course there can. From personal experience, I have NEVER had a dumb### in my crowd where shots were fired or even a gun was pulled out, that plus the fact that I got 12 years on Vick and he seems to always be around the dumb### in a crowd, maybe it's not everyone else's fault, maybe Vick is simply a thug and people need to stop blaming others and making excuses for the guy.

Exactly. It's your brithday. Fine go out and have fun. There are plenty of clubs that don't draw the kind of crowd that carry guns. You don't have to wear your hair like a gangster and dress like a thug. If you act normal and dress normal, you are low key and people don't start #### with you. If you stroll around thuggish clubs dressed like a thug with a posse of thug-looking friends, then you will eventually be involved in a confronation by other thugs.... even if you don't "want any trouble". There are other way's to enjoy life. No one is saying he can't go out to the club and have fun. He just needs some perspective and he needs to quit worrying about being perceived as being cool by his peers. You would think that being an NFL quarterback would be enough of the cool factor to not crumble so easily to peer pressure.

 

[Jeremy]

Sources say Virginia Beach club shooting was at Vick birthday party

VIRGINIA BEACH — A man was shot outside of a Virginia Beach club early this morning, and sources have said that the incident occurred at a birthday party for NFL star Michael Vick.

Several people who attended the party say that the non-fatal shooting outside Guadalajara, in the 4600 block of Columbus Street in the Town Center of Virginia Beach, occurred at one of a handful of birthday celebrations for Vick last night. Adam Bernstein, spokesman for Virginia Beach police, declined to comment on whether the event at the club was connected to Vick.

The shooting occurred around 2:10 a.m. Bernstein said a fight broke out as the club was closing, and one man was shot. He said the victim had initially declined medical treatment, but he was eventually transported to a local hospital to be treated for injuries that were not life-threatening. There was no information on suspects, and Bernstein said the victim and witnesses were "uncooperative."

http://www.wtkr.com/news/wtkr-vick-scene,0,4803343.story

How many birthday celebrations does one man need?

 

[Don Quixote]

http://weblogs.dailypress.com/news/local/u..._over_cake.html

Oh look, more idiocy. Associating with a co-defendant in his trial!

But the story goes that Quanis threatened to smash birthday cake in Vick's face, or that he actually smashed the cake in Vick's face.

Another version is that someone smashed cake in Quanis' face -- or threatened to smash it in his face.

 

[purestrength]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

I am predicting that Kolb will suffer some relatively minor injury, forcing the Eagles to start the frequently fortunate Vick for one or two games. But this time, his luck runs out and he plays one of the worst QB games in NFL history. I'm still trying to determine which game that will be.

 

[Summer Wheat]

Bars and NFL players do not mix well.

 

[TommyGilmore]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Who cares? It's obvious he's still a thug because a shooting took place while he was in the vicinity!!!!111

 

[34=Sweetness]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Who cares? It's obvious he's still a thug because a shooting took place while he was in the vicinity!!!!111

Dude was running an interstate illegal dogfighting and gambling ring, then tried to pull the "i didn't know it was illegal" card. To get back into football, he pulled out a lot of crocodile tears, and people in Philly are too dumb to see he's aA) bad quarterbackB) bad person also

 

[Mark Wimer]

This could be a problem for Vick with Goodell regardless of who pulled the trigger or the circumstances of the altercation. Remember the terms of his "conditional reinstatement to the NFL":

In the July 27 letter communicating to Vick his conditional reinstatement, Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote that "you are required to abide by the terms of the supervised release that were imposed on you by the court, which include not committing any further crime, limits on who you may associate with, prohibitions regarding drug and alcohol use, possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, and forbidding you to own, possess or be involved with the sale of any dog."

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[Multiple Scores]

This could be a problem for Vick with Goodell regardless of who pulled the trigger or the circumstances of the altercation. Remember the terms of his "conditional reinstatement to the NFL":

In the July 27 letter communicating to Vick his conditional reinstatement, Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote that "you are required to abide by the terms of the supervised release that were imposed on you by the court, which include not committing any further crime, limits on who you may associate with, prohibitions regarding drug and alcohol use, possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, and forbidding you to own, possess or be involved with the sale of any dog."

LINKMy .

Lifetime ban + give Eagles rights to take any money he stole from them.

 

[TommyGilmore]

This could be a problem for Vick with Goodell regardless of who pulled the trigger or the circumstances of the altercation. Remember the terms of his "conditional reinstatement to the NFL":

In the July 27 letter communicating to Vick his conditional reinstatement, Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote that "you are required to abide by the terms of the supervised release that were imposed on you by the court, which include not committing any further crime, limits on who you may associate with, prohibitions regarding drug and alcohol use, possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, and forbidding you to own, possess or be involved with the sale of any dog."

LINKMy .

Just wondering why you highlighted "possession of a firearm"? Do you have evidence that such a thing took place?

 

[mozzy84]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Who cares? It's obvious he's still a thug because a shooting took place while he was in the vicinity!!!!111

 

[34=Sweetness]

This could be a problem for Vick with Goodell regardless of who pulled the trigger or the circumstances of the altercation. Remember the terms of his "conditional reinstatement to the NFL":

In the July 27 letter communicating to Vick his conditional reinstatement, Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote that "you are required to abide by the terms of the supervised release that were imposed on you by the court, which include not committing any further crime, limits on who you may associate with, prohibitions regarding drug and alcohol use, possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, and forbidding you to own, possess or be involved with the sale of any dog."

LINKMy .

Forgot about the drug/alcohol thing. I'm sure he wasn't drinking at his birthday party at a ritzy club. Yeah, they were all drinking soda.

 

[Donnybrook]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

So if the paparazzi gets shot at outside Tom and Giselle wedding, it shows that Tom is still hanging out with the wrong crowd. Vick can't be held responsible for other people's actions - friends or otherwise.

 

[Zoomanji]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

So if the paparazzi gets shot at outside Tom and Giselle wedding, it shows that Tom is still hanging out with the wrong crowd. Vick can't be held responsible for other people's actions - friends or otherwise.

pretty sure, Tom isn't an ex-con

 

[lynx4ben]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

So if the paparazzi gets shot at outside Tom and Giselle wedding, it shows that Tom is still hanging out with the wrong crowd. Vick can't be held responsible for other people's actions - friends or otherwise.

By the terms of his federal probation he was forbidden from communication with that dude. So yes if he was there Vick should have immediately left the scene not get in a fight with him as is being reported. And if there was a picture you can bet he would be in deep doo doo. But that's neither here nor there because that analogy stinks to begin with.

 

[Donnybrook]

By the terms of his federal probation he was forbidden from communication with that dude. So yes if he was associating Vick should have immediately left the scene not get in a fight with him. And if there was a picture you can bet he would be in deep doo doo.

But that's neither here nor there because that analogy stinks to begin with.

 

[cr8f]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

There can be dumb### in any crowd.

And when you are a convicted felon you should probably stop throwing inviting gun toting buddies to your birthday party, since it would be wise to avoid the unwanted attention.Even if he isn't involved, everyone knows that "I'm a changed man and I care about dogs and talk to charities and stuff" is nothing more than a face to get him back into the NFL.

Yes he should and he is at fault for still hanging around with these guys. But hanging around with thugs doesn't make him one.

 

[Sweet Love]

I used to always agree with the mentality that "you can always choose your friends", but if you really think about, is he going to just "out of the blue" start hanging out with i-bankers from Amherst College and clinical pyschologists from Oberlin and make them his new "circle of friends"?? Not only would he have nothing in common with them, but why would they want to associate with him?

 

[Genghis Khan]

Bad news seems to be dogging Vick.

You can change all you want, but sometimes your past will come back to bite you.

 

[redBourne]

Holy 'ef people. Calm down. I'm not a Vick supporter by any means. In fact, I very much dislike him on the grounds that I think he was over-hyped as a QB in his early NFL days. However, the several reports I read about the incident don't put Vick at the scene of the night club with this took place. He had several birthday parties going on, and could have left this club at 9:00 pm that night and gone to another one of his hot spots. Unless I read otherwise how would any of us know?

It's not like Vick's name wouldn't spread like fire through the town and any number of 'riff raffs' could have shown up after hours "when the club was closing down". But because he was there, at some point that night, he's a gangsta.

He's not the most honorable person, and I too think he's just playing the act for everyone to get in the good graces of the NFL, but he's not guilty of everything that happens...

 

[cr8f]

I'm not a fan either but it's hard to divorce your family even when you should.

Police confirmed Friday that Michael Vick is not part of the probe investigating Friday morning's shooting outside a club on the night of Vick's birthday party.

Vick apparently got into it with his cousin Quanis Phillips before the shooting, but police spokesman Adam Bernstein announced Friday that the Eagles' third-stringer "is of no interest to us." The Eagles released a statement on the situation: "We are aware of the incident that occurred in Virginia early this morning and are in the process of gathering all of the facts. Until then, we will not have any comment on this matter."

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

 

[ScottyFargo]

So if the paparazzi gets shot at outside Tom and Giselle wedding, it shows that Tom is still hanging out with the wrong crowd. Vick can't be held responsible for other people's actions - friends or otherwise.

pretty sure, Tom isn't an ex-con

Was Marvin Harrison?

 

[Cassius]

I don't get why this has anything to do with Vick.

 

[metoo]

There are many of you who are jumping to conclusions about what happened. The local news here is reporting there were several parties thrown for Vick last night and it is not known whether Vick was at this club. Parties are thrown for celebrities all the time and they don't show up.

 

[identikit]

Roddy White says he left party before fight

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 25, 2010 5:44 PM ET

Michael Vick picked up Roddy White at the airport on Thursday in anticipation of Vick's 30th birthday party and Vick's youth football camp held at Hampton University.

White says he and his ex-quarterback were gone by the time a fight broke out, ending in gunshots.

"We were already gone by the time that stuff started happening, so I don't know what's going to go on with that or whatever, but we didn't have anything to do with it," White told the Daily Press on Friday, during a break from camp.

The fight occurred at 2:10 A.M. and Vick's old dogfighting co-defendent Quanis Phillips was reportedly shot, although he didn't want anyone to know. Police say Phillips initially tried to drive away from the scene before getting pulled over, and being taken to the hospital.

Vick spoke to campers on Thursday, but it's unclear if he was there Friday too. Some of Vick's words on Thursday:

"I tell these kids the truth, because I don't want them to follow in my footsteps working so hard for everything that they've accomplished and building a legacy, and not having the opportunity to defend that legacy if something detrimental happened," Vick said.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...y-before-fight/

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Police: Vick 'Of No Interest' in Shooting Probe

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25

6/25/2010 5:20:53 PM | More

Virginia Beach police say Eagles quarterback Michael Vick is "of no interest to us" as they investigate a shooting that occurred early this morning outside a restaurant where Vick reportedly had been celebrating his 30th birthday according to Les Bowen of the Philadelphia Daily News.

However, given the stringent protocols of Vick's reinstatement to football last year by NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, it might not be a great thing for the Eagles' backup quarterback that a man identified by Virginia Beach General Hospital as Quanis Phillips, one of Vick's 2007 dogfighting codefendants, suffered a nonlifethreatening wound in the incident. Vick is not supposed to associate with anyone from his dogfighting days, after serving more than a year and a half in prison and being released on probation before his reinstatement last year.

Police spokesman Adam Bernstein said his department got a cell-phoned 911 call at 2:11 AM from someone who had heard an argument followed by a gunshot in the 4600 block of Columbus Street, in Virginia Beach's Town Center section. Officers arrived at the Guadalajara nightclub/restaurant and were told the victim had just gotten into a vehicle, to be driven to the hospital. The police stopped the vehicle, Bernstein, said, and transported the adult male victim by ambulance to the hospital for treatment of a gunshot wound to his leg.

Bernstein said the officers' report characterized the victim as "very uncooperative," which he said was also the case with other witnesses. Bernstein said all police knew about the shooter was that he was said to be a black male wearing a white tank top, who left the area in a white Cadillac Escalade.

NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said the league is looking into the incident "to determine the facts." When Goodell allowed Vick to return to the NFL last July, one part of the letter announcing the decision said: "Needless to say, your margin for error is extremely limited."

Vick's agent, Joel Segal, did not respond to a request for comment from the Daily News. Vick's attorney Larry Woodward told the Associated Press that Vick was neither involved in nor present for the shooting

 

[FavreCo]

Police: Vick 'Of No Interest' in Shooting Probe

No interest to police. BIG interest to the Commish's office.You just can't fix stupid.

 

[fatness]

But the story goes that Quanis threatened to smash birthday cake in Vick's face, or that he actually smashed the cake in Vick's face.

Another version is that someone smashed cake in Quanis' face -- or threatened to smash it in his face.

Police spokesman Adam Bernstein told the Philadelphia Daily News that Eagles QB Michael Vick is "of no interest" to the investigation of a shooting at a party celebrating Vick's birthday on Friday morning.

link

 

[fatness]

The co-defendant is named Quanis Phillips and he was shot outside a Virginia Beach, Va. nightclub that was hosting a birthday party for Vick. According to the police and Vick's representatives he was not present at the party nor is he part of the investigation into the shooting.

Link

 

[Adebisi]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

So if the paparazzi gets shot at outside Tom and Giselle wedding, it shows that Tom is still hanging out with the wrong crowd. Vick can't be held responsible for other people's actions - friends or otherwise.

No one got shot at Tom's wedding, but don't let the facts get in the way.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Police: Vick 'Of No Interest' in Shooting Probe

No interest to police. BIG interest to the Commish's office.You just can't fix stupid.

If it happened after Vick left (or if Vick was never even there in the first place), and the police say that Vick had nothing to do with it......then the Commissioner's office isn't going to do anything about it.

 

[az_prof]

Police: Vick 'Of No Interest' in Shooting Probe

No interest to police. BIG interest to the Commish's office.You just can't fix stupid.

A lot of smoke; no fire. What I DO see are the 'usual suspects' jumping to conclusions before all the facts are in.

 

[Bob Magaw]

whether he was around at the time or had anything to do with the shooting, isn't as troubling as if his cousin (the shootee - also convicted by feds in dog fighting/killing indictment) was there when vick WAS present earlier... it sounds like that probably was a term of his probabtion to not have any former criminal associates around (begging the question... what if he was married and she was involved in the dog ring... could he not associate with his wife any longer... could a marriage be dissolved over a probation condition... any precedents to the lawyers on the board?)...

in one report, it mentioned some kind of confrontation between vick and his cousin... if the confrontation was about vick asking him to leave, i don't know what kind of legal gray area that presents... obviously that would seem to be a different case if he was given an engraved invitation, and it was advertised in the paper the cousin would be there (ike antoine bethea reportedly was)...

what if the confrontation was a story concocted after the fact, to protect vick? it was reported that witnesses were uncooperative... that could be for other reasons... maybe strangers don't want to get involved testifying against violent, homicidal shooters that may or may not have gang affiliations... maybe some people just weren't in the vicinity and saw what precipitated the shooting, or the shooting itself... but i think THE key, linchpin question is... was vick complicit in his cousin being there or not... not sure how easy that would be to prove without witness testimony?

as to the police not being interested, they weren't interested in prosecuting him for dog fighting in the first place, and that didn't turn out to good for vick before... i'm not a lawyer, but if he is on parole with the feds, and something seems kind of hinky, isn't it their perogative and JURISDICTION to decide if further investigation is warranted... no idea if anything will come of this, but IF his cousin was there with vick's knowledge and consent (and can be proven), obviously we have seen before that what local law enforcement thinks or does could end up being the LEAST of his worries...

* if you get popped for robbing a bank with three of your perp buddies, get sent up for a few years, and upon release are admonished by the judge that being found in the company of your buddies will be a violation of probation terms and lead to further incarceration... and soon after, you are caught with those same buddies in a car near a bank after hours, even if they didn't have bank blueprints and schematics, safe specs, drills, blowtorches and other safe cracking parapenelia... JUST the mere fact of being together, would violate probation.

** on the one hand, as a matter of principle, i agree we shouldn't jump to conclusions until more facts are in... on the other, lets just say if i was in the middle of a dynasty draft and thinking about pulling the trigger on him (maybe i should rephrase that), in the absence of harder information which may be forthcoming soon, even the circumstances and the fact that his probation put him on a shorter lease (did it again), might give me serious pause in taking him.

 

[coachjim]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

So if the paparazzi gets shot at outside Tom and Giselle wedding, it shows that Tom is still hanging out with the wrong crowd. Vick can't be held responsible for other people's actions - friends or otherwise.

You have got to be as dumb as Vick to make that statement. His probation for the league states that he can not be around firearms or people that carry firearms. Guess what. He has got to be the dumbestpoerson in the world and he should be treated as such. I can't believe he is still stealing money from clubs like the Eagles. Hope the Eagles lose every game they play.

 

[Bob Magaw]

please refrain from name calling in this thread... if you don't like vick as a person or are quicker to form an opinion than some (edit/add - really, even the former is more FFA fodder, and unnecessarily clutters things up here), restrict yourself to making your point in those terms...

obviously the circumstances of his conviction cause different levels of intensity of feeling in others... upping the ante with personal exchanges is never good here... try and comport yourself dispassionately in the SP in terms of your thoughts and words... what you feel about him as a person is your business... AS LONG AS it doesn't negatively spill into exchanges here...

 

[purestrength]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

So if the paparazzi gets shot at outside Tom and Giselle wedding, it shows that Tom is still hanging out with the wrong crowd. Vick can't be held responsible for other people's actions - friends or otherwise.

You have got to be as dumb as Vick to make that statement. His probation for the league states that he can not be around firearms or people that carry firearms. Guess what. He has got to be the dumbestpoerson in the world and he should be treated as such. I can't believe he is still stealing money from clubs like the Eagles. Hope the Eagles lose every game they play.

If Kolb gets injured for any length of time, they just might. And I will love every minute of watching Vick self-destruct.

 

[Lake Titicaca]

. . . occurred at one of a handful of birthday celebrations for Vick last night.

Which one was the clown at?

 

[Mr. Retukes]

What I DO see are the 'usual suspects' jumping to conclusions before all the facts are in.

Too bad the moderators can't ban them on the assumption that they probably did something wrong.