Sources say shooting occurred at Michael Vick birthday party (1 Viewer)

[Phurfur]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

There can be dumb### in any crowd.

I have never been around a shooting, how about you?

 

[Johnny Ice]

Wow. There are several people in this thread that have no idea about night life for NFL types or anybody for that matter. All it takes is a radio announcement "Michael Vick Bday Party at XYZ Club" and you have any and everybody showing up. If it is known there are going to be plenty of women there, then the unruly types are going to flock in full force. The majority of these clowns that start trouble are just hanging around in the parking lot and never even get into the club. How is Vick on the hook for that? This lifetime condemnation some of you guys place on Vick is ridiculously lame. Just let it go, you'll feel better.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I have never been around a shooting, how about you?

Pope John Paul II, Ronald Reagan, John Lennon must be bad since they were around shootings then? You can't control the nutjobs that exist out there.

 

[Tyrion]

I have never been around a shooting, how about you?

Pope John Paul II, Ronald Reagan, John Lennon must be bad since they were around shootings then? You can't control the nutjobs that exist out there.

Never trusted those guys.

 

[Donnybrook]

"Changed man"

Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.

Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

So if the paparazzi gets shot at outside Tom and Giselle wedding, it shows that Tom is still hanging out with the wrong crowd. Vick can't be held responsible for other people's actions - friends or otherwise.

No one got shot at Tom's wedding, but don't let the facts get in the way.

Learn to read. Being shot at is different than being shot. How did the bullett holes get into the vehicle? Maybe, I should have said that neither Vick or Brady can be held responsible for other people's actions.

 

[Lake Titicaca]

Wow. There are several people in this thread that have no idea about night life for NFL types or anybody for that matter. All it takes is a radio announcement "Michael Vick Bday Party at XYZ Club" and you have any and everybody showing up. If it is known there are going to be plenty of women there, then the unruly types are going to flock in full force. The majority of these clowns that start trouble are just hanging around in the parking lot and never even get into the club. How is Vick on the hook for that? This lifetime condemnation some of you guys place on Vick is ridiculously lame. Just let it go, you'll feel better.

Sooooooooooooooooooooooo . . . wild idea, I know, but stay with me- maybe don't have a public b-day party with loads of women (of high character, I'm sure) that can get announced on the radio and attract everybody and their brother when you're trying to rebuild your reputation and career, and are on the thinnest of ice with the league commissioner who will decide whether you even retain the chance to complete that career rebuilding.

 

[ditka311]

Wow. There are several people in this thread that have no idea about night life for NFL types or anybody for that matter. All it takes is a radio announcement "Michael Vick Bday Party at XYZ Club" and you have any and everybody showing up. If it is known there are going to be plenty of women there, then the unruly types are going to flock in full force. The majority of these clowns that start trouble are just hanging around in the parking lot and never even get into the club. How is Vick on the hook for that? This lifetime condemnation some of you guys place on Vick is ridiculously lame. Just let it go, you'll feel better.

Sure, if it was some random guy that had no association with Vick you can make this argument. It wasn't so I am not buying it.

 

[Summer Wheat]

Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.

Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

So if the paparazzi gets shot at outside Tom and Giselle wedding, it shows that Tom is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

Vick can't be held responsible for other people's actions - friends or otherwise.

No one got shot at Tom's wedding, but don't let the facts get in the way.

Learn to read. Being shot at is different than being shot. How did the bullett holes get into the vehicle?

Maybe, I should have said that neither Vick or Brady can be held responsible for other people's actions.

Why does Vick keep putting himself in these kinds of situations? A lower key party at his home seems to make better sense while on parole.

 

[az_prof]

Why does Vick keep putting himself in these kinds of situations? A lower key party at his home seems to make better sense while on parole.

What situation in this case? Having a party? Having someone else show up at the party and do something stupid after he left? Do you know if his cousin was invited or just showed up? Do you know if he stayed and partied with the cousin or if he left as soon as he showed up. Truth is that you know nothing about what happened but you want to start throwing around accusations because that is what the media and fans do in the summer and spring when they are bored.

Why hasn't someone started a thread for the DUI that the President of the Lions was arrested for? Maybe he and Jerry Jones can sit around and get drunk together. That ought to be good for the league's image. If they get bored they can invite Coach Payton to come and take some Vicodin with them. And if they really get bored they can start a fight with Coach Cable.

Frankly, the hypocrisy and double standard in all of this "moral clause" business is pretty pathetic.

 

[massraider]

loads of women (of high character, I'm sure)

Ok, are we looking for Vick to avoid all women, or just those that attend nightclubs?

 

[Mark Wimer]

This could be a problem for Vick with Goodell regardless of who pulled the trigger or the circumstances of the altercation. Remember the terms of his "conditional reinstatement to the NFL":

In the July 27 letter communicating to Vick his conditional reinstatement, Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote that "you are required to abide by the terms of the supervised release that were imposed on you by the court, which include not committing any further crime, limits on who you may associate with, prohibitions regarding drug and alcohol use, possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, and forbidding you to own, possess or be involved with the sale of any dog."

LINKMy .

Just wondering why you highlighted "possession of a firearm"? Do you have evidence that such a thing took place?

Well, somebody got shot. So I'm pretty sure that someone at Vick's party had possession of a firearm. It would be pretty hard for somebody to get shot without a firearm in the vicinity.Depending on how you read the compound sentence from Goodell's letter, "limits on who you may associate with" may also apply to use of "drugs and alcohol" and the "possession of a firearm".

In other words, it could be that commissioner Goodell will assert that not only is Vick expected to be drug, alcohol and weapon-free, but also that his associates should also be drug, alcohol and weapon free.

Vick was conditionally re-instated the the NFL after a horrid PR fiasco/prison sentence. He is being held to a higher standard than other players generally are by the commissioner. For example, I'm pretty sure that most other NFL players are allowed to own dogs.

My .

 

[massraider]

In other words, it could be that commissioner Goodell will assert that not only is Vick expected to be drug, alcohol and weapon-free, but also that his associates should also be drug, alcohol and weapon free.

That would take some pretty serious lawyer-ing to convince anyone that that was the way to read that sentence, and even then, there is nothing I have heard about Vick's friends being armed.Unless it turns out that the shooter was a personal friend of Vick, that was at the party on his invite, then this shouldn't go anywhere.The cops are saying there's no interest in Vick, and he wasn't even there when it happened. Good thing a drunk driver didn't hit his car, we could get him on alcohol charges.

 

[JetMaxx]

In other words, it could be that commissioner Goodell will assert that not only is Vick expected to be drug, alcohol and weapon-free, but also that his associates should also be drug, alcohol and weapon free.

That would take some pretty serious lawyer-ing to convince anyone that that was the way to read that sentence, and even then, there is nothing I have heard about Vick's friends being armed.Unless it turns out that the shooter was a personal friend of Vick, that was at the party on his invite, then this shouldn't go anywhere.

The cops are saying there's no interest in Vick, and he wasn't even there when it happened.

Good thing a drunk driver didn't hit his car, we could get him on alcohol charges.

While far from a Vick apologist/defender, this place cracks me up sometimes. So let's get this straight. Vick has a birthday party, some guy who isn't invited shows up and gets shot while Vick isn't there and Vick is to be held accountable?

 

[Genghis Khan]

In other words, it could be that commissioner Goodell will assert that not only is Vick expected to be drug, alcohol and weapon-free, but also that his associates should also be drug, alcohol and weapon free.

That would take some pretty serious lawyer-ing to convince anyone that that was the way to read that sentence, and even then, there is nothing I have heard about Vick's friends being armed.Unless it turns out that the shooter was a personal friend of Vick, that was at the party on his invite, then this shouldn't go anywhere.

The cops are saying there's no interest in Vick, and he wasn't even there when it happened.

Good thing a drunk driver didn't hit his car, we could get him on alcohol charges.

While far from a Vick apologist/defender, this place cracks me up sometimes. So let's get this straight. Vick has a birthday party, some guy who isn't invited shows up and gets shot while Vick isn't there and Vick is to be held accountable?

I think you're saying that dog won't hunt.

 

[Lake Titicaca]

loads of women (of high character, I'm sure)

Ok, are we looking for Vick to avoid all women, or just those that attend nightclubs?

How about women who attract thugs with firearms. I'm sure Vick would know who I'm talking about, and that's the point.

 

[fatness]

Michael Vick voluntarily called Virginia Beach police this morning and went in to answer questions about Friday morning’s shooting at a Town Center restaurant, his attorney said today.

Vick and his attorney, Lawrence H. Woodward Jr., spoke with a detective about what happened at Vick’s birthday bash before the shooting. Woodward said Vick left the party about 30 minutes before shots were fired.

The Philadelphia Eagles quarterback told detectives he did not know who the shooter was and was not even there when it happened, Woodward said. The police, in turn, informed Vick he was not a suspect or even a person of interest in the shooting, he said.

Link

 

[ditka311]

loads of women (of high character, I'm sure)

Ok, are we looking for Vick to avoid all women, or just those that attend nightclubs?

Well, if the rumors about Mr. Mexico are true, its probably in all ladies' best interest to avoid Vick.

 

[Ksquared]

Something I think is being missed in all of this. Is Vick not just on probation with Goodell but also law enforcement. On the NFL radio yesterday, they commented that there is a belief that both Goodell and the legal conditions of his probation do not allow association with any know felons. Which reportedly the guy that was shot was one of the others prosecuted with Vick on the dog charges. I also heard that this party was open to the public (advertised) for $20.

Vick has not room for mistakes in his behavior, so for those defending him - I agree this should not be a big deal, except he likely broke his probation by attending. He does not get a normal life like you or me until his probation is finished.

 

[massraider]

except he likely broke his probation by attending.

I don't think that's likely at all.

 

[massraider]

loads of women (of high character, I'm sure)

Ok, are we looking for Vick to avoid all women, or just those that attend nightclubs?

How about women who attract thugs with firearms. I'm sure Vick would know who I'm talking about, and that's the point.

That's the point? You said nothing about that before, and really, this statement just clouds it. Can you explain your point, cause I am obviously missing it.

 

[Ksquared]

Not that the guys on the radio are always correct, in fact quite often they are not. But the person coordinating/advertising the party supposedly was a known felon to Vick. I have heard this no where else, so I am not sure if it true, but these are things that Vick has to be aware of.

I don't think some in this thread realize that his future decisions legally as well as with the NFL are on very different level than the DUI/other offenders we are used to discussing.

 

[identikit]

Restaurant owner: Video shows Vick leaving three minutes before shooting

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 29, 2010 8:22 PM ET

Michael Vick and his lawyer could have a major timeline problem.

The owner of the restaurant that hosted Vick's birthday party last week says he has video of Vick and "his entourage" driving away from the restaurant at 2:07 A.M., only three minutes before gunshots were fired in the direction the cars went.

Florio is spending some much deserved time with the family, so I'll say it: wow.

"I'm not saying that Michael Vick did the shooting," Allen Fabija told the Daily Press. "But he did not leave [long] before" the shooting like Vick told police, according to Vick's lawyer.

Vick's camp has consistently painted a picture of the Eagles quarterback leaving his party well before the shooting. First, we heard 30 minutes. Vick's attorney Larry Woodward told the AP on Tuesday that his client left at least 10 minutes before the shooting and up to 20 minutes before.

Now there is possibly video evidence putting the number at three minutes.

Woodward and Vick better hope the video proves Fabija lied to the newspaper. Otherwise, Vick's entire account to police will be called into question.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...efore-shooting/

 

[Mark Wimer]

In other words, it could be that commissioner Goodell will assert that not only is Vick expected to be drug, alcohol and weapon-free, but also that his associates should also be drug, alcohol and weapon free.

That would take some pretty serious lawyer-ing to convince anyone that that was the way to read that sentence, and even then, there is nothing I have heard about Vick's friends being armed.Unless it turns out that the shooter was a personal friend of Vick, that was at the party on his invite, then this shouldn't go anywhere.

The cops are saying there's no interest in Vick, and he wasn't even there when it happened.

Good thing a drunk driver didn't hit his car, we could get him on alcohol charges.

While far from a Vick apologist/defender, this place cracks me up sometimes. So let's get this straight. Vick has a birthday party, some guy who isn't invited shows up and gets shot while Vick isn't there and Vick is to be held accountable?

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my reply. Allow me to explain.Vick is expected to live a squeaky-clean life by the commissioner. He isn't supposed to be consuming alcohol or drugs, toting around guns, or associating with people who do those things. "Keep your nose clean and live a clean life" is the implicit message of Goodell's letter, at least if you expect the "conditional reinstatement" to continue.

A birthday party at a club where a shooting also happens to occur doesn't exactly line up with the commissioner's stated expectations for Vick's behavior. He is a convicted felon. He is not allowed to do a lot of things that non-convicts do. He placed himself in highly questionable circumstances near multiple sources of chemical temptation, and then a shooting occurred in said locale. Vick chose to put himself there, with that company.

The commissioner's letter was clear that he is going to hold Vick to a higher standard of behavior, even higher than what the law can impose.

This situation, especially now that apparent video evidence of Vick and the Vick party exiting the club well after the initial claims of "gone for 30 minutes" has surfaced, looks like a repeat of his behavior in the initial stages of the dog-fighting investigation (which was to lie and deny the truth to both Arthur Blank and commissioner Goodell).

The smoke keeps getting thicker, in my opinion.

 

[massraider]

Restaurant owner: Video shows Vick leaving three minutes before shooting

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 29, 2010 8:22 PM ET

Michael Vick and his lawyer could have a major timeline problem.

The owner of the restaurant that hosted Vick's birthday party last week says he has video of Vick and "his entourage" driving away from the restaurant at 2:07 A.M., only three minutes before gunshots were fired in the direction the cars went.

Florio is spending some much deserved time with the family, so I'll say it: wow.

"I'm not saying that Michael Vick did the shooting," Allen Fabija told the Daily Press. "But he did not leave [long] before" the shooting like Vick told police, according to Vick's lawyer.

Vick's camp has consistently painted a picture of the Eagles quarterback leaving his party well before the shooting. First, we heard 30 minutes. Vick's attorney Larry Woodward told the AP on Tuesday that his client left at least 10 minutes before the shooting and up to 20 minutes before.

Now there is possibly video evidence putting the number at three minutes.

Woodward and Vick better hope the video proves Fabija lied to the newspaper. Otherwise, Vick's entire account to police will be called into question.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...efore-shooting/

That doesn't sound too good to me.

 

[mattyt]

Restaurant owner: Video shows Vick leaving three minutes before shooting

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 29, 2010 8:22 PM ET

Michael Vick and his lawyer could have a major timeline problem.

The owner of the restaurant that hosted Vick's birthday party last week says he has video of Vick and "his entourage" driving away from the restaurant at 2:07 A.M., only three minutes before gunshots were fired in the direction the cars went.

Florio is spending some much deserved time with the family, so I'll say it: wow.

"I'm not saying that Michael Vick did the shooting," Allen Fabija told the Daily Press. "But he did not leave [long] before" the shooting like Vick told police, according to Vick's lawyer.

Vick's camp has consistently painted a picture of the Eagles quarterback leaving his party well before the shooting. First, we heard 30 minutes. Vick's attorney Larry Woodward told the AP on Tuesday that his client left at least 10 minutes before the shooting and up to 20 minutes before.

Now there is possibly video evidence putting the number at three minutes.

Woodward and Vick better hope the video proves Fabija lied to the newspaper. Otherwise, Vick's entire account to police will be called into question.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...efore-shooting/

That doesn't sound too good to me.

The link that PFT cites is actually somewhat more damning because it also claims that there was no altercation between Vick and Phillips. They made it sound like Phillips had been there for quite some time. I guess that begs the question...if there was no altercation then why the shooting?

 

[Truman]

Restaurant owner: Video shows Vick leaving three minutes before shooting

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 29, 2010 8:22 PM ET

Michael Vick and his lawyer could have a major timeline problem.

The owner of the restaurant that hosted Vick's birthday party last week says he has video of Vick and "his entourage" driving away from the restaurant at 2:07 A.M., only three minutes before gunshots were fired in the direction the cars went.

Florio is spending some much deserved time with the family, so I'll say it: wow.

"I'm not saying that Michael Vick did the shooting," Allen Fabija told the Daily Press. "But he did not leave [long] before" the shooting like Vick told police, according to Vick's lawyer.

Vick's camp has consistently painted a picture of the Eagles quarterback leaving his party well before the shooting. First, we heard 30 minutes. Vick's attorney Larry Woodward told the AP on Tuesday that his client left at least 10 minutes before the shooting and up to 20 minutes before.

Now there is possibly video evidence putting the number at three minutes.

Woodward and Vick better hope the video proves Fabija lied to the newspaper. Otherwise, Vick's entire account to police will be called into question.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...efore-shooting/

It's weird Vick can't provide a timeline of what happened at the party after he left.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Restaurant owner: Video shows Vick leaving three minutes before shooting

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 29, 2010 8:22 PM ET

Michael Vick and his lawyer could have a major timeline problem.

The owner of the restaurant that hosted Vick's birthday party last week says he has video of Vick and "his entourage" driving away from the restaurant at 2:07 A.M., only three minutes before gunshots were fired in the direction the cars went.

Florio is spending some much deserved time with the family, so I'll say it: wow.

"I'm not saying that Michael Vick did the shooting," Allen Fabija told the Daily Press. "But he did not leave [long] before" the shooting like Vick told police, according to Vick's lawyer.

Vick's camp has consistently painted a picture of the Eagles quarterback leaving his party well before the shooting. First, we heard 30 minutes. Vick's attorney Larry Woodward told the AP on Tuesday that his client left at least 10 minutes before the shooting and up to 20 minutes before.

Now there is possibly video evidence putting the number at three minutes.

Woodward and Vick better hope the video proves Fabija lied to the newspaper. Otherwise, Vick's entire account to police will be called into question.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...efore-shooting/

It's weird Vick can't provide a timeline of what happened at the party after he left.

I'm trusting that this statement is of a sarcastic nature. That said, a couple of points:1) What difference does it make if Vick left the party 3 minutes, 30 minutes or 3 hours before the shooting? He was not on the premises.

2) The bigger issue is what was Phillips doing there? Unless the guy barged in uninvited (and it's possible), then someone is not looking out for Vick, or worse, he's not looking out for himself.

 

[lynx4ben]

Restaurant owner: Video shows Vick leaving three minutes before shooting

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 29, 2010 8:22 PM ET

Michael Vick and his lawyer could have a major timeline problem.

The owner of the restaurant that hosted Vick's birthday party last week says he has video of Vick and "his entourage" driving away from the restaurant at 2:07 A.M., only three minutes before gunshots were fired in the direction the cars went.

Florio is spending some much deserved time with the family, so I'll say it: wow.

"I'm not saying that Michael Vick did the shooting," Allen Fabija told the Daily Press. "But he did not leave [long] before" the shooting like Vick told police, according to Vick's lawyer.

Vick's camp has consistently painted a picture of the Eagles quarterback leaving his party well before the shooting. First, we heard 30 minutes. Vick's attorney Larry Woodward told the AP on Tuesday that his client left at least 10 minutes before the shooting and up to 20 minutes before.

Now there is possibly video evidence putting the number at three minutes.

Woodward and Vick better hope the video proves Fabija lied to the newspaper. Otherwise, Vick's entire account to police will be called into question.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...efore-shooting/

It's weird Vick can't provide a timeline of what happened at the party after he left.

I'm trusting that this statement is of a sarcastic nature. That said, a couple of points:1) What difference does it make if Vick left the party 3 minutes, 30 minutes or 3 hours before the shooting? He was not on the premises.

2) The bigger issue is what was Phillips doing there? Unless the guy barged in uninvited (and it's possible), then someone is not looking out for Vick, or worse, he's not looking out for himself.

Obviously at this point no one knows the truth. However, one account I read was Phillips was not on the guest list. He showed up and Vick and him got into it. Possibly about him being there to begin with. Vick then left and Phillips got shot. If Phillips doesn't get shot we could almost say that this was a sign of maturity on Vick's part. Leaving the scene rather than associating with Phillips and causing trouble. However, then Phillips gets shot; so that begs the question, did Vick leave knowing the hit was on?

Who knows and I doubt we will unless security cameras can account for how long Phillips was there and the interactions between him and Vick. The best way to solve this thing is the way the police are approaching it is to try and find the shooter. If that person could be found the truth may be able to be forced out.

I'm reluctant to give Vick the benefit of the doubt because of his past. But the bottom line is the dude being shot was in the same boat and he obviously isn't the best character either. For all we know Phillips could have instigated everything including a fight with a shooter not at Vick's party.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Restaurant owner: Video shows Vick leaving three minutes before shooting

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 29, 2010 8:22 PM ET

Michael Vick and his lawyer could have a major timeline problem.

The owner of the restaurant that hosted Vick's birthday party last week says he has video of Vick and "his entourage" driving away from the restaurant at 2:07 A.M., only three minutes before gunshots were fired in the direction the cars went.

Florio is spending some much deserved time with the family, so I'll say it: wow.

"I'm not saying that Michael Vick did the shooting," Allen Fabija told the Daily Press. "But he did not leave [long] before" the shooting like Vick told police, according to Vick's lawyer.

Vick's camp has consistently painted a picture of the Eagles quarterback leaving his party well before the shooting. First, we heard 30 minutes. Vick's attorney Larry Woodward told the AP on Tuesday that his client left at least 10 minutes before the shooting and up to 20 minutes before.

Now there is possibly video evidence putting the number at three minutes.

Woodward and Vick better hope the video proves Fabija lied to the newspaper. Otherwise, Vick's entire account to police will be called into question.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...efore-shooting/

It's weird Vick can't provide a timeline of what happened at the party after he left.

I'm trusting that this statement is of a sarcastic nature. That said, a couple of points:1) What difference does it make if Vick left the party 3 minutes, 30 minutes or 3 hours before the shooting? He was not on the premises.

2) The bigger issue is what was Phillips doing there? Unless the guy barged in uninvited (and it's possible), then someone is not looking out for Vick, or worse, he's not looking out for himself.

1) Lying about it matters. Especially since he lied about the dogfighting charges at first. I would think that with his previous troubles he would've been as honest as is humanly possible about the situation if he truly had nothing to do with it. Even if he didn't, he now looks more suspicious because of it. Doesn't mean he had anything to do with it, but he's set a precedent of lying before and now it looks the same as then.

 

[34=Sweetness]

Restaurant owner: Video shows Vick leaving three minutes before shooting

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 29, 2010 8:22 PM ET

Michael Vick and his lawyer could have a major timeline problem.

The owner of the restaurant that hosted Vick's birthday party last week says he has video of Vick and "his entourage" driving away from the restaurant at 2:07 A.M., only three minutes before gunshots were fired in the direction the cars went.

Florio is spending some much deserved time with the family, so I'll say it: wow.

"I'm not saying that Michael Vick did the shooting," Allen Fabija told the Daily Press. "But he did not leave [long] before" the shooting like Vick told police, according to Vick's lawyer.

Vick's camp has consistently painted a picture of the Eagles quarterback leaving his party well before the shooting. First, we heard 30 minutes. Vick's attorney Larry Woodward told the AP on Tuesday that his client left at least 10 minutes before the shooting and up to 20 minutes before.

Now there is possibly video evidence putting the number at three minutes.

Woodward and Vick better hope the video proves Fabija lied to the newspaper. Otherwise, Vick's entire account to police will be called into question.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...efore-shooting/

It's weird Vick can't provide a timeline of what happened at the party after he left.

I'm trusting that this statement is of a sarcastic nature. That said, a couple of points:1) What difference does it make if Vick left the party 3 minutes, 30 minutes or 3 hours before the shooting? He was not on the premises.

2) The bigger issue is what was Phillips doing there? Unless the guy barged in uninvited (and it's possible), then someone is not looking out for Vick, or worse, he's not looking out for himself.

Because when you are investigating a crime, usually when people involve make contradictory statements (in this case, Vick was lying to the police about when he left the party) it usually raises some flags for the police.

 

[34=Sweetness]

Considering this party was at an upscale club, with an invite list, its unlikely someone just barged in, of course unless they threatened the bouncer with a firearm or just paid him off. I mean, thats certainly possible.

 

[H.K.]

Lying about it matters. Especially since he lied about the dogfighting charges at first. I would think that with his previous troubles he would've been as honest as is humanly possible about the situation if he truly had nothing to do with it. Even if he didn't, he now looks more suspicious because of it. Doesn't mean he had anything to do with it, but he's set a precedent of lying before and now it looks the same as then.

:IBTL: Trust is the issue and Vick has lost the benefit of the doubt. If he is found to be lying in this scenario, his career has big problems.

 

[H.K.]

Mike Vick’s Birthday Party Shooting Story Just Got Exponentially Worse

TheBigLead

June 30th. 2010, 12:00pm

Mike Vick’s lawyer, Larry Woodward, initially said that the Eagles’ backup QB left his own birthday party 10-30 minutes before a shooting sent a man to the hospital. But the Daily Press reports that video surveillance cameras show Vick leaving at 2:07 am – just three minutes before the shooting took place at 2:10 am. It gets worse.

An unidentified eyewitness told the newspaper that shooting victim Quanis Phillips, a co-defendant in the Vick dogfighting case, tapped or slapped on the hand of Vick’s fiancee, Kijafa Frink, as she fed Vick cake. He said little cake touched Vick’s face, but words were exchanged.

You can read between the lines on that one. Things are suddenly not looking good at all for Vick.

link

 

[Summer Wheat]

Lying about it matters. Especially since he lied about the dogfighting charges at first. I would think that with his previous troubles he would've been as honest as is humanly possible about the situation if he truly had nothing to do with it. Even if he didn't, he now looks more suspicious because of it. Doesn't mean he had anything to do with it, but he's set a precedent of lying before and now it looks the same as then.

Trust is the issue and Vick has lost the benefit of the doubt. If he is found to be lying in this scenario, his career has big problems.

This could finally be the end of Vicks NFL career. Vick was warned to stay away from clubs and potential trouble spots, plus there may be some parole violations as well.

 

[Dexter Manley]

Mike Vick’s Birthday Party Shooting Story Just Got Exponentially Worse

TheBigLead

June 30th. 2010, 12:00pm

Mike Vick’s lawyer, Larry Woodward, initially said that the Eagles’ backup QB left his own birthday party 10-30 minutes before a shooting sent a man to the hospital. But the Daily Press reports that video surveillance cameras show Vick leaving at 2:07 am – just three minutes before the shooting took place at 2:10 am. It gets worse.

An unidentified eyewitness told the newspaper that shooting victim Quanis Phillips, a co-defendant in the Vick dogfighting case, tapped or slapped on the hand of Vick’s fiancee, Kijafa Frink, as she fed Vick cake. He said little cake touched Vick’s face, but words were exchanged.

You can read between the lines on that one. Things are suddenly not looking good at all for Vick.

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If this is true, both Vick and his cousin are even dumber than I had previously thought, and a lot of naive people who bought Vick's rehabilitative shtick are going to be eating crow. Like I've said repeatedly in the past, you cannot rehabilitate a sociopath.And I still can't believe that the Eagles players voted for Vick to be their team's recipient of the Ed Block Courage award. While the Eagles are a rival, I generally consider them a pretty classy organization. Vick is making them look very bad right now.

 

[H.K.]

This could finally be the end of Vicks NFL career. Vick was warned to stay away from clubs and potential trouble spots, plus there may be some parole violations as well.

We'll see how it plays out.

Borrowed this from the Benson thread, as it certainly will apply to this situation:

I'll let the commissioner resolve this:

Goodell commenting on Roethlisberger

“The personal conduct policy makes clear that I may impose discipline ‘even where the conduct does not result in conviction of a crime’ as, for example, where the conduct ‘imposes inherent danger to the safety and well being of another person’,”

 

[Summer Wheat]

This could finally be the end of Vicks NFL career. Vick was warned to stay away from clubs and potential trouble spots, plus there may be some parole violations as well.

We'll see how it plays out.

Borrowed this from the Benson thread, as it certainly will apply to this situation:

I'll let the commissioner resolve this:

Goodell commenting on Roethlisberger

“The personal conduct policy makes clear that I may impose discipline ‘even where the conduct does not result in conviction of a crime’ as, for example, where the conduct ‘imposes inherent danger to the safety and well being of another person’,”

Maybe Goodell will give Vick another years vacation.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

Restaurant owner: Video shows Vick leaving three minutes before shooting

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 29, 2010 8:22 PM ET

Michael Vick and his lawyer could have a major timeline problem.

The owner of the restaurant that hosted Vick's birthday party last week says he has video of Vick and "his entourage" driving away from the restaurant at 2:07 A.M., only three minutes before gunshots were fired in the direction the cars went.

Florio is spending some much deserved time with the family, so I'll say it: wow.

"I'm not saying that Michael Vick did the shooting," Allen Fabija told the Daily Press. "But he did not leave [long] before" the shooting like Vick told police, according to Vick's lawyer.

Vick's camp has consistently painted a picture of the Eagles quarterback leaving his party well before the shooting. First, we heard 30 minutes. Vick's attorney Larry Woodward told the AP on Tuesday that his client left at least 10 minutes before the shooting and up to 20 minutes before.

Now there is possibly video evidence putting the number at three minutes.

Woodward and Vick better hope the video proves Fabija lied to the newspaper. Otherwise, Vick's entire account to police will be called into question.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...efore-shooting/

It's weird Vick can't provide a timeline of what happened at the party after he left.

I'm trusting that this statement is of a sarcastic nature. That said, a couple of points:1) What difference does it make if Vick left the party 3 minutes, 30 minutes or 3 hours before the shooting? He was not on the premises.

2) The bigger issue is what was Phillips doing there? Unless the guy barged in uninvited (and it's possible), then someone is not looking out for Vick, or worse, he's not looking out for himself.

1) Lying about it matters. Especially since he lied about the dogfighting charges at first. I would think that with his previous troubles he would've been as honest as is humanly possible about the situation if he truly had nothing to do with it. Even if he didn't, he now looks more suspicious because of it. Doesn't mean he had anything to do with it, but he's set a precedent of lying before and now it looks the same as then.

I don't know...from what I read, his original statement was that he left 10-30 minutes prior to the shooting. We holding his feet to the fire on potentially 7 minutes? At 2AM, when you've been having a fun time and are probably tired, perhaps a bit inebriated (although I'm not sure if no alcohol is part of his parole). And if the shooting occurred at 2:10...isn't it possible that Vick had in his mind a certain departure time and as he was leaving, is saying good byes to people...gets held up a bit. I mean, he was the guest of honor. Quick good byes aren't necessarily the norm in that type of situation. Vick doesn't have the benefit of instant replay in terms of what time he left the club.It may seem like I"m trying to find reasons to justify his timeline...but to me, it appears more people are trying to poke holes in it for the sake of who it is.

I wouldn't argue that having this type of party was a smart move given his position and past and like I said, the presence of Philips to me is the most concerning aspect of this situation for him. But to say "It wasn't 10 minutes, it was 3 minutes - LIAR!!!" is off-target.

 

[Tackling Dummies]

Restaurant owner: Video shows Vick leaving three minutes before shooting

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 29, 2010 8:22 PM ET

Michael Vick and his lawyer could have a major timeline problem.

The owner of the restaurant that hosted Vick's birthday party last week says he has video of Vick and "his entourage" driving away from the restaurant at 2:07 A.M., only three minutes before gunshots were fired in the direction the cars went.

Florio is spending some much deserved time with the family, so I'll say it: wow.

"I'm not saying that Michael Vick did the shooting," Allen Fabija told the Daily Press. "But he did not leave [long] before" the shooting like Vick told police, according to Vick's lawyer.

Vick's camp has consistently painted a picture of the Eagles quarterback leaving his party well before the shooting. First, we heard 30 minutes. Vick's attorney Larry Woodward told the AP on Tuesday that his client left at least 10 minutes before the shooting and up to 20 minutes before.

Now there is possibly video evidence putting the number at three minutes.

Woodward and Vick better hope the video proves Fabija lied to the newspaper. Otherwise, Vick's entire account to police will be called into question.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...efore-shooting/

It's weird Vick can't provide a timeline of what happened at the party after he left.

I'm trusting that this statement is of a sarcastic nature. That said, a couple of points:1) What difference does it make if Vick left the party 3 minutes, 30 minutes or 3 hours before the shooting? He was not on the premises.

2) The bigger issue is what was Phillips doing there? Unless the guy barged in uninvited (and it's possible), then someone is not looking out for Vick, or worse, he's not looking out for himself.

1) Lying about it matters. Especially since he lied about the dogfighting charges at first. I would think that with his previous troubles he would've been as honest as is humanly possible about the situation if he truly had nothing to do with it. Even if he didn't, he now looks more suspicious because of it. Doesn't mean he had anything to do with it, but he's set a precedent of lying before and now it looks the same as then.

I don't know...from what I read, his original statement was that he left 10-30 minutes prior to the shooting. We holding his feet to the fire on potentially 7 minutes? At 2AM, when you've been having a fun time and are probably tired, perhaps a bit inebriated (although I'm not sure if no alcohol is part of his parole). And if the shooting occurred at 2:10...isn't it possible that Vick had in his mind a certain departure time and as he was leaving, is saying good byes to people...gets held up a bit. I mean, he was the guest of honor. Quick good byes aren't necessarily the norm in that type of situation. Vick doesn't have the benefit of instant replay in terms of what time he left the club.It may seem like I"m trying to find reasons to justify his timeline...but to me, it appears more people are trying to poke holes in it for the sake of who it is.

I wouldn't argue that having this type of party was a smart move given his position and past and like I said, the presence of Philips to me is the most concerning aspect of this situation for him. But to say "It wasn't 10 minutes, it was 3 minutes - LIAR!!!" is off-target.

The feet-to-the-fire is due to Vick's lack of being a person that is truthful. There are more than enough off the field instances where Vick has used than than accurate statements regarding his involvement in the events. As for the 7 minute timeline for his departure, others see a 27 minute timeline, especially since a person involved with his trial was shot.

 

[H.K.]

Michael Vick Shooting Incident Update

The NY Post went down to Virginia Beach in hopes of getting some more details on this whole Michael Vick shooting incident thing. A few witnesses revealed more about what may have happened between Vick and the shooting victim. The victim, Quanis Phillips, was a co-defendant of Vick in his dog fighting trial and the terms of their parole dictated that both men not socialize with one another.

Apparently, Phillips ignored that.

Quanis Phillips, a co-defendant in Vick’s dogfighting case, flew into a rage when Vick and brother Marcus Vick told him early Friday to leave the 30th-birthday party at a Virginia Beach nightclub, witnesses said. Part of the "rage" apparently involved getting some birthday cake on Vick.

Before leaving, Phillips slapped a piece of birthday cake off a female partygoer’s plate, splattering the face of the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback with frosting.

"Michael didn’t react. I was surprised," a witness at the bash said.

A witness did say however that Vick’s brother did get angry and appeared very agitated. At that point, most reports say that Vick left the party. Phillips however, continued arguing with people outside the club and was later shot in the leg.

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So, there’s a few ways to look at this. If you believe the witness here, Michael Vick appeared to do everything you’d think a person in his position should do in the situation. A guy Vick was not supposed to be around showed up as an uninvited guest to his party and the man was asked to leave. When the man reacted angrily, Vick removed himself, his wife, and friends from the situation and left.

Of course, if the story ended there it wouldn’t have been news. The guy ended up getting shot. That’s where the details get fuzzy and that’s where witnesses start refusing to talk. If the sum total of Vick’s involvement in this whole incident was what this story reports, then it’s hard to say he did anything wrong. However, until police find out who shot Phillips and get that guy to talk we won’t know what if any involvement Vick had in the actual shooting. Until then, there’s going to be an understandable cloud of suspicion.

 

[Bri]

Sorry somebody got hurt.

I don't care though and was wondering how many others feel the same with Vick and negative press/poor decisions now? I'm still numb on the topic from the dog stuff. Feels like Pacman got arrested again or somesuch.

 

[fatness]

Vick's attorney Larry Woodward is not backing down.

"I stand by what I said, that Michael was long gone before the shooting, does not know who did the shooting and had nothing to do with the shooting. Anyone who says any different better be very careful," Woodward told the Philadelphia Daily News.

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[fatness]

So, Game 102.1 FM in Virginia Beach reported today that, according to reliable sources, Marcus Vick was involved in the shooting early Friday morning.

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[Weiner Dog]

Not sticking up for Vick, but wouldn't it be a bigger story if Vick left 3 minutes AFTER the shooting?

 

[Ranethe]

In other words, it could be that commissioner Goodell will assert that not only is Vick expected to be drug, alcohol and weapon-free, but also that his associates should also be drug, alcohol and weapon free.

That would take some pretty serious lawyer-ing to convince anyone that that was the way to read that sentence, and even then, there is nothing I have heard about Vick's friends being armed.Unless it turns out that the shooter was a personal friend of Vick, that was at the party on his invite, then this shouldn't go anywhere.

The cops are saying there's no interest in Vick, and he wasn't even there when it happened.

Good thing a drunk driver didn't hit his car, we could get him on alcohol charges.

While far from a Vick apologist/defender, this place cracks me up sometimes. So let's get this straight. Vick has a birthday party, some guy who isn't invited shows up and gets shot while Vick isn't there and Vick is to be held accountable?

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough in my reply. Allow me to explain.Vick is expected to live a squeaky-clean life by the commissioner. He isn't supposed to be consuming alcohol or drugs, toting around guns, or associating with people who do those things. "Keep your nose clean and live a clean life" is the implicit message of Goodell's letter, at least if you expect the "conditional reinstatement" to continue.

A birthday party at a club where a shooting also happens to occur doesn't exactly line up with the commissioner's stated expectations for Vick's behavior. He is a convicted felon. He is not allowed to do a lot of things that non-convicts do. He placed himself in highly questionable circumstances near multiple sources of chemical temptation, and then a shooting occurred in said locale. Vick chose to put himself there, with that company.

The commissioner's letter was clear that he is going to hold Vick to a higher standard of behavior, even higher than what the law can impose.

This situation, especially now that apparent video evidence of Vick and the Vick party exiting the club well after the initial claims of "gone for 30 minutes" has surfaced, looks like a repeat of his behavior in the initial stages of the dog-fighting investigation (which was to lie and deny the truth to both Arthur Blank and commissioner Goodell).

The smoke keeps getting thicker, in my opinion.

 

[Ranethe]

Why does Vick keep putting himself in these kinds of situations? A lower key party at his home seems to make better sense while on parole.

What situation in this case? Having a party? Having someone else show up at the party and do something stupid after he left? Do you know if his cousin was invited or just showed up? Do you know if he stayed and partied with the cousin or if he left as soon as he showed up. Truth is that you know nothing about what happened but you want to start throwing around accusations because that is what the media and fans do in the summer and spring when they are bored.

Why hasn't someone started a thread for the DUI that the President of the Lions was arrested for? Maybe he and Jerry Jones can sit around and get drunk together. That ought to be good for the league's image. If they get bored they can invite Coach Payton to come and take some Vicodin with them. And if they really get bored they can start a fight with Coach Cable.

Frankly, the hypocrisy and double standard in all of this "moral clause" business is pretty pathetic.

Terrible post.

 

[H.K.]

Michael Vick-QB- Eagles Jul. 1 - 8:49 am et

Virginia Beach Police have changed their stance, refusing to put a title on Michael Vick's role in the shooting that occurred at his 30th birthday party.

Police originally said that Vick was "not a person of interest." That led some folks to believe that he wouldn't face any discipline from the league. However, the fact that he apparently lied about when he left the party and more witness evidence means that the police may want to talk to Vick soon. They aren't calling him a suspect, a person of interest or a witness. But with Vick's federal probation officer now investigating as well, this is headed down a very bad road for Vick.

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

 

[redBourne]

It does seem like people are poking holes when they can in anything Michael Vick, but the more information that we receive coupled with Vick's past tendencies to lie, I'm starting to fall on the other side of the fence of just assuming he's guilty.

As someone else posted, it does feel a bit like Pacman right now. After a while you just stop carrying. What veteran Free agent QB's are on the wire right now?

 

[Hang 10]

Considering this party was at an upscale club, with an invite list, its unlikely someone just barged in, of course unless they threatened the bouncer with a firearm or just paid him off. I mean, thats certainly possible.

I'm from Va. Beach and I've been to this bar. It's a mexican restaurant by day and a club by night. "Upscale" it's not.

 

[H.K.]

What veteran Free agent QB's are on the wire right now?

In your opinion, is there a desire to cut bait from most Philly fans?