Sources say shooting occurred at Michael Vick birthday party (1 Viewer)

[identikit]

What veteran Free agent QB's are on the wire right now?

In your opinion, is there a desire to cut bait from most Philly fans?

Jeff Garcia's willing, I'll bet...

 

[34=Sweetness]

Considering this party was at an upscale club, with an invite list, its unlikely someone just barged in, of course unless they threatened the bouncer with a firearm or just paid him off. I mean, thats certainly possible.

I'm from Va. Beach and I've been to this bar. It's a mexican restaurant by day and a club by night. "Upscale" it's not.

Why the hell did he have a "white tie event, dress code strictly enforced" there then haha

 

[H.K.]

One person's take:

Eagles can no longer afford Vick

July 01, 2010|Nick Fierro

Michael Vick must go.

His second chance squandered, his lifestyle again called into question, Vick must be released by the Philadelphia Eagles immediately, if not sooner.

They must not wait for the NFL factfinders or commissioner Roger Goodell to act. They must act on their own, in accordance with owner Jeffrey Lurie's "zero tolerance" policy, which Vick clearly violated by taking part in a massive public birthday bash advertised all over Twitter and God knows what other social media sites.

That Vick presumably had nothing to do with a co-defendant in his 2007 dogfighting conviction getting shot not long after Vick departed the scene of his party early Friday morning in Virginia Beach doesn't matter.

That Vick had both physical and verbal contact with the victim does. Also, as the facts begin to surface, it seems Vick did not leave "long before" Quanis Phillips was shot in the leg. Rather, he left only around three minutes before the shooting, according to a nightclub spokesman who claims he has the videotape to prove it and has turned it over to police.

No matter. He has to go.

He has to go because he's Michael Vick.

Had a similar incident occurred with Donovan McNabb or Kevin Kolb or any other non-felon in the NFL, it wouldn't merit any discipline. But Vick, still on probation, is being held to stricter standards. Last Thursday night, those standards were violated.

This is why the Eagles would be wise to get out in front on this, before their reputation takes a devastating hit.

Devastating because, before Vick, they were batting 1.000 in these matters.

Vick is not the first player to run afoul of the law before becoming an Eagle. He's just the first to really screw up after coach Andy Reid assured us everything was in the past and/or the players were victims of bum raps or misunderstandings.

Call them the anti-Bengals. Call them anything.

Just don't call them, because they've gone temporarily mute.

"We are aware of the incident that occurred in Virginia early this morning and are in the process of gathering all of the facts," a statement released by the team read on Friday. "Until then, we will not have any comment on this matter."

Wednesday, requests to speak with Lurie, general manager Howie Roseman and president Joe Banner were declined. Reid, out of the country on an NFL-sponsored USO tour in which details of his exact location are kept secret by the military, is out of the picture for now as well.

 

[Hang 10]

Considering this party was at an upscale club, with an invite list, its unlikely someone just barged in, of course unless they threatened the bouncer with a firearm or just paid him off. I mean, thats certainly possible.

I'm from Va. Beach and I've been to this bar. It's a mexican restaurant by day and a club by night. "Upscale" it's not.

Why the hell did he have a "white tie event, dress code strictly enforced" there then haha

Datz how dey roll.

 

[gandalas]

Why hasn't someone started a thread for the DUI that the President of the Lions was arrested for? Maybe he and Jerry Jones can sit around and get drunk together. That ought to be good for the league's image. If they get bored they can invite Coach Payton to come and take some Vicodin with them. And if they really get bored they can start a fight with Coach Cable.

Frankly, the hypocrisy and double standard in all of this "moral clause" business is pretty pathetic.

Not sure if you were being serious or not, or if you just missed it, but that thread has been around for 5 days now...it was on the second page, not exactly a hard search.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=537114

 

[Tau837]

Considering this party was at an upscale club, with an invite list, its unlikely someone just barged in, of course unless they threatened the bouncer with a firearm or just paid him off. I mean, thats certainly possible.

I'm from Va. Beach and I've been to this bar. It's a mexican restaurant by day and a club by night. "Upscale" it's not.

I had the same reaction to that.

 

[lynx4ben]

One person's take:

Eagles can no longer afford Vick

July 01, 2010|Nick Fierro

Michael Vick must go.

His second chance squandered, his lifestyle again called into question, Vick must be released by the Philadelphia Eagles immediately, if not sooner.

They must not wait for the NFL factfinders or commissioner Roger Goodell to act. They must act on their own, in accordance with owner Jeffrey Lurie's "zero tolerance" policy, which Vick clearly violated by taking part in a massive public birthday bash advertised all over Twitter and God knows what other social media sites.

That Vick presumably had nothing to do with a co-defendant in his 2007 dogfighting conviction getting shot not long after Vick departed the scene of his party early Friday morning in Virginia Beach doesn't matter.

That Vick had both physical and verbal contact with the victim does. Also, as the facts begin to surface, it seems Vick did not leave "long before" Quanis Phillips was shot in the leg. Rather, he left only around three minutes before the shooting, according to a nightclub spokesman who claims he has the videotape to prove it and has turned it over to police.

No matter. He has to go.

He has to go because he's Michael Vick.

Had a similar incident occurred with Donovan McNabb or Kevin Kolb or any other non-felon in the NFL, it wouldn't merit any discipline. But Vick, still on probation, is being held to stricter standards. Last Thursday night, those standards were violated.

This is why the Eagles would be wise to get out in front on this, before their reputation takes a devastating hit.

Devastating because, before Vick, they were batting 1.000 in these matters.

Vick is not the first player to run afoul of the law before becoming an Eagle. He's just the first to really screw up after coach Andy Reid assured us everything was in the past and/or the players were victims of bum raps or misunderstandings.

Call them the anti-Bengals. Call them anything.

Just don't call them, because they've gone temporarily mute.

"We are aware of the incident that occurred in Virginia early this morning and are in the process of gathering all of the facts," a statement released by the team read on Friday. "Until then, we will not have any comment on this matter."

Wednesday, requests to speak with Lurie, general manager Howie Roseman and president Joe Banner were declined. Reid, out of the country on an NFL-sponsored USO tour in which details of his exact location are kept secret by the military, is out of the picture for now as well.

Agree with this article. Cut bait now. You gambled on this guy and lost. You can admit you lost and save full face for the whole faisco. PETA will be off your back and your public opinion will instantly go from potentially bad to very good. No brainer for the organization. The only concern is backup QB but that can be stop gapped.Whether or not Vick is guilty of anything in this case I don't know. But having a party of this maginitude with a bunch of questionable characters does not show that he is truly taking his second chance seriously. He had a golden opportunity to rebuild his life and he is squandering it. It will only serve to hurt public opinion in regards to him being believable that he is truly sorry for his past actions.

Make the call eagles. I don't know a ton about that organization (ownership wise). However, when all the trade rumors were going down Vick was supposedly on the block as well. I'm guessing they didn't really want him; more so just wanted to get compensation for the risk they took. Well now that risk blew up in your face and it's time to not let greed cloud the decision that will dramatically improve the reputation of the organization.

 

[Mikey16x]

Really, Mike? REALLY? It took me about a year to swallow the pill that you can possibly be a decent human being. I was on the bandwagon that people can learn from their mistakes and move on. Michael Vick, you my friend.. are an idiot.

Before I passed judgment.. totally waited for the facts to start coming out. Why did he lie and say he left hours in advance? That just makes you look so guilty. Why not say... "Listen, I was leaving the club and heard gun shots".. it would make you look 10x less guilty.

Mike, you might as well have been standing on a stack of today's paper with a clock around your neck wearing your Eagles jersey. YOUR ON CAMERA.

 

[redBourne]

What veteran Free agent QB's are on the wire right now?

In your opinion, is there a desire to cut bait from most Philly fans?

Yes. It's weird though, we (as in eagles fans, not necessarily myself) put so much on McNabb's shoulders and ridiculed him when he didn't get us a SB. But for Vick, we already had our expectations low. So there hasn't been as much chatter. I think it's safe to say that we don't want this kind of negativity. We can create enough of our own. Just ask santa.I'm on record (maybe even in this thread) saying I didn't like him as a player because I though he was over valued from the beginning. So it's really easy for me cut bait on the guy.

 

[H.K.]

What veteran Free agent QB's are on the wire right now?

In your opinion, is there a desire to cut bait from most Philly fans?

Yes. It's weird though, we (as in eagles fans, not necessarily myself) put so much on McNabb's shoulders and ridiculed him when he didn't get us a SB. But for Vick, we already had our expectations low. So there hasn't been as much chatter. I think it's safe to say that we don't want this kind of negativity. We can create enough of our own. Just ask santa.I'm on record (maybe even in this thread) saying I didn't like him as a player because I though he was over valued from the beginning. So it's really easy for me cut bait on the guy.

Thanks, another interesting read:

Thursday-and-Long: Eagles Should Dump Michael Vick

7/01/2010 11:41 AM ET By Dan Graziano

Dan Graziano

Senior NFL Writer

In the wake of his latest tone-deaf life decision, Michael Vick once again finds himself the focus of intense hand-wringing and internal debate. The Philadelphia Eagles, along with the NFL and commissioner Roger Goodell, find themselves wrestling with the question of what to do about Vick, who can't seem to get it through his head that the best thing to do once you've been to jail and been told to not mess up again is to just stay home.

The best thing the Eagles can do here, though, is to stop worrying and just get rid of the guy. Just dump him. He's not doing them any good, he's not worth the headache and they'd be better off without him. They gave it a shot, it didn't work out, and now the best thing for the team and its young, future-focused roster is to wish him well and move on.

Radical? Not really. This is the NFL. The contracts aren't guaranteed. People get cut all the time, for reasons and actions far less significant than those that stray close to the arena of parole violations. We don't know, and neither do the Eagles, all of the details about how involved Vick was in the nightclub shooting of a former friend with whom the court and the commissioner told him to stop hanging out. What we do know is that the guy can't keep himself out of the kind of icky headlines that make the NFL and the Eagles look bad for the high-profile second chance they gave him when they really didn't have to. And eventually, that really ought to cost him any more chances.

Early last September, when Goodell announced that Vick would be allowed to play in the third game of the Eagles' regular season, the commissioner sat with reporters at the NFL offices and talked about how his conversations with Vick had been less about football than about Vick's life off the field and the way he needed to conduct it.

"I believe he's recognizing that these are life-management skills we're talking about," Goodell said at that time. "Not just things he needs to do in the next two, three years. He understands he has very little margin for error. People are watching."

Sadly for Goodell, who wanted this to be a feel-good redemption story, Vick does not appear to understand any of that. If he did, his birthday party, at which the shooting took place, would never have happened. Vick, or someone close to him, would have said, "This is a bad idea. Nothing good ever happens after 2 a.m. Let's stay home, invite a few close friends and play this one cool and low-key." Instead, Vick appears to have misplaced his What-Would-Tony-Dungy-Do bracelet and continues to make the kind of questionable decisions that must leave Goodell to wonder why he bothered.

But regardless of what this means for Goodell -- or what he plans to do about it -- the Eagles' decision should be easy. I never understood why they were so eager and enthusiastic about signing Vick in the first place. I was there the day they announced it, and they all talked about what a good guy he was and how determined he was to make everything right. And as you listened, all you could think was that nothing else you'd ever heard or seen backed up anything anyone was saying. Vick never had a reputation as a good guy or a good teammate. His words, even that day, sounded hollow and unfeeling. He displayed none of the traits the Eagles were extolling as intrinsic in their decision to sign him. All that was missing was the little kid, standing by the side of the parade route, shouting that the emperor wasn't wearing any clothes.

The only two possibilities that made sense were: a) the one about Eagles coach Andy Reid being a fan of redemption stories because of the trouble his sons have been through; and b) the idea that somewhere in Reid's creative coaching imagination lurked an idea for how to use Vick to help him win football games.

With all due respect to the former, I would say that the Eagles gave Vick enough of a chance that Reid can be at peace with that aspect of it. The football part, though, this is where Vick's final case for sticking around really falls apart. There was nothing in any Eagles game or game plan in 2009 that indicated that Vick could be an on-field asset. A late-season injury, coupled with the disintegration of the Philadelphia defense over the final two games against Dallas, may well have derailed whatever plans Reid had for deploying Vick strategically at critical times, but it's not as if he showed much when they did use him. Heading into 2010, there's no concrete reason to believe that Vick, if he sticks around, will be anything more than a recognizable backup to Kevin Kolb.

And if you're putting your present and future on the inexperienced shoulders of Kevin Kolb, do you really want Michael Vick around? It's not as if Vick is a mentor type, and even if he were, it's not as if Kolb's going to model his game after what Vick's was in his prime. When they dealt Donovan McNabb to the Redskins, the Eagles made it clear they were moving ahead into their future with their young, exciting core of offensive skill players -- DeSean Jackson, LeSean McCoy, Jeremy Maclin, Brent Celek -- and with Kolb running the show in the middle of it all. The Eagles' belief is that these dynamic youngsters will grow together into the championship-contender core of the next decade.

Do they really want Michael Vick around for that? Is it going to help anything if all these guys show up for training camp at the end of this month and field a whole bunch of questions about a shooting that went down in a Virginia nightclub in June?

It never made sense for the Eagles to want Vick, and they certainly don't need him now. The fact that they're spending any time debating what to do about him should give them their answer. They have better things to do with their time than worry about their backup quarterback and what kind of weird pseudo-trouble he'll get himself into next. The best thing for the Eagles to do is cut their losses and let him go be somebody else's problem.

 

[H.K.]

Yet another take:

Eagles Need Michael Vick on The Sideline and Field in 2010

by Will Holt Correspondent Written on July 01, 2010

Michael Vick played in 12 games last year, completed six passes for 86 yards, rushed 24 times for 95 yards, and accounted for three touchdowns.

It certainly sounds like the Eagles were a little foolish to pick up his $1.5 million bonus in March. And they may seem like blithering idiots if they pay him $3.75 million for the upcoming 2010-11 season, especially after his latest run in with the law, which stemmed from a June 25th birthday celebration that ended with Quanis Phillips, a co-defendant in Vick’s dog fighting case, being shot.

If Vick finds himself in legal trouble once again, it is safe to say Eagles will release him faster than he can run the 40-yard dash.

Most people would assume to get rid of him now and not even wait for things to shake out.

That would be a huge mistake.

You simply cannot undervalue the importance of a quality backup quarterback in the NFL.

Go back through the years and look at the backup quarterbacks who stepped in and helped teams get to the Super Bowl, and in some cases win the Super Bowl. The list includes players such as Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger. Even players like Kerry Collins and Tony Romo came off the bench to help right their respective team’s ship.

In Philadelphia we saw quarterbacks such as Koy Detmer, AJ Feeley, and Jeff Garcia lead the Eagles into the playoffs while Donovan McNabb was on the shelf.

I’m not here to say Vick is a great quarterback, but when you reflect on the list of backups who succeeded in the NFL, you can’t tell me it always takes a special talent to succeed.

And the fact that Vick is backing up an unproven quarterback in Kevin Kolb makes him even more valuable to the team this season.

Kolb is going to experience some difficult moments on and off the field this season.

On the field, he is going to see defensive packages that will confuse him. He is going to find himself in pressure situations that he is not used to. And yes, he will probably hear boos raining down on him if stinks up the joint.

Off the field, he will have to deal with questions from the media, fans and possibly family. He will even have to deal with the grind of the NFL schedule.

Think about this for a moment: The Eagles do not have back-to-back home games until weeks 16 and 17. They have a pair of back-to-back road games in weeks two and three and 14 and 15. That means Kolb is going to so do some serious back and forth traveling, including a West Coast trip to San Francisco. He will experience what it is like to play on Monday Night Football against division rival Washington and then play the New York Giants on a short week of preparation.

If those kinds of situations can negatively affect a veteran quarterback, I can assure you it will hurt Kolb at someone point this season.

Also, don’t forget the fact that Andy Reid likes to throw the football more often than not. The significance of that means Kolb will be exposed to constant hits. And with a frame that holds 218 pounds, Kolb more closely resembles the stature of Detmer than McNabb.

All of that adds up to Kolb running a high risk for injury. It is true that Kolb does not have a history of finding the sidelines due to injury. But then again neither did McNabb until he stepped into Reid’s pass-happy system.

So, are you beginning to see the value of having a backup quarterback that is capable of running the offense?

And if Vick is gone, who do you go after? Jeff Garcia? Do you really want a 40-year old rag-arm quarterback? He wouldn’t be the worst option, but Vick is clearly a better fit than Garcia.

Even though Vick’s stats were abysmal last year, all of the above information points to Vick having the opportunity to step in and help the Eagles win games.

Let’s be honest, that’s what we care about most in Philadelphia.

 

[massraider]

Yeah, that guy is operating under the assumption that Vick is a quality backup QB.

I thought the way stuff came out before that Vick might be able to walk away, but now the timeline his lawyer put forth is under question, and his brother's name has been mentioned. Getting worse by the day for Vick.

 

[Couch Potato]

I just want to get this off my chest.

Mike Vick is garbage. He said and did all the right things after the dog fighting conviction so he could again get an NFL paycheck, but anyone who would do the things he did in the first place is simply garbage.

Whether he's proven to be involved in this shooting incident is irrelevant to me. Some thug from his entourage probably did the actual shooting but that doesn't matter. He was involved, eagerly participating in teaching his fellow-garbage cousin a lesson.

He's still the scumbag S of a B that killed those dogs and always will be. And to me he'll always be garbage. I hope he's out of football permanently after this latest thing. He's a blight on the NFL. Good riddance to him.

 

[Pickle Rody]

I just want to get this off my chest.

Mike Vick is garbage. He said and did all the right things after the dog fighting conviction so he could again get an NFL paycheck, but anyone who would do the things he did in the first place is simply garbage.

Whether he's proven to be involved in this shooting incident is irrelevant to me. Some thug from his entourage probably did the actual shooting but that doesn't matter. He was involved, eagerly participating in teaching his fellow-garbage cousin a lesson.

He's still the scumbag S of a B that killed those dogs and always will be. And to me he'll always be garbage. I hope he's out of football permanently after this latest thing. He's a blight on the NFL. Good riddance to him.

I'm not defending Vick here or any other place, believe you me, but I want to know something. Did you react this way when Leonard Little killed a human being? You know Little did absolutely no jail time, right? How about when other NFL players have killed other human beings in drunk driving incidents? Dogs lives are not worth nearly as much as human lives (in my opinion) yet there always seems to be some misplaced anger when it comes to Vick and dogs. Little kills another human being, yet is allowed to continue play football and win a Super Bowl, then get arrested for DWI again, and still got to continue playing football.Those of you calling for Vick to be banned from the NFL for killing dogs (which he spent time in prison for...yeah, yeah, I know it was really racketeering) and then not being present when a cousin (former known criminal associate) gets shot should take another look around.

Little and that Cleveland WR (forget his name right now) actually KILLED HUMAN BEINGS yet are allowed to continue playing football in the NFL. I'm sure there are more I cannot remember. I call BS. WTF is wrong with you people????

 

[Couch Potato]

I just want to get this off my chest.

Mike Vick is garbage. He said and did all the right things after the dog fighting conviction so he could again get an NFL paycheck, but anyone who would do the things he did in the first place is simply garbage.

Whether he's proven to be involved in this shooting incident is irrelevant to me. Some thug from his entourage probably did the actual shooting but that doesn't matter. He was involved, eagerly participating in teaching his fellow-garbage cousin a lesson.

He's still the scumbag S of a B that killed those dogs and always will be. And to me he'll always be garbage. I hope he's out of football permanently after this latest thing. He's a blight on the NFL. Good riddance to him.

I'm not defending Vick here or any other place, believe you me, but I want to know something. Did you react this way when Leonard Little killed a human being? You know Little did absolutely no jail time, right? How about when other NFL players have killed other human beings in drunk driving incidents? Dogs lives are not worth nearly as much as human lives (in my opinion) yet there always seems to be some misplaced anger when it comes to Vick and dogs. Little kills another human being, yet is allowed to continue play football and win a Super Bowl, then get arrested for DWI again, and still got to continue playing football.Those of you calling for Vick to be banned from the NFL for killing dogs (which he spent time in prison for...yeah, yeah, I know it was really racketeering) and then not being present when a cousin (former known criminal associate) gets shot should take another look around.

Little and that Cleveland WR (forget his name right now) actually KILLED HUMAN BEINGS yet are allowed to continue playing football in the NFL. I'm sure there are more I cannot remember. I call BS. WTF is wrong with you people????

You know what? You're not going to drag me into a debate over Leonard Little or Donte Stallworth or anyone else vs Mike Vick. You're just not. I had Vick on a roster, my starting QB in that dynasty league, when news broke that he was involved in the dog thing. I cut him immediately while guys in other leagues were hanging on trying to get some trade value for him before his trial took place. I didn't care, didn't want to see him on my roster for another second. I have never felt differently about him since then. He's garbage. I don't give a rat's ### about comparisons with anyone else. I'm making a statement about Vick, that's all.

 

[Chachi]

I just want to get this off my chest.

Mike Vick is garbage. He said and did all the right things after the dog fighting conviction so he could again get an NFL paycheck, but anyone who would do the things he did in the first place is simply garbage.

Whether he's proven to be involved in this shooting incident is irrelevant to me. Some thug from his entourage probably did the actual shooting but that doesn't matter. He was involved, eagerly participating in teaching his fellow-garbage cousin a lesson.

He's still the scumbag S of a B that killed those dogs and always will be. And to me he'll always be garbage. I hope he's out of football permanently after this latest thing. He's a blight on the NFL. Good riddance to him.

I'm not defending Vick here or any other place, believe you me, but I want to know something. Did you react this way when Leonard Little killed a human being? You know Little did absolutely no jail time, right? How about when other NFL players have killed other human beings in drunk driving incidents? Dogs lives are not worth nearly as much as human lives (in my opinion) yet there always seems to be some misplaced anger when it comes to Vick and dogs. Little kills another human being, yet is allowed to continue play football and win a Super Bowl, then get arrested for DWI again, and still got to continue playing football.Those of you calling for Vick to be banned from the NFL for killing dogs (which he spent time in prison for...yeah, yeah, I know it was really racketeering) and then not being present when a cousin (former known criminal associate) gets shot should take another look around.

Little and that Cleveland WR (forget his name right now) actually KILLED HUMAN BEINGS yet are allowed to continue playing football in the NFL. I'm sure there are more I cannot remember. I call BS. WTF is wrong with you people????

You know what? You're not going to drag me into a debate over Leonard Little or Donte Stallworth or anyone else vs Mike Vick. You're just not. I had Vick on a roster, my starting QB in that dynasty league, when news broke that he was involved in the dog thing. I cut him immediately while guys in other leagues were hanging on trying to get some trade value for him before his trial took place. I didn't care, didn't want to see him on my roster for another second. I have never felt differently about him since then. He's garbage. I don't give a rat's ### about comparisons with anyone else. I'm making a statement about Vick, that's all.

How dare you not qualify that you think Leonard Little, OJ, Rae Carruth, Stallworth are not scumbags. HOW DARE YOU!!!I am a history teacher, every time I bring up any evil dictator or villians name, I spend 10 minutes qualifying that Napolean, Judas, Hitler Nero, Osama Bin Laden and countless others were/are also horrible human beings, I spend about 95% of class time qualifying every statement I make and am sure not to leave any meanies off the list because it would show bias on my part, the parents are complaining that their students IQ's drop every day after my class but I told them that I am politically correct and they can kiss my tush if they don't like it.

In all seriousness, I didn't see Leonard Little's name in the title of this thread.

 

[siffoin]

What veteran Free agent QB's are on the wire right now?

In your opinion, is there a desire to cut bait from most Philly fans?

Jeff Garcia's willing, I'll bet...

Trade with Minn for Sage Rosenfels

 

[identikit]

What veteran Free agent QB's are on the wire right now?

In your opinion, is there a desire to cut bait from most Philly fans?

Jeff Garcia's willing, I'll bet...

Trade with Minn for Sage Rosenfels

 

[Dexter Manley]

Marcus Vick doing the smart thing and talking publicly about the incident:

Marcus Vick makes denial of his own

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 1, 2010 8:24 PM ET

Marcus Vick thought he threw a successful 30th birthday party for his brother Mike. Then he stepped outside and found out that someone had been shot.

That's the story according to Marcus, who made an appearance Thursday on the "The 757 Club" with Johnny D & Bartley on WXTG 102.1FM in Virginia Beach.

On Wednesday, Bartley reported that Marcus Vick was involved in the shooting. Vick seemed amazed by the accusation and denied it. He said he didn't leave the club until the party was over. "By the time I got outside, cops were there, with an ambulance and everything. . . . I didn't even know what had happened."

That account matches up with what a club spokesman said on Thursday and comes on the same day his brother Michael Vick released a statement denying any involvement.

Marcus Vick said he saw Quanis Phillips, Michael's former co-defendant and the man shot that night, enter the party earlier in the evening. And Phillips apparently stayed all night.

"I did see Phillips come through the door, but he didn't really catch my attention," Vick said. "I don't know where he went once he got into the club. So I don't really have any comments on that."

Vick said he heard rumors about the possible shooter and heard stories about Phillips' behavior. "A couple of the people I was talking to said he was intoxicated and high and drunk. So when people are in those kind of conditions, you never know what they are going to say to other folks in the area to cause a shooting," Vick said.

We're surprised that Marcus was so open on-air, and wasn't angrier at the hosts for saying he was involved. But Vick was aiming to clear his name after seeing our post on Wednesday, which passed along Bartley's report.

"I was just sitting down before y'all called," Vick told the hosts. "And my friend was reading something on sportstalkfootball, nflfootballtalk, protalk, something like that and people making comments I was involved in it, which is crazy."

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...ial-of-his-own/

 

[Dexter Manley]

Club owner says Quanis Phillips wasn't kicked out of the party

Posted by Mike Florio on July 1, 2010 2:01 PM ET

One of the theories making the rounds regarding the events culminating in the shooting of former Bad Newz Kennels co-owner Quanis Phillips suggests that Phillips tried to gain access to the party, that he was turned away, and that a brouhaha ensued.

This theory, if accurate, would tend to dispel the notion that Eagles quarterback Mike Vick was "associating" with a convicted felon at his 30th birthday party. Instead, these facts would suggest that Phillips tried unsuccessfully to "associate" with Vick.

One of the owners of the restaurant/nightclub where the party occurred appeared on 97.5 The Fanatic in Philly to talk about the situation. And Allen Fabijan explained that there were no incidents at the club that evening, and that Phillips was not escorted out of the establishment.

"We don't have any reflection of that on video," Fabijan said, pointing out later that 16 surveillance cameras have been installed on the premises.

Fabijan also reiterated that shots rang out at 2:09 a.m. ET, only two minutes after Vick's vehicle pulled away from the club. The shots came from the same direction in which Vick's vehicle was headed.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...t-of-the-party/

 

[Tau837]

Vick said he heard rumors about the possible shooter and heard stories about Phillips' behavior. "A couple of the people I was talking to said he was intoxicated and high and drunk. So when people are in those kind of conditions, you never know what they are going to say to other folks in the area to cause a shooting," Vick said.

 

[Tau837]

Fabijan also reiterated that shots rang out at 2:09 a.m. ET, only two minutes after Vick's vehicle pulled away from the club. The shots came from the same direction in which Vick's vehicle was headed.

Hadn't heard the bolded part before.

 

[H.K.]

Michael Vick-QB- Eagles Jul. 2 - 1:31 pm et

According to the Philadelphia Daily News, the Eagles have no plans to cut ties with troubled backup Michael Vick at this time.

As of Thursday, the Eagles were of the belief that Vick had nothing to do with the shooting that left his cousin and former Bad Newz Kennelz associate Quanis Phillips with a gunshot wound. Team sources say Vick will remain Kevin Kolb's backup "unless further details emerge linking him" to the crime.

Source: Philadelphia Daily News

 

[H.K.]

Eagles coach Andy Reid, currently on a USO tour in Germany, revealed Friday that he is staying in touch with troubled backup Michael Vick.

"I have spoken to Michael and I've looked into the situation," Reid said. "I'm aware of the things that are happening." Asked about Vick's future in Philly, Reid replied "nothing has been decided" and said he's sticking behind the Eagles' statement. Vick is expected to remain an Eagle barring the emergence of details linking him to last week's shooting of Quanis Phillips.

Source: Philadelphia Daily News

 

[Jeremy]

I just want to get this off my chest.

Mike Vick is garbage. He said and did all the right things after the dog fighting conviction so he could again get an NFL paycheck, but anyone who would do the things he did in the first place is simply garbage.

Whether he's proven to be involved in this shooting incident is irrelevant to me. Some thug from his entourage probably did the actual shooting but that doesn't matter. He was involved, eagerly participating in teaching his fellow-garbage cousin a lesson.

He's still the scumbag S of a B that killed those dogs and always will be. And to me he'll always be garbage. I hope he's out of football permanently after this latest thing. He's a blight on the NFL. Good riddance to him.

I'm not defending Vick here or any other place, believe you me, but I want to know something. Did you react this way when Leonard Little killed a human being? You know Little did absolutely no jail time, right? How about when other NFL players have killed other human beings in drunk driving incidents? Dogs lives are not worth nearly as much as human lives (in my opinion) yet there always seems to be some misplaced anger when it comes to Vick and dogs. Little kills another human being, yet is allowed to continue play football and win a Super Bowl, then get arrested for DWI again, and still got to continue playing football.Those of you calling for Vick to be banned from the NFL for killing dogs (which he spent time in prison for...yeah, yeah, I know it was really racketeering) and then not being present when a cousin (former known criminal associate) gets shot should take another look around.

Little and that Cleveland WR (forget his name right now) actually KILLED HUMAN BEINGS yet are allowed to continue playing football in the NFL. I'm sure there are more I cannot remember. I call BS. WTF is wrong with you people????

While those crimes resulted in something far worse than dead dogs, they weren't malicious in nature. They were extremely careless, reckless and irresponsible, but they didn't set out to hurt anyone. And the difference between those guys and a beloved athlete like Jared Allen is luck. What Vick did to those dogs was premeditated and unspeakably cruel. It wasn't an accident or a one time mistake. It was a sick act of cruelty over a period or months or years.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Restaurant owner: Video shows Vick leaving three minutes before shooting

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on June 29, 2010 8:22 PM ET

Michael Vick and his lawyer could have a major timeline problem.

The owner of the restaurant that hosted Vick's birthday party last week says he has video of Vick and "his entourage" driving away from the restaurant at 2:07 A.M., only three minutes before gunshots were fired in the direction the cars went.

Florio is spending some much deserved time with the family, so I'll say it: wow.

"I'm not saying that Michael Vick did the shooting," Allen Fabija told the Daily Press. "But he did not leave [long] before" the shooting like Vick told police, according to Vick's lawyer.

Vick's camp has consistently painted a picture of the Eagles quarterback leaving his party well before the shooting. First, we heard 30 minutes. Vick's attorney Larry Woodward told the AP on Tuesday that his client left at least 10 minutes before the shooting and up to 20 minutes before.

Now there is possibly video evidence putting the number at three minutes.

Woodward and Vick better hope the video proves Fabija lied to the newspaper. Otherwise, Vick's entire account to police will be called into question.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...efore-shooting/

It's weird Vick can't provide a timeline of what happened at the party after he left.

I'm trusting that this statement is of a sarcastic nature. That said, a couple of points:1) What difference does it make if Vick left the party 3 minutes, 30 minutes or 3 hours before the shooting? He was not on the premises.

2) The bigger issue is what was Phillips doing there? Unless the guy barged in uninvited (and it's possible), then someone is not looking out for Vick, or worse, he's not looking out for himself.

1) Lying about it matters. Especially since he lied about the dogfighting charges at first. I would think that with his previous troubles he would've been as honest as is humanly possible about the situation if he truly had nothing to do with it. Even if he didn't, he now looks more suspicious because of it. Doesn't mean he had anything to do with it, but he's set a precedent of lying before and now it looks the same as then.

I don't know...from what I read, his original statement was that he left 10-30 minutes prior to the shooting. We holding his feet to the fire on potentially 7 minutes? At 2AM, when you've been having a fun time and are probably tired, perhaps a bit inebriated (although I'm not sure if no alcohol is part of his parole). And if the shooting occurred at 2:10...isn't it possible that Vick had in his mind a certain departure time and as he was leaving, is saying good byes to people...gets held up a bit. I mean, he was the guest of honor. Quick good byes aren't necessarily the norm in that type of situation. Vick doesn't have the benefit of instant replay in terms of what time he left the club.It may seem like I"m trying to find reasons to justify his timeline...but to me, it appears more people are trying to poke holes in it for the sake of who it is.

I wouldn't argue that having this type of party was a smart move given his position and past and like I said, the presence of Philips to me is the most concerning aspect of this situation for him. But to say "It wasn't 10 minutes, it was 3 minutes - LIAR!!!" is off-target.

I see your point and I agree, 7 minutes isn't much. But 27 is, and 10-30 is a pretty big range of time and to be insisting he had nothing to do with the shooting or the guy when now there is some valid question as that statement's truth... His last issue played out at first a lot like this. Lots of denials that get contradicted.

 

[massraider]

Fabijan also reiterated that shots rang out at 2:09 a.m. ET, only two minutes after Vick's vehicle pulled away from the club. The shots came from the same direction in which Vick's vehicle was headed.

Hadn't heard the bolded part before.

Yeah, there's something a bit off in the timeline and the supposed involvement of Marcus.

We heard Marcus was possibly involved, but, according to him, he was inside the club when the shooting happened, outside. The shots came from the direction Mike's vehicle left from. Marcus' story sounds easily provable, which would be one load off of Mike.

The possible 'associating' with his former dog buddy seems like it won't go anywhere. No stories of Mike being chummy with him, in fact there's stories that there was a confrontation. Which, oddly, helps Mike ("He wasn't invited, and we ignored him. He made a scene, we left", that kinda thing).

So it seems like the best chance for this to stick to Mike, is for it to come out that someone in his car shot this guy.

I wonder about traffic cameras. Were there any intersections nearby, that Vick's car drove through, that can spot where his car was, or wasn't, during the shooting?

 

[massraider]

I see your point and I agree, 7 minutes isn't much. But 27 is, and 10-30 is a pretty big range of time and to be insisting he had nothing to do with the shooting or the guy when now there is some valid question as that statement's truth... His last issue played out at first a lot like this. Lots of denials that get contradicted.

What other denial got contradicted?The time thing raises an eyebrow, but isn't a smoking gun (Ha! Get it?). How was Vick supposed to know the exact time of the shooting if he left?

 

[TommyGilmore]

I also heard that Vick was house hunting in the area of where the shooting took place.

 

[massraider]

I also heard that Vick was house hunting in the area of where the shooting took place.

Now what did that house ever do to Vick?!?

 

[D'OHtis]

I think they're going to cut bait here and soon. Kevin kolb should be the talk of that position but rather it's a guy that's done nothing on the field for 3+ years. If he wants to play QB, go to the UFL. Maybe you prove yourself to be of some worth in the future. (I don't think he's a quality backup at this point)

 

[identikit]

I think they're going to cut bait here and soon. Kevin kolb should be the talk of that position but rather it's a guy that's done nothing on the field for 3+ years. If he wants to play QB, go to the UFL. Maybe you prove yourself to be of some worth in the future. (I don't think he's a quality backup at this point)

It sure doesn't look like Vick will last that much longer with the Eagles, whether it's the latest event or the next one.Though Mort is reporting that the Eagles just paid him his 1.5 million roster bonus this week.

 

[Amused to Death]

It sure doesn't look like Vick will last that much longer with the Eagles, whether it's the latest event or the next one.

Though Mort is reporting that the Eagles just paid him his 1.5 million roster bonus this week.

Its an anonymous source so I know it isn't much but.....PHILADELPHIA (AP)—A person familiar with the team’s thinking says the Philadelphia Eagles are strongly considering releasing Michael Vick(notes).

The person says the team might cut Vick no matter what police conclude during their investigation of a shooting that followed the quarterback’s birthday celebration in Virginia Beach last week. The person spoke to The Associated Press early Saturday on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-eagles-vick

 

[identikit]

Eagles release statement on Vick

7/3/2010 2:21:44 PM

The Philadelphia Eagles released the following statement in the wake of the Associated Press report they were considering the release of Michael Vick:

Under normal circumstances, we would not issue a public statement regarding a matter still under investigation. However, due to the intense speculation that exists, we believe it is important to make a statement this afternoon regarding Michael Vick.

"Following the incident that occurred in Virginia on the morning of June 25, Michael and his representatives promptly contacted law enforcement agencies, the Philadelphia Eagles and the National Football League. The Eagles were provided with very detailed information during that discussion as to what took place at the event. Those details have not changed in any way over the course of the last week. Our investigation to this point has confirmed and has been consistent with the information that was originally communicated to us.

Furthermore, any report or speculation that suggests the Eagles are considering releasing Vick are not true. We will continue to gather information and monitor the situation and we will not have any further comment until that process is complete.

http://theredzone.org/BlogDescription.aspx?EntryId=7959

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Eagles to release statement on Vick

fixed.

 

[fatness]

The fate of Philadelphia Eagles QB Michael Vick is in limbo as the NFL considers whether he broke the grounds of his reinstatement when his birthday party in Virginia Beach ended in a shooting last Friday.

But if he ran into former co-defendant Quanis Phillips at the party -- the AP reported that Phillips was the shooting victim and the New York Post reported Phillips and Vick had a confrontation -- Vick may not have necessarily violated his federal probation, said James Garrett, a Virginia Beach attorney who specializes in probation law.

Garrett said that for a person on probation, a chance encounter with a felon would not in itself be a violation.

"But that's the start of the analysis, and then what happened afterward?" Garrett said. "Did they both show up at the party and realize they were both there and say, 'Oops, I'm in violation of probation by staying,' and get their keys and leave. Then probably nothing is going to be said. If they stuck around and had a couple of drinks and swapped stories, now they're into a different area."

link

 

[AngryPatriot]

To me this just proves that this guy is a loser, was a loser and will be a loser. The BS humane society stuff and all that is just that, BS. The NFL has it's own "laws" and he should be expelled from the NFL for life.

 

[crnerblitz]

I see your point and I agree, 7 minutes isn't much. But 27 is, and 10-30 is a pretty big range of time and to be insisting he had nothing to do with the shooting or the guy when now there is some valid question as that statement's truth... His last issue played out at first a lot like this. Lots of denials that get contradicted.

What other denial got contradicted?The time thing raises an eyebrow, but isn't a smoking gun (Ha! Get it?). How was Vick supposed to know the exact time of the shooting if he left?

I'm pretty sure He lied to everyone who would listen about his involvement in the dog fighting ring. Including the Owner and the Commish. I would say that goes to character.

 

[coolnerd]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/...arty-on-july-4/

As pointed out to PFT by Robert Littal of Blacksportsonline.com, trouble-prone Eagles quarterback Michael Vick is hosting an "All White" party on Sunday, July 4 in Washington D.C. Vick's birthday party two Thursdays ago, which ended in gunfire, was also of the "All White" variety.

According to ClubZone.com, the white dress-coded affair begins at 8 p.m. tonight and lasts until 3 a.m. It will be formally hosted by "Michael Vick and Celebrity Friends," and d.j.'d by fellows named Hostility and D.J. Quicksilva (no known relation). The party includes a barbecue with open bar from 8 p.m. to 9 p.m.

One hour of open bar. Fun.

According to Littal, the party has also been promoted on Twitter, MySpace, and Facebook. It's possible that Vick's name is only being used to promote the event, though the insignia being used to attract party-goers seems to strongly indicate that Vick has played a major role in the event's scheduling. And that he is going to be there.

Our advice to attendees: Might wanna get some of this.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

More on Vick's "White Party":

Vick reportedly hosting July 4th “All White Party”

Jul

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7/4/2010 6:18:29 PM | More

Robert Littal of Blacksportsonline.com reports Eagles quarterback Michael Vick is hosting an "All White" party on Sunday, July 4 in Washington D.C.

Littal says if Michael Vick is truly hosting this July 4th party at The Park and Fourteenth in DC and I don’t know if he is or isn’t, he has to be the biggest idiot on the planet.

Very similar to his birthday party where the shooting took place, all you have to do is email to get on the RSVP list. It is also being promoted on Facebook, Twitter and MySpace via ClubZone.com. In essence it is open to the public if you want to slam some cake or fireworks in Vick’s face.

 

[D'OHtis]

Hope he has the brain power to not show. (Doubtful IMO) ....Same reason I don't think he'll ever be someone's starting QB again.

At least when his NFL career comes to a halt, he'll be able to host parties for a small while. Can you imagine someone introducing this guy at a party: "Here he is, NFL backup QB and founder of Bad Newz Kennels, convicted felon, Michael Vick!!" (crowd barks)

 

[fatness]

link

Via a phone call I received while honoring America by catching at least a dozen fish swimming in one of her rivers, Mike Vick did not attend the party.

Per a league source, Mike Vick went to a barbecue in the Philadelphia area.

 

[fatness]

Virginia Beach police issued a statement updating their investigation into the shooting that injured a man outside a nightclub that was hosting Michael Vick's 30th birthday party.

The police have indentified the shooter, but cannot charge the suspect because the victim and various witnesses have been uncoopertive. The statement went on to say that there are no other suspects, including Vick.

The Eagles quarterback released a statement last week claiming his innocence in the shooting that maimed a codefendant in his dogfighting case. The Eagles have been conducting their own fact-finding search and have yet to find any information that would lead them to believe Vick was involved.

The team, therefore, isn't expected to release its backup quarterback, despite cries from some fans and media for the Eagles to cut ties with Vick.

Here's the Virginia Beach police statement in its entirity, released by spokesman Adam Bernstein:

"Investigators were able to determine the identity of the shooter. Unfortunately because of the lack of cooperation from the victim, coupled with the reluctance of witnesses, the Commonwealth Attorney’s Office, upon reviewing all of the evidence, has determined that no charges will be filed in this case at this time. Because the suspect will not be charged, his identity cannot be released by police. There are no other suspects in this case, including Michael Vick."

Link

 

[moderated]

Mikey's a good guy, just misunderstood.

 

[AngryPatriot]

Yeah- the witnesses all know this and understand that a good man will now and then pop a cap in someone. The victim is also an honorable and forgiving man. These things happen at birthday parties.

 

[Ray_T]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

I'm not sure that is necessarily the case unless you can prove that one of Vicks buddies pulled the trigger.I've been in a nightclub when someone got shot outside. I didnt see it happen, and I didnt know any of the people involved and I didnt even know it had happened until the police arrived.This does not mean I hang with a bad crowd. It happens sometimes. If they are linking Vick just because he was at the club, That is wrong and unfair to him. If they are linking Vick because one of his Entourage shot the guy, then that is another matter.

 

[Foosball God]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

I'm not sure that is necessarily the case unless you can prove that one of Vicks buddies pulled the trigger.I've been in a nightclub when someone got shot outside. I didnt see it happen, and I didnt know any of the people involved and I didnt even know it had happened until the police arrived.This does not mean I hang with a bad crowd. It happens sometimes. If they are linking Vick just because he was at the club, That is wrong and unfair to him. If they are linking Vick because one of his Entourage shot the guy, then that is another matter.

Were you hosting a private party at this club?

 

[Dexter Manley]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

I'm not sure that is necessarily the case unless you can prove that one of Vicks buddies pulled the trigger.I've been in a nightclub when someone got shot outside. I didnt see it happen, and I didnt know any of the people involved and I didnt even know it had happened until the police arrived.This does not mean I hang with a bad crowd. It happens sometimes. If they are linking Vick just because he was at the club, That is wrong and unfair to him. If they are linking Vick because one of his Entourage shot the guy, then that is another matter.

Were you hosting a private party at this club?

Don't see how that is relevant.If you have ever thrown a private party then you would know it's not.

 

[massraider]

Hosting a party doesn't make you responsible for the actions of everyone there.

 

[metoo]

"Changed man"Was a thug, still is a thug, always will be a thug.Pathetic how people still like this clown when hes trash on and off the field.

Do we know that Vick was the person shooting?

Vick doesnt need to be the person shooting. The fact he is hanging around people who will shoot each other shows he is still hanging out with the wrong crowd.

I'm not sure that is necessarily the case unless you can prove that one of Vicks buddies pulled the trigger.I've been in a nightclub when someone got shot outside. I didnt see it happen, and I didnt know any of the people involved and I didnt even know it had happened until the police arrived.This does not mean I hang with a bad crowd. It happens sometimes. If they are linking Vick just because he was at the club, That is wrong and unfair to him. If they are linking Vick because one of his Entourage shot the guy, then that is another matter.

Were you hosting a private party at this club?

It doesn't matter but it wasn't a private party.