SPECIAL TEAMS STATS > Need Team Kick/Punt Return Yardage? (1 Viewer)

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[reg]

nfl.com has them listed.

ETA link because I know you are a lazy ###.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/OFF-...ar?sort_col_1=3

 

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nfl.com has them listed.

ETA link because I know you are a lazy ###.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/OFF-...ar?sort_col_1=3

Thanks.. I had just found that. First time drafting independed Special Teams... these hold pretty consistent? Also.. any sites list total yardage rather than just returns/average?

 

[Bri]

' date='Aug 24 2006, 10:37 AM' post='5386541']

nfl.com has them listed.

ETA link because I know you are a lazy ###.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/OFF-...ar?sort_col_1=3

Thanks.. I had just found that. First time drafting independed Special Teams... these hold pretty consistent? Also.. any sites list total yardage rather than just returns/average?

nfl.com does

 

[ipljeff]

Last years totals:

http://footballguys.com/05herman_returners17.php

 

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Last years totals:

http://footballguys.com/05herman_returners17.php

Great link. Unfortunately we draft by TEAM. I can obviously use this as a starting point if I can't track down the others.

Thanks

 

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' date='Aug 24 2006, 10:37 AM' post='5386541']

nfl.com has them listed.

ETA link because I know you are a lazy ###.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/OFF-...ar?sort_col_1=3

Thanks.. I had just found that. First time drafting independed Special Teams... these hold pretty consistent? Also.. any sites list total yardage rather than just returns/average?

nfl.com does

I must be missing that

 

[Bri]

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' date='Aug 24 2006, 10:37 AM' post='5386541']

nfl.com has them listed.

ETA link because I know you are a lazy ###.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/OFF-...ar?sort_col_1=3

Thanks.. I had just found that. First time drafting independed Special Teams... these hold pretty consistent? Also.. any sites list total yardage rather than just returns/average?

nfl.com does

I must be missing that

Yds/ Yds/ Games No. Yards Game Ret TD Long FC

1. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 51 492 30.8 9.6 0 31 18

2. Pittsburgh Steelers 16 46 470 29.4 10.2 2 81 13

3. New York Giants 16 49 453 28.3 9.2 1 58 16

4. Philadelphia Eagles 16 53 448 28.0 8.5 0 44 24

5. Carolina Panthers 16 41 444 27.8 10.8 0 76 11

6. Baltimore Ravens 16 39 431 26.9 11.1 0 51 13

7. Tennessee Titans 16 45 418 26.1 9.3 1 52 13

8. Chicago Bears 16 46 417 26.1 9.1 1 73 13

9. Jacksonville Jaguars 16 53 415 25.9 7.8 0 24 15

10. Miami Dolphins 16 43 390 24.4 9.1 0 47 23

11. Arizona Cardinals 16 50 383 23.9 7.7 0 32 16

12. Green Bay Packers 16 45 381 23.8 8.5 1 85 18

13. Cleveland Browns 16 37 373 23.3 10.1 1 62 13

14. Minnesota Vikings 16 41 344 21.5 8.4 1 71 14

15. New Orleans Saints 16 46 320 20.0 7.0 0 42 5

16. New England Patriots 16 40 314 19.6 7.9 0 29 18

17. Kansas City Chiefs 16 43 293 18.3 6.8 0 52 7

18. Dallas Cowboys 16 45 284 17.8 6.3 0 26 21

19. Denver Broncos 16 33 281 17.6 8.5 0 52 17

20. Buffalo Bills 16 28 279 17.4 10.0 0 43 17

21. Detroit Lions 16 36 274 17.1 7.6 0 49 13

22. Atlanta Falcons 16 31 261 16.3 8.4 0 29 23

23. San Diego Chargers 16 39 245 15.3 6.3 0 23 17

24. Houston Texans 16 30 223 13.9 7.4 0 37 7

25. New York Jets 16 34 219 13.7 6.4 0 18 12

26. San Francisco 49ers 16 28 212 13.3 7.6 1 75 12

27. Oakland Raiders 16 37 206 12.9 5.6 0 34 7

28. Indianapolis Colts 16 24 182 11.4 7.6 0 29 25

29. Washington Redskins 16 30 180 11.3 6.0 0 18 28

30. Seattle Seahawks 16 31 177 11.1 5.7 0 24 23

31. St. Louis Rams 16 30 175 10.9 5.8 0 17 23

32. Cincinnati Bengals 16 28 157 9.8 5.6 0 13 14

Games No. Yards Game Ret TD Long FC

1. Houston Texans 16 84 2173 135.8 25.9 2 99 0

2. Buffalo Bills 16 75 1992 124.5 26.6 1 99 0

3. Oakland Raiders 16 80 1832 114.5 22.9 0 62 0

4. New York Jets 16 71 1728 108.0 24.3 1 95 1

5. Arizona Cardinals 16 76 1719 107.4 22.6 0 90 0

6. Tennessee Titans 16 70 1697 106.1 24.2 0 85 0

7. San Diego Chargers 16 69 1667 104.2 24.2 0 60 0

8. Kansas City Chiefs 16 68 1591 99.4 23.4 1 96 0

9. Cincinnati Bengals 16 67 1580 98.8 23.6 0 94 0

9. St. Louis Rams 16 74 1580 98.8 21.4 1 99 0

11. Philadelphia Eagles 16 71 1578 98.6 22.2 0 53 0

12. Detroit Lions 16 73 1576 98.5 21.6 0 73 0

13. New England Patriots 16 70 1555 97.2 22.2 0 65 0

14. Minnesota Vikings 16 71 1549 96.8 21.8 1 86 0

15. San Francisco 49ers 16 81 1540 96.3 19.0 0 40 0

16. New York Giants 16 63 1529 95.6 24.3 1 95 0

17. Dallas Cowboys 16 64 1523 95.2 23.8 0 49 0

18. New Orleans Saints 16 75 1516 94.8 20.2 0 46 0

19. Cleveland Browns 16 68 1506 94.1 22.1 1 90 0

20. Miami Dolphins 16 68 1501 93.8 22.1 0 46 0

21. Atlanta Falcons 16 70 1482 92.6 21.2 0 47 0

22. Washington Redskins 16 62 1438 89.9 23.2 2 94 0

23. Green Bay Packers 16 75 1418 88.6 18.9 0 57 0

24. Seattle Seahawks 16 61 1347 84.2 22.1 0 53 1

25. Baltimore Ravens 16 60 1289 80.6 21.5 0 87 2

26. Pittsburgh Steelers 16 56 1208 75.5 21.6 0 74 0

27. Jacksonville Jaguars 16 50 1197 74.8 23.9 1 91 0

28. Tampa Bay Buccaneers 16 59 1148 71.8 19.5 0 37 0

29. Chicago Bears 16 55 1092 68.3 19.9 0 40 0

30. Carolina Panthers 16 53 1083 67.7 20.4 0 60 0

31. Indianapolis Colts 16 51 1017 63.6 19.9 0 39 0

32. Denver Broncos 16 47 975 60.9 20.7 0 36 1

 

[Bri]

FWIW, you might try and look for a lesser team that plays good defenses often on its schedule.

 

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Bri.

Thanks man.. :thumbup

but where the hell are you finding that under stats on the NFL.com site? I'm only able to pull up averages

 

[Bri]

I'd swear I've seen em there

for that I just used a program I have that I don't feel would be right to tout in this site's forum

 

[Mike Herman]

Here are the team rankings for fantasy return points for the last four years, 2005 listed first.

8 25 12 15 Arizona

27 11 5 23 Atlanta

23 5 26 17 Baltimore

3 1 29 28 Buffalo

28 32 7 11 Carolina

19 6 3 16 Chicago

29 19 14 19 Cincinnati

5 9 23 5 Cleveland

26 12 16 12 Dallas

31 26 8 27 Denver

25 2 2 3 Detroit

10 20 25 31 Green Bay

1 17 18 7 Houston

32 15 27 29 Indianapolis

15 29 24 26 Jacksonville

11 7 1 4 Kansas City

13 4 31 25 Miami

6 13 28 21 Minnesota

18 21 11 6 New England

22 3 17 1 New Orleans

2 8 30 30 NY Giants

12 27 15 2 NY Jets

16 24 4 9 Oakland

9 23 9 10 Philadelphia

7 18 6 20 Pittsburgh

21 14 10 22 San Diego

17 10 22 18 San Francisco

30 22 19 14 Seattle

20 30 20 13 St. Louis

24 16 32 24 Tampa Bay

4 28 13 32 Tennessee

14 31 21 8 Washington

 

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Here are the team rankings for fantasy return points for the last four years, 2005 listed first.8 25 12 15 Arizona27 11 5 23 Atlanta23 5 26 17 Baltimore3 1 29 28 Buffalo28 32 7 11 Carolina19 6 3 16 Chicago29 19 14 19 Cincinnati5 9 23 5 Cleveland26 12 16 12 Dallas31 26 8 27 Denver25 2 2 3 Detroit10 20 25 31 Green Bay1 17 18 7 Houston32 15 27 29 Indianapolis15 29 24 26 Jacksonville11 7 1 4 Kansas City13 4 31 25 Miami6 13 28 21 Minnesota18 21 11 6 New England22 3 17 1 New Orleans2 8 30 30 NY Giants12 27 15 2 NY Jets16 24 4 9 Oakland9 23 9 10 Philadelphia7 18 6 20 Pittsburgh21 14 10 22 San Diego17 10 22 18 San Francisco30 22 19 14 Seattle20 30 20 13 St. Louis24 16 32 24 Tampa Bay4 28 13 32 Tennessee14 31 21 8 Washington

You the man Bri... I'd expect NO to move up this year (+Bush... bad team)... but what other big movers do you see?

 

[GregR_2]

FWIW, you might try and look for a lesser team that plays good defenses often on its schedule.

The ideal situation would be a horrible defense, not a strong one.The problem with good defenses is they lead to lots of punts and few scores. About 20-25% of punts end in a fair catch, so 0 points. Then there's the yardage. The best punt returner has a 12 yard average... an average one has about an 8.Kick returns get you 23 yards each from an average guy, and seldom are they fair catches compared to punts. So you want a bad defense that gives up a lot of scores, because that one kick return is worth about as many points as 3 punts would be.

 

[There it is]

I always use this one:

I have it sorted by total punt yards.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?s...2&year=2005

 

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Would it also help to look at teams who's DEF are projected to have the most points scored on them in FBG projections? One would think those points scored would equate to more kickoffs and by extension more points.... no?

I assume variance in SOS explains much of the movement by poor DEF... and a Slightly better defense with a much harder SOS should present better value.

Or am I way off base? I'm considering just sorting Dodd's DEF rankings based on Points allowed and then tiering that and being done with it.

Thoughts?

ST looks to score enough points to warrant some consideration in my league... but not so much as to warrant hardcore analysis.

 

[doughboydeluxe]

FWIW, you might try and look for a lesser team that plays good defenses often on its schedule.

The ideal situation would be a horrible defense, not a strong one.The problem with good defenses is they lead to lots of punts and few scores. About 20-25% of punts end in a fair catch, so 0 points. Then there's the yardage. The best punt returner has a 12 yard average... an average one has about an 8.Kick returns get you 23 yards each from an average guy, and seldom are they fair catches compared to punts. So you want a bad defense that gives up a lot of scores, because that one kick return is worth about as many points as 3 punts would be.

I play in a league like this, and I just try to find the crappiest defense out there. Look at the league leaders in kickoff return yardage from last year (kickoffs account for about 75-80% of return yardage)... Texans, Bills Raiders, Jets, Cardinals, Titans. Crappy teams = lots of points against = lots of kickoff retruns = lots of kickoff retrun yards = lots of fantasy points

 

[doughboydeluxe]

' date='Aug 24 2006, 11:54 AM' post='5387523']Would it also help to look at teams who's DEF are projected to have the most points scored on them in FBG projections? One would think those points scored would equate to more kickoffs and by extension more points.... no? I assume variance in SOS explains much of the movement by poor DEF... and a Slightly better defense with a much harder SOS should present better value. Or am I way off base? I'm considering just sorting Dodd's DEF rankings based on Points allowed and then tiering that and being done with it. Thoughts?ST looks to score enough points to warrant some consideration in my league... but not so much as to warrant hardcore analysis.

Agree all around. Don't put too much time into it, but I would think New Orleans, Jets, Raiders, Bills, and Titans should be near the top of your list without even looking at the numbers. Your idea about sorting rankings and tierings sounds like plenty.ETA: In my league there are STILL people who don't understand that bad defenses score more points for special teams. KC usually goes pretty high because of what Dante Hall did a few years back, and if you have a couple of people draft a ST because of who the return man is, you'll get some nice value by just waiting.

 

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[section 8]

Last years totals:

http://footballguys.com/05herman_returners17.php

Any other sites out there that list individules.....Myabe projections for this year ???

 

[heckmanm]

' date='Aug 24 2006, 11:54 AM' post='5387523']Would it also help to look at teams who's DEF are projected to have the most points scored on them in FBG projections? One would think those points scored would equate to more kickoffs and by extension more points.... no? I assume variance in SOS explains much of the movement by poor DEF... and a Slightly better defense with a much harder SOS should present better value. Or am I way off base? I'm considering just sorting Dodd's DEF rankings based on Points allowed and then tiering that and being done with it. Thoughts?ST looks to score enough points to warrant some consideration in my league... but not so much as to warrant hardcore analysis.

Agree all around. Don't put too much time into it, but I would think New Orleans, Jets, Raiders, Bills, and Titans should be near the top of your list without even looking at the numbers. Your idea about sorting rankings and tierings sounds like plenty.ETA: In my league there are STILL people who don't understand that bad defenses score more points for special teams. KC usually goes pretty high because of what Dante Hall did a few years back, and if you have a couple of people draft a ST because of who the return man is, you'll get some nice value by just waiting.

My league adds a point for each punt inside the 20 (equal to 30 return yards), so a team with a great punter can make up for lower return yardage. Also 2 points for blocking a punt/FG (1 for blocked XP)

 

[There it is]

' date='Aug 24 2006, 10:13 AM' post='5386383']

We give 1 pt per 20 yds KO return1 pt per 10 yds Punt Return6 pts TDPlus bonus points for TD distance (1 pt per 10 yds.)What are yours?

 

[Bri]

FWIW, you might try and look for a lesser team that plays good defenses often on its schedule.

The ideal situation would be a horrible defense, not a strong one.The problem with good defenses is they lead to lots of punts and few scores. About 20-25% of punts end in a fair catch, so 0 points. Then there's the yardage. The best punt returner has a 12 yard average... an average one has about an 8.Kick returns get you 23 yards each from an average guy, and seldom are they fair catches compared to punts. So you want a bad defense that gives up a lot of scores, because that one kick return is worth about as many points as 3 punts would be.

I play in a league like this, and I just try to find the crappiest defense out there. Look at the league leaders in kickoff return yardage from last year (kickoffs account for about 75-80% of return yardage)... Texans, Bills Raiders, Jets, Cardinals, Titans. Crappy teams = lots of points against = lots of kickoff retruns = lots of kickoff retrun yards = lots of fantasy points

I think you guys misunderstood my post

 

[Bri]

' date='Aug 24 2006, 12:06 PM' post='5387185']

Here are the team rankings for fantasy return points for the last four years, 2005 listed first.8 25 12 15 Arizona27 11 5 23 Atlanta23 5 26 17 Baltimore3 1 29 28 Buffalo28 32 7 11 Carolina19 6 3 16 Chicago29 19 14 19 Cincinnati5 9 23 5 Cleveland26 12 16 12 Dallas31 26 8 27 Denver25 2 2 3 Detroit10 20 25 31 Green Bay1 17 18 7 Houston32 15 27 29 Indianapolis15 29 24 26 Jacksonville11 7 1 4 Kansas City13 4 31 25 Miami6 13 28 21 Minnesota18 21 11 6 New England22 3 17 1 New Orleans2 8 30 30 NY Giants12 27 15 2 NY Jets16 24 4 9 Oakland9 23 9 10 Philadelphia7 18 6 20 Pittsburgh21 14 10 22 San Diego17 10 22 18 San Francisco30 22 19 14 Seattle20 30 20 13 St. Louis24 16 32 24 Tampa Bay4 28 13 32 Tennessee14 31 21 8 Washington

You the man Bri... I'd expect NO to move up this year (+Bush... bad team)... but what other big movers do you see?

Minnesota

 

[GregR_2]

FWIW, you might try and look for a lesser team that plays good defenses often on its schedule.

The ideal situation would be a horrible defense, not a strong one.The problem with good defenses is they lead to lots of punts and few scores. About 20-25% of punts end in a fair catch, so 0 points. Then there's the yardage. The best punt returner has a 12 yard average... an average one has about an 8.Kick returns get you 23 yards each from an average guy, and seldom are they fair catches compared to punts. So you want a bad defense that gives up a lot of scores, because that one kick return is worth about as many points as 3 punts would be.

I play in a league like this, and I just try to find the crappiest defense out there. Look at the league leaders in kickoff return yardage from last year (kickoffs account for about 75-80% of return yardage)... Texans, Bills Raiders, Jets, Cardinals, Titans. Crappy teams = lots of points against = lots of kickoff retruns = lots of kickoff retrun yards = lots of fantasy points

I think you guys misunderstood my post

Whoops, my bad. Read "defenses" as "defense".

 

[section 8]

FWIW, you might try and look for a lesser team that plays good defenses often on its schedule.

The ideal situation would be a horrible defense, not a strong one.The problem with good defenses is they lead to lots of punts and few scores. About 20-25% of punts end in a fair catch, so 0 points. Then there's the yardage. The best punt returner has a 12 yard average... an average one has about an 8.Kick returns get you 23 yards each from an average guy, and seldom are they fair catches compared to punts. So you want a bad defense that gives up a lot of scores, because that one kick return is worth about as many points as 3 punts would be.

I play in a league like this, and I just try to find the crappiest defense out there. Look at the league leaders in kickoff return yardage from last year (kickoffs account for about 75-80% of return yardage)... Texans, Bills Raiders, Jets, Cardinals, Titans. Crappy teams = lots of points against = lots of kickoff retruns = lots of kickoff retrun yards = lots of fantasy points

I think you guys misunderstood my post

Whoops, my bad. Read "defenses" as "defense".

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