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Sporting News ranks Brady as worst remaining playoff QB (1 Viewer)

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Do you agree with The Sporting News rankings? How would you rank 'em?

With Super Bowl in sight, which QBs are best suited to get thereThe Sporting News

The four thirtysomething quarterbacks left in the 2013 NFL playoffs have an impressive career resume. Between Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, there are 36 playoff victories, 35 Pro Bowl trips and eight Super Bowl appearances.

Then there are the four young guns: Andrew Luck, Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick and Cam Newton. But don’t be fooled by their collective inexperience and limited accomplishments. Their talent and youth will serve them well in the divisional round of the playoffs.

They not only stack up with their elder statesman, but one of them is bound to trump them all with his first ring. Here’s how all those quarterbacks stack up against each other in the quest for Super Bowl XLVIII:

Arm strength

They obviously can make all the throws, but it’s especially crazy that coming into the league, Luck was knocked so much in this area. Watching his zip on deep balls, from both inside and outside the pocket, it aces the eye test. Where Brady, Manning, Brees and Rivers make up for some of their diminished strength is putting their receivers in position to make big plays after the catch.

1. Luck

2. Wilson

3. Kaepernick

4. Newton

5. Brady

6. Manning

7. Brees

8. Rivers

Accuracy/delivery

This was a tricky category. This is the first of Manning’s three wins, having the best combination of completion percentage (68.3) and yards per attempt (8.3). But Rivers and Brees were right there with him in exceptional seasons where they also executed at high levels in diverse passing games.

The young trio behind them has great touch on deep and short balls alike. Still, Manning's touchdown to interception ratio is 55 to 10, while Wilson's was 26 to 9. Brady and Kaepernick would have been higher here last season, but keep in mind both dealt with key receiver injuries.

1. Manning

2. Rivers

3. Brees

4. Wilson

5. Newton

6. Luck

7. Brady

8. Kaepernick

Mobility/athleticism

Wilson finished second to Newton in rushing yards, and doesn’t quite have Kaepernick’s sudden explosiveness. But what makes him top the list is the old-school mad scrambling to keep pass plays alive combined with his effectiveness in just taking off and running. Wilson led all quarterbacks with 26 rushes that went for 10 yards or more, and ranked 12th among all players. Newton and Luck are two big, tough bodies in motion, too.

1. Wilson

2. Kaepernick

3. Newton

4. Luck

5. Rivers

6. Brees

7. Brady

8. Manning

Pocket presence/awareness

True pocket passers never die, and they’re not fading away, either. Given that Manning is the least athletic of this group and still was sacked fewer times than any starting QB in the league (18)—without left tackle Ryan Clady—is a testament that fundamental footwork is still more important that fleet feet. Consider that the last five here were all dropped more than twice as much as Manning. Rivers rebounded thanks to playing a in quicker-release oriented offense.

1. Manning

2. Luck

3. Rivers

4. Brees

5. Newton

6. Brady

7. Kaepernick

8. Wilson

Intangibles

Leadership and competitiveness are more tangible than you think, and no one has manifested them more than Manning. The hardest thing to do is deliver what was expected. The preparation and dedication he’s shown throughout his career has added up to the most prolific production in league history. The others have plenty of the same attributes, but they’re all looking up to No. 18 this season.

1. Manning

2. Wilson

3. Brees

4. Luck

5. Brady

6. Kaepernick

7. Newton

8. Rivers

Totals (based on eight points for first, one point for last)

Through this inexact science and given the rough property that QB = SB, this should tell us that Manning’s Broncos or Luck’s Colts will face Wilson’s Seahawks in this year’s Super Bowl. Given there’s a little separation overall in this group of great passers, the one who emerges will prove to be the best of 2013.

1. Manning, Luck, Wilson — 28

4. Brees — 22

5. Netwon — 21

6. Rivers, Kaepernick — 19

8. Brady — 15
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Upon entering this thread, I thought the article was going to say that Brady was the worst of the 8 remaining QBs during the 2013 season, and I was going to say that a pretty decent argument could be made.

This whole exercise of inventing arbitrary categories, creating arbitrary rankings, then adding the numbers up and pretending it's anything other than a massive nonsense salad is... well, a massive nonsense salad.

 
Adam Harstad said:
Upon entering this thread, I thought the article was going to say that Brady was the worst of the 8 remaining QBs during the 2013 season, and I was going to say that a pretty decent argument could be made.
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If GB had beaten SF, sure, but no way Kaepernick was a better QB than Brady during the 2013 season.

 
Limiting the categories to these is lazy, but good enough for TSN. Weighing each category equally is lazy, but good enough for TSN. Ranking Tom Brady 5th in intangibles is not good enough for anyone. That's embarrassingly bad. No wonder these guys are going out of business.

 
lbouchard said:
Adam Harstad said:
Upon entering this thread, I thought the article was going to say that Brady was the worst of the 8 remaining QBs during the 2013 season, and I was going to say that a pretty decent argument could be made.
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If GB had beaten SF, sure, but no way Kaepernick was a better QB than Brady during the 2013 season.
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Agreed. You can't even play the "Kaepernick is playing much better since Crabtree came back!" card, because while it's true, Brady played a lot better with Gronk back, too. And honestly, I don't think Andrew Luck's season was all that, either. Hamilton deserves a lot of blame, sure, but at the end of the day, Luck is the guy who averaged below 7 YPA in a run-first offense. Claiming either of those guys was better than Brady this year requires placing an undue amount of emphasis on their contributions on the ground, IMO. Or hell, nobody cares because his team has more wins, but Newton seems to be stagnating in Carolina, too.

Still, I think Manning, Brees, Wilson, and Rivers were all better than Brady by a significant margin this year, and I think if you really, really love QBs with wheels you could squint and make a case for Newton/Kaepernick/Luck, and I'd be interested to see someone try to do so in a thoughtful, reasonable manner.

Unfortunately, what I found when I entered this thread could not be described at any point as either "thoughtful" or "reasonable". It's click bait. It's a shame when a potentially interesting conversation like this gets trampled over in a blatant attempt to troll for page views.

 
Jewell said:
Do you agree with The Sporting News rankings? How would you rank 'em?

With Super Bowl in sight, which QBs are best suited to get thereThe Sporting News

Intangibles

Leadership and competitiveness are more tangible than you think, and no one has manifested them more than Manning. The hardest thing to do is deliver what was expected. The preparation and dedication he’s shown throughout his career has added up to the most prolific production in league history. The others have plenty of the same attributes, but they’re all looking up to No. 18 this season.

1. Manning

2. Wilson

3. Brees

4. Luck

5. Brady

6. Kaepernick

7. Newton

8. Rivers
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I wish I would have started with this.... so I would have known to stop reading at the very beginning. These rankings seem to be done with a dart board. How Brady and Brees aren't at the top is a complete mystery. How Newton isn't at the bottom is just as a big a mystery as why he sits on the bench hiding under a towel the moment anything starts to go wrong. IMO you could put an awful lot of QB's in Wilson/Kaepernick situations and their "intangibles" would suddenly go through the roof.

 
BoltBacker said:
Jewell said:
Do you agree with The Sporting News rankings? How would you rank 'em?

With Super Bowl in sight, which QBs are best suited to get thereThe Sporting News

Intangibles

Leadership and competitiveness are more tangible than you think, and no one has manifested them more than Manning. The hardest thing to do is deliver what was expected. The preparation and dedication he’s shown throughout his career has added up to the most prolific production in league history. The others have plenty of the same attributes, but they’re all looking up to No. 18 this season.

1. Manning

2. Wilson

3. Brees

4. Luck

5. Brady

6. Kaepernick

7. Newton

8. Rivers
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I wish I would have started with this.... so I would have known to stop reading at the very beginning. These rankings seem to be done with a dart board. How Brady and Brees aren't at the top is a complete mystery. How Newton isn't at the bottom is just as a big a mystery as why he sits on the bench hiding under a towel the moment anything starts to go wrong. IMO you could put an awful lot of QB's in Wilson/Kaepernick situations and their "intangibles" would suddenly go through the roof.
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But not Alex Smith and Matt Flynn...

As far as intangibles, particularly on the part of Wilson, you have to agree that he has got something about him that the team responds to.

We just don't have the litmus test to show it, not without him not playing and someone else in the game.

But yeah, horrible article, waste of electrons on the net that could better have been used for pr0n

 
One of the greatest QBs of all time is 5th in intangibles, eh? We must be in an all-time golden era of QB play.

 
As a Pats fan I hope this at least lights a fire under Brady's a$$ so he plays better in the playoffs. Aside from the game vs Tebo and Denver his last few playoff runs have been mediocre at best. To his credit it doesn't help when you lose your biggest offensive weapon and have slot receivers who shall remain nameless dropping balls to stop drives. Just once would I like to see the offense put up some big #'s vs a quality defense (not Indy, SD or Denver) in a playoff game when everything is on the line.

 
They forgot the category of winning games on big stages, including experience in winning Superbowls.

1. Brady

2. Brees

3. Mann...

4-8. Empty

 
msommer said:
BoltBacker said:
Jewell said:
Do you agree with The Sporting News rankings? How would you rank 'em?

With Super Bowl in sight, which QBs are best suited to get thereThe Sporting News

Intangibles

Leadership and competitiveness are more tangible than you think, and no one has manifested them more than Manning. The hardest thing to do is deliver what was expected. The preparation and dedication he’s shown throughout his career has added up to the most prolific production in league history. The others have plenty of the same attributes, but they’re all looking up to No. 18 this season.

1. Manning

2. Wilson

3. Brees

4. Luck

5. Brady

6. Kaepernick

7. Newton

8. Rivers
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I wish I would have started with this.... so I would have known to stop reading at the very beginning. These rankings seem to be done with a dart board. How Brady and Brees aren't at the top is a complete mystery. How Newton isn't at the bottom is just as a big a mystery as why he sits on the bench hiding under a towel the moment anything starts to go wrong. IMO you could put an awful lot of QB's in Wilson/Kaepernick situations and their "intangibles" would suddenly go through the roof.
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But not Alex Smith and Matt Flynn...

As far as intangibles, particularly on the part of Wilson, you have to agree that he has got something about him that the team responds to.

We just don't have the litmus test to show it, not without him not playing and someone else in the game.

But yeah, horrible article, waste of electrons on the net that could better have been used for pr0n
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Huh? What did Alex Smith do when Harbaugh came to SF? Pretty sure he went 13-3 and lost to the SB Champ Giants in the NFC Championship game and had 299 yards with 4 TDs (1 rushing) and 0 INTs in the game before to beat the Saints 36-32 including to 80+ yards drives in the final 4 minutes. He was 6-2 before he got knocked out of the next game and Kaep took over.

Seeing as how KC went from awful to 1 win over the Broncos away from be the #1 seed, you can't say that Alex Smith wasn't solid in the same situation as Kaep, especially after this year in KC.

 
Jewell said:
Do you agree with The Sporting News rankings? How would you rank 'em?

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Cleaning the list a bit so I can re-rank a little later. Stay tuned.

 
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Adam Harstad said:
Upon entering this thread, I thought the article was going to say that Brady was the worst of the 8 remaining QBs during the 2013 season, and I was going to say that a pretty decent argument could be made.

This whole exercise of inventing arbitrary categories, creating arbitrary rankings, then adding the numbers up and pretending it's anything other than a massive nonsense salad is... well, a massive nonsense salad.
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A pretty decent argument could also be made that Brady played at an MVP level this season as well. Obviously he wouldn't actually WIN the MVP with Peyton setting records...but Brady was phenomenal this year.

 
shader said:
Adam Harstad said:
Upon entering this thread, I thought the article was going to say that Brady was the worst of the 8 remaining QBs during the 2013 season, and I was going to say that a pretty decent argument could be made.

This whole exercise of inventing arbitrary categories, creating arbitrary rankings, then adding the numbers up and pretending it's anything other than a massive nonsense salad is... well, a massive nonsense salad.
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A pretty decent argument could also be made that Brady played at an MVP level this season as well. Obviously he wouldn't actually WIN the MVP with Peyton setting records...but Brady was phenomenal this year.
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lol...no, it really can't. Not even close. To any reasonable, rational observer.

 
I thought this would be about FF when I saw the title...and yes, from a FF perspective, this post season, I do think an argument can be made that Brady is the worst.

 
CORRECTED LIST

Arm strength

1. Kaepernick

2. Luck

3. Wilson

4. Newton

5. Brady

6. Manning

7. Brees

8. Rivers

Accuracy/delivery

1. Brees

2. Manning

3. Brady

4. Rivers

5. Wilson

6. Luck

7. Newton

8. Kaepernick

Mobility/athleticism

1. Kaepernick

2. Wilson

3. Luck

4. Newton

5. Rivers

6. Brees

7. Brady

8. Manning

Pocket presence/awareness

1. Manning

2. Brady

3. Brees

4. Luck

5. Wilson

6. Newton

7. Rivers

8. Kaepernick

Intangibles

I hesitate to even include this, but guys like Manning, Brady, Brees deserve extra credit on top of things like arm strength, etc. since there are other factors that contribute to their success that can't be measured. This will mainly be based on leadership but also other intangibles that they display.

1. Manning

2. Brady

3. Brees

4. Luck

5. Wilson

6. Kaepernick

7. Newton

8. Rivers

Totals (based on eight points for first, one point for last)

1. Manning - 27

2. Brady - 26

3. Luck - 26

4. Wilson - 25

5. Brees - 25

6. Kaep - 21

7. Newton - 17

8. Rivers - 13

In reality, things like accuracy should be more heavily weighted than arm strength, so Brees should be over Wilson and Luck at the moment. That just shows a big flaw of this scoring system.

 
:lmao: at it being anything but a tie between Kaep/Wilson for arm strength. These dudes throw upper 90s baseballs. Sorry, Luck is not #1.

 
shader said:
Adam Harstad said:
Upon entering this thread, I thought the article was going to say that Brady was the worst of the 8 remaining QBs during the 2013 season, and I was going to say that a pretty decent argument could be made.

This whole exercise of inventing arbitrary categories, creating arbitrary rankings, then adding the numbers up and pretending it's anything other than a massive nonsense salad is... well, a massive nonsense salad.
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A pretty decent argument could also be made that Brady played at an MVP level this season as well. Obviously he wouldn't actually WIN the MVP with Peyton setting records...but Brady was phenomenal this year.
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No he wasn't. He played well below his standards.

 
doowain said:
:lmao: at it being anything but a tie between Kaep/Wilson for arm strength. These dudes throw upper 90s baseballs. Sorry, Luck is not #1.
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:grad: Throwing a baseball is not throwing a football. :lol:

Edited to add: Your avatar is one of my favorites.

 
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Warrior said:
shader said:
Adam Harstad said:
Upon entering this thread, I thought the article was going to say that Brady was the worst of the 8 remaining QBs during the 2013 season, and I was going to say that a pretty decent argument could be made.

This whole exercise of inventing arbitrary categories, creating arbitrary rankings, then adding the numbers up and pretending it's anything other than a massive nonsense salad is... well, a massive nonsense salad.
Click to expand...
A pretty decent argument could also be made that Brady played at an MVP level this season as well. Obviously he wouldn't actually WIN the MVP with Peyton setting records...but Brady was phenomenal this year.
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lol...no, it really can't. Not even close. To any reasonable, rational observer.
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I'm a Pats fan and I agree. He was the Pats MVP but not a league MVP.

 
shader said:
Adam Harstad said:
Upon entering this thread, I thought the article was going to say that Brady was the worst of the 8 remaining QBs during the 2013 season, and I was going to say that a pretty decent argument could be made.

This whole exercise of inventing arbitrary categories, creating arbitrary rankings, then adding the numbers up and pretending it's anything other than a massive nonsense salad is... well, a massive nonsense salad.
Click to expand...
A pretty decent argument could also be made that Brady played at an MVP level this season as well. Obviously he wouldn't actually WIN the MVP with Peyton setting records...but Brady was phenomenal this year.
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Personally, numbers aside, I wasn't all that impressed with Tom Brady's play this year. He was struggling early in the year with things that were not his receivers' fault- he was missing open receivers, making bad decisions with the football, and struggling a bit with his accuracy. By midseason he got into more typical Tom Brady form, but I don't think you can pretend the first half of the season just didn't happen. He was a very good QB, but not the automatic top-5 QB we've seen in recent years.

Regardless, there are a lot of perfectly reasonable, rational, and intelligent arguments one could make regarding Tom Brady's performance this season, which makes it all the more impressive that Sporting News managed to avoid making a single one of them, even by accident.

 
pizzatyme said:
doowain said:
:lmao: at it being anything but a tie between Kaep/Wilson for arm strength. These dudes throw upper 90s baseballs. Sorry, Luck is not #1.
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Link?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm5PORiPG9I

The 98mph they flashed on the board in Seattle is just hype- there's no way that was a near-100mph pitch. Both guys were legit baseball prospects, though.

This story says that Kaepernick could hit the '90s regularly in high school. Hard to find anything concrete for Wilson, since any search mostly turns up that 98mph nonsense.

 
Adam Harstad said:
pizzatyme said:
doowain said:
:lmao: at it being anything but a tie between Kaep/Wilson for arm strength. These dudes throw upper 90s baseballs. Sorry, Luck is not #1.
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Link?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm5PORiPG9I

The 98mph they flashed on the board in Seattle is just hype- there's no way that was a near-100mph pitch. Both guys were legit baseball prospects, though.

This story says that Kaepernick could hit the '90s regularly in high school. Hard to find anything concrete for Wilson, since any search mostly turns up that 98mph nonsense.
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Watching Kaep's pitch....that was absolutely legitimate. He claimed that he hadn't touched a baseball in 7 years and he hit 87mph.

Agreed on Wilson's.

 
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i don't think anyone throws harder than Kaep. That's not necessarily a good thing though when he's rifling fastballs from 5 yards away.

 
Looks about right to me. Brady has always been an average-to-mediocre postseason QB who relies on his kicker to bail him out of tough spots. Story of his career--down 1-3 late and he wins, down 4-or-more and need the TD and he goes belly up.

 
Warrior said:
CORRECTED LIST

Arm strength

1. Kaepernick

2. Luck Wilson

3. Wilson Newton

4. Newton Luck

5. Brady Rivers

6. Manning Brady

7. Brees

8. Rivers Manning

Accuracy/delivery

1. Brees

2. Manning

3. Brady

4. Rivers Luck

5. Wilson Rivers

6. Luck Wilson

7. Newton

8. Kaepernick

Mobility/athleticism

1. Kaepernick

2. Wilson Newton

3. Luck Wilson

4. Newton Luck

5. Rivers

6. Brees

7. Brady

8. Manning

Pocket presence/awareness

1. Manning

2. Brady Brees

3. Brees Luck

4. Luck Brady

5. Wilson

6. Newton Rivers

7. Rivers Newton

8. Kaepernick

Intangibles

I hesitate to even include this, but guys like Manning, Brady, Brees deserve extra credit on top of things like arm strength, etc. since there are other factors that contribute to their success that can't be measured. This will mainly be based on leadership but also other intangibles that they display.

1. Manning

2. Brady

3. Brees

4. Luck Rivers

5. Wilson

6. Kaepernick Luck

7. Newton

8. Rivers Kaepernick

The Inexplicably Not Included Category: QB Intelligence(recognizing schemes, calling correct audibles, understanding game situation, etc.)

1. Manning

2. Brady

3. Brees

4. Luck

5. Rivers

6. Wilson

7. Newton

8. Kaepernick

Totals (based on eight points for first, one point for last)

1. Manning - 33

2. Brees - 32

3. Brady - 30

4. Luck - 29

5. Wilson - 27

6. Rivers - 24

7. Newton - 21

8. Kaep - 20

This is what I get when I do this stupid method of rating QBs, and honestly It's pretty close to how I'd select them if given a choice of whom I'd want leading my playoff charge. I'd pick Brady over Brees, but otherwise yes. Crazy good group of QBs in the playoffs this year.

In reality, things like accuracy should be more heavily weighted than arm strength, so Brees should be over Wilson and Luck at the moment. That just shows a big flaw of this scoring system. I agree with this statement.
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