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Ron Swanson

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So one of the great things for me coming out of the pandemic is I started actively playing a sport for the first time in about 25 years. And I've become pretty good at it. To the point where I'm one of the top players in my area regardless of age. It started off as a weight loss thing and has become something more. The problem I don't quite know how to handle is in my own mind. Most of the time all is good, especially when i'm playing well. But, every once in a while things don't go well and my game regresses. And then I get into my own head. I get really angry. Like, really, really angry. Murderously angry. Don't get me wrong, I never focus this on other players...its all focused on me...but inside my own head...man, I don't even want to be there. I start spinning. And, realistically, I know others see it. I'm pretty vocal and I have a somewhat imposing presence so I know I've scared other players. I don't want to. I don't want to be that guy. But I can't seem to get out of my own head and not be that guy.

So, how do I get out of my own head and become more zen?
 
There is a classic book about individual mindset in sports, focused on tennis but very applicable to most sports. I thought it was excellent when I read it back in high school. Tennis The Inner Game. Easy enough to find still I think.
 
There is a classic book about individual mindset in sports, focused on tennis but very applicable to most sports. I thought it was excellent when I read it back in high school. Tennis The Inner Game. Easy enough to find still I think.
Funny you should mention this book. I bought it earlier today. Thanks!
 
I used to shoot rifles competitively when I was younger (mostly in my teens). I got so angry when I underperformed. Never in a confrontational manner with another person, just basically throwing temper tantrums (throwing things, etc.). Looking back, someone needed to give me a reality check, but I guess I kept it enough in check that people just shrugged it off bc I was young. But thinking back, I'm pretty embarrassed about my own behavior. I understand why I acted that way, 100% because I KNEW I was capable of performing better than I did, so when I missed the mark I got angry at myself.

I say all that to say this.... I think for anything anyone says to you here to register, you have to be able to step outside of yourself and see that your behavior is unbecoming. It's certainly not productive, and in fact might be counter-productive. Looking back at myself, I wish I had been able to channel that anger/frustration into more laser-focus on whatever was missing from my game. This might be your situation as well. There's something most likely. Take video of yourself and watch it back. Find your mistakes. Work on them. It won't happen overnight. It will take discipline to break bad habits, etc. but if you have the will to win and to improve (bc face it, and this could be the thing that gets you, no matter how good you are, there's room for improvement), you just have to swallow your pride and do it. But most of all? Give grace and be kind to your own self. Do that and see what happens.
 
Hey. They’re not awarding any pickle ball scholarships today….

Think back to team sports. Did you ever give a teammate a super hard time when they screwed up or were having a bad day?? Probably not right? You were probably supportive, said things to pick them up.

So why can’t you treat yourself that well? You’re not so arrogant as to set yourself to a higher standard, nor are you so down on yourself that you feel you deserve to be treated shabbily…at least I hope not.

Try focusing on what you’re not doing properly instead of saying useless things like “l suck”
 
... I never focus this on other players...its all focused on me... I have a somewhat imposing presence so I know I've scared other players. ... I don't want to be that guy.

So, how do I get out of my own head and become more zen?
I recently saw a helpful hint for people who deal face-to-face with angry customers.
The hint was to install a mirror behind the counter where customers could see themselves.
People do not like seeing angry facial features and when they see themselves raging, they do not like it and stop.
If you can find a mirror or use your phone when you begin to feel rage, I believe it would help to keep your cool.
It made sense to me.
I thought it was one of the most clever and effective ways to stop anger that I have ever seen.
Here is a list that may also help.
I can vouch that #18 is extremely effective.

How to Control Anger: 25 Tips to Help You Stay Calm
 
Maybe go talk to a therapist?

Does this happen in any other part of your life, such as road rage, for example?
 
i find myself from time to time getting pissed off while golfing and i have to remind myself i don’t get paid to play (i pay to play) and i play to relieve stress not cause it. it doesn’t always work but that’s why i drink while golfing
I haven't golfed in a couple years. There was a time when golf seemed to bring out the worst in me which often ruined the game for others around me. At one point I read Golf is not a Game of Perfect. It's hard to change behavior just because you want to but the book helped me with perspective which helped me relax more while playing which improved my enjoyment as well as my scores.
 
I had some similar issues earlier this year with Disc Golf. I was playing in some tournaments and was throwing the disc amazingly well and should have crushed my division by multiple shots, but my putting was atrocious and I lost a few by only 1 or 2 shots. I was really hard on myself and really angry.

I had to take a step back and realize that I'm out there for fun...that's why you do it....for fun.
 
Yeah, you just need to relax.

As somebody who doesn't get the way you describe, and as somebody who plays meaningless sports often with other guys out of their prime (softball, golf, tennis, basketball) the people like you who get so mad are absolutely no fun to play with. That includes people who just get mad at themselves. I find them silly and will do what I can to avoid playing with them. I don't even like beating them because the anger is awkward.

Maybe use as your motivation the fact that you're making this less fun for others even if that's not your intention? That way it's more about others than you?
 
i find myself from time to time getting pissed off while golfing and i have to remind myself i don’t get paid to play (i pay to play) and i play to relieve stress not cause it. it doesn’t always work but that’s why i drink while golfing
Same.

I'll also remind myself, "you're not at work, and you're playing X course which is a total privilege that others would want."

Obviously sucking is no fun, but getting angry completely kills the stress relief portion of adult sports that aren't professional.

While this is golf and I'm unsure if there's a pickleball equivalent, when I have a bad start or a bad hole (e.g. in my three day club championship a couple weekends ago I made a 9 on the second hole after an unlucky bounce leaving me less than an inch out of bounds - effectively killing all my chances of willing before the tournament barely began) I try to set short term goals for myself the remainder of the time. For example, after the aforementioned bad hole, I bet myself whether I could shoot 2 over or better the rest of the round. For the next two days of the tournament, my goal was to make x birdies and shoot my handicap or better both days.
 
I had some similar issues earlier this year with Disc Golf. I was playing in some tournaments and was throwing the disc amazingly well and should have crushed my division by multiple shots, but my putting was atrocious and I lost a few by only 1 or 2 shots. I was really hard on myself and really angry.

I had to take a step back and realize that I'm out there for fun...that's why you do it....for fun.
A bad day on the disc golf course is still better than a good day at work.
 
And then I get into my own head. I get really angry. Like, really, really angry. Murderously angry. Don't get me wrong, I never focus this on other players...its all focused on me...
Well maybe that's the problem bud. Focus that negative energy at your opponent, jump the net, go after them, throw a racket or a a pickle or whatever the hell you people use. Not good to keep that rage bottled up, go Hulk on the opponent and intimidate them, maybe yell & scream, show em your war face. Whatever happened to a competitive game of pickleball devolving into fisticuffs? Suck it up butter cup and take a swing!

I keed, I keed.
 
I didn't know pickle ball was such serious bidness but kind of get the anger as I'd have similar rage while playing tennis (especially doubles with my girlfriend ;). Best advice is remember it's just a recreational game meant to have fun. Step away with some deep breaths if you feel anger coming on. You don't want to be that old guy throwing pickle ball tantrums on Tik Tok.
 
#1 you're not that good.
#2 you're doing it for fun
#3 why so serious?
#4 have a beverage

i am pretty decent at skiing. i can ski pretty much anything on the mountain comfortably. i never say i am an expert. heck, i barely say i'm advanced. because there's always someone better. some are WAY better. i ski 30+ days a year. i love to ski hard. i challenge my abilities all the time. i love the workout. i'll burn 3K calories, in 4 hours, on a deep powder day. but some days i get frustrated because my body just isn't doing what i know it can. be it the conditions, i'm tired, i'm old, mercury's in retrograde, whatever. on those days, i dial it back and just enjoy the fact that i'm outside. it's beautiful. and i love the sport. this also happens after 1:45 or so (see: old) :lmao: around then, i have a beverage.
 
Yeah, you just need to relax.
Not in the history of "calm down" has anyone ever calmed down after being told to "calm down "

Yeah, you just need to relax.
Not in the history of "calm down" has anyone ever calmed down after being told to "calm down "
Settle down.
Simmer down now?
Hey, calm your ****. *

:rolleyes: Nipples
 
I used to think I was good at basketball.

As my skills started to decline, I got frustrated. Once I got so mad at missing a layup, I punched the mat under the goal. Except the mat was like 1/4" think and I basically just punched the block wall.

I broke my hand. A $2,000 deductible later and I realized I'm not a real athlete anymore, I'm just playing for fun now and I should not get that mad anymore.

Learn from me.
 
I used to think I was good at basketball.

As my skills started to decline, I got frustrated. Once I got so mad at missing a layup, I punched the mat under the goal. Except the mat was like 1/4" think and I basically just punched the block wall.

I broke my hand. A $2,000 deductible later and I realized I'm not a real athlete anymore, I'm just playing for fun now and I should not get that mad anymore.

Learn from me.
Dude you've had some on court experiences!
 
I used to think I was good at basketball.

As my skills started to decline, I got frustrated. Once I got so mad at missing a layup, I punched the mat under the goal. Except the mat was like 1/4" think and I basically just punched the block wall.

I broke my hand. A $2,000 deductible later and I realized I'm not a real athlete anymore, I'm just playing for fun now and I should not get that mad anymore.

Learn from me.
Dude you've had some on court experiences!
This story was from my late 20's...I think even before I joined FBG's.

I've spent a LOT of time on basketball courts over the past 35 years. One of my favorite places to be.
 
My father had an awful temper when he played tennis. So bad that my mother refused to play with him. Cursing, sulking, yelling, throwing his racquet. He even threw himself into a bush off to the side of a court once. I had to watch this as an impressionable kid and it embarrassed me so much that I never got mad when I played. I just didn't want to look that stupid. I agree with others that you need to get some perspective on how it looks to others, and then feel some shame for your behavior. Only then can you change.
 
So one of the great things for me coming out of the pandemic is I started actively playing a sport for the first time in about 25 years. And I've become pretty good at it. To the point where I'm one of the top players in my area regardless of age. It started off as a weight loss thing and has become something more. The problem I don't quite know how to handle is in my own mind. Most of the time all is good, especially when i'm playing well. But, every once in a while things don't go well and my game regresses. And then I get into my own head. I get really angry. Like, really, really angry. Murderously angry. Don't get me wrong, I never focus this on other players...its all focused on me...but inside my own head...man, I don't even want to be there. I start spinning. And, realistically, I know others see it. I'm pretty vocal and I have a somewhat imposing presence so I know I've scared other players. I don't want to. I don't want to be that guy. But I can't seem to get out of my own head and not be that guy.

So, how do I get out of my own head and become more zen?


What has helped me all through my life is the simple understanding that I am not a good person.

You are defined by your actions and those choices are reinforced by your reactions. For many years, I consistently did things that only a "bad person" would do. I don't get to pretend that I am good person who happens to do bad things on a regular basis.

What defines "I'm pretty vocal"? No one likes someone who is on a bed of roses when they win and a total tyrant when they lose. When you do that, you don't just lose a game, you also lose "yourself" in the process. You say "I don't want to be that guy" but what do your actions say? What do your reactions say?

One thing I do appreciate about @Otis is, over the years, I've said some relatively hard things to him, and he takes it in the chin. He knows I'm not trying to punish him. I'm not in it for sport. He's complained in the past about his anger, his frustration at his career, his lack of patience as a husband and a father. I've asked him in public before - Is that the lesson you want to teach your kids? Do you want your daughters to grow up and marry a guy who is angry all the time, hates himself, hates his life, hates his career and is a tyrant in his own household? I give Otis credit, he took it on the chin.

So I'm not going to ask you if you have kids or not, or nieces or nephew or young cousins or have a career where you have influence over young kids, but what lessons are you teaching them, if applicable, by displays of your anger? Something I recognized from my own childhood, that my parents refusal to be an example for me as a child, it was a declaration that they didn't love me and value me. And I see that in other people all the time. If you refuse to act as an example, to be the kind of person you'd want around your own kids, then it's a declaration. That you don't care. That you don't love. That you don't have enough love inside you and for them to be a better example.

If you keep doing bad things and acting in a toxic way, and that's on the regular, then you are a bad person. You are a toxic person. It's just that simple. You can say, that's my sole opinion, and that I don't know you. It's my viewpoint, no one needs to agree. You don't need to agree with it. But generally people who refuse to acknowledge the price of the life they choose get into the kinds of position you are in right now.

What is "I've scared other players"? It's OK to be angry sometimes. It's OK to raise your voice sometimes. It's OK to hate losing sometimes. But it doesn't sound like sometimes. No one actually respects that kind of behavior when it becomes your calling card, so in total, they just don't respect you.

Do you know why I got away with being a "bad person" for so long? Because I was good at it. I was highly competent at inflicting violence, pain and chaos onto other people.

So this isn't hard at all. Not the choice. The actual work involved however is arduous.

1) Choose to love the people in your life who rely on you so much that you choose to be an example in all things.

Or

2) Accept that you are a bad person who regularly does bad things and have the dignity to learn to be efficient at being a bad person

Lots of "bad people" in life are treated with respect. Because they are good at being a bad person. There is nothing more pathetic than someone who is a bad person and is incompetent at being a bad person.

Pick a side. Be honest about your actions and what they say. Live with that choice.

Personally, I don't respect your actions. And I don't respect your reactions. Not from what you've said so far in your own words. Because it's not like you are doing this at your workplace or in areas where there is real consequence. It's a half measure. What's the difference between a bully and a savage? A bully only hurts others when it doesn't cost him in theory for doing it. A savage doesn't care what it costs him, he's a total tyrant because it's his nature and he accepts it and he's honest with it. I could have some respect for you if you were just a savage, but sounds like you are just a run of the mill every day bully. Thus I don't respect you at all.
 
So one of the great things for me coming out of the pandemic is I started actively playing a sport for the first time in about 25 years. And I've become pretty good at it. To the point where I'm one of the top players in my area regardless of age. It started off as a weight loss thing and has become something more. The problem I don't quite know how to handle is in my own mind. Most of the time all is good, especially when i'm playing well. But, every once in a while things don't go well and my game regresses. And then I get into my own head. I get really angry. Like, really, really angry. Murderously angry. Don't get me wrong, I never focus this on other players...its all focused on me...but inside my own head...man, I don't even want to be there. I start spinning. And, realistically, I know others see it. I'm pretty vocal and I have a somewhat imposing presence so I know I've scared other players. I don't want to. I don't want to be that guy. But I can't seem to get out of my own head and not be that guy.

So, how do I get out of my own head and become more zen?


What has helped me all through my life is the simple understanding that I am not a good person.

You are defined by your actions and those choices are reinforced by your reactions. For many years, I consistently did things that only a "bad person" would do. I don't get to pretend that I am good person who happens to do bad things on a regular basis.

What defines "I'm pretty vocal"? No one likes someone who is on a bed of roses when they win and a total tyrant when they lose. When you do that, you don't just lose a game, you also lose "yourself" in the process. You say "I don't want to be that guy" but what do your actions say? What do your reactions say?

One thing I do appreciate about @Otis is, over the years, I've said some relatively hard things to him, and he takes it in the chin. He knows I'm not trying to punish him. I'm not in it for sport. He's complained in the past about his anger, his frustration at his career, his lack of patience as a husband and a father. I've asked him in public before - Is that the lesson you want to teach your kids? Do you want your daughters to grow up and marry a guy who is angry all the time, hates himself, hates his life, hates his career and is a tyrant in his own household? I give Otis credit, he took it on the chin.

So I'm not going to ask you if you have kids or not, or nieces or nephew or young cousins or have a career where you have influence over young kids, but what lessons are you teaching them, if applicable, by displays of your anger? Something I recognized from my own childhood, that my parents refusal to be an example for me as a child, it was a declaration that they didn't love me and value me. And I see that in other people all the time. If you refuse to act as an example, to be the kind of person you'd want around your own kids, then it's a declaration. That you don't care. That you don't love. That you don't have enough love inside you and for them to be a better example.

If you keep doing bad things and acting in a toxic way, and that's on the regular, then you are a bad person. You are a toxic person. It's just that simple. You can say, that's my sole opinion, and that I don't know you. It's my viewpoint, no one needs to agree. You don't need to agree with it. But generally people who refuse to acknowledge the price of the life they choose get into the kinds of position you are in right now.

What is "I've scared other players"? It's OK to be angry sometimes. It's OK to raise your voice sometimes. It's OK to hate losing sometimes. But it doesn't sound like sometimes. No one actually respects that kind of behavior when it becomes your calling card, so in total, they just don't respect you.

Do you know why I got away with being a "bad person" for so long? Because I was good at it. I was highly competent at inflicting violence, pain and chaos onto other people.

So this isn't hard at all. Not the choice. The actual work involved however is arduous.

1) Choose to love the people in your life who rely on you so much that you choose to be an example in all things.

Or


2) Accept that you are a bad person who regularly does bad things and have the dignity to learn to be efficient at being a bad person

Lots of "bad people" in life are treated with respect. Because they are good at being a bad person. There is nothing more pathetic than someone who is a bad person and is incompetent at being a bad person.

Pick a side. Be honest about your actions and what they say. Live with that choice.

Personally, I don't respect your actions. And I don't respect your reactions. Not from what you've said so far in your own words. Because it's not like you are doing this at your workplace or in areas where there is real consequence. It's a half measure. What's the difference between a bully and a savage? A bully only hurts others when it doesn't cost him in theory for doing it. A savage doesn't care what it costs him, he's a total tyrant because it's his nature and he accepts it and he's honest with it. I could have some respect for you if you were just a savage, but sounds like you are just a run of the mill every day bully. Thus I don't respect you at all.
Wait, who are you again?
 
I can tell you that this was me and this was my journey. You need to talk to someone, a professional. Forget the stigmatization of it, you need to talk to a Pro. I had several careers where I was very successful but always burnt bridges due to my rage/attitude. My father growing up was raging alcoholic, he would go full DefCon 1 on me for the slightest infraction. I was the oldest of four, I learned how to swim when my father took me a half mile off shore and threw me out of the boat.

That was my normal and I didn't think anything of if it as I was like 10. My "copy cat" behaviors would end up losing good friends in middle school, high school, college and post collegiate positions. There came a point when I was around 40 where I had that face the music moment. I said to myself, "Dude, you'd be fired from 90% of the companies in the US. I was lucky enough to always get a pass, but I knew I was wrong, I knew I should have been fired, I knew I needed help.

So I went to a few "councilors" and first realized I was a bigger idiot that I thought I was. I thought my my behavior was genetic. I know, I know, what a stupid assumption, and I thought I was a decently smart guy, lol.

When you're wearing blinders it's hard to see that it's not repetitive behavior that's all you've known since you were an infant.

In the end, talking to a professional changed my life. My only regret ws I didn't do it 20 years earlier.
 
I'm happy to report that I got past this. Haven't gotten angry on the court in months. Something goes wrong or I screw up I just take a deep breath and move on to the next point. Honestly not sure exactly what changed but I think maybe just typing it out here and reading the responses helped. Thanks, all!
 
Cured by typing. Nice! I would've thought therapy was needed but this is the cheaper route for sure. Didn't even have to worry about it being in-network.
 
I used to think I was good at basketball.

As my skills started to decline, I got frustrated. Once I got so mad at missing a layup, I punched the mat under the goal. Except the mat was like 1/4" think and I basically just punched the block wall.

I broke my hand. A $2,000 deductible later and I realized I'm not a real athlete anymore, I'm just playing for fun now and I should not get that mad anymore.

Learn from me.

I don’t get angry but I’m certainly struggling with not being the same player anymore. Very hard to grasp the concept that you’re not getting better, only worse.

It’s not easy.
 
I used to think I was good at basketball.

As my skills started to decline, I got frustrated. Once I got so mad at missing a layup, I punched the mat under the goal. Except the mat was like 1/4" think and I basically just punched the block wall.

I broke my hand. A $2,000 deductible later and I realized I'm not a real athlete anymore, I'm just playing for fun now and I should not get that mad anymore.

Learn from me.

I don’t get angry but I’m certainly struggling with not being the same player anymore. Very hard to grasp the concept that you’re not getting better, only worse.

It’s not easy.
Seriously. I gave up on playing organized basketball and soccer over this (and a foot injury). It was so frustrating realizing "5 years ago I would get to that ball easily" or "why am I getting rejected every time I try to score in the lane now- oh yeah it's because my vertical is like half what it used to be." I had to step back and change how I played which just wasn't as fun or successful. So I picked some new workout activities so I don't feel so stupid being terrible at them.
 
"5 years ago I would get to that ball easily"

I remember playing softball at a wedding in, like, 2004 or something like it. Balls were flying by me at third and I hadn't even barely moved. They seemed like routine grounders, but I just couldn't get to them. Those were mine about ten years ago! Routinely.

I haven't played since. What a humbling feeling.
 
"5 years ago I would get to that ball easily"

I remember playing softball at a wedding in, like, 2004 or something like it. Balls were flying by me at third and I hadn't even barely moved. They seemed like routine grounders, but I just couldn't get to them. Those were mine about ten years ago! Routinely.

I haven't played since. What a humbling feeling.
Humbling indeed and it just made me suck doubly. Besides being way past my athletic prime, I was still trying to make the plays I would make at 24. That led to me just turning the ball over non-stop.
 

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