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[BassNBrew]

but I think he's not super-better than every other TE on the board. Didn't question Gates - just said he regressed. Maybe if you read more closely such things as my rankings you'd learn a thing or two....

Yet you have Gates and your second ranked TE a mile apart in your current rankings. Either your rankings are wrong or your comments are wrong.

1. The overall rankings for a 12 team redraft do not directly apply to a 16 team survivor draft.2. Gates is not super better than every TE any longer in a PPR format. He has regressed. His QB isn't stellar. Other TEs are gaining on him (Crump, Heap, Shockey). 3. Using the #19 player vs. the #51 player argument is flawed. PPR brings TEs closer together in value as the effects of yardage and TDs are lessened. You should really quit while you're behind.

ppr only further separates TEs. No wonder you lag in this format. Only Gonzo, Heap, and Winslow gain ground...wasn't significant for Gonzo and Heap. The four as a group really distance themselves from the competition. Let's look at Gates and your #2 Crumpler. Gates = 288, Crumpler = 238. A 20 point delta is now a 50 delta.Please explain how Gates has "regressed"? Injuries catching up with him? Age? Losing speed? Losing time to the backup TE? Forced to block for LT?Also, wouldn't you expect Rivers to improve this year?

 

[BassNBrew]

Using Booker the same way as NO uses Bush will open up the offense for both backs, and both can be Top 32 RBs.

Care to wager a FBG subscription on both finishing in the top 32?Heck, I'll go bigger than that if you like as this is the silliest statement I've seen made on these boards since I've read a thread about PAC10 dominance.

 

[BassNBrew]

EBF - I see Jones as a below average RB1, Lynch as an average RB2, and Booker as a way below average RB3. I think he was a reach there, and won't be much better than the RBs drafted in rounds 17-18.

I think you'd have been better off with Pittman/Rhodes/Henry in round 10 to shore up that position, then drafted WR at 11.15 instead of Troupe. With Heap, you could have waited longer for your TE2 -- maybe skipped it entirely, depending on where the value fell.

We'll see. I have Thomas Jones rated higher than most. And I think Booker has a real chance to pile up some catches. He won't be a stud, but a top 45 RB is a viable RB3 in this format. RB is definitely my team's weakness, but I think my strength at QB, WR, and TE will help me ride out the storm. A lot of teams are going to be posting 6-8 points every week from their TE while I'm getting 12-20. It will make a big difference.

Ultimately, I'll have to stay healthy and catch a few breaks. That's how you win these things.

Come on EBF...he's a top 32 back in standard scoring, he's a stone cold lock for top 20 numers in this format. Too bad you didn't get Brown and lock up the equivalent of LT2 and Bush.

 

[LHUCKS]

6.15 Thome Yorke Brett Farve, QB16

7.02 Thome Yorke Ben Roethlisberger, QB17 PIT

Great, but expensive.

1.02 Thome Yorke Steven Jackson, RB2 STL

2.15 Thome Yorke Deuce McAllister, RB21 NO

16.15 Thome Yorke Correll Buckhalter, RB57 PHI

17.02 Thome Yorke Michael Bennett, RB58 KC

Solid at the top obvoiusly but not a fan of C-Buck. Still very strong.

3.02 Thome Yorke Roy Williams, WR10 DET

5.02 Thome Yorke Joey Galloway, WR25 TB

8.15 Thome Yorke Derrick Mason, WR45 BAL

9.02 Thome Yorke Eddie Kennison, WR46 KC

10.15 Thome Yorke Joe Jurevicius, WR61 CLE

18.15 Thome Yorke David Patten, WR93 NO

Tremendous group, very wise to go five WRs in the first 10 rounds and I count five starters which puts you in a very select group of WR depth. Nicely done here. The only drawback is that your guys are low TD guys overall so you may struggle against the other top teams in the final month. I still really like this group.

4.15 Thome Yorke Jeremy Shockey, TE4 NYG

11.02 Thome Yorke Daniel Graham, TE17 DEN

Great duo

14.15 Thome Yorke Olindo Mare, K10 NO

15.02 Thome Yorke John Kasay, K12 CAR

13.02 Thome Yorke Denver, D/ST11

12.15 Thome Yorke Philadelphia D/ST9

SolidOverall this is easily an above average team with the only real weak spot being RB depth. This is a top contender IMHO. Looks a lot like a team I'd draft.

 

[BassNBrew]

Well as much as I'd like to continue to school Pasquino, it's time to turn in.

I'll be back tomorrow to explain to Jeff why Miami won't have two top 32 place kickers next year.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

but I think he's not super-better than every other TE on the board.

Didn't question Gates - just said he regressed. Maybe if you read more closely such things as my rankings you'd learn a thing or two....

Yet you have Gates and your second ranked TE a mile apart in your current rankings. Either your rankings are wrong or your comments are wrong.

1. The overall rankings for a 12 team redraft do not directly apply to a 16 team survivor draft.2. Gates is not super better than every TE any longer in a PPR format. He has regressed. His QB isn't stellar. Other TEs are gaining on him (Crump, Heap, Shockey).

3. Using the #19 player vs. the #51 player argument is flawed. PPR brings TEs closer together in value as the effects of yardage and TDs are lessened.

You should really quit while you're behind.

ppr only further separates TEs. No wonder you lag in this format. Only Gonzo, Heap, and Winslow gain ground...wasn't significant for Gonzo and Heap. The four as a group really distance themselves from the competition. Let's look at Gates and your #2 Crumpler. Gates = 288, Crumpler = 238. A 20 point delta is now a 50 delta.Please explain how Gates has "regressed"? Injuries catching up with him? Age? Losing speed? Losing time to the backup TE? Forced to block for LT?

Also, wouldn't you expect Rivers to improve this year?

You really need to learn to do some math.Seriously.

Don't believe me? Try this:

Take the Top 5 TEs from Dodds' projections. Surprise, surprise. Gates is #1 and leads all categories.

1 Antonio Gates - 79 - 988 - 9

2 Jeremy Shockey - 65 - 780 - 7

3 Todd Heap - 75 - 803 - 6

4 Tony Gonzalez - 70 - 791 - 5

5 Kellen Winslow Jr - 78 - 772 - 5

So let's do some simple math.

First, FBG scoring:

1 Antonio Gates - 152.8

2 Jeremy Shockey - 120.0

3 Todd Heap - 116.3

4 Tony Gonzalez - 109.1

5 Kellen Winslow Jr - 107.2

Interesting. Gates is well ahead and 27-43% ahead of the 2nd thru 5th TE. No big surprise.Now, baby steps. Try and keep up.

1PPR scoring:

1 Antonio Gates - 231.8

2 Jeremy Shockey - 185

3 Todd Heap - 191.3

4 Tony Gonzalez - 179.1

5 Kellen Winslow Jr - 185.2

I'm pretty sure at this point is where you'd point to Gates and say "Wow, 40 more points than all the rest - PPR separates them further!"Check again. Gates is now only 21-29% ahead of their scores.

Lastly, 2PPR scoring:

1 Antonio Gates - 310.8

2 Jeremy Shockey - 250

3 Todd Heap - 266.3

4 Tony Gonzalez - 249.1

5 Kellen Winslow Jr - 263.2

"Amazing! Gates is more than 44 more than everyone else! 2PPR really separates them!"Again, percentages..... the difference between Gates and the 2nd-5th TE is now 17-25%.

So - what was that part again?

ppr only further separates TEs. No wonder you lag in this format. Only Gonzo, Heap, and Winslow gain ground...wasn't significant for Gonzo and Heap. The four as a group really distance themselves from the competition. Let's look at Gates and your #2 Crumpler. Gates = 288, Crumpler = 238. A 20 point delta is now a 50 delta.

Looking at the Top 5 from last year and the same results occur: Gates is 15-34% better than that group in FBG scoring, but only 8-29% better in 2PPR.Perhaps that would be why FBG rankings would have Gates >> the rest but in 2PPR the gap closes?

Hmm, maybe you might have learned something. I guess not though. Can't say I didn't try.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

3.06 Evilgrin Carson Palmer, QB2 CIN

9.06 Evilgrin Byron Leftwich, QB27 JAX

Great combo here...big fan of Lefty as a backup...his PPG is suprising.

1.06 Evilgrin Frank Gore, RB6 SF

4.11 Evilgrin LenDale White, RB28 TEN

5.06 Evilgrin Warrick Dunn, RB30 ATL

11.06 Evilgrin Kevin Faulk, RB51 NE

I think this group has nice upside with solid depth. I probably would have drafted a better RB2 to pair with Gore given Gore's injury history but it's still a solid group.

2.11 Evilgrin Marvin Harrison, WR6 IND

6.11 Evilgrin D. J. Hackett, WR33

7.06 Evilgrin Donte Stallworth, WR35 NE

8.11 Evilgrin Devery Henderson, WR43 NO

13.06 Evilgrin Ted Ginn, WR75 MIA

18.11 Evilgrin Samie Parker, WR91 KC

WR depth is the weakness of your team. Stallworth and Henderson rarely remain healthy and Ginn/Parker may not produce consistently. You need some things to go your way with this group...there's just a lot of risk here.

10.11 Evilgrin Marcus Pollard, TE16 SEA

12.11 Evilgrin Marcedes Lewis, TE21 JAX

14.11 Evilgrin Greg Olsen, TE26 CHI

Very solid value TE picks in Pollard and Marcedes, but Olsen wasn't really necessary...you could have used an extra WR or defense.

16.11 Evilgrin Rob Bironas, K22 TEN

17.06 Evilgrin Mason Crosby, K26 GB

15.06 Evilgrin Seattle D/ST18

Don't like one defense unless you've got a top defense. Overall you're going to lose some points at WR and D, you'll gain some points at QB and RB. I'd say this is an average team with some upside if your WRs surprise and if your RBs can stay healthy.

I hate one defense too, but I didn't expect someone to take a third defense, so I kind of got stuck with one. Agree 100% with the WR assessment - I chose to go with boom/bust guys over steady producers based on the format. Usually that means a long run or an early exit, but I'm playing to win here, not just to last until the final 5 or something, so that's a calculated risk. Could it blow up on me? Sure. We'll see.Thanks for the critique, man.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I think someone is confused. WR are NOT awarded points for TDs on special teams

Player Scoring:

Passing TDs = 6 pts

Rushing/receiving TDs = 6 pts

So basically Ginn is a gigantic turd unless someone's crappy QBs are chucky him the long ball.

Crap. I guess I am confused - my apologies to Atomic Punk. Christ - I always thought a TD scored went to the player as well as to the D/ST.. at least it's always been that way in leagues I've played in. I guess I needed to read the rules better.Well, at WR75, it's not like I took a huge risk on Ginn. Guess I have to hope he develops into a WR3 with the occasional long TD.

 

[BassNBrew]

but I think he's not super-better than every other TE on the board.

Didn't question Gates - just said he regressed. Maybe if you read more closely such things as my rankings you'd learn a thing or two....

Yet you have Gates and your second ranked TE a mile apart in your current rankings. Either your rankings are wrong or your comments are wrong.

1. The overall rankings for a 12 team redraft do not directly apply to a 16 team survivor draft.2. Gates is not super better than every TE any longer in a PPR format. He has regressed. His QB isn't stellar. Other TEs are gaining on him (Crump, Heap, Shockey).

3. Using the #19 player vs. the #51 player argument is flawed. PPR brings TEs closer together in value as the effects of yardage and TDs are lessened.

You should really quit while you're behind.

ppr only further separates TEs. No wonder you lag in this format. Only Gonzo, Heap, and Winslow gain ground...wasn't significant for Gonzo and Heap. The four as a group really distance themselves from the competition. Let's look at Gates and your #2 Crumpler. Gates = 288, Crumpler = 238. A 20 point delta is now a 50 delta.Please explain how Gates has "regressed"? Injuries catching up with him? Age? Losing speed? Losing time to the backup TE? Forced to block for LT?

Also, wouldn't you expect Rivers to improve this year?

You really need to learn to do some math.Seriously.

Don't believe me? Try this:

Take the Top 5 TEs from Dodds' projections. Surprise, surprise. Gates is #1 and leads all categories.

1 Antonio Gates - 79 - 988 - 9

2 Jeremy Shockey - 65 - 780 - 7

3 Todd Heap - 75 - 803 - 6

4 Tony Gonzalez - 70 - 791 - 5

5 Kellen Winslow Jr - 78 - 772 - 5

So let's do some simple math.

First, FBG scoring:

1 Antonio Gates - 152.8

2 Jeremy Shockey - 120.0

3 Todd Heap - 116.3

4 Tony Gonzalez - 109.1

5 Kellen Winslow Jr - 107.2

Interesting. Gates is well ahead and 27-43% ahead of the 2nd thru 5th TE. No big surprise.Now, baby steps. Try and keep up.

1PPR scoring:

1 Antonio Gates - 231.8

2 Jeremy Shockey - 185

3 Todd Heap - 191.3

4 Tony Gonzalez - 179.1

5 Kellen Winslow Jr - 185.2

I'm pretty sure at this point is where you'd point to Gates and say "Wow, 40 more points than all the rest - PPR separates them further!"Check again. Gates is now only 21-29% ahead of their scores.

Lastly, 2PPR scoring:

1 Antonio Gates - 310.8

2 Jeremy Shockey - 250

3 Todd Heap - 266.3

4 Tony Gonzalez - 249.1

5 Kellen Winslow Jr - 263.2

"Amazing! Gates is more than 44 more than everyone else! 2PPR really separates them!"Again, percentages..... the difference between Gates and the 2nd-5th TE is now 17-25%.

So - what was that part again?

ppr only further separates TEs. No wonder you lag in this format. Only Gonzo, Heap, and Winslow gain ground...wasn't significant for Gonzo and Heap. The four as a group really distance themselves from the competition. Let's look at Gates and your #2 Crumpler. Gates = 288, Crumpler = 238. A 20 point delta is now a 50 delta.

Looking at the Top 5 from last year and the same results occur: Gates is 15-34% better than that group in FBG scoring, but only 8-29% better in 2PPR.Perhaps that would be why FBG rankings would have Gates >> the rest but in 2PPR the gap closes?

Hmm, maybe you might have learned something. I guess not though. Can't say I didn't try.

I so knew this was coming which makes it even funnier.a) 21-29% v. 17-25%. - Wow, that is the difference between super better and ho-hum.

b) ppr moves the rest of the players at other positions too, albeit by varying amounts.

Your current rankings reflect five WR better than Gates and seventeen better than Crumpler. Using last year's ppg TE1 = 9.15, TE2 = 8.0, WR5 = 11.62, WR17 = 9.29. On a % basis WR17 output is 79.9% of WR5 while TE2 output is 87.4% of TE1.

Continue to spin it however you like, but your rankings don't back up your statements made throughout this thread.

 

[BassNBrew]

Using Booker the same way as NO uses Bush will open up the offense for both backs, and both can be Top 32 RBs.

Care to wager a FBG subscription on both finishing in the top 32?Heck, I'll go bigger than that if you like as this is the silliest statement I've seen made on these boards since I've read a thread about PAC10 dominance.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

4.03 KRS Drew Brees, QB3 NO

11.14 KRS Jeff Garcia, QB29 TAM

B-This will be my 3rd SSL. The first two, I waited until probably the 9th round to start drafting QBs. Every year I've had a speculative shaky QB crew and it didn't really seem to hurt me. This year, Brees seemed too good to pass up. I looked at who was on the board at 4.03 and Brees just stuck out to me as the best value. They have all their weapons from last year (minus a hobbled Horn who wasn't all that great). It didn't seem to matter what WR started in any given wee; Brees just got his numbers. Henderson/Copper have a little more experience under their belt, and NOR went with a WR in round 1. They also added Eric Johnson, who is a pretty good receiving TE if he stays healthy.

True to form, I waited and waited and waited for another QB. With Garcia, Gruden finally has the type of QB he wants to run his offense. Brad Johnson and Brian Griese were decent under Gruden, but Garcia is the type of QB I think he wants. His mobility should help some if their oline doesn't improve as much as it needs to. Throwing to Joey Galloway can't hurt either. He is 37 years old though.

1.14 KRS Maurice Jones-Drew, RB14 JAC

6.03 KRS Jerious Norwood, RB36 ATL

8.03 KRS Ladell Betts, RB43 WAS

10.03 KRS Michael Pittman, RB47 TB

C-I've never gotten 2 quality RB starters in SSL either. So I'm not losing too much sleep over this. I think MJD is gonna be a Westbrook style monster in a PPR format. If he can anchor my team, I'll be happy as long as the other RBs don't put up fat zeroes every week (which is a possibility). Dunn is a perennial favorite of mine, but he didn't get any younger this offseason, and he's already a little banged up heading into camp. Norwood has a chance to put up some good numbers here and there, and there's the outside chance that he wins the starting role. All 3 of my RBs outside of MJD are backing up iffy/oft injured RBs. Pittman should step in for 1-3 games and put up starters numbers, which isn't bad for RB47. If Pittman has to step into the starter's role for any length of time, he should put up very solid numbers in a PPR. We all know what Betts can do if Portis misses any time.

2.03 KRS Steve Smith WR2 CAR

3.14 KRS Laveranues Coles, WR19 NYJ

5.14 KRS Bernard Berrian, WR28 CHI

9.14 KRS Eric Parker, WR54 SD

12.03 KRS Antwaan Randle El, WR68 WAS

18.03 KRS Donald Caldwell Jr., WR88 NE

A-This is the strongest part of my team. Instead of reaching for iffy RBs when it was my turn, I decided to grab #1 WRs in bulk. Steve Smith is gonna see about 300 targets this year without Keyshawn, and we all know what he can do with them. Coles was WR16 in a nonPPR format last year and was probably top 12ish in a PPR. He seems to put up 90 catch seasons with ease. I worry some about the emergence of Cotchery, but Penny likes Coles and has a history with him. Berrian was tearing up the league the first half last year before a rib injury slowed him down. He picked it back up for playoff time though. I'm no fan of Rex Grossman. I think he's an awful QB. What he can do is throw the deep ball, and Berrian is the deep man on that team. A perfect combo.

Eric Parker is an interesting pick. He's a solid possession #2 WR. However, just because Vince Jackson is SUPPOSED to take over as the #1 WR, doesn't mean that he will. He wouldn't be the first young WR to fail when thrust into the spotlight. He is a bit of a goalline vulture though. Either way, I think Parker will put up solid top 40 numbers and be a nice backup to my starting 3. Caldwell was another interesting pick to me. The Patriots have a lot of uncertainty at the WR position right now, which is usually a good source of value. While everyone is drooling over the acquisition of Randy Moss, his recent health has been moved to the back burner. Add to that all the other things that could go wrong with him, and... well you know. Stallworth has never been a picture of health in the league, and I see no reason why this year is any different. Caldwell was the leading receiver for the Pats last year, and could find his way up the depth chart in a hurry, given all the red flags of the guys ahead of him. Even as the #3 or #4 WR he should put up 3-4 big weeks for me given the way the Pats run their offense. That's not bad coming out of the 6 hole.

Of course... each year I've played in survivor, I've had a player retire before the season started. While I don't expect him to retire, I do see the possibility of him being cut.

7.14 KRS Randy McMichael, TE11 STL

14.03 KRS Ben Utecht, TE24 IND

BNot bad, not great. Scott Linehan likes his TEs, and Randy moving to the potent Rams offense and getting away from the mess in Miami isn't a bad thing. Top 5 potential here, if the TDs fall his way. Indy threw to their TEs about 130 times last year. Utecht and Clark split most of that down the middle. Clark is another guy that has never been healthy in his career, and Utecht taking over as the main TE target in Indy is not a bad thing.

15.14 KRS Jason Hanson, K19 DET

17.14 KRS Kris Brown, K27 HOU

They're kickers, who cares? Hanson has good 50+ range, plays in a dome for 9 games and is on an offense trying to mold itself into the Martz image. Kris Brown is eh, but he can make the long ones. On an anemic offense like the Texans, he'll get some opportunities to kick when other teams would be able to punch it in for the TD.

13.14 KRS Minnesota D/ST13

16.03 KRS New York Giants, D/ST23

Minnesota was a monster for me last year. We'll see what they can do. NYG is usually pretty solid, they just need to stay healthy.

 

[JohnDoe]

5.13 John Doe Eli Manning, QB10 NYG

8.04 John Doe Chad Pennington, QB20 NYJ

I took two decent QBs who should be solid contributors this year. Nothing spectacular, but both have potential to post good production each week. Pennington has the potential to outperform his draft position, while Manning should fall somewhere around QB15 when all is said and done. Went QB early due to the QBs falling off the board at the time and I did not want to get stuck with a major question mark at the position.

1.13 John Doe Travis Henry, RB13 DEN

3.13 John Doe Jamal Lewis, RB24 CLE

6.04 John Doe Fred Taylor, RB37 JAX

11.13 John Doe Sammy Morris, RB53 NE

Again, nothing spectacular at the position. Henry, if he can learn the system, has potential to be a good RB1 this year. Lewis and Taylor will probably split carries on their respective teams and Morris is the real head scratcher. My reasoning for Morris was simple, I wanted a RB4 and was worried that with the news about Maroney's shoulder that someone would take him. In looking at NEs RB carry distribution over the past three years I saw where even the RB2 and sometimes RB3 would get a few carries each game. Therefore, IF he makes the team he should see some production. But in hindsight it was a panic pick and I would have been better served to wait about 4-5 rounds to take him. I will agree with everyone that it was a major reach. Another problem with this crew is that they will not see a lot of receptions, which will hurt their value some.

2.04 John Doe Reggie Wayne, WR3 IND

4.04 John Doe Mark Clayton, WR21 BAL

9.13 John Doe Troy Williamson, WR53 MIN

12.04 John Doe Patrick Crayton, WR69 DAL

13.13 John Doe Robert Meacham, WR78 NO

18.04 John Doe Doug Gabriel, WR89 OAK

Wayne is the class of this group. I think that I was better served by going WR in round 2 rather than taking a lower tier RB. I don't remember who I would have taken at RB, or which WR were available in round 3, but I am happy with the pick. Clayton took over as the WR 1 in Baltimore last year and should post solid numbers again. Williamson has issues and will be boom or bust. Crayton should see time in Dallas. Meacham just has to lose weight, get his ankle healed, and beat out Henderson/Copper for the WR2 slot in New Orleans. We will see what happens. Gabriel was just a shot in the dark. I do expect Oakland's passing numbers to improve this year (they have nowhere to go but up).

7.13 John Doe Ben Watson, TE10 NE

14.04 John Doe David Martin, TE25 MIA

Again, nothing spectacular, but should be a good group. NE does tend to spread the ball around, but the addition of Moss and Stallworth will probably cause a slight reduction in targets to Watson. Martin seems to be the best option in Miami and should outperform his draft position.

15.13 John Doe Rian Lindell, K18 BUF

16.04 John Doe Mike Nugent, K20 NYJ

10.04 John Doe San Diego D/ST3

17.13 John Doe Tennessee, D/ST30

Kickers do not share a BYE and neither do the D/ST. This group seems like an average group that will probably tread water. I would rate this as a middle of the pack group.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I so knew this was coming which makes it even funnier.

Translation - I've been blindsided by a solid argument and I have no response.

a) 21-29% v. 17-25%. - Wow, that is the difference between super better and ho-hum.

Translation - I'll try and put more words in Jeff's mouth to make me look less foolish.

b) ppr moves the rest of the players at other positions too, albeit by varying amounts.Your current rankings reflect five WR better than Gates and seventeen better than Crumpler. Using last year's ppg TE1 = 9.15, TE2 = 8.0, WR5 = 11.62, WR17 = 9.29. On a % basis WR17 output is 79.9% of WR5 while TE2 output is 87.4% of TE1.Continue to spin it however you like, but your rankings don't back up your statements made throughout this thread.

Translation - I see now that I was wrong and I don't have a better response, so I'll try and change the argument.I'm done with you BNB - good luck with your 4 QBs trying to stick to the wall.

 

[Pictus Cat]

5.13 John Doe Eli Manning, QB10 NYG

8.04 John Doe Chad Pennington, QB20 NYJ

I took two decent QBs who should be solid contributors this year. Nothing spectacular, but both have potential to post good production each week. Pennington has the potential to outperform his draft position, while Manning should fall somewhere around QB15 when all is said and done. Went QB early due to the QBs falling off the board at the time and I did not want to get stuck with a major question mark at the position.

1.13 John Doe Travis Henry, RB13 DEN

3.13 John Doe Jamal Lewis, RB24 CLE

6.04 John Doe Fred Taylor, RB37 JAX

11.13 John Doe Sammy Morris, RB53 NE

Again, nothing spectacular at the position. Henry, if he can learn the system, has potential to be a good RB1 this year. Lewis and Taylor will probably split carries on their respective teams and Morris is the real head scratcher. My reasoning for Morris was simple, I wanted a RB4 and was worried that with the news about Maroney's shoulder that someone would take him. In looking at NEs RB carry distribution over the past three years I saw where even the RB2 and sometimes RB3 would get a few carries each game. Therefore, IF he makes the team he should see some production. But in hindsight it was a panic pick and I would have been better served to wait about 4-5 rounds to take him. I will agree with everyone that it was a major reach. Another problem with this crew is that they will not see a lot of receptions, which will hurt their value some.

2.04 John Doe Reggie Wayne, WR3 IND

Wayne is the class of this group. I think that I was better served by going WR in round 2 rather than taking a lower tier RB. I don't remember who I would have taken at RB, or which WR were available in round 3, but I am happy with the pick. Clayton took over as the WR 1 in Baltimore last year and should post solid numbers again. Williamson has issues and will be boom or bust. Crayton should see time in Dallas. Meacham just has to lose weight, get his ankle healed, and beat out Henderson/Copper for the WR2 slot in New Orleans. We will see what happens. Gabriel was just a shot in the dark. I do expect Oakland's passing numbers to improve this year (they have nowhere to go but up).

7.13 John Doe Ben Watson, TE10 NE

14.04 John Doe David Martin, TE25 MIA

Again, nothing spectacular, but should be a good group. NE does tend to spread the ball around, but the addition of Moss and Stallworth will probably cause a slight reduction in targets to Watson. Martin seems to be the best option in Miami and should outperform his draft position.

15.13 John Doe Rian Lindell, K18 BUF

16.04 John Doe Mike Nugent, K20 NYJ

10.04 John Doe San Diego D/ST3

17.13 John Doe Tennessee, D/ST30

Kickers do not share a BYE and neither do the D/ST. This group seems like an average group that will probably tread water. I would rate this as a middle of the pack group.

I really liked the Gabriel & Martin picks. They have a good chance to contribute and were on my list of late round options.

QB & RB seem to be average to above average in value.

WR 2 & 3 seems risky part of this team. But there are five to come up with 2 spots every week.

4.04 John Doe Mark Clayton, WR21 BAL

9.13 John Doe Troy Williamson, WR53 MIN

12.04 John Doe Patrick Crayton, WR69 DAL

13.13 John Doe Robert Meacham, WR78 NO

18.04 John Doe Doug Gabriel, WR89 OAK

 

[Thom Yorke]

Please rate my squad...I'll post my own review shortly.

6.15 Thome Yorke Brett Farve, QB167.02 Thome Yorke Ben Roethlisberger, QB17 PIT

QB combo is solid considering they are 16th and 17th QBs taken. I like the potential of Pitt's passing offense and Favre always puts up good numbers. B-

1.02 Thome Yorke Steven Jackson, RB2 STL

2.15 Thome Yorke Deuce McAllister, RB21 NO

16.15 Thome Yorke Correll Buckhalter, RB57 PHI

17.02 Thome Yorke Michael Bennett, RB58 KC

SJax should continue to produce in the PPR format, but I'm shying away from Deuce this year and can see Bush taking more and more away from him. Buckhalter and Bennett will be lucky to put up a ouple of points per week. Another team that may have benefited from grabbing a RB likes Rhodes in rounds 8-10. I'm struggling with this ranking because it deserves a C- but I'll go with a B- because I am extremely high on Jackson this year.

3.02 Thome Yorke Roy Williams, WR10 DET

5.02 Thome Yorke Joey Galloway, WR25 TB

8.15 Thome Yorke Derrick Mason, WR45 BAL

9.02 Thome Yorke Eddie Kennison, WR46 KC

10.15 Thome Yorke Joe Jurevicius, WR61 CLE

Four aging vets and Roy Williams. Hopefully Roy can continue to put up solid numbers each week because it will be hard to count on two of those four each week to keep you out of trouble as all are on the downside of their careers. Maybe I'm being a little hard on them because I'm pretty sure I've been saying this about Galloway and Kennison for two years and they keep proving me wrong. C+

4.15 Thome Yorke Jeremy Shockey, TE4 NYG

11.02 Thome Yorke Daniel Graham, TE17 DEN

Shockey should continue to improve and, if healthy, should produce excellent numbers. I keep waiting for him to implode due to his intensity but it hrd to factor that into a grade. Graham is a sneaky pick and will be a steady producer especially with the uncertainty with Scheffler's foot injury. B+

14.15 Thome Yorke Olindo Mare, K10 NO

15.02 Thome Yorke John Kasay, K12 CAR

I like this duo. Mare could resurrect his career in NO. B+

13.02 Thome Yorke Denver, D/ST11

12.15 Thome Yorke Philadelphia D/ST9

D/ST are both in the upper tier in this format. A-

There are some limitations with this team up front at RB and WR but your depth at QB, TE, K and D/ST may pull your a__ out of the fire on more than one week and it should compete.

Thanks for the review. However, if I can contribute one thing to all the great players that participate in these drafts, it is this: As a Saints homer, I promise you that, barring injury, Deuce will match, or even outperform, his 2006 stats.To wit:1. While I do expect Bush to take a few more carries this season, I also firmly expect the Saints to run the ball even more than they did last year. A moderately improved defense will help the Saints get ahead earlier and more consistently, creating opportunities for Deuce to pound defenses in the second half.

2. Deuce was only one year removed from ACL surgery last year, and still put up the numbers he did. He should be in better physical shape this year, leading to even more production.

3. Deuce became more of a workhorse down the stretch last season, EVEN AS REGGIE BUSH IMPROVED. He had twenty-plus carries in 5 of his last 7 games, including a monster 21 carry, 143 yard, 2 total TD performance against Philly in the playoffs. Furthermore, Sean Payton has openly lamented his failure to get Deuce involved against Chicago.

I'm telling you guys -- go get Deuce this year. He represents excellent value.

 

[BassNBrew]

I so knew this was coming which makes it even funnier.

Translation - I've been blindsided by a solid argument and I have no response.

a) 21-29% v. 17-25%. - Wow, that is the difference between super better and ho-hum.

Translation - I'll try and put more words in Jeff's mouth to make me look less foolish.

b) ppr moves the rest of the players at other positions too, albeit by varying amounts.Your current rankings reflect five WR better than Gates and seventeen better than Crumpler. Using last year's ppg TE1 = 9.15, TE2 = 8.0, WR5 = 11.62, WR17 = 9.29. On a % basis WR17 output is 79.9% of WR5 while TE2 output is 87.4% of TE1.Continue to spin it however you like, but your rankings don't back up your statements made throughout this thread.

Translation - I see now that I was wrong and I don't have a better response, so I'll try and change the argument.I'm done with you BNB - good luck with your 4 QBs trying to stick to the wall.

Translation - I've been oVVned again by Bass and I'd rather not open the can of worms otherwise known as my "expert" rankings and expose how foolish they make me look. Since I like you Jeff, I won't bring it up when you pull out the next napkin and adjust your rankings.

 

[Fiddles]

Please rate my squad...I'll post my own review shortly.

6.15 Thome Yorke Brett Farve, QB167.02 Thome Yorke Ben Roethlisberger, QB17 PIT

QB combo is solid considering they are 16th and 17th QBs taken. I like the potential of Pitt's passing offense and Favre always puts up good numbers. B-

1.02 Thome Yorke Steven Jackson, RB2 STL

2.15 Thome Yorke Deuce McAllister, RB21 NO

16.15 Thome Yorke Correll Buckhalter, RB57 PHI

17.02 Thome Yorke Michael Bennett, RB58 KC

SJax should continue to produce in the PPR format, but I'm shying away from Deuce this year and can see Bush taking more and more away from him. Buckhalter and Bennett will be lucky to put up a ouple of points per week. Another team that may have benefited from grabbing a RB likes Rhodes in rounds 8-10. I'm struggling with this ranking because it deserves a C- but I'll go with a B- because I am extremely high on Jackson this year.

3.02 Thome Yorke Roy Williams, WR10 DET

5.02 Thome Yorke Joey Galloway, WR25 TB

8.15 Thome Yorke Derrick Mason, WR45 BAL

9.02 Thome Yorke Eddie Kennison, WR46 KC

10.15 Thome Yorke Joe Jurevicius, WR61 CLE

Four aging vets and Roy Williams. Hopefully Roy can continue to put up solid numbers each week because it will be hard to count on two of those four each week to keep you out of trouble as all are on the downside of their careers. Maybe I'm being a little hard on them because I'm pretty sure I've been saying this about Galloway and Kennison for two years and they keep proving me wrong. C+

4.15 Thome Yorke Jeremy Shockey, TE4 NYG

11.02 Thome Yorke Daniel Graham, TE17 DEN

Shockey should continue to improve and, if healthy, should produce excellent numbers. I keep waiting for him to implode due to his intensity but it hrd to factor that into a grade. Graham is a sneaky pick and will be a steady producer especially with the uncertainty with Scheffler's foot injury. B+

14.15 Thome Yorke Olindo Mare, K10 NO

15.02 Thome Yorke John Kasay, K12 CAR

I like this duo. Mare could resurrect his career in NO. B+

13.02 Thome Yorke Denver, D/ST11

12.15 Thome Yorke Philadelphia D/ST9

D/ST are both in the upper tier in this format. A-

There are some limitations with this team up front at RB and WR but your depth at QB, TE, K and D/ST may pull your a__ out of the fire on more than one week and it should compete.

Thanks for the review. However, if I can contribute one thing to all the great players that participate in these drafts, it is this: As a Saints homer, I promise you that, barring injury, Deuce will match, or even outperform, his 2006 stats.To wit:1. While I do expect Bush to take a few more carries this season, I also firmly expect the Saints to run the ball even more than they did last year. A moderately improved defense will help the Saints get ahead earlier and more consistently, creating opportunities for Deuce to pound defenses in the second half.

2. Deuce was only one year removed from ACL surgery last year, and still put up the numbers he did. He should be in better physical shape this year, leading to even more production.

3. Deuce became more of a workhorse down the stretch last season, EVEN AS REGGIE BUSH IMPROVED. He had twenty-plus carries in 5 of his last 7 games, including a monster 21 carry, 143 yard, 2 total TD performance against Philly in the playoffs. Furthermore, Sean Payton has openly lamented his failure to get Deuce involved against Chicago.

I'm telling you guys -- go get Deuce this year. He represents excellent value.

after shying away from him last year I am not repeating my mistake this yeargrabbing him every chance I get

glad to hear your viewpoint

 

[Perry Van Hook]

I must say that one of the most useful parts of these drafts is the opportunity to see differring views on players, drafting and strategy in your own and different SSLs and MBSLs.

That is aside from BnB vs JP - which admittedly is hugely entertaining although we could save you both a lot of time and have someone on the least coast visit both and just measure off

 

[AB in DC]

EBF - I see Jones as a below average RB1, Lynch as an average RB2, and Booker as a way below average RB3. I think he was a reach there, and won't be much better than the RBs drafted in rounds 17-18.I think you'd have been better off with Pittman/Rhodes/Henry in round 10 to shore up that position, then drafted WR at 11.15 instead of Troupe. With Heap, you could have waited longer for your TE2 -- maybe skipped it entirely, depending on where the value fell.

We'll see. I have Thomas Jones rated higher than most. And I think Booker has a real chance to pile up some catches. He won't be a stud, but a top 45 RB is a viable RB3 in this format.

Viable, yes, but you don't win by having viable players. You win with above-average players.I actually like the Jones pick, compared to other RBs you had available, but there are still a dozen better RBs. That's the downsize of the 15 spot, but it just means you need to take advantage of opportunities to improve your depth at RB. I don't think you did that. Lynch and Booker are both mysteries -- we have no idea what kind of talent they can show in a rookie year, and no idea how much opportunity they'll have. This is a situation where you needed either a more reliable RB3, or a decent RB4 for insurance, or both.Heap will give you a few more points than most teams, but I don't think it will be enough to offset your RB problems.

 

[Chaz]

5.13 John Doe Eli Manning, QB10 NYG

8.04 John Doe Chad Pennington, QB20 NYJ

1.13 John Doe Travis Henry, RB13 DEN

3.13 John Doe Jamal Lewis, RB24 CLE

6.04 John Doe Fred Taylor, RB37 JAX

11.13 John Doe Sammy Morris, RB53 NE

2.04 John Doe Reggie Wayne, WR3 IND

4.04 John Doe Mark Clayton, WR21 BAL

9.13 John Doe Troy Williamson, WR53 MIN

12.04 John Doe Patrick Crayton, WR69 DAL

13.13 John Doe Robert Meacham, WR78 NO

18.04 John Doe Doug Gabriel, WR89 OAK

7.13 John Doe Ben Watson, TE10 NE

14.04 John Doe David Martin, TE25 MIA

15.13 John Doe Rian Lindell, K18 BUF

16.04 John Doe Mike Nugent, K20 NYJ

10.04 John Doe San Diego D/ST3

17.13 John Doe Tennessee, D/ST30

I decided to return the favor to John Doe, who was kind enough to analyze my team in SSLI.

QB: Suprisingly good for one of those who wait on the position. Looks like he jumped right into a QB run to get Eli, then waited just long enough to snag Chad. Nothing to write home about, but worked out ok given when they were taken.

RB: Obviously a believer in Henry in Denver. Also hopeful in Lewis getting something going in Cleveland. Also thinking that Taylor will be able to compete with MJD for carries and Morris will benefit from Maroney bumps and bruises. Not too enamoured with this group. For one, I have MJD and Maroney, who I am counting on (foolishly?) to carry my team. That puts me against RBs 3 and 4. I also get nervous about the Denver RB, never certain on who it will be. In my mind, a safer way to go might have been to take MJD at 13, then handcuff with Taylor later.

WR: Six of em and all seem to be in a good position to add production. Nice job here.

TE: Counting on Ben Watson may be risky, as NE has a couple of additional targets.

K: For someone who waited, did very well.

D: Nothing that stands out either way.

Overall, a nice job here. Probably better than I did from the same position. Not many gambles and the waiting for certain position didn't seem to hurt too much. Hopefully, only having 4 RBs won't be a problem.

 

[Chaz]

11.16 BnB Trent Green, QB30 KC12.01 BnB Damon Haurd, QB31 KC17.16 BnB Brodie Croyle, QB35 KC18.01 BnB Dante Culpepper, QB36 MIA2.01 BnB Cedric Benson, RB16 CHI3.16 BnB Adrian Peterson, RB26 MIN10.01 BnB Michael Turner RB46 SD6.01 BnB J. Jones, RB 35 DAL4.01 BnB Plaxico Burress, WR20 NYG 5.16 BnB Jerricho Cotchery, WR29 NYJ 7.16 BnB Greg Jennings, WR38 GB8.01 BnB Kevin Curtis, WR39 PHI13.16 BnB D. Williams, WR80 BAL15.16 BnB Kevin Walter, WR83 HOU1.16 BnB Antonio Gates, TE1 SD14.01 BnBJason Elam, K3 DEN9.16 BnB Baltimore D/ST216.01 BnB Washington, D\ST21

Overall very happy with the outcome. My QB situation is up in the air, but I should have two starters most weeks and protection in case of injury. Obviously I'll be giving up points to most of the field here. Miami and KC team QBs combined for 277 pts last year which put them around the Kitna range. Really anything should be and improvement over Harrington and the KC QBs should have benefit from the additional reps. Absolutely loaded at RB. If LT goes down then look out. Benson will get the majority of the work in Chicago and Jones/AD will make a potent RB2. I really don't know what to make of my WRs. Jennings and Curtis will be the key to the corps, however I expect a lot of weekly variation from them. Hoping Walters sticks in Houston and provides a weekly number. Can Williams overtake Mason? May need an injury for him to contribute. Gates is obviously tops in the league, no sense drafting a second. The only way anyone else would have contributed was if Gates went down which would likely doom this team anyway. Considered a second kicker but they never do anything for me as their scores never match up well for me. I might be giving up 4-6 points on occasion, but having the QB position locked down seemed like the smarter move. Balt/Wash will be in the top quarter of the pairings in this league.

My draft in SSLI certainly is open to questioning, but a couple of things here I don't get.1. QB is "up in the air" and will be "giving up points to most of the field." There are FOUR of them! Seems that a strategy backfired at some point as most teams with 2-3 QBs don't have that situation. Was there someone you targeted earlier that you just missed on?2. "Absolutely loaded" at RB. Benson may be the starter, but don't some questions surround him? AD is a rookie. Nothing against rookies, but it may be too early to count on him weekly. JJ still has Barber to contend with. Turner is a backup. Sure, he could be the starter at some point, or even get some nice points in the 4th, but he's still a backup.All of this said, I am kind of envious of being ballsy enough to carry one TE and one K. Hopefully it works out for you. You are right about the Gates or bust strategy.I will also say that I know enough about these things to know that I know that none of us knows what will happen.

 

[BassNBrew]

11.16 BnB Trent Green, QB30 KC12.01 BnB Damon Haurd, QB31 KC17.16 BnB Brodie Croyle, QB35 KC18.01 BnB Dante Culpepper, QB36 MIA2.01 BnB Cedric Benson, RB16 CHI3.16 BnB Adrian Peterson, RB26 MIN10.01 BnB Michael Turner RB46 SD6.01 BnB J. Jones, RB 35 DAL4.01 BnB Plaxico Burress, WR20 NYG 5.16 BnB Jerricho Cotchery, WR29 NYJ 7.16 BnB Greg Jennings, WR38 GB8.01 BnB Kevin Curtis, WR39 PHI13.16 BnB D. Williams, WR80 BAL15.16 BnB Kevin Walter, WR83 HOU1.16 BnB Antonio Gates, TE1 SD14.01 BnBJason Elam, K3 DEN9.16 BnB Baltimore D/ST216.01 BnB Washington, D\ST21

Overall very happy with the outcome. My QB situation is up in the air, but I should have two starters most weeks and protection in case of injury. Obviously I'll be giving up points to most of the field here. Miami and KC team QBs combined for 277 pts last year which put them around the Kitna range. Really anything should be and improvement over Harrington and the KC QBs should have benefit from the additional reps. Absolutely loaded at RB. If LT goes down then look out. Benson will get the majority of the work in Chicago and Jones/AD will make a potent RB2. I really don't know what to make of my WRs. Jennings and Curtis will be the key to the corps, however I expect a lot of weekly variation from them. Hoping Walters sticks in Houston and provides a weekly number. Can Williams overtake Mason? May need an injury for him to contribute. Gates is obviously tops in the league, no sense drafting a second. The only way anyone else would have contributed was if Gates went down which would likely doom this team anyway. Considered a second kicker but they never do anything for me as their scores never match up well for me. I might be giving up 4-6 points on occasion, but having the QB position locked down seemed like the smarter move. Balt/Wash will be in the top quarter of the pairings in this league.

My draft in SSLI certainly is open to questioning, but a couple of things here I don't get.1. QB is "up in the air" and will be "giving up points to most of the field." There are FOUR of them! Seems that a strategy backfired at some point as most teams with 2-3 QBs don't have that situation. Was there someone you targeted earlier that you just missed on?2. "Absolutely loaded" at RB. Benson may be the starter, but don't some questions surround him? AD is a rookie. Nothing against rookies, but it may be too early to count on him weekly. JJ still has Barber to contend with. Turner is a backup. Sure, he could be the starter at some point, or even get some nice points in the 4th, but he's still a backup.All of this said, I am kind of envious of being ballsy enough to carry one TE and one K. Hopefully it works out for you. You are right about the Gates or bust strategy.I will also say that I know enough about these things to know that I know that none of us knows what will happen.

Last year Miami and KC team QBs finished 22nd and 26th. Combined they would have finished around 10th. Of course that means I'm severely lagging most of the other teams and the price to pay for drafting Gates. That said, I see 06 as a floor for both teams. If and when Green gets to Miami, I think he'll do well with Chambers/Booker/Hagen/Booker/Ginn. Who knows about C-Pep, but if he's playing this year he'll be producing. More pre-season reps should help either Croyle or Haurd.Now getting to your question. I considered Brees strongly at the 3/4 turn. Couldn't justify it with Burress on the board and AD's upside. Would have had to sacrifice Burress for Brees. I looked hard at Brees' game logs and suspect that he's being overvalued based on that tear he went on in the middle of the season. The more I thought about Bush and Duece, the less I saw a string of huge yardage games via air.At the 5/6 turn I would have taken either Manning or Hass, but both went shortly before. I saw a bunch of QBs that I liked left, specifically Delhomme and Smith who I thought could make it to the next turn. Rather than reach, I decide to add Crochery recpt to the mix and Jones as a solid RB3. At this time I was begin to think that a QBBC approach with KC/Miami/Clev/Oak would be an option. With the Jones pick I had initially planned to only have 3 RBs and used an extra spot at QB.Well the 7/8 turn came and Smith was selected. I saw a bunch of QBs while being clear cut starters, wouldn't post better numbers that the QBBCs that would be left late. Jennings and Curtis has slid IMO and looked very attractive with Favre and McNabb throwing to them.9/10 came and I decide to roll the dice and hope. Turner has too much upside and can win this league for me if LT missed time. Baltimore puts me a leg up on most of the league. Only Garcia was taken in the next 32 picks so this turned out to be the proper play.Drafting out of the 16 hole puts you in a big hole to begin with. My approach was to take risks, draft the best talent avialable in order to compete. I could have play it conservatively and just leaked points to the front in of the draft order the entire time hoping for an 8th place finish, but I decided to make a play for the title.

 

[Chaz]

That makes more sense now, Bass. Not many drafters go into this thing looking to corner the market on mediocre QBs

 

[tex]

4.16 Tex Vince Young, QB8 TEN

8.16 Tex Josh McCown, QB26 OAK

1.01 Tex LaDanian Tomlinson, RB1 SDG

2.16 Tex Carnell Williams, RB22 TB

11.01 Tex Anthony Thomas, RB50 BUF

13.01 Tex Kevan Barlow, RB56 PIT

3.01 Tex Anquan Boldin, WR9 ARZ

5.01 Tex Santana Moss, WR24 TB

7.01 Tex Vincent Jackson, WR34 SD

10.16 Tex Peerless Price, WR62 BUF

18.16 Tex Roddy White, WR94 ATL

6.16 Tex Jason Witten, TE9

9.01 Tex Eric Johnson, TE14 NO

17.01 Tex Zach Miller, TE28 OAK

14.16 Tex Joe Nedney, K11 SF

16.16 Tex Phil Dawson, K24 CLE

12.16 Tex Dallas D/ST10

15.01 Tex Oakland, D/ST15

First I'll comment on the McCown pick. IMO he will be the starter in Oakland for at least the 1st half of the season. Will he put up great #'s? Probably not, but the only other QB left to me at that point that I considered was Leftwich and he has the same bye as VY. I did not want a certain 0 at the QB position on that week. May end up as a bad move but I'll stand by it and would do it again. I had planned on taking Russell later but he went before I could get him.

I like my RB duo of LT and Caddy, and I'm quite sure Thomas will get a few carries per game. Barlow was just a late pick to grab a 4th RB who could get a few points here and there.

I think Boldin, Moss, and VJ will serve me well at WR, and even though some don't like the Price pick, he is the #2 in Buffalo and he should be back in his element since he's not a #1 target anymore.

1 really good TE in Witten and EJ could be another very good one if he returns to his form of a couple years ago.

2 decent kickers and 2 very good defenses.

If McCown starts for at least the 1st half like I think, and VY avoids the Madden curse, I think I'll be around for awhile.

Waiting for other opinions

 

[BassNBrew]

4.16 Tex Vince Young, QB8 TEN8.16 Tex Josh McCown, QB26 OAK1.01 Tex LaDanian Tomlinson, RB1 SDG2.16 Tex Carnell Williams, RB22 TB11.01 Tex Anthony Thomas, RB50 BUF13.01 Tex Kevan Barlow, RB56 PIT3.01 Tex Anquan Boldin, WR9 ARZ5.01 Tex Santana Moss, WR24 TB7.01 Tex Vincent Jackson, WR34 SD10.16 Tex Peerless Price, WR62 BUF18.16 Tex Roddy White, WR94 ATL6.16 Tex Jason Witten, TE99.01 Tex Eric Johnson, TE14 NO17.01 Tex Zach Miller, TE28 OAK14.16 Tex Joe Nedney, K11 SF16.16 Tex Phil Dawson, K24 CLE12.16 Tex Dallas D/ST1015.01 Tex Oakland, D/ST15First I'll comment on the McCown pick. IMO he will be the starter in Oakland for at least the 1st half of the season. Will he put up great #'s? Probably not, but the only other QB left to me at that point that I considered was Leftwich and he has the same bye as VY. I did not want a certain 0 at the QB position on that week. May end up as a bad move but I'll stand by it and would do it again. I had planned on taking Russell later but he went before I could get him.I like my RB duo of LT and Caddy, and I'm quite sure Thomas will get a few carries per game. Barlow was just a late pick to grab a 4th RB who could get a few points here and there. I think Boldin, Moss, and VJ will serve me well at WR, and even though some don't like the Price pick, he is the #2 in Buffalo and he should be back in his element since he's not a #1 target anymore.1 really good TE in Witten and EJ could be another very good one if he returns to his form of a couple years ago.2 decent kickers and 2 very good defenses.If McCown starts for at least the 1st half like I think, and VY avoids the Madden curse, I think I'll be around for awhile.Waiting for other opinions

Really not sure that McCown would have been drafted, much less that early. Even for a guy like me who didn't draft his 1st QB until rd 11, he was still behind 6 other QBs. He went undrafted in ssl1 and ssl3 and the guy in ssl4 that took him waited until the 12/13 turn to pair him with Russell. Not saying that he's a bad selection, just that you could have taken him much later and had a better team as a result.

 

[glumpy]

Heeeeeeee's Baaaaackkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!

Great vacation--though it's tough seeing the changes in my old stomping grounds. Seems like everyone wants to head down to the coast, and then they overdevelop and destroy the things that actually appealed to them in the first place. :(

:disclaimer: I'm not a city guy, and way beyond the scale of partying in my youth....

So...here goes:

4.13 Glumpy Jon Kitna, QB7 DET

5.04 Glumpy Tony Romo, QB9 DAL

6.13 Glumpy Jake Delhomme, QB14

Great combo of QB's I think.

Terrible drafting to take them all so early....

That put me behind the eightball for the rest of the draft....I do tend to take one relatively early, but in all three cases (particularly the third when I was looking at TE) it was the last choice of several who had been taken off the board soon before my own pick came up. I hope taking the third hurts other teams as much as it put me into a bind.

1.04 Glumpy Reggie Bush, RB4 NO

2.13 Glumpy Ronnie Brown, RB20 MIA

7.04 Glumpy Mike Bell, RB40 DEN

They might work. Too few.

3.04 Glumpy Randy Moss, WR12 NE

8.13 Glumpy Drew Bennett, WR44 STL

9.04 Glumpy Mike Furrey, WR48 DET

10.13 Glumpy Bryant Johnson, WR59 ARZ

13.04 Glumpy Dwayne Jarrett, WR74 CAR

15.04 Glumpy Steve Smith, WR82 NYG

18.13 Glumpy Brad Smith, WR92, NYJ

They might work, if quantity can make up for lack of quality. Moss is a dice roll this year.

16.13 Glumpy Alex Smith, TE27 TB

17.04 Glumpy George Wrighster, TE28 JAX

lol

14.13 Glumpy Josh Scobee, K9 JAX

Back to the wall here; it's an early bye and hopefully he'll match 2006 production.

11.04 Glumpy Carolina D/ST5

12.13 Glumpy Pittsburgh D/ST8

Coupla good ones.

 

[BassNBrew]

11.16 BnB Trent Green, QB30 KC12.01 BnB Damon Haurd, QB31 KC17.16 BnB Brodie Croyle, QB35 KC18.01 BnB Dante Culpepper, QB36 MIA2.01 BnB Cedric Benson, RB16 CHI3.16 BnB Adrian Peterson, RB26 MIN10.01 BnB Michael Turner RB46 SD6.01 BnB J. Jones, RB 35 DAL4.01 BnB Plaxico Burress, WR20 NYG 5.16 BnB Jerricho Cotchery, WR29 NYJ 7.16 BnB Greg Jennings, WR38 GB8.01 BnB Kevin Curtis, WR39 PHI13.16 BnB D. Williams, WR80 BAL15.16 BnB Kevin Walter, WR83 HOU1.16 BnB Antonio Gates, TE1 SD14.01 BnBJason Elam, K3 DEN9.16 BnB Baltimore D/ST216.01 BnB Washington, D\ST21

Hmmm....didn't use any picks in the first 10 rounds and I might have three starting QBs. RBs look adquete and the D/TE is money. WRs will make of break this team.