St Louis Cardinals under FBI Investigation for Hacking (1 Viewer)

[RUSF18]

I know we have a baseball forum but this is too good to stay over there.

WASHINGTON — The F.B.I. and Justice Department prosecutors are investigating whether front­office officials for the St. Louis Cardinals, one of the most successful teams in baseball over the past two decades, hacked into internal networks of a rival team to steal closely guarded information about player personnel.

Investigators have uncovered evidence that Cardinals officials broke into a network of the Houston Astros that housed special databases the team had built, according to law enforcement officials. Internal discussions about trades, proprietary statistics and scouting reports were compromised, the officials said.

The officials did not say which employees were the focus of the investigation or whether the team’s highest­ranking officials were aware of the hacking or authorized it. The investigation is being led by the F.B.I.’s Houston field office and has progressed to the point that subpoenas have been served on the Cardinals and Major League Baseball for electronic correspondence

More here: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/sports/baseball/st-louis-cardinals-hack-astros-fbi.html?smid=tw-bna

 

[MattFancy]

Yeah this doesn't look good at all for them

 

[mr roboto]

If you're gonna hack a teams brain trust, why the Astros?

 

[Parrothead]

if you ain't cheating you ain't trying

 

[Mile High]

Quess that explains why Houston has been one of the worst teams for years.

 

[MattFancy]

Getting their hacks in

 

[jon_mx]

If you're gonna hack a teams brain trust, why the Astros?

It is kind of like Em's stock advise. You do the exact opposite =

 

[johnnycakes]

Ok. Who in the Cardinals organization came from the Patriots?

 

[randall146]

Get out your pitchforks everyone! It's a -gate!!!

 

[avoiding injuries]

The Cardinal Way

 

[mquinnjr]

Cards front office is about to head to "Baseball Heaven" if this is all true.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If you're gonna hack a teams brain trust, why the Astros?

Luhnow is basically responsible for building the Cardinals farm system. Then the Astros hired him to be their GM.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

If you're gonna hack a teams brain trust, why the Astros?

Astros front office has been phenomenal for the past few years,

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

If you're gonna hack a teams brain trust, why the Astros?

The Astros were tanking at the MLB level and putting all their money into scouting and player development. Ton of info about prospects there.

Also, if you get access to other teams' trade discussions, you get a handle on how other teams value their players and prospects.

 

[Jules Winnfield]

They got caught Cardinal red handed

 

[Workhorse]

If this were the NFL, the Cardinals would lose a decade's worth of first round picks, fined $1 billion and John Mozeliak would have his thumbs amputated.

 

[mr roboto]

Well clearly I'm behind the curve on my baseball knowledge.

 

[Jayrod]

Ok. Who in the Cardinals organization came from the Patriots?

LaRussa and Billichick are personal friends.

 

[RUSF18]

This is how the top dogs actually fall...when criminal charges are on the table.

 

[Sinn Fein]

heard the Astros front office guy is a former cardinal employee who had his database off-site, but never changed his password from his Cardinal days. If that is true, probably should fine the Astros, and make them forfeit 25 draft picks.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

If you're gonna hack a teams brain trust, why the Astros?

So when they got caught all they had to say was "ruh-roh".

 

[Workhorse]

LaRussa works for the Diamondbacks.

 

[Ned]

heard the Astros front office guy is a former cardinal employee who had his database off-site, but never changed his password from his Cardinal days. If that is true, probably should fine the Astros, and make them forfeit 25 draft picks.

 

[Parrothead]

heard the Astros front office guy is a former cardinal employee who had his database off-site, but never changed his password from his Cardinal days. If that is true, probably should fine the Astros, and make them forfeit 25 draft picks.

that's a cardinal sin

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

heard the Astros front office guy is a former cardinal employee who had his database off-site, but never changed his password from his Cardinal days. If that is true, probably should fine the Astros, and make them forfeit 25 draft picks.

1-2-3-4-5? That's amazing! I have the same combination on my luggage!

 

[Charlie Steiner]

Busch league move.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Pirates in first place then?

 

[mquinnjr]

Had no idea Kim Jong-Un was into MLB, too.

 

[Swing 51]

If you're gonna hack a teams brain trust, why the Astros?

Astros front office has been phenomenal for the past few years,

And they currently lead the AL West.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

If you're gonna hack a teams brain trust, why the Astros?

Astros front office has been phenomenal for the past few years,

And they currently lead the AL West.

That would make for a good World Series.

 

[Jackstraw]

Busch league move.

:golfclap:

 

[The Big Guy]

heard the Astros front office guy is a former cardinal employee who had his database off-site, but never changed his password from his Cardinal days. If that is true, probably should fine the Astros, and make them forfeit 25 draft picks.

I am not sure that is actually hacking if they knew the guys password.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

I bet this is the same guy putting all the Royals in the All-Star starting lineup, too.

 

[Parrothead]

heard the Astros front office guy is a former cardinal employee who had his database off-site, but never changed his password from his Cardinal days. If that is true, probably should fine the Astros, and make them forfeit 25 draft picks.

I am not sure that is actually hacking if they knew the guys password.

that's the overarching issue

 

[MattFancy]

heard the Astros front office guy is a former cardinal employee who had his database off-site, but never changed his password from his Cardinal days. If that is true, probably should fine the Astros, and make them forfeit 25 draft picks.

I am not sure that is actually hacking if they knew the guys password.

That's a good question to ask. If he left his passwords behind, then are they really hacking?

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

heard the Astros front office guy is a former cardinal employee who had his database off-site, but never changed his password from his Cardinal days. If that is true, probably should fine the Astros, and make them forfeit 25 draft picks.

I am not sure that is actually hacking if they knew the guys password.

That's a good question to ask. If he left his passwords behind, then are they really hacking?

Leaning towards "yes" on this one. Astros are clearly the victim here.

 

[jon_mx]

heard the Astros front office guy is a former cardinal employee who had his database off-site, but never changed his password from his Cardinal days. If that is true, probably should fine the Astros, and make them forfeit 25 draft picks.

I am not sure that is actually hacking if they knew the guys password.

That's a good question to ask. If he left his passwords behind, then are they really hacking?

Just because someone leaves the keys in their car with the doors unlocked in Newark, does not mean everyone has a license to steal it.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

They should really call it peeking instead of hacking.

 

[mquinnjr]

heard the Astros front office guy is a former cardinal employee who had his database off-site, but never changed his password from his Cardinal days. If that is true, probably should fine the Astros, and make them forfeit 25 draft picks.

I am not sure that is actually hacking if they knew the guys password.

That's a good question to ask. If he left his passwords behind, then are they really hacking?

If I leave a $100 bill in plain sight on my desk, does that mean that I am OK with you taking it off my desk? Leaving a $100 bill in plain sight, along with passwords to a DB with uber-sensitive player evaluation information, are both equally stupid. Stupidity != green light.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Yeah... if the FBI proves this I'd think they'll have the full book thrown at them. Banned from post-season, fined, picks -- that kind of stuff.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

They got caught Cardinal red handed

oh dear

heard the Astros front office guy is a former cardinal employee who had his database off-site, but never changed his password from his Cardinal days. If that is true, probably should fine the Astros, and make them forfeit 25 draft picks.

that's a cardinal sin

not bad

 

[Godsbrother]

Yeah... if the FBI proves this I'd think they'll have the full book thrown at them. Banned from post-season, fined, picks -- that kind of stuff.

If true this is very serious. I am not sure that you can ban them from the post season though. That would be unprecedented in American major league sports wouldn't it?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I bet they underinflated the baseballs too.

 

[mquinnjr]

In before this isn't worse than Spygate.

 

[doowain]

Just spitballin' here...

Matheny accidentally replied all with a #### pic to the Astros front office instead of just to one dude....then they hacked into the Astros system to try to retrieve it.

But it was so small they couldn't find it.

Case closed.
Signed,

Reds fan

 

[fantasycurse42]

Glad the FBI is on the case. The brightest and best computer security personnel in the world.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

heard the Astros front office guy is a former cardinal employee who had his database off-site, but never changed his password from his Cardinal days. If that is true, probably should fine the Astros, and make them forfeit 25 draft picks.

1-2-3-4-5? That's amazing! I have the same combination on my luggage!

I shouldn't be but I can't stop laughing at this. Love that scene.

 

[TripItUp]

Dumb question here,

What type of info is in a baseball database that is so critical to winning? Scouting reports?

 

[Dickie Dunn]

Yeah... if the FBI proves this I'd think they'll have the full book thrown at them. Banned from post-season, fined, picks -- that kind of stuff.

If true this is very serious. I am not sure that you can ban them from the post season though. That would be unprecedented in American major league sports wouldn't it?

I'm wondering what kind of penalty there could be that would be even close to what Goodell gave the Patriots.

Docking draft picks isn't necessarily a penalty, because there is no guarantee even a No. 1 pick ever would play for the MLB team. Besides, just go scout more in the Caribbean or Japan.

A huge fine, maybe. But what kind of effect will that really have?

Genuinely curious.

 

[MattFancy]

Dumb question here,

What type of info is in a baseball database that is so critical to winning? Scouting reports?

That's what it sounds like they were after. A few years ago there was a leak of all the info that had scouting reports and trade negotiations.