Start 2 QB with 14 teams? (1 Viewer)

[Daywalker]

We normally have 12 teams.

We start 2 QB. One is a flex where you can start (QB, RB, WR or TE). Normally everyone tries to start 2 QB's obviously.

We limit 3 QB's max on a roster.

League enjoys how the draft plays out with start 2 QB.

We may expand to 14 teams this season.

Is a start 2 QB in a 14-team league going to be a trainwreck? If we go 14 teams I'm thinking of going Team QB.

Any advice? Should we just go with start 1 QB?

 

[Catbird]

I'm in my 30th year in a 16 team superflex league, which creates even more QB scarcity than your 14 teamer would. The superflex helps some, as teams without 2 startable QBs aren't shut out in a starting spot completely, but everyone tries hard to have 2 active QBs to start. This means everyone pretty much has to use a non-QB for bye weeks. QBs go very early, but the scarcity of RBs in a 16 team league makes them extremely valuable as well. Our league isn't PPR, but that might help offset the devaluation of WRs, where there is less scarcity. Its a great league - different than any other I play in and my only re-draft, but 30 good years says something.

I like that none of the fantasy information you can get addresses our circumstance - so you have to think and figure for yourself a little more. I've never seen an article on 16 team superflex strategy. But people will learn to get their QBs, and good other players are so scarce no one can usually afford to take a third QB before the starters are all gone (usually by the late 5th or early 6th), pretty much leaving everyone with 2. Occasionally teams do well with only 1 QB, but those usually trade for a 2nd before the deadline. Can't wait for our draft!

 

[Daywalker]

If we went 2 QB with 14 teams I'd probably do Team QB and max 2 per roster.

It's a solid league but moreso an average league then sharks. Don't want teams shutout on a 2nd QB.

Going 2 QB is like going auction. Once you do it the only way. Unfortunately hard to get everyone in one place to do a seamless auction.

 

[Gawain]

If we went 2 QB with 14 teams I'd probably do Team QB and max 2 per roster.

It's a solid league but moreso an average league then sharks. Don't want teams shutout on a 2nd QB.

Going 2 QB is like going auction. Once you do it the only way. Unfortunately hard to get everyone in one place to do a seamless auction.

Awful.

If you're going for the complexity of a Super-flex league, why dumb it down?

You remove a ton of the strategy around what a good back-up is worth.

It sounds like everyone, with the possible exception of the two expansion members, already understand the value of QBs.

Why restrict this part of the league? It's not like QB 24 is that much better than QB 28. Also, you'll see way more than 32 starting QBs during the year. Half the fun in a league like this is getting the bum who gets a few spot starts and explodes. (Billy Volek anyone?)

 

[The Hank]

If we went 2 QB with 14 teams I'd probably do Team QB and max 2 per roster.

It's a solid league but moreso an average league then sharks. Don't want teams shutout on a 2nd QB.

Going 2 QB is like going auction. Once you do it the only way. Unfortunately hard to get everyone in one place to do a seamless auction.

Awful.

If you're going for the complexity of a Super-flex league, why dumb it down?

You remove a ton of the strategy around what a good back-up is worth.

It sounds like everyone, with the possible exception of the two expansion members, already understand the value of QBs.

Why restrict this part of the league? It's not like QB 24 is that much better than QB 28. Also, you'll see way more than 32 starting QBs during the year. Half the fun in a league like this is getting the bum who gets a few spot starts and explodes. (Billy Volek anyone?)

This.

I've been in a 16 team league, 1 start Qb with a Wildcard that could be any position (most people choose QB). QBs get selected hot and heavy the first 4 rounds, especially in Round 1 - we are actually downgrading to a 14 team league and I'm excited that I do not have to be shackled with 2 QB's with my first 2 rounds in fear of being stuck with only 1.

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

If we went 2 QB with 14 teams I'd probably do Team QB and max 2 per roster.

It's a solid league but moreso an average league then sharks. Don't want teams shutout on a 2nd QB.

Going 2 QB is like going auction. Once you do it the only way. Unfortunately hard to get everyone in one place to do a seamless auction.

In the OP's case, I feel like he needs to do both.

I've said this before on this board: I would never join or stay in a 2QB league of 12+ teams that used a snake draft, unless the QB scoring was hugely devalued relative to standard leagues.

Because with typical QB scoring, the difference in VBD between QB1 and QB12 is so big, and so predictable, that a huge part of your team's success comes down to the randomness of draft position. And as better-than-average FF owners we should be seeking to minimize the role of luck in our leagues, not maximize it.

 

[Arodin]

If we went 2 QB with 14 teams I'd probably do Team QB and max 2 per roster.

It's a solid league but moreso an average league then sharks. Don't want teams shutout on a 2nd QB.

Going 2 QB is like going auction. Once you do it the only way. Unfortunately hard to get everyone in one place to do a seamless auction.

In the OP's case, I feel like he needs to do both.

I've said this before on this board: I would never join or stay in a 2QB league of 12+ teams that used a snake draft, unless the QB scoring was hugely devalued relative to standard leagues.

Because with typical QB scoring, the difference in VBD between QB1 and QB12 is so big, and so predictable, that a huge part of your team's success comes down to the randomness of draft position. And as better-than-average FF owners we should be seeking to minimize the role of luck in our leagues, not maximize it.

I'm lazily posting this instead of running the numbers to see if it matters, but:

Isn't the real issue how QB1+QB24 adds up versus QB12+QB13?

If you only compare players in one round of a snake, of course there is an imbalance. The imperfectly-realized purpose of snaking is to make up that initial difference in the following round...

 

[ZWK]

A couple things you could do:

* make both QB spots superflex spots (so a team can start 0 QBs)

* adjust QB scoring so that it is closer to other positions (e.g., 3 per passing TD, -3 per TO, -1 per sack, or -0.1 per sack yard lost)

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

If we went 2 QB with 14 teams I'd probably do Team QB and max 2 per roster.

It's a solid league but moreso an average league then sharks. Don't want teams shutout on a 2nd QB.

Going 2 QB is like going auction. Once you do it the only way. Unfortunately hard to get everyone in one place to do a seamless auction.

In the OP's case, I feel like he needs to do both.

I've said this before on this board: I would never join or stay in a 2QB league of 12+ teams that used a snake draft, unless the QB scoring was hugely devalued relative to standard leagues.

Because with typical QB scoring, the difference in VBD between QB1 and QB12 is so big, and so predictable, that a huge part of your team's success comes down to the randomness of draft position. And as better-than-average FF owners we should be seeking to minimize the role of luck in our leagues, not maximize it.

I'm lazily posting this instead of running the numbers to see if it matters, but:Isn't the real issue how QB1+QB24 adds up versus QB12+QB13?

If you only compare players in one round of a snake, of course there is an imbalance. The imperfectly-realized purpose of snaking is to make up that initial difference in the following round...

It's not so much that the QB VBD differential at the top is big (though it is), but that it's predictable.

Barring injury, there's almost no chance Luck and Rodgers finish outside the top 4-5 QBs in 2015. How confident are you that Eli and Tannehill (QBs 12 and 13) are going to finish as top-13 guys?

Put another way: Right now, QB24 by ADP is Derek Carr. Would anyone, anywhere, in a 2QB 6-pt passing TD league trade away Luck and Carr for Eli and Tannehill? And if so, does your league have a spot open?

 

[Arodin]

It's not so much that the QB VBD differential at the top is big (though it is), but that it's predictable.

Barring injury, there's almost no chance Luck and Rodgers finish outside the top 4-5 QBs in 2015. How confident are you that Eli and Tannehill (QBs 12 and 13) are going to finish as top-13 guys?

Put another way: Right now, QB24 by ADP is Derek Carr. Would anyone, anywhere, in a 2QB 6-pt passing TD league trade away Luck and Carr for Eli and Tannehill? And if so, does your league have a spot open?

That actually makes a lot of sense. Thanks for clarifying.

Essentially, if you don't win the top-pick lottery, you have to win the "guess the breakout QBs of the year" one instead.

 

[Daywalker]

We do 4pts a td/pass but no negative points for INT. 11 QB's went in top 24 last year. 6 RB. 5 WR. 2 TE.

 

[Pwingles]

We do 4pts a td/pass but no negative points for INT. 11 QB's went in top 24 last year. 6 RB. 5 WR. 2 TE.

No neg pt for INT, nice

Ill take luck and eli plz