Start Ingram this week @ TB (1 Viewer)

[ppierce]

Coach Sean Payton acknowledged that it's been a "challenge" getting Mark Ingram enough touches and carries this season.

"He's doing real well," said Payton, who also revealed that the staff saw intelligence and great instincts from the rookie early in camp. "The first impression was, 'He's ready,'" said Payton. Ingram leads the backfield in touches this year, but Darren Sproles is getting harder and harder to take off the field. Ingram still has a shot at RB2 value the rest of the way if the Saints stop mixing in FB Jed Collins at the goal-line.

TB stinks. They're run defense is bad and they can't score. The Saints will be all over them and Ingram will get the chance to be the bell cow in the 2nd half. The Saints haven't really destroyed their opponents this season, which is why Sproles has been such a major player. This is Ingram's type of game. Payton will make it a point to get him the rock if they are up early and often.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

I'll assume your analysis begins with "TB Stinks".

They are 3-2, so I don't know how much they "stink". They laid an egg against San Fran, ok. They do have issues in that they lost 2 key components in Gerald McCoy and Mason Foster is out. Couple this with the fact that Tampa and New Orleans is always a tough divisional matchup and the Bucs are at home. Not that a Saints rout isn't likely, but certainly not a given.

Even if they do rout the Bucs, why would Sean Payton not continue his multi-RB committee approach if that is winning games? Please come up with one definitive reason why it's going to be Ingram who busts loose against the Bucs and not any of the others who timeshare the ball? Why will Payton make it a point to give Ingram the ball? Is this all just wishful thinking?

 

[mphtrilogy]

i have to start him, here's why

cj and wells are off this week

 

[baconisgood]

The Saints haven't really destroyed their opponents this season, which is why Sproles has been such a major player.

Sproles has been a player because he has been extremely effective. 7.1 y/c and 8.5 per catch on 11.4 touches a game. Pierre Thomas is still out gaining Ingram by a yard per carry and is also catching almost 3 balls a game. Ingram will probably have a couple of big (100 combine yards, 2 TD) games this year and perhaps one comes this week. But perhaps not.

 

[Warhogs]

Seems like a lot of people beating up on the OP. I will agree with the OP on this. If I was told that a Saints RB this week rushed for over 100 yards and a TD and asked me to guess who it was. My guess would be Ingram because I feel he would be the most likely to have gotten major work in the game.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Start Ingram this week? I've heard this story before - LOL.

In all seriousness with the way Freeman has been playing this should be his best game script so far.

They didn't keep Newton off the field and it almost cost NO the game. At some point they need to grind out a game.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Seems like a lot of people beating up on the OP. I will agree with the OP on this. If I was told that a Saints RB this week rushed for over 100 yards and a TD and asked me to guess who it was. My guess would be Ingram because I feel he would be the most likely to have gotten major work in the game.

Don't get me wrong. I'm reluctantly starting Ingram this week due to bye week issues. Either him or Pierre Thomas in PPR. Neither puts a warm fuzzy feeling in my stomach. I'm happy if he scores a TD and gains 40 yards. But I don't expect more than that.

 

[VikingFrog]

I start Ingram every week due to injury! These threads are useless to me.

 

[baconisgood]

Seems like a lot of people beating up on the OP. I will agree with the OP on this. If I was told that a Saints RB this week rushed for over 100 yards and a TD and asked me to guess who it was. My guess would be Ingram because I feel he would be the most likely to have gotten major work in the game.

That information is to specific though. If someone said a NO running back gained 100 total yards and had a TD is Ingram the Favorite?Is he even #2? Sproles is averaging 90 yards a game and PT is averaging 10 more yards a game than Ingram. The big problem I see with Ingram isn't a touch problem like most people assume- it is straight up productivity. He has at least 11 touches in every game and hasn't yet broken 60 yards. His best yardage total? 58 yards on 17 carries and 2 receptions. Meanwhile Sproles has looked GREAT and PT has looked solid.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Seems like a lot of people beating up on the OP. I will agree with the OP on this. If I was told that a Saints RB this week rushed for over 100 yards and a TD and asked me to guess who it was. My guess would be Ingram because I feel he would be the most likely to have gotten major work in the game.

That information is to specific though. If someone said a NO running back gained 100 total yards and had a TD is Ingram the Favorite?Is he even #2? Sproles is averaging 90 yards a game and PT is averaging 10 more yards a game than Ingram. The big problem I see with Ingram isn't a touch problem like most people assume- it is straight up productivity. He has at least 11 touches in every game and hasn't yet broken 60 yards. His best yardage total? 58 yards on 17 carries and 2 receptions. Meanwhile Sproles has looked GREAT and PT has looked solid.

and both PT and Sproles have enough splash plays to make a 2011 season U tube video, while Ingram looks like a straight ahead plodder with little vision on most of his carries. If it wasn't for the name on the back of his jersey, I'd mistake him for a blocking fullback.

 

[Isotopes]

I think Sproles is the only startable running back in NO right now. Unless you have no other options, I think you have to wait until Ingram does break out before you insert him in your lineup over other quality players. You may miss one strong week from Ingram, but I would rather have him blow up on my bench one week before getting the start - then keep playing him on a hunch and watch him put up 5-7 fantasy points.

 

[Captain Hook]

TB stinks. They're run defense is bad

This is really an exageration. Against the runTampa Bay has allowed 123 yards rushing per game - league average is 111.2Tampa Bay has give up four rushing touchdowns per game - league average is 3.7

 

[Raiderfan32904]

TB stinks. They're run defense is bad

This is really an exageration. Against the runTampa Bay has allowed 123 yards rushing per game - league average is 111.2Tampa Bay has give up four rushing touchdowns per game - league average is 3.7

They have been decent after a horrible week stopping the run in week one and week five. But losing Gerald McCoy and Mason Foster to the front 7 is a huge, huge blow. Can't be overstated. They are talking about moving Da'Quan Bowers inside even though he's had little experience there. The run defense is a weakness that Sean Payton should exploit in this Sunday's gameplan.

 

[BroadwayG]

Translation - I'm forced to start Ingram this week due to byes/injuries. I started this thread to give me hope.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Translation - I'm forced to start Ingram this week due to byes/injuries. I started this thread to give me hope.

 

[footballnerd]

TB isn't horrible, I see them coming out juiced after last weeks loss, but I can see Ingram with a couple of TDs and less than 75 yds.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

It seems someone is claiming a breakout for Ingram each week. I've started him once so far and feel lucky that he got in the endzone. He's on my bench until I need him for a bye filler. I don't see a big 2011 for him anymore.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Shonn Greene, Daniel Thomas, James Starks. What do these guys have in common? They are all guys I really don't like at all who I would start over Ingram this week.

A good time to start Ingram is after he actually does something worth mentioning, he hasn't done squat all year and to be quite honest looks to have B U S T written on him, I wouldn't call him a bust yet, I think he'll end up a RB3/flex type but he's doing his best to make that look unlikely so far. Greene/Rudi Johnson to me is Ingrams upside. On a side note, Trent Richardson will be an uber stud, keep your eye on this guy and don't think just because Ingram stinks that he will, not gonna happen.

 

[RBM]

Going Ingram over Mathews this week

Have him penciled in for 41 yards, no tds

 

[bonesman]

TB isn't horrible, I see them coming out juiced after last weeks loss, but I can see Ingram with a couple of TDs and less than 75 yds.

They're not horrible, no... but none of their wins have been impressive. They had to comeback in the 4th quarter against Minny and Indy, two teams I do consider horrible. So that suggests to me that they're only a small step above horrible.Also, it was Blount who put them in the endzone in the 4thQ of those games, and he'll be in street clothes this week, so they're even further behind the 8ball (not to mention the injuries on the D side)

 

[footballnerd]

TB isn't horrible, I see them coming out juiced after last weeks loss, but I can see Ingram with a couple of TDs and less than 75 yds.

They're not horrible, no... but none of their wins have been impressive. They had to comeback in the 4th quarter against Minny and Indy, two teams I do consider horrible. So that suggests to me that they're only a small step above horrible.Also, it was Blount who put them in the endzone in the 4thQ of those games, and he'll be in street clothes this week, so they're even further behind the 8ball (not to mention the injuries on the D side)

lost to DET by only 7, beat ATL who isn't very good but the win puts TB above horrible. Graham can move the ball for these guys its wont be a guaranteed blow out by NO with TB at home. NO didn't blow out JAC or CAR on the road with rookie QBs.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I'm going with Torain over The Kingram, but it seems like even when the Saints have a poor run game (and right now they rank 14th in yards per game, already a big improvement over last year's bottom 5 finish) every year they somewhere in the middle of the season start popping out some big running games. Ivory, McAllister, you name it, they have been sprinkled in there. I don't know if this is the game - is Tampa *really just going to do the el foldo, or do they try and make their season by drawing into a tie with the Saints? (I'm guessing they will show) - but it will happen.

I think the bigger issue for Tampa fans is what Painter and Alex Smith did to them vs the idea of Drew freakin' Brees coming to town already off two road wins. I'd be thinking spot start for some Saints WR.

 

[Darryl Talley]

No, thanks. I'm forever grateful for his TD last week, I'll take my winnings home.

I have better options though.

 

[bonesman]

TB isn't horrible, I see them coming out juiced after last weeks loss, but I can see Ingram with a couple of TDs and less than 75 yds.

They're not horrible, no... but none of their wins have been impressive. They had to comeback in the 4th quarter against Minny and Indy, two teams I do consider horrible. So that suggests to me that they're only a small step above horrible.Also, it was Blount who put them in the endzone in the 4thQ of those games, and he'll be in street clothes this week, so they're even further behind the 8ball (not to mention the injuries on the D side)

lost to DET by only 7, beat ATL who isn't very good but the win puts TB above horrible. Graham can move the ball for these guys its wont be a guaranteed blow out by NO with TB at home. NO didn't blow out JAC or CAR on the road with rookie QBs.

In the 7 point loss to Det they scored in the last 2 min what was basically a garbage TD. After the 1st TD from Calvin they never looked like they had a chance.The W over Atl was unimpressive and I'm sure they kind of feel like they "stole" it a little bit on that 4th down offsides when Atl had a bunch of momentum on offense and looked like they would come back.

 

[Astangi]

Seems like a lot of people beating up on the OP. I will agree with the OP on this. If I was told that a Saints RB this week rushed for over 100 yards and a TD and asked me to guess who it was. My guess would be Ingram because I feel he would be the most likely to have gotten major work in the game.

That information is to specific though. If someone said a NO running back gained 100 total yards and had a TD is Ingram the Favorite?

Is he even #2? Sproles is averaging 90 yards a game and PT is averaging 10 more yards a game than Ingram.

The big problem I see with Ingram isn't a touch problem like most people assume- it is straight up productivity. He has at least 11 touches in every game and hasn't yet broken 60 yards. His best yardage total? 58 yards on 17 carries and 2 receptions. Meanwhile

Sproles has looked GREAT and PT has looked solid.

and both PT and Sproles have enough splash plays to make a 2011 season U tube video, while Ingram looks like a straight ahead plodder with little vision on most of his carries. If it wasn't for the name on the back of his jersey, I'd mistake him for a blocking fullback.

As much as I hate to admit it (Ingram owner, here), this is the case. For all the clamoring about situation and the Saints not using Ingram enough, the fact is he's received double-digit touches every single week and he's averaging less than 3.5 yards per touch while Sproles and Thomas are averaging better than 6ypt (ok, PT is 5.97...close enough). We can all "rookie" this and "development" that, but as Dr. Bramel said on The Audible, after 5 games you've got a trend and at this point I believe we all need to see a reversal of that trend (i.e. more than one week of decent production) before trusting this guy on any given week.

I think we need to see 2 of 3 things happen to change our thinking about him: 1) Even more touches, 2) A significant jump in YPT or 3) More TDs or at least more chances at TDs. For me, an extra 5 carries at <3.5 per tote is not going to increase my enthusiasm if he's still sharing redzone touches with 3 other guys ( Collins included ) and not scoring any more TDs.

 

[valhallan]

Sproles love almost doomed them against Carolina. I definitely expect less of him and a heavier dose of Ingram this week.

 

[northwoods]

Guys have to EARN a spot on my game day roster, just like in the NFL. I drafted Ingram on potential that hasn't shown up yet, shame on me. I'm not starting him till he shows me he deserves a start. He's benched until he produces enough to justify the risk of slotting him in.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

Seems like a lot of people beating up on the OP. I will agree with the OP on this. If I was told that a Saints RB this week rushed for over 100 yards and a TD and asked me to guess who it was. My guess would be Ingram because I feel he would be the most likely to have gotten major work in the game.

That information is to specific though. If someone said a NO running back gained 100 total yards and had a TD is Ingram the Favorite?

Is he even #2? Sproles is averaging 90 yards a game and PT is averaging 10 more yards a game than Ingram.

The big problem I see with Ingram isn't a touch problem like most people assume- it is straight up productivity. He has at least 11 touches in every game and hasn't yet broken 60 yards. His best yardage total? 58 yards on 17 carries and 2 receptions. Meanwhile

Sproles has looked GREAT and PT has looked solid.

and both PT and Sproles have enough splash plays to make a 2011 season U tube video, while Ingram looks like a straight ahead plodder with little vision on most of his carries. If it wasn't for the name on the back of his jersey, I'd mistake him for a blocking fullback.

As much as I hate to admit it (Ingram owner, here), this is the case. For all the clamoring about situation and the Saints not using Ingram enough, the fact is he's received double-digit touches every single week and he's averaging less than 3.5 yards per touch while Sproles and Thomas are averaging better than 6ypt (ok, PT is 5.97...close enough). We can all "rookie" this and "development" that, but as Dr. Bramel said on The Audible, after 5 games you've got a trend and at this point I believe we all need to see a reversal of that trend (i.e. more than one week of decent production) before trusting this guy on any given week.

I think you are confusing Ingram's YPC with everyone else's YPT which.

 

[BroadwayG]

I think you are confusing Ingram's YPC with everyone else's YPT which.

Ingrams YPT is even worse than his YPC

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

Ingram is trending up. He's getting more carries and his his catches are going up every week. He's bound to break a 20 yarder one of these catches espescially if Payton is right and starts scheming for Ingram.

 

[Team ROFLCOPTERS]

I think you are confusing Ingram's YPC with everyone else's YPT which.

Ingrams YPT is even worse than his YPC

You're right!!

 

[thatguythere]

Sproles love almost doomed them against Carolina. I definitely expect less of him and a heavier dose of Ingram this week.

Exactly. 3rd and short and hand it to Sproles...WTF? Talk about overthinking....I think defenses are looking nothing but pass with Sproles in the game...and he still couldn't convert. Ingram should and will be given some more chances and Sproles can be the change of pace like he has always been. Takes time and hopefully by the second half of the season they will have it straight. Anyone thinks they are going to win big games in Nov and Dec with Sproles running the ball needs a check up. Put him in in obvious running situations and he'll be on the injury report. Give Ingram some chances on in passing situations and give him enough carries to change it up a few times, and opponents wouldn't be scoring as much while the Saints eat up the clock. If they are going to win big games later in the year they will need this. Without they will be in shootout after shootout and will lose those to the better teams.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Ingram has had more carries than Michael Bush in each game, and still has fewer FF points than Bush in my league.

Ingram will probably have a good week or two. But his potential week-to-week for that is equal to many other (mediocre) FF players. For 2011 purposes he is part of the faceless RB rabble.

 

[Kenny Powers]

My team sucks. Im starting Ingram anyway. Thanks for thread.

 

[Multiple Scores]

My team sucks. Im starting Ingram anyway. Thanks for thread.

The mike Wallace hate did your team in.

 

[Hoops77]

Sproles love almost doomed them against Carolina. I definitely expect less of him and a heavier dose of Ingram this week.

Exactly. 3rd and short and hand it to Sproles...WTF? Talk about overthinking....I think defenses are looking nothing but pass with Sproles in the game...and he still couldn't convert. Ingram should and will be given some more chances and Sproles can be the change of pace like he has always been. Takes time and hopefully by the second half of the season they will have it straight. Anyone thinks they are going to win big games in Nov and Dec with Sproles running the ball needs a check up. Put him in in obvious running situations and he'll be on the injury report. Give Ingram some chances on in passing situations and give him enough carries to change it up a few times, and opponents wouldn't be scoring as much while the Saints eat up the clock. If they are going to win big games later in the year they will need this. Without they will be in shootout after shootout and will lose those to the better teams.

Only problem with this analysis is that there are no better teams they will face the rest of the year. Sproles has done great as a runner and receiver this year and will continue to do so. You can't key on him because of the myriad of other weapons Brees has........and it seems as if a new one arrives every week. First Moore, then Colston and next week Ivory. With 4 good WRs, 4 good RBs and a tightend that is playing at absolute beastmode......who is it that is going to beat them?

 

[griff321]

Coach Sean Payton acknowledged that it's been a "challenge" getting Mark Ingram enough touches and carries this season."He's doing real well," said Payton, who also revealed that the staff saw intelligence and great instincts from the rookie early in camp. "The first impression was, 'He's ready,'" said Payton. Ingram leads the backfield in touches this year, but Darren Sproles is getting harder and harder to take off the field. Ingram still has a shot at RB2 value the rest of the way if the Saints stop mixing in FB Jed Collins at the goal-line.TB stinks. They're run defense is bad and they can't score. The Saints will be all over them and Ingram will get the chance to be the bell cow in the 2nd half. The Saints haven't really destroyed their opponents this season, which is why Sproles has been such a major player. This is Ingram's type of game. Payton will make it a point to get him the rock if they are up early and often.

That sounds like something out of ESPN countdown picks. "If not now, then when?"Last week seemed like the dream opportunity. After that meh performance I need to see a trend first.It seems like it's almost obvious what the Saints are going to do when Ingram comes in. I have no other way to explain 9 for 32 against Carolina.

 

[VikingFrog]

Coach Sean Payton acknowledged that it's been a "challenge" getting Mark Ingram enough touches and carries this season."He's doing real well," said Payton, who also revealed that the staff saw intelligence and great instincts from the rookie early in camp. "The first impression was, 'He's ready,'" said Payton. Ingram leads the backfield in touches this year, but Darren Sproles is getting harder and harder to take off the field. Ingram still has a shot at RB2 value the rest of the way if the Saints stop mixing in FB Jed Collins at the goal-line.TB stinks. They're run defense is bad and they can't score. The Saints will be all over them and Ingram will get the chance to be the bell cow in the 2nd half. The Saints haven't really destroyed their opponents this season, which is why Sproles has been such a major player. This is Ingram's type of game. Payton will make it a point to get him the rock if they are up early and often.

That sounds like something out of ESPN countdown picks. "If not now, then when?"Last week seemed like the dream opportunity. After that meh performance I need to see a trend first.It seems like it's almost obvious what the Saints are going to do when Ingram comes in. I have no other way to explain 9 for 32 against Carolina.

I'll take 9 for 32 AND a TD any day. Although I have ####ty running backs.

 

[bonesman]

It seems like it's almost obvious what the Saints are going to do when Ingram comes in.

Play-action fake to Ingram and a pass to the FB on the GL?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Saints | Coach wants to get Mark Ingram more involved

Sat, 15 Oct 2011 09:31:12 -0700

New Orleans Saints head coach Sean Payton said RB Mark Ingram has done well so far this season but he wants to get Ingram more touches. Payton believes Ingram does not get enough touches at times because the team uses different offensive packages during games.

Read more: http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl#ixzz1arv55Nn4

 

[jacobo_moses]

Guys I think its safe to say this. Ingram was drafted to be the lead back because at the time they drafted him they didn't have Sproles yet and Pierre Thomas has had trouble staying healthy. So they saw it as a real need. So then the FBG staff started touting Ingram big time as the bellcow and the RB to own in NO. Then in steps Sproles once Free Agency opens. Even after that the FBG staff though that the NO Saint staff would use Sproles similar to Bush. (Lets face it we all thought that) Then Sproles was becoming so productive with the carries he was getting (Similar to Felix Jones in his 1st and 2nd year) That the staff couldn't justify giving him less carries and Ingram more as INgram got more comfortable in the Saints Offense. Sproles has just been better then the Fantasy WOrld and the NO Saint staff would've predicted. So that leaves Ingram in a role where he will get maybe 9 to 14 touches a game if he is lucky. But with Sproles and Pierre Thomas both playing pretty solid. I just don't see it changing much. I'm a dynasty owner of Ingram and took him no 2 overall. I'm starting to regret it now. But I don't dare trade him because I won't get what he is really worth right now. I guess we just have to be patient. But 2011 is not looking good for Ingram owners is all I'm saying.

 

[E_Smith]

Guys I think its safe to say this. Ingram was drafted to be the lead back because at the time they drafted him they didn't have Sproles yet and Pierre Thomas has had trouble staying healthy. So they saw it as a real need. So then the FBG staff started touting Ingram big time as the bellcow and the RB to own in NO. Then in steps Sproles once Free Agency opens. Even after that the FBG staff though that the NO Saint staff would use Sproles similar to Bush. (Lets face it we all thought that) Then Sproles was becoming so productive with the carries he was getting (Similar to Felix Jones in his 1st and 2nd year) That the staff couldn't justify giving him less carries and Ingram more as INgram got more comfortable in the Saints Offense. Sproles has just been better then the Fantasy WOrld and the NO Saint staff would've predicted. So that leaves Ingram in a role where he will get maybe 9 to 14 touches a game if he is lucky. But with Sproles and Pierre Thomas both playing pretty solid. I just don't see it changing much. I'm a dynasty owner of Ingram and took him no 2 overall. I'm starting to regret it now. But I don't dare trade him because I won't get what he is really worth right now. I guess we just have to be patient. But 2011 is not looking good for Ingram owners is all I'm saying.

Thats strange didn't you just post in the other thread that you acquired Ingram in a trade for not much?

 

[JuSt CuZ]

Translation - I'm forced to start Ingram this week due to byes/injuries. I started this thread to give me hope.

As it states in his sig.

 

[hines]

Guys I think its safe to say this. Ingram was drafted to be the lead back because at the time they drafted him they didn't have Sproles yet and Pierre Thomas has had trouble staying healthy. So they saw it as a real need. So then the FBG staff started touting Ingram big time as the bellcow and the RB to own in NO. Then in steps Sproles once Free Agency opens. Even after that the FBG staff though that the NO Saint staff would use Sproles similar to Bush. (Lets face it we all thought that) Then Sproles was becoming so productive with the carries he was getting (Similar to Felix Jones in his 1st and 2nd year) That the staff couldn't justify giving him less carries and Ingram more as INgram got more comfortable in the Saints Offense. Sproles has just been better then the Fantasy WOrld and the NO Saint staff would've predicted. So that leaves Ingram in a role where he will get maybe 9 to 14 touches a game if he is lucky. But with Sproles and Pierre Thomas both playing pretty solid. I just don't see it changing much. I'm a dynasty owner of Ingram and took him no 2 overall. I'm starting to regret it now. But I don't dare trade him because I won't get what he is really worth right now. I guess we just have to be patient. But 2011 is not looking good for Ingram owners is all I'm saying.

9 to 14 if he is lucky?touch count: 13-14-11-19-11. average of almost 14. so that is very off. I don't see any reason why it will go down and plenty why it will rise (Payton talking about how well Ingram is doing and how he could handle more carries, Saints getting up more, a Sproles or PT injury). I also think he has very little room to go down as far as production is concerned. He could have easily had more TDs if they didn't throw a few in and give on to Collins. I think his usage at the goalline is about to go up. YPC might stay around the same but has room to rise with a long run or two which he will likely break soon and not much room to go down. They are also starting to get him involved in the air as well, a single screen that breaks for a long play is a possibility. I don't really see much room to go down in touches or in production (barring injury) and lots of room to go up. Just my opinion but I think he is the ideal buy low because he has a good chance of being a 12-15 PPG back the rest of the year.

 

[Kenny Powers]

My team sucks. Im starting Ingram anyway. Thanks for thread.

The mike Wallace hate did your team in.

Not really, VJax isnt on my teams either.

 

[Astangi]

I may have to start him now that Daniel Thomas is questionable for Monday night. Not happy about it and may just start Ridley, instead, even with BJGE probably playing. With nothing but disappointment, I can't give Ingram the benefit of the doubt until he does something but flop. There have been too many "great upside" games already that have finished with Sproles (5 out of 5) and PT ( 4 out of 5 ) outscoring him in PPR.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I may have to start him now that Daniel Thomas is questionable for Monday night. Not happy about it and may just start Ridley, instead, even with BJGE probably playing. With nothing but disappointment, I can't give Ingram the benefit of the doubt until he does something but flop. There have been too many "great upside" games already that have finished with Sproles (5 out of 5) and PT ( 4 out of 5 ) outscoring him in PPR.

No way I start Ridley vs DAL over Ingram vs TB, and I have both on 1 team. Whats Sproles, like RB10-12 or so? Of course he has outscored Ingram in all of the games

 

[T with T]

Seems like a lot of people beating up on the OP. I will agree with the OP on this. If I was told that a Saints RB this week rushed for over 100 yards and a TD and asked me to guess who it was. My guess would be Ingram because I feel he would be the most likely to have gotten major work in the game.

That information is to specific though. If someone said a NO running back gained 100 total yards and had a TD is Ingram the Favorite?

Is he even #2? Sproles is averaging 90 yards a game and PT is averaging 10 more yards a game than Ingram.

The big problem I see with Ingram isn't a touch problem like most people assume- it is straight up productivity. He has at least 11 touches in every game and hasn't yet broken 60 yards. His best yardage total? 58 yards on 17 carries and 2 receptions. Meanwhile

Sproles has looked GREAT and PT has looked solid.

and both PT and Sproles have enough splash plays to make a 2011 season U tube video, while Ingram looks like a straight ahead plodder with little vision on most of his carries. If it wasn't for the name on the back of his jersey, I'd mistake him for a blocking fullback.

As much as I hate to admit it (Ingram owner, here), this is the case. For all the clamoring about situation and the Saints not using Ingram enough, the fact is he's received double-digit touches every single week and he's averaging less than 3.5 yards per touch while Sproles and Thomas are averaging better than 6ypt (ok, PT is 5.97...close enough). We can all "rookie" this and "development" that, but as Dr. Bramel said on The Audible, after 5 games you've got a trend and at this point I believe we all need to see a reversal of that trend (i.e. more than one week of decent production) before trusting this guy on any given week.

I think we need to see 2 of 3 things happen to change our thinking about him: 1) Even more touches, 2) A significant jump in YPT or 3) More TDs or at least more chances at TDs. For me, an extra 5 carries at <3.5 per tote is not going to increase my enthusiasm if he's still sharing redzone touches with 3 other guys ( Collins included ) and not scoring any more TDs.

That is true but to go against your line of thinking... Sproles and PT have had more catches which allow them to get more yards, while Ingram gets tons of short yardage and goalline plays... Sean payton is a weeny and runs weird offenses, guys coming in and out every down, its really pretty stupid.. Ingram isn't an 9-12 touch back he is a 25-30 carry workhorse. Not to mention payton the first couple weeks took ingram out on all passing plays and only inserted him when he was running... good way to script the game and give a defense an edge. Ever think about them little points???? that could be part of turd paytons problem...

 

[thatguythere]

Seems like a lot of people beating up on the OP. I will agree with the OP on this. If I was told that a Saints RB this week rushed for over 100 yards and a TD and asked me to guess who it was. My guess would be Ingram because I feel he would be the most likely to have gotten major work in the game.

That information is to specific though. If someone said a NO running back gained 100 total yards and had a TD is Ingram the Favorite?

Is he even #2? Sproles is averaging 90 yards a game and PT is averaging 10 more yards a game than Ingram.

The big problem I see with Ingram isn't a touch problem like most people assume- it is straight up productivity. He has at least 11 touches in every game and hasn't yet broken 60 yards. His best yardage total? 58 yards on 17 carries and 2 receptions. Meanwhile

Sproles has looked GREAT and PT has looked solid.

and both PT and Sproles have enough splash plays to make a 2011 season U tube video, while Ingram looks like a straight ahead plodder with little vision on most of his carries. If it wasn't for the name on the back of his jersey, I'd mistake him for a blocking fullback.

As much as I hate to admit it (Ingram owner, here), this is the case. For all the clamoring about situation and the Saints not using Ingram enough, the fact is he's received double-digit touches every single week and he's averaging less than 3.5 yards per touch while Sproles and Thomas are averaging better than 6ypt (ok, PT is 5.97...close enough). We can all "rookie" this and "development" that, but as Dr. Bramel said on The Audible, after 5 games you've got a trend and at this point I believe we all need to see a reversal of that trend (i.e. more than one week of decent production) before trusting this guy on any given week.

I think we need to see 2 of 3 things happen to change our thinking about him: 1) Even more touches, 2) A significant jump in YPT or 3) More TDs or at least more chances at TDs. For me, an extra 5 carries at <3.5 per tote is not going to increase my enthusiasm if he's still sharing redzone touches with 3 other guys ( Collins included ) and not scoring any more TDs.

That is true but to go against your line of thinking... Sproles and PT have had more catches which allow them to get more yards, while Ingram gets tons of short yardage and goalline plays... Sean payton is a weeny and runs weird offenses, guys coming in and out every down, its really pretty stupid.. Ingram isn't an 9-12 touch back he is a 25-30 carry workhorse. Not to mention payton the first couple weeks took ingram out on all passing plays and only inserted him when he was running... good way to script the game and give a defense an edge. Ever think about them little points???? that could be part of turd paytons problem...

Exactly, Sproles comes in the game and the defense has to lean towards pass. Of course he'll have some good runs. Nearly every time Ingram is in the defense knows they are running. When the day comes that he gets 20+ carries and can get a little rhythm, then we'll see what he can do. Payton probably can't quite comprehend running the ball all day and having a low scoring game.

 

[Bobtender]

Ingram is trending up. He's getting more carries and his his catches are going up every week. He's bound to break a 20 yarder one of these catches espescially if Payton is right and starts scheming for Ingram.

Bolded is the key. Payton is one of the top coaches in the NFL as far as offensive play design & scheming. Everything to this point has been very vanilla for Ingram. After Payton's comments this week I think now is the time that he gets more creative on the play calling.I know this has been said the last couple of weeks but I really believe from here on out Ingram will be a solid RB2.