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State of the Redskins' LB Corps (1 Viewer)

With no deal for Briggs going down during the draft, what will the LB depth chart for the Redskins be? Fletcher is a lock at MLB and Washington probably plays at SLB. But who will play the weak side, Marshall or McIntosh? Marshall has put up over 100 tackles the last two seasons, but McIntosh could battle strongly for the position in camp. I need to add a good OLB and Marshall is available, as well as these players:

Caleb Miller

Dhani Jones

Ben Leber

Orlando Huff

Branon Chillar (already have Witherspoon)

Rashad Jeanty (potential sleeper, however a SLB)

Are any of these LB's worth having over Marshall?

 
With no deal for Briggs going down during the draft, what will the LB depth chart for the Redskins be? Fletcher is a lock at MLB and Washington probably plays at SLB. But who will play the weak side, Marshall or McIntosh? Marshall has put up over 100 tackles the last two seasons, but McIntosh could battle strongly for the position in camp. I need to add a good OLB and Marshall is available, as well as these players: Caleb MillerDhani JonesBen LeberOrlando HuffBranon Chillar (already have Witherspoon)Rashad Jeanty (potential sleeper, however a SLB) Are any of these LB's worth having over Marshall?
I think McIntosh gets the job, but he has to earn it in TC. I don't really like any of those guys listed but would go with Huff. BTW what is your scoring system?
 
The suspicion is that neither McIntosh (knee) nor Washington (hip surgery) are physically sound right now, and that the picks of Sartz and Blades in part reflect that. Here's a Washington Post article that covers this:

Linebacker Situation Addressed; Two Picks Have Good Bloodlines

By Jason La Canfora

Washington Post Staff Writer

Monday, April 30, 2007; Page E12

The Washington Redskins entered the second day of the NFL draft yesterday hoping to address depth at linebacker after failing to develop youngsters at the position in recent years, and used their first two picks to do precisely that.

As Washington's second pick in the draft approached yesterday afternoon, in the fifth round, the team targeted a trio of linebackers, sources said, and ended up selecting the highest ranked of the bunch, Dallas Sartz (Southern Cal). Privately, team officials hoped that one of the other linebackers -- Rufus Alexander (Oklahoma) and H.B. Blades (Pittsburgh) -- might manage to slip to the sixth round, and when Blades did fall, Washington took him 179th overall. . .

This coaching staff has been aiming to cultivate quality young backups at linebacker for three years, but the Redskins failed with several late-round picks. They only had five NFL-level linebackers entering the draft, and there are concerns about the status of two key linebackers, Marcus Washington (hip) and 2006 second-round pick Rocky McIntosh (knee), both of whom will be monitored closely. Linebackers are also usually the lifeblood of special teams, and with veterans Warrick Holdman and Jeff Posey departed, Sartz and Blades could make their first impact on those units.

"We were short on numbers at linebacker, and that's one of the things we had highlighted," Coach Joe Gibbs said. "We were kind of holding our breath there [in the sixth round], because there were a couple of linebackers we thought could make the team."

Sartz was part of a USC program that has cultivated some of the top talent in the country and won back-to-back national titles. He has good size (6 feet 5, 235 pounds) but must add weight. He displayed good power as an outside linebacker and was a prospect for the 2006 draft, but missed much of that season with an injury and was granted another year of eligibility. Last season at USC, Sartz, whose grandfather was a Golden Gloves boxer and professional hydroplane racer, had 70 tackles and led the Trojans with seven sacks.

The professional environment at USC will prepare Sartz well for the NFL, he believes.

"We've been to five BCS [bowl] games the last five years," Sartz said on a conference call. "We won two national championships and had three Heisman Trophy winners and had all the publicity around us and the media and everything. I think that everything at USC prepares you for the next level."

Blades has been immersed in football his entire life. His father, Bennie, was a standout defensive back and the third overall pick in the 1988 draft, and his uncle, Brian, was an NFL wide receiver. H.B. Blades lacks the size of many NFL inside linebackers (5-11, 237), but believes he can excel. The Redskins would be thrilled if Blades could back up free agent linebacker London Fletcher and possibly replace him one day.

"I'm very happy and very exited," Blades said during a conference call. "I can't wait to get into minicamp next weekend and show Coach Gibbs and everybody else that they made a great pick."

M. Washington Update

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Gibbs said that Marcus Washington, a former Pro Bowler, should be cleared to begin running soon after undergoing hip surgery, but there is no set timetable for when he will be cleared for full contact. "It might take him a while," Gibbs said. . . .
The bottom line for the Redskins LB corps is this: at the moment, aside from penciling in Fletcher at MLB, and knowing that Marshall will fill one of the two OLB spots, we don't know who is starting for them given the concerns about Washington and McInstosh. Also, because the team couldn't address the DL via the draft, they don't figure to devote trade/cap resources to further bolstering their LB corps now given that they need to use those resources for DL. Definitely closely monitor this throughout the preseason.

 
McIntosh tidbit, from Paul Woody, a respected long-time 'Skins beat writer out of Richmond:

The team feels confident that Rocky McIntosh is not just going to start at weakside linebacker but that he's going to excel at weakside linebacker. The proof will come on the field. McIntosh is a powerful tackler with an excellent punch. He had trouble grasping the defense last year, and when he did play, was thinking more about what he should do than reacting to what he saw and doing what he did naturally in college. Lemar Marshall is a very capable player who has played the weak side effectively in the past. McIntosh will need to be productive early if he is to hold off Marshall's push to regain a starting job.
No quotes, so it's hard to know where this comes from, but it's supportive of McIntosh for whatever it's worth. http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=203331

 
Additional reinforcement of McIntosh's starting status at Will, and Lemar Marshall's backup status. Note that John Keim is a very respected beat reporter for the team, so don't dismiss the publication that this article appears in:

Marshall no longer the middle man

John Keim, The Examiner

2007-05-14 07:00:00.0

Current rank: # 17 of 8,514

Ashburn -

The coaches excused his performance, blaming it on his shoulders — and not his ability. The excuse was valid: Lemar Marshall had undergone two shoulder surgeries in the offseason.

His performance suffered.

But the coaches publicly maintained their confidence.

Then they signed London Fletcher.

Now Marshall has gone from nice story the past three seasons to spare part. As of now, he’s out of a starting job, playing behind Rocky McIntosh on the outside, Fletcher in the middle and Marcus Washington on the strong side.

Marshall’s versatility has caused him to be a valuable backup rather than an adequate starter.

“He’s real important to us because he can play any of the three spots,” Redskins coach Joe Gibbs said. “He’s smart and highly competitive and he has a real place on the team. His versatility is what’s good for us.”

Marshall started on the weakside in 2004 when LaVar Arrington was sidelined with an injury. When Antonio Pierce left via free agency after that season, Marshall shifted to the middle. He responded with a decent season.

The coaches were pleased. But after last season, they turned their attention toward Fletcher. Whether or not Marshall was surprised, or bothered, by the move, he would not say.

“That’s one of those questions I’d rather not answer,” Marshall said. “The only way to answer that is truthfully.”

So he declined.

But scouts did like that the Redskins signed Fletcher, saying he was a good fit in the middle of their defense — if the tackles kept blockers off him. Fletcher is a natural middle linebacker and strong leader. Outsiders say the Redskins upgraded at the position.

And Marshall’s presence does give Washington versatility on the bench. Not to mention an insurance policy should Rocky McIntosh fail on the weakside.

“It’s one of those things where we’re just going to have to find out,” Marshall said. “I get reps at every position and that’s one of the things that’s a positive in my case. Wherever I’m needed, that’s where I’ll be.”

More importantly for Marshall is his health. He spent all of last offseason rehabbing his shoulders, which prevented him from weight training. That’s not the case this offseason.

And his shoulders bothered him greatly by season’s end.

“We didn’t have a lot of depth so I played through it,” he said. “I had my games where I was good and I had games where I wasn’t so good.

“[but] I’m comfortable at any position, as long as I’m healthy.”

Marshall Plan

» In 15 games last year, Marshall made 119 tackles, good for second on the team. But he wasn’t much of a playmaker: Marshall did not intercept a pass nor did he force a fumble. However, in 2005 Marshall intercepted four passes and forced two fumbles.
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IIRC, Marshall was a safety in college. He's shown pretty good ability in pass defense. I can see a situation where the Skins put M. Washington at DE in passing situations and the two LBs are Fletcher and Marshall. Unless, of course, Rocky shines at pass D. Athletically, Rocky has the advantage over Marshall. But, Marshall's veteran savvy may help him as a situational LB. Then again, Rocky would probably be the much better blitzer of the two.

I think it should all be pretty clear after a couple preseason games.

 
IIRC, Marshall was a safety in college. He's shown pretty good ability in pass defense. I can see a situation where the Skins put M. Washington at DE in passing situations and the two LBs are Fletcher and Marshall. Unless, of course, Rocky shines at pass D. Athletically, Rocky has the advantage over Marshall. But, Marshall's veteran savvy may help him as a situational LB. Then again, Rocky would probably be the much better blitzer of the two.I think it should all be pretty clear after a couple preseason games.
IMHO for a backup LB, Marshall will get an above average number of snaps because of his versatility. I think the 'Skins LB corps as a whole, perhaps with the exception of Fletcher, will get rotated in and out depending upon the defensive packages, game plan and game situation. Marshall makes for a pretty good nickel LB given his pass coverage skills. And yes, he did play safety on college.
 
Marshall, 30, who was second on the team in tackles to Sean Taylor last season and led the team in total tackles in 2005, will likely be a hybrid.

Marshall said he met with new linebackers coach Kirk Olivadotti, who told him that Washington, Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh would be the starters, but that Marshall would have an opportunity to compete for a first-string job.
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Marshall, 30, who was second on the team in tackles to Sean Taylor last season and led the team in total tackles in 2005, will likely be a hybrid.

Marshall said he met with new linebackers coach Kirk Olivadotti, who told him that Washington, Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh would be the starters, but that Marshall would have an opportunity to compete for a first-string job.
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Cool. McIntosh needs to get on the field.
 
I would venture a guess that, barring injury, Lemar Marshall will be the best fantasy LB who is not starting in a 4-3 defense. I say that because his pass coverage skills, overall athleticism and mobility, not to mention his in depth knowledge of that defense, lend themselves to extensive use in the nickel.

They haven't actually said this, but that's my feeling. He's definitely worth keeping for that, and also because he's first in line to replace an injured starter in all three LB spots, which is likewise pretty unique.

 
From today's Jason LaCanfora blog in the Washington Post:

I hear that Rocky McIntosh and Cooley have both been standouts during OTAs. At least that's what their teammates are saying.
However, in the same blog post:
Lance Briggs - The Skins and Bears have not talked about the linebacker in quite some time, and, in fact, there has been virtually no interest in the Pro Bowler, league sources said. Some execs would not be shocked if at some point the Bears just cut him - Briggs vows to holdout the first 10 games anyway, and Chicago has no intentions of giving him a longterm deal and he'll carry a huge salary as a franchise player - when the Skins would likely pounce.

Dan Snyder already let Briggs know he would get a fat contract here during trade talks earlier this offseason, and I doubt anyone would outspend him for Briggs, particularly given the paucity of offers for him on the trade market. Would the Bears end up just taking a low pick for him - maybe, perhaps. Either way it continues to look like he may have played his last game for the Bears.
 
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From today's Washington Post Redskins blog:

Marcus Washington, who had all kinds of medical work done to him this offseason including hip surgery (the most serious of the procedures) was back to practice for the first time Tuesday. He was full go and able to take part in drills, a welcome sight for teammates and coaches, who praised his unwavering positive attitude and work ethic during what has been a trying few months for him.
 
I was going to post this but it's easier to simply copy fatness' post from the 'Skins offseason thread in the Pool :cry: :

LaCanfora's blog

I hear that Rocky is being looked at as a real weapon, someone who can be deployed in multiple ways, and is thriving under the tutelage of new LB Coach Kirk Olivadotti And has been a stud this off season. He has essentially lived at the facility, getting up to speed on the defense and all of his responsibilities after struggling to get a grasps of it last year after being picked in the second round. Also, Olivadotti is a more of a "luv 'em up," kind of guy and more touchy-feely than Dale Lindsey was, and the new approach is working well from what the players and others can tell out there.

Bottom line with this defense last year was that nobody made plays. Nobody. Short of Kedric Golston, you tell me who surpassed expectations on that D last season. It was a down year all around, from the coaches to the players; starters through the backups. But Rocky is definitely a guy who has the ability to change games - he provides another athletic presence missing a year ago and is a sure tackler.

On top of all of that, the dude plays with an edge. He hates the opposition for those four quarters on Sundays, and when he hits, it hurts. That physicality was lacking a year ago, too. Rocky has the wheels to do things in coverage now - his struggles learning the system limited his role greatly last season - and he will be allowed to get after the passer some as well, from what I gather.

I know the Bears had really high reports on him and thought he would be an upgrade over Briggs in time in their system, and the Redskins are utilizing a whole lot of Lovie Smith's stuff this season, so make of that what you will. Of course, the one red flag has always been Rocky's knees.
I hope this is proving useful to folks and isn't just a monologue. :cry:
 
What the Redskin's D is working on in minicamp.

Linebacker-specific info:

Marcus Washington, the Redskins' best linebacker since joining the team in 2006, will have an expanded role. He's preparing to play as a rush end, with his hand down, on many passing downs and is expected to be used much less in pass coverage.

"Putting my hand on the ground, I hadn't done it in awhile," Washington said. "But [defensive line] coach Greg Blache and the rest of the defensive line, they've been helping me through it and it's something I'm excited to do."

The Redskins expect to have two new starting linebackers, Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh, who the team says has had a superior offseason and finally has a firm grip on the defense after a difficult rookie season. McIntosh, with good speed, will be used to cover tight ends and running backs downfield, players said. Fletcher also excels at pass coverage, which will allow the Redskins to toggle between him and McIntosh, leaving offenses wondering which linebacker will be dropping back on passing plays.
 
What the

The Redskins expect to have two new starting linebackers, Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh, who the team says has had a superior offseason and finally has a firm grip on the defense after a difficult rookie season. McIntosh, with good speed, will be used to cover tight ends and running backs downfield, players said. Fletcher also excels at pass coverage, which will allow the Redskins to toggle between him and McIntosh, leaving offenses wondering which linebacker will be dropping back on passing plays.
How will Landry/S Taylor relate in this scheme?
The answer is in the article and in the Landry thread a couple threads below.
 
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What the

The Redskins expect to have two new starting linebackers, Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh, who the team says has had a superior offseason and finally has a firm grip on the defense after a difficult rookie season. McIntosh, with good speed, will be used to cover tight ends and running backs downfield, players said. Fletcher also excels at pass coverage, which will allow the Redskins to toggle between him and McIntosh, leaving offenses wondering which linebacker will be dropping back on passing plays.
How will Landry/S Taylor relate in this scheme?
The answer is in the article and in the Landry thread a couple threads below.
Thanks. I read that but was wondering how the LB'ers dropping back would work with Taylor. The article seems to say Sean Taylor will roam free more than be coordinated with the LB'ers and CB's. It sounds like he'll be mostly on his own.
 
What the

The Redskins expect to have two new starting linebackers, Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh, who the team says has had a superior offseason and finally has a firm grip on the defense after a difficult rookie season. McIntosh, with good speed, will be used to cover tight ends and running backs downfield, players said. Fletcher also excels at pass coverage, which will allow the Redskins to toggle between him and McIntosh, leaving offenses wondering which linebacker will be dropping back on passing plays.
How will Landry/S Taylor relate in this scheme?
The answer is in the article and in the Landry thread a couple threads below.
Thanks. I read that but was wondering how the LB'ers dropping back would work with Taylor. The article seems to say Sean Taylor will roam free more than be coordinated with the LB'ers and CB's. It sounds like he'll be mostly on his own.
Oh, sorry. Thought maybe you'd missed it or hadn't gotten to it yet.You're right, Taylor will be on his own in Cover-1 -- it's single deep safety coverage. The others would drop back into intermediate zones or match up against the tight ends, backs, or slot WR depending on the coverage call/personnel.

For IDP purposes, it should elevate the value of the backers some -- more pass rush opportunity at times, more likely to make tackles in coverage. Landry should do well in the box. Taylor gets dinged unless you're in a big play league. Think of Taylor as a more physical Ed Reed right now.

 
It sounds like they've got the personnel in place to really have some fun with that defense. I'm going to be targeting them for sure in redrafts this year.

 
Oh, sorry. Thought maybe you'd missed it or hadn't gotten to it yet.You're right, Taylor will be on his own in Cover-1 -- it's single deep safety coverage. The others would drop back into intermediate zones or match up against the tight ends, backs, or slot WR depending on the coverage call/personnel.For IDP purposes, it should elevate the value of the backers some -- more pass rush opportunity at times, more likely to make tackles in coverage. Landry should do well in the box. Taylor gets dinged unless you're in a big play league. Think of Taylor as a more physical Ed Reed right now.
As a Taylor and McIntosh owner I should be happy. Andre Carter could get some nice rushes in too.
 
Oh, sorry. Thought maybe you'd missed it or hadn't gotten to it yet.You're right, Taylor will be on his own in Cover-1 -- it's single deep safety coverage. The others would drop back into intermediate zones or match up against the tight ends, backs, or slot WR depending on the coverage call/personnel.For IDP purposes, it should elevate the value of the backers some -- more pass rush opportunity at times, more likely to make tackles in coverage. Landry should do well in the box. Taylor gets dinged unless you're in a big play league. Think of Taylor as a more physical Ed Reed right now.
As a Taylor and McIntosh owner I should be happy. Andre Carter could get some nice rushes in too.
From the article:
Williams also has been calling more all-out blitzes and four-man rushes, players said. "Now I know I can feed off a guy like Griffin, because I know now he's going to be trying to penetrate that gap," said defensive end Andre Carter, who struggled in his first season in Washington. "So that'll give me a two-way go and we'll both come out smoking. This year they really want to rely on our talent on the front four itself."
 
Williams also has been calling more all-out blitzes and four-man rushes, players said. "Now I know I can feed off a guy like Griffin, because I know now he's going to be trying to penetrate that gap," said defensive end Andre Carter, who struggled in his first season in Washington. "So that'll give me a two-way go and we'll both come out smoking. This year they really want to rely on our talent on the front four itself."
Weird statement when they're only dropping one safety and having Marcus Washington put his hand down a lot. Everything sounds exactly the opposite: they don't trust their talent on the front four, so they're trying to figure out how to compensate for it.
 
Williams also has been calling more all-out blitzes and four-man rushes, players said. "Now I know I can feed off a guy like Griffin, because I know now he's going to be trying to penetrate that gap," said defensive end Andre Carter, who struggled in his first season in Washington. "So that'll give me a two-way go and we'll both come out smoking. This year they really want to rely on our talent on the front four itself."
Andre Carter did struggle early but the last 5 weeks he had 33 total tackles and 4 sacks.

 
Williams also has been calling more all-out blitzes and four-man rushes, players said. "Now I know I can feed off a guy like Griffin, because I know now he's going to be trying to penetrate that gap," said defensive end Andre Carter, who struggled in his first season in Washington. "So that'll give me a two-way go and we'll both come out smoking. This year they really want to rely on our talent on the front four itself."
Weird statement when they're only dropping one safety and having Marcus Washington put his hand down a lot. Everything sounds exactly the opposite: they don't trust their talent on the front four, so they're trying to figure out how to compensate for it.
I read it to mean Washington would act like a rush end on passing downs (nickel and dime situations). To me that sounds like they trust the secondary (which was porous itself last year) more than that they don't trust the line.It doesn't really say if Washington will rush in addition to the regular front 4, or if a DE will come off the field. If the latter, it would seem ideal to be able to have all three starting LBs on the field on a passing down. I may be misunderstanding what they're doing, but Williams does tend to like players that know/are able to play multiple positions (i.e., a LB that can pass rush like a DE and cover/pursue like an SLB).

 
Tick said:
Sidewinder16 said:
Williams also has been calling more all-out blitzes and four-man rushes, players said. "Now I know I can feed off a guy like Griffin, because I know now he's going to be trying to penetrate that gap," said defensive end Andre Carter, who struggled in his first season in Washington. "So that'll give me a two-way go and we'll both come out smoking. This year they really want to rely on our talent on the front four itself."
Weird statement when they're only dropping one safety and having Marcus Washington put his hand down a lot. Everything sounds exactly the opposite: they don't trust their talent on the front four, so they're trying to figure out how to compensate for it.
The truth is somewhere in between IMHO. Assuming everyone's healthy, Carter, Griffin and even Phillip Daniels are legit pass rushers, though Daniels is far better from the weak side where Carter is. Injuries killed them last year all through that defense, so the relative conservatism of last year's defense is not reflective of what Williams likes to do in terms of his pressure-oriented defense. It's also easy to forget that Carter hadn't played as a true 4-3 DE for 3 to 4 years before he arrived in D.C. last year, so he was relearning that position even as he was learning the new defensive scheme and the defense was in flux due to those injuries. The line should be better just by being healthy, and the (hopefully) better health throughout all of the levels of the defense will free up Williams to call more of his aggressive game.

To be sure, the DL is still the weak spot on that defense, but I think a lot of people confused last year's injuries for lack of talent. If that defense is healthy it should resemble the good unit we saw in 2005 (not the elite unit of 2004) far more than the dismal unit of 2006.

 
What the Redskin's D is working on in minicamp.

Linebacker-specific info:

Marcus Washington, the Redskins' best linebacker since joining the team in 2006, will have an expanded role. He's preparing to play as a rush end, with his hand down, on many passing downs and is expected to be used much less in pass coverage.
After two days of camp here's another blurb, at the bottom of this article, on using Washington as a DE.
Linebacker Marcus Washington, whom the coaches often plan to use as an end, playing with his hand down, continues to work with the defensive lineman during technique drills at the start of practice
 
Interestng-

"Putting my hand on the ground, I hadn't done it in awhile," Washington said. "But [defensive line] coach Greg Blache and the rest of the defensive line, they've been helping me through it and it's something I'm excited to do."

The Redskins expect to have two new starting linebackers, Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh, who the team says has had a superior offseason and finally has a firm grip on the defense after a difficult rookie season. McIntosh, with good speed, will be used to cover tight ends and running backs downfield, players said. Fletcher also excels at pass coverage, which will allow the Redskins to toggle between him and McIntosh, leaving offenses wondering which linebacker will be dropping back on passing plays.

 
bcr8f said:
Interestng-"Putting my hand on the ground, I hadn't done it in awhile," Washington said. "But [defensive line] coach Greg Blache and the rest of the defensive line, they've been helping me through it and it's something I'm excited to do."The Redskins expect to have two new starting linebackers, Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh, who the team says has had a superior offseason and finally has a firm grip on the defense after a difficult rookie season. McIntosh, with good speed, will be used to cover tight ends and running backs downfield, players said. Fletcher also excels at pass coverage, which will allow the Redskins to toggle between him and McIntosh, leaving offenses wondering which linebacker will be dropping back on passing plays.
It will be interesting if all 3 LBs are 3-down LBs. I wouldn't completely count Marshal out, though, on 3rd downs unless McIntosh really impresses.
 
bcr8f said:
Interestng-"Putting my hand on the ground, I hadn't done it in awhile," Washington said. "But [defensive line] coach Greg Blache and the rest of the defensive line, they've been helping me through it and it's something I'm excited to do."The Redskins expect to have two new starting linebackers, Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh, who the team says has had a superior offseason and finally has a firm grip on the defense after a difficult rookie season. McIntosh, with good speed, will be used to cover tight ends and running backs downfield, players said. Fletcher also excels at pass coverage, which will allow the Redskins to toggle between him and McIntosh, leaving offenses wondering which linebacker will be dropping back on passing plays.
It will be interesting if all 3 LBs are 3-down LBs. I wouldn't completely count Marshal out, though, on 3rd downs unless McIntosh really impresses.
I'm not. Just watching how this plays out.
 
bcr8f said:
Interestng-"Putting my hand on the ground, I hadn't done it in awhile," Washington said. "But [defensive line] coach Greg Blache and the rest of the defensive line, they've been helping me through it and it's something I'm excited to do."The Redskins expect to have two new starting linebackers, Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh, who the team says has had a superior offseason and finally has a firm grip on the defense after a difficult rookie season. McIntosh, with good speed, will be used to cover tight ends and running backs downfield, players said. Fletcher also excels at pass coverage, which will allow the Redskins to toggle between him and McIntosh, leaving offenses wondering which linebacker will be dropping back on passing plays.
It will be interesting if all 3 LBs are 3-down LBs. I wouldn't completely count Marshal out, though, on 3rd downs unless McIntosh really impresses.
I'm not. Just watching how this plays out.
That all three are "three down LB's" doesnt' mean that Marshall can't and won't be used. Marshall's versatility may mean that they can use him to spell any one of these guys on any down if they so choose.
 
bcr8f said:
Interestng-"Putting my hand on the ground, I hadn't done it in awhile," Washington said. "But [defensive line] coach Greg Blache and the rest of the defensive line, they've been helping me through it and it's something I'm excited to do."The Redskins expect to have two new starting linebackers, Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh, who the team says has had a superior offseason and finally has a firm grip on the defense after a difficult rookie season. McIntosh, with good speed, will be used to cover tight ends and running backs downfield, players said. Fletcher also excels at pass coverage, which will allow the Redskins to toggle between him and McIntosh, leaving offenses wondering which linebacker will be dropping back on passing plays.
It will be interesting if all 3 LBs are 3-down LBs. I wouldn't completely count Marshal out, though, on 3rd downs unless McIntosh really impresses.
I'm not. Just watching how this plays out.
That all three are "three down LB's" doesnt' mean that Marshall can't and won't be used. Marshall's versatility may mean that they can use him to spell any one of these guys on any down if they so choose.
True, although I don't see him spelling Washington if Washington's role is almost exclusively as a rush end on passing downs. I think if Washington needs to be replaced, they'd bring in a DE as a replacement. I guess I could see three down linemen with Rocky and/or Fletcher blitzing from a standup position, but I just don't see any other LB with similar skills to Washington in that department.
 
bcr8f said:
Interestng-"Putting my hand on the ground, I hadn't done it in awhile," Washington said. "But [defensive line] coach Greg Blache and the rest of the defensive line, they've been helping me through it and it's something I'm excited to do."The Redskins expect to have two new starting linebackers, Fletcher and Rocky McIntosh, who the team says has had a superior offseason and finally has a firm grip on the defense after a difficult rookie season. McIntosh, with good speed, will be used to cover tight ends and running backs downfield, players said. Fletcher also excels at pass coverage, which will allow the Redskins to toggle between him and McIntosh, leaving offenses wondering which linebacker will be dropping back on passing plays.
It will be interesting if all 3 LBs are 3-down LBs. I wouldn't completely count Marshal out, though, on 3rd downs unless McIntosh really impresses.
I'm not. Just watching how this plays out.
That all three are "three down LB's" doesnt' mean that Marshall can't and won't be used. Marshall's versatility may mean that they can use him to spell any one of these guys on any down if they so choose.
True, although I don't see him spelling Washington if Washington's role is almost exclusively as a rush end on passing downs. I think if Washington needs to be replaced, they'd bring in a DE as a replacement. I guess I could see three down linemen with Rocky and/or Fletcher blitzing from a standup position, but I just don't see any other LB with similar skills to Washington in that department.
Agreed. The thing about Washington, though, is that he's coming off of hip surgery and I could see them wanting to keep him fresh by mixing Marshall in liberally. The way that that might play out is that Marshall ironically enough could be in on 1st and 2nd down, with Washington coming in on 2nd and 3rd downs in more obvious passing situations. This is all guesswork at this point though.
 
Update:

LB Marcus Washington is not yet the Marcus Washington of 2004 or 2005. He's still recovering from hip surgery. He's still working on having complete confidence in his body. He is taking most of the work at strong-side linebacker, but the team is being wise and giving him an occasional rest day. Washington is the Redskins' highest energy player, and the defense will be better when he's back to 100 percent mentally and physically.

NEWCOMER REPORT: H.B. Blades is picking things up quickly at middle linebacker. He's running with the second unit and is displaying the nose for the ball he showed at Pittsburgh. Blades has a knack for cutting through interference to get to ballcarriers. He's bright, aggressive and moves well from one end of the line to another. If Blades can maintain his intensity and not get hit by the wear and tear of training camp, he has a solid chance to make the roster and be a contributor in short-yardage situations and on special teams.
Washington's condition is certainly something to watch. As for Blades, yeah I'm a homer, but I've drafted and stashed him on both of my dynasty teams' taxi squads. He's got the makings IMHO of a guy like Lofa Tatupu, another instinctive yet undersized son of an NFL player entering the league with a chip on his shoulder. And Blades couldn't have picked a better guy than London Fletcher to be an understudy to. He'll have to wait two years, but I think Blades will be a fixture at MLB in Washington.

 
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Nice article on Rocky McIntosh who apparently has been working his tail off during this offseason and training camp:

McIntosh Is Up and at 'Em

By Jason La Canfora

Washington Post Staff Writer

Wednesday, August 15, 2007; Page E01

Gregg Williams pulled into Redskins Park around 9 a.m. Sunday, barely five hours after Washington's assistant head coach-defense arrived home from a preseason game at Tennessee. The players were off, and most were still in bed, but Rocky McIntosh's car was already in the lot, with the linebacker beating even his coaches to work.

Williams's staff had not begun to review the game film, but McIntosh was already watching tape, critiquing himself, eager for feedback. The extra session was an extension of McIntosh's offseason, in which he spent more time at Redskins Park studying, inquiring and working out than any player save for quarterback Jason Campbell. A year after being essentially left behind -- getting selected in the second round of the draft but starting only in the final two games -- McIntosh, 24, is determined to have a better season.

He has largely overcome deficiencies in his knowledge of defensive schemes and his pass-coverage abilities, and his grasp of the starting weak-side linebacker position is firm. His mind is catching up to his body, as evidenced by a strong performance against the Titans on Saturday, and it was all captured on film.

"He was excellent. He really graded out very well," Williams said. "He snapped the linemen's heads back, he snapped the fullback's head back. He ran to the football. Not only did he strike the blocks when he had to, but he was able to make plays on the ballcarrier when he had to as well.

"There was an offensive tackle that came out and just cut Rocky; he hit the ground and got right back up like lightning, just like our up-down drills, fighting, and hit the ballcarrier for a no-gain. I wish I could say I coached that, but it has nothing to do with me. That's all Rocky."

Attacking the football and delivering crunching hits came naturally to McIntosh at the University of Miami, but making his way in the NFL has been a chore. Williams's defensive system was more complex than any he'd seen before.

Last year's linebackers coach, Dale Lindsey, did not believe McIntosh was ready to play beyond special teams. Even in the final two games a year ago, when McIntosh started, he was feeling his way, able to use his explosiveness on one play but appearing puzzled the next.

McIntosh's teammates could sense his unease. While he honed his tackling skills and understanding of the game as a key member of special teams, McIntosh's stunted development overall was a source of consternation. Learning to read and react to offenses and drop back in pass coverage was all trial and error and his practice sessions were often shaky.

That's no longer the case. Teammates say McIntosh has taken to new linebackers coach Kirk Olivadotti, who is less gruff and more forgiving than Lindsey. And through long hours and dedication McIntosh has earned the respect and admiration of his coaches and peers. Williams also scaled back his system and curtailed the number of personnel packages after last season, wanting to free players like McIntosh to play with more abandon and aggression.

"Last year the wheels were turning so fast," said McIntosh, a soft-spoken, well-mannered native of Gaffney, S.C. "This year, they're turning a little bit slower because I put in more time towards it."

Said Williams, "I really appreciate his energy and urgency of wanting to improve, because I think he has a chance to be really good."

McIntosh has advanced to the point where he can take some tight end pass-coverage responsibilities from fellow linebacker Marcus Washington, Williams said.

"Rocky knows all the plays now and knows all of his adjustments," veteran linebacker Khary Campbell said. "What I notice now is when a play is called and he breaks the huddle, he's already on his checks and his assignments and adjustments right off the bat with no hesitation. . . . Now, it's like no wasted movement, no scrambling around, and he's just ready to come downhill."

Simple repetition means that McIntosh processes information much more quickly.

"He looks more comfortable, and he's more relaxed now," Washington said. "You have a sense that he really knows what he's doing, and of course that makes him faster, and you see his athletic ability now, because he knows what going, on and he's using his God-given ability now."

That's not to say all hurdles have been overcome. In terms of playing time, McIntosh is essentially still a rookie with much to learn.

In the Redskins' scrimmage with Baltimore on Aug. 4, for instance, he gave a "check," or personnel indication, that was actually the responsibility of middle linebacker London Fletcher. McIntosh then got tangled up in coverage of Ravens Pro Bowl tight end Todd Heap and failed to tackle him, allowing for a big gain down the middle of the field.

"Oh boy, did I hear about that one," said McIntosh, who has absorbed his fair share of verbal abuse in his brief career.

Williams paid special attention to determine if the problems recurred in Tennessee. At this point, the results came as no surprise. "We didn't see them rise up again," Williams said. "He's correcting them."
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Good news. Thanks. I hope he can stay healthy.

From the Skins blog-

Rocky McIntosh could be something special. The red flags on his knee are a concern - it could be something that bothers him long term - but he has been feeling great since getting scoped in the offseason and so far so good this summer. His extra film work shows. The speed and athleticism of the LBs had to make you guys smile Saturday. London Fletcher was The Truth out there ... It's still awful early, but that unit looks much improved.

 
Good news. Thanks. I hope he can stay healthy.From the Skins blog-Rocky McIntosh could be something special. The red flags on his knee are a concern - it could be something that bothers him long term - but he has been feeling great since getting scoped in the offseason and so far so good this summer. His extra film work shows. The speed and athleticism of the LBs had to make you guys smile Saturday. London Fletcher was The Truth out there ... It's still awful early, but that unit looks much improved.
Fletcher, McIntosh, and Washington combined for 11-3 in just under a half of play. By my count, the Titans gained only 24 yards on the 12 plays they were involved in. Only two of those plays (6 and 7 yards) were over 3 yards.
 
Good news. Thanks. I hope he can stay healthy.

From the Skins blog-

Rocky McIntosh could be something special. The red flags on his knee are a concern - it could be something that bothers him long term - but he has been feeling great since getting scoped in the offseason and so far so good this summer. His extra film work shows. The speed and athleticism of the LBs had to make you guys smile Saturday. London Fletcher was The Truth out there ... It's still awful early, but that unit looks much improved.
Fletcher, McIntosh, and Washington combined for 11-3 in just under a half of play. By my count, the Titans gained only 24 yards on the 12 plays they were involved in. Only two of those plays (6 and 7 yards) were over 3 yards.
And don't forget H. B. Blades who managed to combine for eight tackles of his own. One tackle was very impressive, a form tackle that picked up Chris Henry and pinioned him, on his back, at a point that was two/three yards behind the line of scrimmage. All this started from a point of initial contact that represented a two yard gain off left tackle/left guard. Blades flat nailed Henry who's an upright, staight-line, runner.
 
McIntosh was pretty active a gainst the Steelers. Made some mistakes but looked a lot more active.

From the Wa Post

Rocky McIntosh was relentless, in on six tackles in the first half, two pass deflections and hovering around anyone with the ball for the Steelers. The guy who didn't know any of Williams's schemes a year ago -- and, hence, didn't receive much playing time -- looked as comfortable from his linebacking position as he's been in his career here.

 
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McIntosh was pretty active a gainst the Steelers. Made some mistakes but looked a lot more active. From the Wa PostRocky McIntosh was relentless, in on six tackles in the first half, two pass deflections and hovering around anyone with the ball for the Steelers. The guy who didn't know any of Williams's schemes a year ago -- and, hence, didn't receive much playing time -- looked as comfortable from his linebacking position as he's been in his career here.
I didn't watch the game, but from what I've gathered from various accounts, the above if anything is an understatement. BTW, Marcus Washington dislocated his right elbow (not the left, surgically repaired one) and is expected to miss two weeks but be back in time for the season opener.
 
I watched the replay of the game yesterday and McIntosh looked phenominal. He was everywhere and looked very comfortable as he was very agressive and instinctive, the complete opposite of last year. He was particularly good in coverage.

 
An update on Marcus Washington from Redskins.com - it sounds like he dodged a bullet with that elbow dislocation:

Washington's Elbow Is Sore, But ImprovingBy Gary FitzgeraldRedskins.com August 19, 2007 Marcus Washington was in a joking mood on Sunday afternoon, even though his dislocated right elbow was still sore. "I'm trying to make my push for the Ed Block Courage Award," Washington said, responding to a question about his recent spate of injuries. "I think I have a pretty good chance this year." Jokes aside, Washington and Redskins coaches were relieved that the injury was not more serious. He sustained the injury during the second quarter of last Saturday's 12-10 loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers. His status is listed as day to day, but he is not expected to play in the Redskins' third preseason game on Aug. 25 against the Baltimore Ravens. "I feel a little sore, but it's better," Washington said on Sunday. "I have more strength." Asked how the injury happened, Washington said: "My hand got caught up between a couple of helmets, and it went numb on me. When I came up from the pile, it was out of place. "When we got in [to the athletic trainers room at FedExField], they took X-rays and popped it back in. [Team doctors] told me everything was going to be fine." Head coach Joe Gibbs said he anticipated a quick recovery, but he would not give a specific timetable for Washington's return. "We were waiting to see how much swelling there would be [on Sunday], and there was a moderate amount in his elbow, which is good news," Gibbs said. "His return will depend on how quick the swelling goes down and how quick he gets the strength back. "Marcus is an unusual guy. He'll probably come back quicker than anybody in this situation. Our medical staff has seen guys be out for one week and come back and play, and other times it has taken longer than that. We'll just have to go day-to-day." Washington, the Redskins' strong-side linebacker, played most of the first half with the first-team defense on Saturday. He recorded two tackles. Gibbs said defensive coaches would look at Lemar Marshall and Khary Campbell as replacements for Washington. Rookies H.B. Blades and Dallas Sartz could also get a look. Defensive coaches have been occasionally using Washington in a new role as a pass-rushing defensive lineman. Washington's absence from the lineup could slow that learning curve, although he did play defensive end in college. Said Washington: "We're going pretty hard in the preseason, and as a defense we're starting to go where we want to go. I'd hate to have to miss any regular season games, but it feels good to know that I won't be down too long."
 
I watched the game, and McIntosh looked incredible. What was most impressive to me were the quick reads he was making, and the way he would just fly to the ball. There was one play where he instantaneously recognized where the ball was going, and flew to the other side of the field to blow up the play.

He looked great in coverage, too. The only mistake I saw him make all game was getting flagged for an illegal contact penalty when he pushed Heath Miller down in the endzone at the end of the first half.

 

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