State of the Redskins' LB Corps (1 Viewer)

[Beaumont]

Is Lemar Marshall seriously DOA and safe to cut?

 

[redman]

Is Lemar Marshall seriously DOA and safe to cut?

I'd watch Marcus Washington's injury first, because Marshall figures to fill in for him while he's out. Washington only figures to be out at this point for 1-2 weeks and not miss any regular season action. I also think you should consider holding onto Marshall if you already have any of the three starting LB's for the 'Skins and your depth is otherwise thin as Marshall figures to be the primary backup to any/all of them.

 

[dgreen]

Is Lemar Marshall seriously DOA and safe to cut?

I'd watch Marcus Washington's injury first, because Marshall figures to fill in for him while he's out. Washington only figures to be out at this point for 1-2 weeks and not miss any regular season action. I also think you should consider holding onto Marshall if you already have any of the three starting LB's for the 'Skins and your depth is otherwise thin as Marshall figures to be the primary backup to any/all of them.

Khary Campbell is listed on the depth chart behind Washington at SLB. AND, Campbell is who replaced Washington during the game Saturday night. I just don't see Marshall being used at SLB. Marshall is listed as Rocky's backup at WLB. I could also see him replacing Fletcher at MLB instead of Blades, who is currently listed 2nd on the depth chart.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

I was very impressed with McIntosh. He is light years ahead of where he was last year.

 

[redman]

Is Lemar Marshall seriously DOA and safe to cut?

I'd watch Marcus Washington's injury first, because Marshall figures to fill in for him while he's out. Washington only figures to be out at this point for 1-2 weeks and not miss any regular season action. I also think you should consider holding onto Marshall if you already have any of the three starting LB's for the 'Skins and your depth is otherwise thin as Marshall figures to be the primary backup to any/all of them.

Khary Campbell is listed on the depth chart behind Washington at SLB. AND, Campbell is who replaced Washington during the game Saturday night. I just don't see Marshall being used at SLB. Marshall is listed as Rocky's backup at WLB. I could also see him replacing Fletcher at MLB instead of Blades, who is currently listed 2nd on the depth chart.

The articles on Washington's injury have stated Marshall is in the mix to replace him at SLB too, but you're correct on both points.

 

[dgreen]

Is Lemar Marshall seriously DOA and safe to cut?

I'd watch Marcus Washington's injury first, because Marshall figures to fill in for him while he's out. Washington only figures to be out at this point for 1-2 weeks and not miss any regular season action. I also think you should consider holding onto Marshall if you already have any of the three starting LB's for the 'Skins and your depth is otherwise thin as Marshall figures to be the primary backup to any/all of them.

Khary Campbell is listed on the depth chart behind Washington at SLB. AND, Campbell is who replaced Washington during the game Saturday night. I just don't see Marshall being used at SLB. Marshall is listed as Rocky's backup at WLB. I could also see him replacing Fletcher at MLB instead of Blades, who is currently listed 2nd on the depth chart.

The articles on Washington's injury have stated Marshall is in the mix to replace him at SLB too, but you're correct on both points.

Well, Marshall no longer in the mix.Can Godfrey backup at SLB? Is Washington worse than expected?

 

[Sidewinder16]

Is Lemar Marshall seriously DOA and safe to cut?

I'd watch Marcus Washington's injury first, because Marshall figures to fill in for him while he's out. Washington only figures to be out at this point for 1-2 weeks and not miss any regular season action. I also think you should consider holding onto Marshall if you already have any of the three starting LB's for the 'Skins and your depth is otherwise thin as Marshall figures to be the primary backup to any/all of them.

Khary Campbell is listed on the depth chart behind Washington at SLB. AND, Campbell is who replaced Washington during the game Saturday night. I just don't see Marshall being used at SLB. Marshall is listed as Rocky's backup at WLB. I could also see him replacing Fletcher at MLB instead of Blades, who is currently listed 2nd on the depth chart.

The articles on Washington's injury have stated Marshall is in the mix to replace him at SLB too, but you're correct on both points.

Well, Marshall no longer in the mix.Can Godfrey backup at SLB? Is Washington worse than expected?

I want to believe that if Washington's injury was really bad they would have cut someone other than a LB to bring Godfrey in. It just doesn't make sense to cut a LB if you're trying to add LB depth.Godfrey played under Williams in Tennessee, and Marshall is an average NFL LB, at best. I don't know whether Godfrey is really an upgrade or not, though.What's the word on why SD didn't opt to keep Godfrey? Was it his play, his injuries, a youth movement, all of the above?

 

[redman]

Is Lemar Marshall seriously DOA and safe to cut?

I'd watch Marcus Washington's injury first, because Marshall figures to fill in for him while he's out. Washington only figures to be out at this point for 1-2 weeks and not miss any regular season action. I also think you should consider holding onto Marshall if you already have any of the three starting LB's for the 'Skins and your depth is otherwise thin as Marshall figures to be the primary backup to any/all of them.

Khary Campbell is listed on the depth chart behind Washington at SLB. AND, Campbell is who replaced Washington during the game Saturday night. I just don't see Marshall being used at SLB. Marshall is listed as Rocky's backup at WLB. I could also see him replacing Fletcher at MLB instead of Blades, who is currently listed 2nd on the depth chart.

The articles on Washington's injury have stated Marshall is in the mix to replace him at SLB too, but you're correct on both points.

Well, Marshall no longer in the mix.Can Godfrey backup at SLB? Is Washington worse than expected?

I want to believe that if Washington's injury was really bad they would have cut someone other than a LB to bring Godfrey in. It just doesn't make sense to cut a LB if you're trying to add LB depth.Godfrey played under Williams in Tennessee, and Marshall is an average NFL LB, at best. I don't know whether Godfrey is really an upgrade or not, though.

What's the word on why SD didn't opt to keep Godfrey? Was it his play, his injuries, a youth movement, all of the above?

I don't know the answer, but SD has a huge number of good, young LB prospects. I have a feeling this is a youth movement.

 

[Sidewinder16]

What's the word on why SD didn't opt to keep Godfrey? Was it his play, his injuries, a youth movement, all of the above?

I don't know the answer, but SD has a huge number of good, young LB prospects. I have a feeling this is a youth movement.

Any San Diego homers have anymore insight into Godfrey? Is he a decent pick up/upgrade over Marshall? Anyone believe he has anything left in the tank?

 

[lawrence phillips]

McIntosh is fast becoming an intriguing sleeper here.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.d.../108220085/1023

For most of last season Washington's defensive coaches didn't trust Rocky McIntosh enough to play him a snap. Yesterday, the Redskins gave McIntosh a huge endorsement by cutting Lemar Marshall, his main competition at weak-side linebacker and a starter the past three years.

The surprising development wasn't just a knock at Marshall, who slumped in 2006 after playing well on the weak side in 2004 and in the middle in 2005. The move also was a testament to the rapid development of second-year man McIntosh, who was arguably the best player on the field during Saturday's preseason game with Pittsburgh. He flashed constantly while making seven tackles, the last one a shared stop of Verron Haynes for a 4-yard loss on first-and-goal at the 4.

“Rocky was very impressive,” Redskins coach Joe Gibbs said.

McIntosh, Washington's first pick (35th overall) in the 2006 draft, struggled noticeably in pass coverage as a rookie. That deficiency surfaced again in the Aug. 4 scrimmage at Baltimore, where Ravens Pro Bowl tight end Todd Heap burned him for a 17-yard catch. But against Pittsburgh, McIntosh dumped elusive receiver Hines Ward for a 4-yard loss. He also shared a sack with cornerback Shawn Springs and knocked away a pass intended for receiver Cedrick Wilson.

 

[redman]

More on McIntosh, who will face up against Todd Heap this weekend in coverage in an interesting test:

So Far, McIntosh's Hard Work Is Paying OffBy Gary FitzgeraldRedskins.com August 22, 2007 Rocky McIntosh doesn't like it when anyone beats him--not even in a scrimmage. That's what happened in the Redskins-Ravens scrimmage on Aug. 4 at M&T Bank Stadium. McIntosh let tight end Todd Heap pull in a pass in front of him, then slide past him for a 17-yard gain. The play so bothered McIntosh that he put an emphasis on his pass coverage skills the next week in practice. "He had a couple of errors in the scrimmage against Baltimore, but the very next week we didn't see them rise up again," McIntosh said. "He's correcting them." Three weeks later, McIntosh gets a second chance against Heap and the Ravens, as the Redskins host Baltimore this Saturday night at FedExField. "I watched him on Sunday night [in the Ravens-Giants preseason game]," McIntosh said. "We'll see what he does. He's a great tight end, but we'll see what I can do, too." So far this preseason, McIntosh has turned heads with his strong play. In last Saturday's game against the Pittsburg Steelers, he helped lead a defensive stand that kept the Steelers out of the end zone at the end of the first half. Overall, McIntosh recorded seven tackles (four solo) and two passes defended in the game. And he was back at Redskins Park early on Sunday morning reviewing his performance on film. "I was up here pretty early again, I was here too early because I thought we had to lift weights in the morning," he said. "So I had to go run and grab some breakfast, and then come back." Said Williams: "Rocky is very coach-able. It's one thing for a coach to force something down your throat, but Rocky is in here bright and early, before the coaches started grading the film. "He goes through the practices and he goes through the game film. He comes in and gets individual things because he wants to know and he wants to be really good. That's special. I really appreciate his energy and his urgency in wanting to improve." McIntosh was the Redskins' top draft pick in 2006. The club, without a first-round draft pick, traded up in the second round to grab 6-2, 232-pound weak-side linebacker. McIntosh played sparingly on defense as a rookie, although he excelled on special teams. He finally earned a starting assignment the last two weeks of the regular season, and recorded 20 tackles. This offseason, McIntosh was anointed the starting job at weak-side linebacker, replacing the departed Warrick Holdman. He responded by being among the most dedicated participants in the Redskins' off-season workout program. "It was no problem for me," he said. "If you want to get better, you have to put in the hard work, and then go and do it. I stayed here in the offseason to get better, and hopefully it will pay off." During training camp, McIntosh was expected to compete with Lemar Marshall for the weak-side job, but that competition never materialized. Marshall was released earlier this week. Is all this a turning point in McIntosh's career? "Maybe...I don't know, we'll see," he said. "Right now it's just preseason. We still have 16-17 games to go. We'll see when the season is done." McIntosk keeps his mindset on the here and now--and that means the Baltimore Ravens this Saturday night. The Redskins' defense has been impressive in the early going, but McIntosh only sees room for improvement. He wants to see more pressure on opposing quarterbacks. And he wants the defense to force more turnovers. "As a defense, we still have a lot of areas to improve," he said. "We're putting a big emphasis on turnovers right now. That's what we need to start doing."

 

[bcr8f]

He sure seems to have a winning attitude.

 

[BoltBacker]

What's the word on why SD didn't opt to keep Godfrey? Was it his play, his injuries, a youth movement, all of the above?

I don't know the answer, but SD has a huge number of good, young LB prospects. I have a feeling this is a youth movement.

Any San Diego homers have anymore insight into Godfrey? Is he a decent pick up/upgrade over Marshall? Anyone believe he has anything left in the tank?

In order...- youth movement (they've been grooming Wilhelm/Cooper for quite awhile and extended their contracts last year so it was their time and they were able to get good value with Dobbins/Siler/Waters in the draft to groom behind Wilhelm/Cooper to provide depth)

- his play (he's very solid and professional but at 35 I don't think of him as a 10+ game starter anymore)

- injuries (probably contributed to a slight decline in level of play but for the most part he was really good about playing through injuries..... Godfrey/Edwards game-in-game-out consistency will be sorely missed in SD)

I like Godfrey a lot but I was pretty stunned WAS they parted with the versatility Marshall had provided their LB corp, especially with Blades looking so good behind Fletcher. I can only guess that their presence in the locker-room were factors in the decision but again it's just a guess. I kind of would have guessed Godfrey would end up a mid-season injury replacement for the Patriots. He's that type of smart veteran guy that has seen it all and you can just plug in a limited role and he'll do well. I hope he does well in WAS.

 

[Sidewinder16]

What's the word on why SD didn't opt to keep Godfrey? Was it his play, his injuries, a youth movement, all of the above?

I don't know the answer, but SD has a huge number of good, young LB prospects. I have a feeling this is a youth movement.

Any San Diego homers have anymore insight into Godfrey? Is he a decent pick up/upgrade over Marshall? Anyone believe he has anything left in the tank?

In order...- youth movement (they've been grooming Wilhelm/Cooper for quite awhile and extended their contracts last year so it was their time and they were able to get good value with Dobbins/Siler/Waters in the draft to groom behind Wilhelm/Cooper to provide depth)

- his play (he's very solid and professional but at 35 I don't think of him as a 10+ game starter anymore)

- injuries (probably contributed to a slight decline in level of play but for the most part he was really good about playing through injuries..... Godfrey/Edwards game-in-game-out consistency will be sorely missed in SD)

I like Godfrey a lot but I was pretty stunned WAS they parted with the versatility Marshall had provided their LB corp, especially with Blades looking so good behind Fletcher. I can only guess that their presence in the locker-room were factors in the decision but again it's just a guess. I kind of would have guessed Godfrey would end up a mid-season injury replacement for the Patriots. He's that type of smart veteran guy that has seen it all and you can just plug in a limited role and he'll do well. I hope he does well in WAS.

Thanks BoltBacker!I think most people were at least a little at Marshall's release. So far, from everything I'm getting, they decided that the trade off between Marshall's versatility and Godfrey's talent/smarts was an overall upgrade. I'm hoping they're right. As a 'Skins fan I would have been happier if they had released Khary Campbell instead of Marshall.

 

[BoltBacker]

What's the word on why SD didn't opt to keep Godfrey? Was it his play, his injuries, a youth movement, all of the above?

I don't know the answer, but SD has a huge number of good, young LB prospects. I have a feeling this is a youth movement.

Any San Diego homers have anymore insight into Godfrey? Is he a decent pick up/upgrade over Marshall? Anyone believe he has anything left in the tank?

In order...- youth movement (they've been grooming Wilhelm/Cooper for quite awhile and extended their contracts last year so it was their time and they were able to get good value with Dobbins/Siler/Waters in the draft to groom behind Wilhelm/Cooper to provide depth)

- his play (he's very solid and professional but at 35 I don't think of him as a 10+ game starter anymore)

- injuries (probably contributed to a slight decline in level of play but for the most part he was really good about playing through injuries..... Godfrey/Edwards game-in-game-out consistency will be sorely missed in SD)

I like Godfrey a lot but I was pretty stunned WAS they parted with the versatility Marshall had provided their LB corp, especially with Blades looking so good behind Fletcher. I can only guess that their presence in the locker-room were factors in the decision but again it's just a guess. I kind of would have guessed Godfrey would end up a mid-season injury replacement for the Patriots. He's that type of smart veteran guy that has seen it all and you can just plug in a limited role and he'll do well. I hope he does well in WAS.

Thanks BoltBacker!I think most people were at least a little at Marshall's release. So far, from everything I'm getting, they decided that the trade off between Marshall's versatility and Godfrey's talent/smarts was an overall upgrade. I'm hoping they're right. As a 'Skins fan I would have been happier if they had released Khary Campbell instead of Marshall.

Now that's interesting to me. As a WAS homer what are your thoughts on Cambell??? From the outside looking in it looks like Rocky/Blades and a bunch of ol' folks running around in the WAS LB corp so with the last spot on my roster I stashed Cambell hoping he has the opportunity to fill in if there's an injury. Too hopeful on my part or think he see's playing time if Washington(or even Rocky) go down?

 

[redman]

What's the word on why SD didn't opt to keep Godfrey? Was it his play, his injuries, a youth movement, all of the above?

I don't know the answer, but SD has a huge number of good, young LB prospects. I have a feeling this is a youth movement.

Any San Diego homers have anymore insight into Godfrey? Is he a decent pick up/upgrade over Marshall? Anyone believe he has anything left in the tank?

In order...- youth movement (they've been grooming Wilhelm/Cooper for quite awhile and extended their contracts last year so it was their time and they were able to get good value with Dobbins/Siler/Waters in the draft to groom behind Wilhelm/Cooper to provide depth)

- his play (he's very solid and professional but at 35 I don't think of him as a 10+ game starter anymore)

- injuries (probably contributed to a slight decline in level of play but for the most part he was really good about playing through injuries..... Godfrey/Edwards game-in-game-out consistency will be sorely missed in SD)

I like Godfrey a lot but I was pretty stunned WAS they parted with the versatility Marshall had provided their LB corp, especially with Blades looking so good behind Fletcher. I can only guess that their presence in the locker-room were factors in the decision but again it's just a guess. I kind of would have guessed Godfrey would end up a mid-season injury replacement for the Patriots. He's that type of smart veteran guy that has seen it all and you can just plug in a limited role and he'll do well. I hope he does well in WAS.

Thanks BoltBacker!I think most people were at least a little at Marshall's release. So far, from everything I'm getting, they decided that the trade off between Marshall's versatility and Godfrey's talent/smarts was an overall upgrade. I'm hoping they're right. As a 'Skins fan I would have been happier if they had released Khary Campbell instead of Marshall.

Now that's interesting to me. As a WAS homer what are your thoughts on Cambell??? From the outside looking in it looks like Rocky/Blades and a bunch of ol' folks running around in the WAS LB corp so with the last spot on my roster I stashed Cambell hoping he has the opportunity to fill in if there's an injury. Too hopeful on my part or think he see's playing time if Washington(or even Rocky) go down?

Honestly, Campbell is next to valueless as an IDP. He's primarily a special teamer and would only see the field in the event of injuries (emphasizing the plural) to the starters and the primary backups. On the rare occasions that Campbell has started over the years he's shown nothing. Blades is the MLB of the future and has shown enough at the Sam (amazingly enough, given his small size) during the preseason that he figures to be the primary backup at both positions, and perhaps at Will too if necessary. As I've been saying all summer, grab Blades and stash him on your taxi squad because in two years you're going to have a IDP starter, if not a stud.

 

[stevegamer]

Whats' your take on Blades vs. McIntosh as prospects? Is it akin to being forced to pick between two kinds of ice cream you really like?

 

[redman]

Whats' your take on Blades vs. McIntosh as prospects? Is it akin to being forced to pick between two kinds of ice cream you really like?

If I'm choosing between the two today, then it's McIntosh hands down. He looks like an absolute monster and figures to pay dividends immediately. Blades has the misfortune (if you want to look at it this way) of being drafted onto a team with Fletcher occupying the middle. In truth, he couldn't have a better mentor as an undersized MLB, but he won't be starting there for two seasons, which is how long I figure they'll keep Fletcher around if Blades develops as expected. So for IDP purposes, McIntosh looks like an immediate IDP starter, and Blades looks like a good taxi squad prospect.

 

[BoltBacker]

Blades is the MLB of the future and has shown enough at the Sam (amazingly enough, given his small size) during the preseason that he figures to be the primary backup at both positions, and perhaps at Will too if necessary. As I've been saying all summer, grab Blades and stash him on your taxi squad because in two years you're going to have a IDP starter, if not a stud.

Wow, sounds like I need a new man on the end of the bench... I was under the impression Cambell was the backup at both S/W and Blades was just backing up M atleast before the arrival of Godfrey.

 

[stevegamer]

Whats' your take on Blades vs. McIntosh as prospects? Is it akin to being forced to pick between two kinds of ice cream you really like?

If I'm choosing between the two today, then it's McIntosh hands down. He looks like an absolute monster and figures to pay dividends immediately. Blades has the misfortune (if you want to look at it this way) of being drafted onto a team with Fletcher occupying the middle. In truth, he couldn't have a better mentor as an undersized MLB, but he won't be starting there for two seasons, which is how long I figure they'll keep Fletcher around if Blades develops as expected. So for IDP purposes, McIntosh looks like an immediate IDP starter, and Blades looks like a good taxi squad prospect.

Thanks. I picked up Blades when he was cut, but I still have to cut some more - it's out in the IDP AC forum.I have them both, and don't really have room for too long term of a LB project - have McIntosh, Tulloch, Keiaho, Poz already. I grabbed him him to go with Digiorgio as a just in case guy.

 

[Sidewinder16]

Now that's interesting to me. As a WAS homer what are your thoughts on Cambell??? From the outside looking in it looks like Rocky/Blades and a bunch of ol' folks running around in the WAS LB corp so with the last spot on my roster I stashed Cambell hoping he has the opportunity to fill in if there's an injury. Too hopeful on my part or think he see's playing time if Washington(or even Rocky) go down?

Honestly, Campbell is next to valueless as an IDP. He's primarily a special teamer and would only see the field in the event of injuries (emphasizing the plural) to the starters and the primary backups.

I agree with redman. The redskins.com depth chart has Campbell backing up at SLB, but I can't imagine Blades or Godfrey not filling in for Marcus Washington if/when needed, over Campbell.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

Let me ask an opinion....

in my IDP league I can drop Marcus Washington and Get Wilhelm of the Chargers.

I see Wilhelm with a bunch of tackles this year but not many big plays.

What's the outlook on M.Washington out of DC as far as stats this year?? Will he be healthy enough to start the season and put up good numbers?

 

[dgreen]

Let me ask an opinion....in my IDP league I can drop Marcus Washington and Get Wilhelm of the Chargers.I see Wilhelm with a bunch of tackles this year but not many big plays.What's the outlook on M.Washington out of DC as far as stats this year?? Will he be healthy enough to start the season and put up good numbers?

It looks like he'll be ready for week one. For season totals, assuming 16 games, I think you can expect:Tot - 95Solo - 75Assist - 20Sacks - 5PD - 5INT - 0FF -1FR - 1But, I wouldn't expect too much consistency in the tackles. He's going to be the SLB and play DE on passing downs. Plus, I'm not too high on his health. I think there's a pretty good reason they brought in a vet like Godfrey.

 

[NYCGangGreen]

Let me ask an opinion....in my IDP league I can drop Marcus Washington and Get Wilhelm of the Chargers.I see Wilhelm with a bunch of tackles this year but not many big plays.What's the outlook on M.Washington out of DC as far as stats this year?? Will he be healthy enough to start the season and put up good numbers?

It looks like he'll be ready for week one. For season totals, assuming 16 games, I think you can expect:Tot - 95Solo - 75Assist - 20Sacks - 5PD - 5INT - 0FF -1FR - 1But, I wouldn't expect too much consistency in the tackles. He's going to be the SLB and play DE on passing downs. Plus, I'm not too high on his health. I think there's a pretty good reason they brought in a vet like Godfrey.

Who would you see with better value in IDP then Wilhelm or Washington?

 

[dgreen]

Let me ask an opinion....

in my IDP league I can drop Marcus Washington and Get Wilhelm of the Chargers.

I see Wilhelm with a bunch of tackles this year but not many big plays.

What's the outlook on M.Washington out of DC as far as stats this year?? Will he be healthy enough to start the season and put up good numbers?

It looks like he'll be ready for week one. For season totals, assuming 16 games, I think you can expect:Tot - 95

Solo - 75

Assist - 20

Sacks - 5

PD - 5

INT - 0

FF -1

FR - 1

But, I wouldn't expect too much consistency in the tackles. He's going to be the SLB and play DE on passing downs. Plus, I'm not too high on his health. I think there's a pretty good reason they brought in a vet like Godfrey.

Who would you see with better value in IDP then Wilhelm or Washington?

I'm not qualified to do Wilhelm projections. And, I'm not sure you'll get a response in a Skins thread about that. I'd take that question to the IDP AC Forum. Most of the hardcore IDP guys are really good at answering questions in there.

 

[bcr8f]

Redskins LB Washington Hopes To Play

Jason La Confora, Washington Post -

Redskins LB Marcus Washington participated fully in practices Monday and hopes to play while recovering from a dislocated right elbow. He will be waring a brace that he said has little impact on his ability to play, but he's still going to be cautious this week so as to not further aggravate the injury. "It's my first time ever dislocating anything like that," Washington said. "I'm sure I'll have to take care of it until it feels better. I'll to try to be smart about it and continue to get treatment on it."

 

[Sidewinder16]

Redskins LB Washington Hopes To Play

Jason La Confora, Washington Post -

Redskins LB Marcus Washington participated fully in practices Monday and hopes to play while recovering from a dislocated right elbow. He will be waring a brace that he said has little impact on his ability to play, but he's still going to be cautious this week so as to not further aggravate the injury. "It's my first time ever dislocating anything like that," Washington said. "I'm sure I'll have to take care of it until it feels better. I'll to try to be smart about it and continue to get treatment on it."

From Jason's blog today:

I have a feeling if Marcus Washington does play we won't be seeing him with his hand down on third-down just yet. That dislocated elbow is no joke. Rookie Chris Wilson could end up getting the rush end duties in the nickel package and the onus will be on Rocky McIntosh and London Fletcher to take care of business in coverage in that package.