State Senator tells churches "pay your taxes" (1 Viewer)

[Officer Pete Malloy]

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Nebraska state Sen. Ernie Chambers’ new bill aimed at eliminating state property tax exemptions for religious organizations is set for review by the Legislature's Revenue Committee Friday.

Bill LB675, which was introduced by the openly atheist lawmaker on Jan. 8, attempts to “gain more revenue, rather than less, by taking away churches’ property tax exemptions,” according to Chambers’ Statement of Intent.

Although the measure will most likely be killed in committee, Chambers argued in the statement:

The Governor and candidates for governor have said that “everything should be on the table.” If taxes were paid on the many churches and cathedrals and temples in every city in this State, perhaps the State’s assistance to local governments and schools would be diminished considerably -- leaving more in State coffers for other purposes.

The popular Nebraska senator also advised religious organizations to “carry out the directives of Jesus who said, ‘Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.'”

“In short: PAY YOUR TAXES,” Chambers wrote. By passing this bill, legislators would, in effect, be fulfilling scripture, Chambers claimed.

"And this should be one of the easiest bills to pass that I've ever offered to the Legislature,” Chambers added.

In 2007, Chambers filed a lawsuit against God for causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

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[DSP]

Me too

 

[Parrothead]

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Why do you think churches should be exempt from paying taxes?

 

[dozer]

Why do you think churches should be exempt from paying taxes?

Obviously he's a big fan of government subsidies.

 

[DiStefano]

Why do you think churches should be exempt from paying taxes?

Obviously he's a big fan of government subsidies.

Ah, yes. The government giveth and the government taketh away; blessed be the name of the government.

 

[Scoresman]

sounds fair to me, especially considering how many religious organizations want to stick their nose in government functions. You wanna do that, you should have to pay up.

 

[kface]

I never understood why they are allowed to avoid taxes. They should 100% have to pay their fair share.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Why do you think churches should be exempt from paying taxes?

Obviously he's a big fan of government subsidies.

Ah, yes. The government giveth and the government taketh away; blessed be the name of the government.

Hm, there's quite a lot here.

1. I think freedom of religion means the state leaves the religious institutions alone. Completely.

And I mean even the fake bs preachers.

The subsidy argument is bogus. I've heard that before and the crux of it means turning all property into some sort of government subsidy to the degree to which you keep it. Frankly, I think it works the other way around.

 

[Jayrod]

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Nebraska state Sen. Ernie Chambers’ new bill aimed at eliminating state property tax exemptions for religious organizations is set for review by the Legislature's Revenue Committee Friday.

Bill LB675, which was introduced by the openly atheist lawmaker on Jan. 8, attempts to “gain more revenue, rather than less, by taking away churches’ property tax exemptions,” according to Chambers’ Statement of Intent.

Although the measure will most likely be killed in committee, Chambers argued in the statement:

The Governor and candidates for governor have said that “everything should be on the table.” If taxes were paid on the many churches and cathedrals and temples in every city in this State, perhaps the State’s assistance to local governments and schools would be diminished considerably -- leaving more in State coffers for other purposes.

The popular Nebraska senator also advised religious organizations to “carry out the directives of Jesus who said, ‘Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.'”

“In short: PAY YOUR TAXES,” Chambers wrote. By passing this bill, legislators would, in effect, be fulfilling scripture, Chambers claimed.

"And this should be one of the easiest bills to pass that I've ever offered to the Legislature,” Chambers added.

In 2007, Chambers filed a lawsuit against God for causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

I like this cat.

This is a very ignorant concept. Churches do more to aid society than any government program. The complete impact is immeasurable. They are entirely funded by donations by people who already pay a lot of taxes. They are not for profit entities, and provide a large quantity of valuable services for the community including but not limited to emergency shelters, hosting public events, voting locations, blood drives, homeless shelters, food charities, mental health services, financial aid, counseling and medical services.

Could they afford to pay property taxes? Some can but some would really take a hit and what is the local government going to do with the money? The whole concept is that they are providing services the government is either unable or ineffective at providing, so they let them keep their money to do more for society.

Just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye to the good that is done.

 

[Black Box]

Usually trolls choose to remain anonymous on the Internet.

 

[kface]

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Nebraska state Sen. Ernie Chambers’ new bill aimed at eliminating state property tax exemptions for religious organizations is set for review by the Legislature's Revenue Committee Friday.

Bill LB675, which was introduced by the openly atheist lawmaker on Jan. 8, attempts to “gain more revenue, rather than less, by taking away churches’ property tax exemptions,” according to Chambers’ Statement of Intent.

Although the measure will most likely be killed in committee, Chambers argued in the statement:

The Governor and candidates for governor have said that “everything should be on the table.” If taxes were paid on the many churches and cathedrals and temples in every city in this State, perhaps the State’s assistance to local governments and schools would be diminished considerably -- leaving more in State coffers for other purposes.

The popular Nebraska senator also advised religious organizations to “carry out the directives of Jesus who said, ‘Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.'”

“In short: PAY YOUR TAXES,” Chambers wrote. By passing this bill, legislators would, in effect, be fulfilling scripture, Chambers claimed.

"And this should be one of the easiest bills to pass that I've ever offered to the Legislature,” Chambers added.

In 2007, Chambers filed a lawsuit against God for causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

I like this cat.

This is a very ignorant concept. Churches do more to aid society than any government program. The complete impact is immeasurable. They are entirely funded by donations by people who already pay a lot of taxes. They are not for profit entities, and provide a large quantity of valuable services for the community including but not limited to emergency shelters, hosting public events, voting locations, blood drives, homeless shelters, food charities, mental health services, financial aid, counseling and medical services.

Could they afford to pay property taxes? Some can but some would really take a hit and what is the local government going to do with the money? The whole concept is that they are providing services the government is either unable or ineffective at providing, so they let them keep their money to do more for society.

Just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye to the good that is done.

By this theory shouldn't all not-for-profits therefore not have to pay property tax?

 

[Scoresman]

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Nebraska state Sen. Ernie Chambers’ new bill aimed at eliminating state property tax exemptions for religious organizations is set for review by the Legislature's Revenue Committee Friday.

Bill LB675, which was introduced by the openly atheist lawmaker on Jan. 8, attempts to “gain more revenue, rather than less, by taking away churches’ property tax exemptions,” according to Chambers’ Statement of Intent.

Although the measure will most likely be killed in committee, Chambers argued in the statement:

The Governor and candidates for governor have said that “everything should be on the table.” If taxes were paid on the many churches and cathedrals and temples in every city in this State, perhaps the State’s assistance to local governments and schools would be diminished considerably -- leaving more in State coffers for other purposes.

The popular Nebraska senator also advised religious organizations to “carry out the directives of Jesus who said, ‘Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.'”

“In short: PAY YOUR TAXES,” Chambers wrote. By passing this bill, legislators would, in effect, be fulfilling scripture, Chambers claimed.

"And this should be one of the easiest bills to pass that I've ever offered to the Legislature,” Chambers added.

In 2007, Chambers filed a lawsuit against God for causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

I like this cat.

This is a very ignorant concept. Churches do more to aid society than any government program. The complete impact is immeasurable. They are entirely funded by donations by people who already pay a lot of taxes. They are not for profit entities, and provide a large quantity of valuable services for the community including but not limited to emergency shelters, hosting public events, voting locations, blood drives, homeless shelters, food charities, mental health services, financial aid, counseling and medical services.

Could they afford to pay property taxes? Some can but some would really take a hit and what is the local government going to do with the money? The whole concept is that they are providing services the government is either unable or ineffective at providing, so they let them keep their money to do more for society.

Just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye to the good that is done.

how much money did the Mormon church use for charity vs. how much they payed to make sure prop 8 passed in California?

 

[Jayrod]

sounds fair to me, especially considering how many religious organizations want to stick their nose in government functions. You wanna do that, you should have to pay up.

They aren't legally allowed to provide support to political campaigns, but as a group of like minded individuals, it isn't that tough of a concept that they vote in accord with one another and are occasionally directed by their leadership to vote a certain way on certain issues. Every non-profit organization does this when an issue that is important to them is on the ballot.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

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Nebraska state Sen. Ernie Chambers’ new bill aimed at eliminating state property tax exemptions for religious organizations is set for review by the Legislature's Revenue Committee Friday.

Bill LB675, which was introduced by the openly atheist lawmaker on Jan. 8, attempts to “gain more revenue, rather than less, by taking away churches’ property tax exemptions,” according to Chambers’ Statement of Intent.

Although the measure will most likely be killed in committee, Chambers argued in the statement:

The Governor and candidates for governor have said that “everything should be on the table.” If taxes were paid on the many churches and cathedrals and temples in every city in this State, perhaps the State’s assistance to local governments and schools would be diminished considerably -- leaving more in State coffers for other purposes.

The popular Nebraska senator also advised religious organizations to “carry out the directives of Jesus who said, ‘Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.'”

“In short: PAY YOUR TAXES,” Chambers wrote. By passing this bill, legislators would, in effect, be fulfilling scripture, Chambers claimed.

"And this should be one of the easiest bills to pass that I've ever offered to the Legislature,” Chambers added.

In 2007, Chambers filed a lawsuit against God for causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

I like this cat.

This is a very ignorant concept. Churches do more to aid society than any government program. The complete impact is immeasurable. They are entirely funded by donations by people who already pay a lot of taxes. They are not for profit entities, and provide a large quantity of valuable services for the community including but not limited to emergency shelters, hosting public events, voting locations, blood drives, homeless shelters, food charities, mental health services, financial aid, counseling and medical services.

Could they afford to pay property taxes? Some can but some would really take a hit and what is the local government going to do with the money? The whole concept is that they are providing services the government is either unable or ineffective at providing, so they let them keep their money to do more for society.

Just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye to the good that is done.

I tend to agree with you there but if not churches themselves, why not clergy?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Are any secular organizations in NE exempted from property taxes, or is it only churches? That seems to be a pretty important point that isn't addressed in the article.

 

[Jayrod]

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Nebraska state Sen. Ernie Chambers’ new bill aimed at eliminating state property tax exemptions for religious organizations is set for review by the Legislature's Revenue Committee Friday.

Bill LB675, which was introduced by the openly atheist lawmaker on Jan. 8, attempts to “gain more revenue, rather than less, by taking away churches’ property tax exemptions,” according to Chambers’ Statement of Intent.

Although the measure will most likely be killed in committee, Chambers argued in the statement:

The Governor and candidates for governor have said that “everything should be on the table.” If taxes were paid on the many churches and cathedrals and temples in every city in this State, perhaps the State’s assistance to local governments and schools would be diminished considerably -- leaving more in State coffers for other purposes.

The popular Nebraska senator also advised religious organizations to “carry out the directives of Jesus who said, ‘Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.'”

“In short: PAY YOUR TAXES,” Chambers wrote. By passing this bill, legislators would, in effect, be fulfilling scripture, Chambers claimed.

"And this should be one of the easiest bills to pass that I've ever offered to the Legislature,” Chambers added.

In 2007, Chambers filed a lawsuit against God for causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

I like this cat.

This is a very ignorant concept. Churches do more to aid society than any government program. The complete impact is immeasurable. They are entirely funded by donations by people who already pay a lot of taxes. They are not for profit entities, and provide a large quantity of valuable services for the community including but not limited to emergency shelters, hosting public events, voting locations, blood drives, homeless shelters, food charities, mental health services, financial aid, counseling and medical services.

Could they afford to pay property taxes? Some can but some would really take a hit and what is the local government going to do with the money? The whole concept is that they are providing services the government is either unable or ineffective at providing, so they let them keep their money to do more for society.

Just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye to the good that is done.

By this theory shouldn't all not-for-profits therefore not have to pay property tax?

What theory is that?

 

[Black Box]

Are any secular organizations in NE exempted from property taxes, or is it only churches? That seems to be a pretty important point that isn't addressed in the article.

If you read his submitted state bill (first link in the quote in the OP), he just went through the current law and crossed out the word "religious".

Troll is trolling.

 

[kface]

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Nebraska state Sen. Ernie Chambers’ new bill aimed at eliminating state property tax exemptions for religious organizations is set for review by the Legislature's Revenue Committee Friday.

Bill LB675, which was introduced by the openly atheist lawmaker on Jan. 8, attempts to “gain more revenue, rather than less, by taking away churches’ property tax exemptions,” according to Chambers’ Statement of Intent.

Although the measure will most likely be killed in committee, Chambers argued in the statement:

The Governor and candidates for governor have said that “everything should be on the table.” If taxes were paid on the many churches and cathedrals and temples in every city in this State, perhaps the State’s assistance to local governments and schools would be diminished considerably -- leaving more in State coffers for other purposes.

The popular Nebraska senator also advised religious organizations to “carry out the directives of Jesus who said, ‘Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.'”

“In short: PAY YOUR TAXES,” Chambers wrote. By passing this bill, legislators would, in effect, be fulfilling scripture, Chambers claimed.

"And this should be one of the easiest bills to pass that I've ever offered to the Legislature,” Chambers added.

In 2007, Chambers filed a lawsuit against God for causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

I like this cat.

This is a very ignorant concept. Churches do more to aid society than any government program. The complete impact is immeasurable. They are entirely funded by donations by people who already pay a lot of taxes. They are not for profit entities, and provide a large quantity of valuable services for the community including but not limited to emergency shelters, hosting public events, voting locations, blood drives, homeless shelters, food charities, mental health services, financial aid, counseling and medical services.

Could they afford to pay property taxes? Some can but some would really take a hit and what is the local government going to do with the money? The whole concept is that they are providing services the government is either unable or ineffective at providing, so they let them keep their money to do more for society.

Just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye to the good that is done.

By this theory shouldn't all not-for-profits therefore not have to pay property tax?

What theory is that?

Your saying that they provide a public good so therefore shouldn't have to pay property taxes. Shouldn't that apply to all not-for profits???

 

[Jayrod]

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Nebraska state Sen. Ernie Chambers’ new bill aimed at eliminating state property tax exemptions for religious organizations is set for review by the Legislature's Revenue Committee Friday.

Bill LB675, which was introduced by the openly atheist lawmaker on Jan. 8, attempts to “gain more revenue, rather than less, by taking away churches’ property tax exemptions,” according to Chambers’ Statement of Intent.

Although the measure will most likely be killed in committee, Chambers argued in the statement:

The Governor and candidates for governor have said that “everything should be on the table.” If taxes were paid on the many churches and cathedrals and temples in every city in this State, perhaps the State’s assistance to local governments and schools would be diminished considerably -- leaving more in State coffers for other purposes.

The popular Nebraska senator also advised religious organizations to “carry out the directives of Jesus who said, ‘Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.'”

“In short: PAY YOUR TAXES,” Chambers wrote. By passing this bill, legislators would, in effect, be fulfilling scripture, Chambers claimed.

"And this should be one of the easiest bills to pass that I've ever offered to the Legislature,” Chambers added.

In 2007, Chambers filed a lawsuit against God for causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

I like this cat.

This is a very ignorant concept. Churches do more to aid society than any government program. The complete impact is immeasurable. They are entirely funded by donations by people who already pay a lot of taxes. They are not for profit entities, and provide a large quantity of valuable services for the community including but not limited to emergency shelters, hosting public events, voting locations, blood drives, homeless shelters, food charities, mental health services, financial aid, counseling and medical services.

Could they afford to pay property taxes? Some can but some would really take a hit and what is the local government going to do with the money? The whole concept is that they are providing services the government is either unable or ineffective at providing, so they let them keep their money to do more for society.

Just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye to the good that is done.

I tend to agree with you there but if not churches themselves, why not clergy?

Clergy do pay property taxes on their homes and income taxes on income and sales taxes on personal goods purchased. The only things that clergy members are given as "tax free" are either a housing allowance and/or they can opt out of social security, but of course they can't collect SS if they do that either.

Not sure if a church owned parish has to pay property taxes or not.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

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Nebraska state Sen. Ernie Chambers’ new bill aimed at eliminating state property tax exemptions for religious organizations is set for review by the Legislature's Revenue Committee Friday.

Bill LB675, which was introduced by the openly atheist lawmaker on Jan. 8, attempts to “gain more revenue, rather than less, by taking away churches’ property tax exemptions,” according to Chambers’ Statement of Intent.

Although the measure will most likely be killed in committee, Chambers argued in the statement:

The Governor and candidates for governor have said that “everything should be on the table.” If taxes were paid on the many churches and cathedrals and temples in every city in this State, perhaps the State’s assistance to local governments and schools would be diminished considerably -- leaving more in State coffers for other purposes.

The popular Nebraska senator also advised religious organizations to “carry out the directives of Jesus who said, ‘Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.'”

“In short: PAY YOUR TAXES,” Chambers wrote. By passing this bill, legislators would, in effect, be fulfilling scripture, Chambers claimed.

"And this should be one of the easiest bills to pass that I've ever offered to the Legislature,” Chambers added.

In 2007, Chambers filed a lawsuit against God for causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

I like this cat.

This is a very ignorant concept. Churches do more to aid society than any government program. The complete impact is immeasurable. They are entirely funded by donations by people who already pay a lot of taxes. They are not for profit entities, and provide a large quantity of valuable services for the community including but not limited to emergency shelters, hosting public events, voting locations, blood drives, homeless shelters, food charities, mental health services, financial aid, counseling and medical services.

Could they afford to pay property taxes? Some can but some would really take a hit and what is the local government going to do with the money? The whole concept is that they are providing services the government is either unable or ineffective at providing, so they let them keep their money to do more for society.

Just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye to the good that is done.

By this theory shouldn't all not-for-profits therefore not have to pay property tax?

What theory is that?

Your saying that they provide a public good so therefore shouldn't have to pay property taxes. Shouldn't that apply to all not-for profits???

You're exactly right. Which is why non-profits are exempted from many taxes, including property taxes. (Although I think the specifics may vary from state to state).

 

[Jayrod]

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Nebraska state Sen. Ernie Chambers’ new bill aimed at eliminating state property tax exemptions for religious organizations is set for review by the Legislature's Revenue Committee Friday.

Bill LB675, which was introduced by the openly atheist lawmaker on Jan. 8, attempts to “gain more revenue, rather than less, by taking away churches’ property tax exemptions,” according to Chambers’ Statement of Intent.

Although the measure will most likely be killed in committee, Chambers argued in the statement:

The Governor and candidates for governor have said that “everything should be on the table.” If taxes were paid on the many churches and cathedrals and temples in every city in this State, perhaps the State’s assistance to local governments and schools would be diminished considerably -- leaving more in State coffers for other purposes.

The popular Nebraska senator also advised religious organizations to “carry out the directives of Jesus who said, ‘Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.'”

“In short: PAY YOUR TAXES,” Chambers wrote. By passing this bill, legislators would, in effect, be fulfilling scripture, Chambers claimed.

"And this should be one of the easiest bills to pass that I've ever offered to the Legislature,” Chambers added.

In 2007, Chambers filed a lawsuit against God for causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

I like this cat.

This is a very ignorant concept. Churches do more to aid society than any government program. The complete impact is immeasurable. They are entirely funded by donations by people who already pay a lot of taxes. They are not for profit entities, and provide a large quantity of valuable services for the community including but not limited to emergency shelters, hosting public events, voting locations, blood drives, homeless shelters, food charities, mental health services, financial aid, counseling and medical services.

Could they afford to pay property taxes? Some can but some would really take a hit and what is the local government going to do with the money? The whole concept is that they are providing services the government is either unable or ineffective at providing, so they let them keep their money to do more for society.

Just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye to the good that is done.

By this theory shouldn't all not-for-profits therefore not have to pay property tax?

What theory is that?

Your saying that they provide a public good so therefore shouldn't have to pay property taxes. Shouldn't that apply to all not-for profits???

I'd be totally fine with that.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Why do you think churches should be exempt from paying taxes?

Obviously he's a big fan of government subsidies.

Ah, yes. The government giveth and the government taketh away; blessed be the name of the government.

Hm, there's quite a lot here.

1. I think freedom of religion means the state leaves the religious institutions alone. Completely.

And I mean even the fake bs preachers.

The subsidy argument is bogus. I've heard that before and the crux of it means turning all property into some sort of government subsidy to the degree to which you keep it. Frankly, I think it works the other way around.

So churches don't require police or fire services I guess.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

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Nebraska state Sen. Ernie Chambers’ new bill aimed at eliminating state property tax exemptions for religious organizations is set for review by the Legislature's Revenue Committee Friday.

Bill LB675, which was introduced by the openly atheist lawmaker on Jan. 8, attempts to “gain more revenue, rather than less, by taking away churches’ property tax exemptions,” according to Chambers’ Statement of Intent.

Although the measure will most likely be killed in committee, Chambers argued in the statement:

The Governor and candidates for governor have said that “everything should be on the table.” If taxes were paid on the many churches and cathedrals and temples in every city in this State, perhaps the State’s assistance to local governments and schools would be diminished considerably -- leaving more in State coffers for other purposes.

The popular Nebraska senator also advised religious organizations to “carry out the directives of Jesus who said, ‘Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.'”

“In short: PAY YOUR TAXES,” Chambers wrote. By passing this bill, legislators would, in effect, be fulfilling scripture, Chambers claimed.

"And this should be one of the easiest bills to pass that I've ever offered to the Legislature,” Chambers added.

In 2007, Chambers filed a lawsuit against God for causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

I like this cat.

This is a very ignorant concept. Churches do more to aid society than any government program. The complete impact is immeasurable. They are entirely funded by donations by people who already pay a lot of taxes. They are not for profit entities, and provide a large quantity of valuable services for the community including but not limited to emergency shelters, hosting public events, voting locations, blood drives, homeless shelters, food charities, mental health services, financial aid, counseling and medical services.

Could they afford to pay property taxes? Some can but some would really take a hit and what is the local government going to do with the money? The whole concept is that they are providing services the government is either unable or ineffective at providing, so they let them keep their money to do more for society.

Just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye to the good that is done.

Sounds like something you cannot provide evidence for.

 

[Koya]

sounds fair to me, especially considering how many religious organizations want to stick their nose in government functions. You wanna do that, you should have to pay up.

Not to mention how many have become a cover for business enterprises. Nice tax shelter with the Rev driving around in a suite new 7 series and that beautiful new building wing going up.

 

[DrJ]

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Nebraska state Sen. Ernie Chambers’ new bill aimed at eliminating state property tax exemptions for religious organizations is set for review by the Legislature's Revenue Committee Friday.

Bill LB675, which was introduced by the openly atheist lawmaker on Jan. 8, attempts to “gain more revenue, rather than less, by taking away churches’ property tax exemptions,” according to Chambers’ Statement of Intent.

Although the measure will most likely be killed in committee, Chambers argued in the statement:

The Governor and candidates for governor have said that “everything should be on the table.” If taxes were paid on the many churches and cathedrals and temples in every city in this State, perhaps the State’s assistance to local governments and schools would be diminished considerably -- leaving more in State coffers for other purposes.

The popular Nebraska senator also advised religious organizations to “carry out the directives of Jesus who said, ‘Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.'”

“In short: PAY YOUR TAXES,” Chambers wrote. By passing this bill, legislators would, in effect, be fulfilling scripture, Chambers claimed.

"And this should be one of the easiest bills to pass that I've ever offered to the Legislature,” Chambers added.

In 2007, Chambers filed a lawsuit against God for causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

I like this cat.

Yeah, this guy sounds pretty awesome. Let's waste some tax dollars suing an entity that I openly argue doesn't even exist.

 

[kface]

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Nebraska state Sen. Ernie Chambers’ new bill aimed at eliminating state property tax exemptions for religious organizations is set for review by the Legislature's Revenue Committee Friday.

Bill LB675, which was introduced by the openly atheist lawmaker on Jan. 8, attempts to “gain more revenue, rather than less, by taking away churches’ property tax exemptions,” according to Chambers’ Statement of Intent.

Although the measure will most likely be killed in committee, Chambers argued in the statement:

The Governor and candidates for governor have said that “everything should be on the table.” If taxes were paid on the many churches and cathedrals and temples in every city in this State, perhaps the State’s assistance to local governments and schools would be diminished considerably -- leaving more in State coffers for other purposes.

The popular Nebraska senator also advised religious organizations to “carry out the directives of Jesus who said, ‘Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.'”

“In short: PAY YOUR TAXES,” Chambers wrote. By passing this bill, legislators would, in effect, be fulfilling scripture, Chambers claimed.

"And this should be one of the easiest bills to pass that I've ever offered to the Legislature,” Chambers added.

In 2007, Chambers filed a lawsuit against God for causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

I like this cat.

This is a very ignorant concept. Churches do more to aid society than any government program. The complete impact is immeasurable. They are entirely funded by donations by people who already pay a lot of taxes. They are not for profit entities, and provide a large quantity of valuable services for the community including but not limited to emergency shelters, hosting public events, voting locations, blood drives, homeless shelters, food charities, mental health services, financial aid, counseling and medical services.

Could they afford to pay property taxes? Some can but some would really take a hit and what is the local government going to do with the money? The whole concept is that they are providing services the government is either unable or ineffective at providing, so they let them keep their money to do more for society.

Just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye to the good that is done.

By this theory shouldn't all not-for-profits therefore not have to pay property tax?

What theory is that?

Your saying that they provide a public good so therefore shouldn't have to pay property taxes. Shouldn't that apply to all not-for profits???

I'd be totally fine with that.

I would be too actually but the problem lies in that there are a ton of not-for-profits. Some of them are very controversial and divisive...do I think greenpeace needs a property tax break? Probably not...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Why do you think churches should be exempt from paying taxes?

Obviously he's a big fan of government subsidies.

Ah, yes. The government giveth and the government taketh away; blessed be the name of the government.

Hm, there's quite a lot here.

1. I think freedom of religion means the state leaves the religious institutions alone. Completely.

And I mean even the fake bs preachers.

The subsidy argument is bogus. I've heard that before and the crux of it means turning all property into some sort of government subsidy to the degree to which you keep it. Frankly, I think it works the other way around.

So churches don't require police or fire services I guess.

Yeah, see if you want to have this discussion, it's much broader.

The fact that citizens pay for basic services does not mean that citizens who don't are being "subsidized" by others. People use services all the time, it does not mean they have ti pay for them, it also doesn't mean that those who don't use them don't have to pay for them.

I think that whole subsidy argument is terrible, sorry.

By virtue of that argument there is practically no private property as all services provided by the state should be rightfully and equally funded and "subsidized" by all individuals' wealth and property, and no I do not agree.

And yes I think the state should leave religious institutions alone.

 

[NCCommish]

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Nebraska state Sen. Ernie Chambers’ new bill aimed at eliminating state property tax exemptions for religious organizations is set for review by the Legislature's Revenue Committee Friday.

Bill LB675, which was introduced by the openly atheist lawmaker on Jan. 8, attempts to “gain more revenue, rather than less, by taking away churches’ property tax exemptions,” according to Chambers’ Statement of Intent.

Although the measure will most likely be killed in committee, Chambers argued in the statement:

The Governor and candidates for governor have said that “everything should be on the table.” If taxes were paid on the many churches and cathedrals and temples in every city in this State, perhaps the State’s assistance to local governments and schools would be diminished considerably -- leaving more in State coffers for other purposes.

The popular Nebraska senator also advised religious organizations to “carry out the directives of Jesus who said, ‘Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.'”

“In short: PAY YOUR TAXES,” Chambers wrote. By passing this bill, legislators would, in effect, be fulfilling scripture, Chambers claimed.

"And this should be one of the easiest bills to pass that I've ever offered to the Legislature,” Chambers added.

In 2007, Chambers filed a lawsuit against God for causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

I like this cat.

This is a very ignorant concept. Churches do more to aid society than any government program. The complete impact is immeasurable. They are entirely funded by donations by people who already pay a lot of taxes. They are not for profit entities, and provide a large quantity of valuable services for the community including but not limited to emergency shelters, hosting public events, voting locations, blood drives, homeless shelters, food charities, mental health services, financial aid, counseling and medical services.

Could they afford to pay property taxes? Some can but some would really take a hit and what is the local government going to do with the money? The whole concept is that they are providing services the government is either unable or ineffective at providing, so they let them keep their money to do more for society.

Just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye to the good that is done.

how much money did the Mormon church use for charity vs. how much they payed to make sure prop 8 passed in California?

I have seen reports that put their political spending on that issue at over 20 million.

 

[Jayrod]

LINK

Nebraska state Sen. Ernie Chambers’ new bill aimed at eliminating state property tax exemptions for religious organizations is set for review by the Legislature's Revenue Committee Friday.

Bill LB675, which was introduced by the openly atheist lawmaker on Jan. 8, attempts to “gain more revenue, rather than less, by taking away churches’ property tax exemptions,” according to Chambers’ Statement of Intent.

Although the measure will most likely be killed in committee, Chambers argued in the statement:

The Governor and candidates for governor have said that “everything should be on the table.” If taxes were paid on the many churches and cathedrals and temples in every city in this State, perhaps the State’s assistance to local governments and schools would be diminished considerably -- leaving more in State coffers for other purposes.

The popular Nebraska senator also advised religious organizations to “carry out the directives of Jesus who said, ‘Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.'”

“In short: PAY YOUR TAXES,” Chambers wrote. By passing this bill, legislators would, in effect, be fulfilling scripture, Chambers claimed.

"And this should be one of the easiest bills to pass that I've ever offered to the Legislature,” Chambers added.

In 2007, Chambers filed a lawsuit against God for causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

I like this cat.

This is a very ignorant concept. Churches do more to aid society than any government program. The complete impact is immeasurable. They are entirely funded by donations by people who already pay a lot of taxes. They are not for profit entities, and provide a large quantity of valuable services for the community including but not limited to emergency shelters, hosting public events, voting locations, blood drives, homeless shelters, food charities, mental health services, financial aid, counseling and medical services.

Could they afford to pay property taxes? Some can but some would really take a hit and what is the local government going to do with the money? The whole concept is that they are providing services the government is either unable or ineffective at providing, so they let them keep their money to do more for society.

Just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye to the good that is done.

how much money did the Mormon church use for charity vs. how much they payed to make sure prop 8 passed in California?

Good question, but I doubt that is public information. The Mormon church is a national organization and takes in billions every year.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

By the way I also don't like the whole 501c non profit tax exemption thing. I don't think people should be penalized for political speech.

Leaving aside for the moment whether and how much the government does revoke 501c non-profit tax exempt status, the basic reality is it leaves the state available and open to penalizing for speaking politically. That's just wrong. freedom of speech is freedom of speech and the state has no say in it.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Are any secular organizations in NE exempted from property taxes, or is it only churches? That seems to be a pretty important point that isn't addressed in the article.

If you read his submitted state bill (first link in the quote in the OP), he just went through the current law and crossed out the word "religious".

Troll is trolling.

Good catch. I was doing a little googling on this and was about to post something showing that many non-profits in NE enjoy a property tax exemption (not just churches), but the bill itself makes it much clearer that the guy's intent is simply to discriminate against churches.

 

[Scoresman]

LINK

Nebraska state Sen. Ernie Chambers’ new bill aimed at eliminating state property tax exemptions for religious organizations is set for review by the Legislature's Revenue Committee Friday.

Bill LB675, which was introduced by the openly atheist lawmaker on Jan. 8, attempts to “gain more revenue, rather than less, by taking away churches’ property tax exemptions,” according to Chambers’ Statement of Intent.

Although the measure will most likely be killed in committee, Chambers argued in the statement:

The Governor and candidates for governor have said that “everything should be on the table.” If taxes were paid on the many churches and cathedrals and temples in every city in this State, perhaps the State’s assistance to local governments and schools would be diminished considerably -- leaving more in State coffers for other purposes.

The popular Nebraska senator also advised religious organizations to “carry out the directives of Jesus who said, ‘Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.'”

“In short: PAY YOUR TAXES,” Chambers wrote. By passing this bill, legislators would, in effect, be fulfilling scripture, Chambers claimed.

"And this should be one of the easiest bills to pass that I've ever offered to the Legislature,” Chambers added.

In 2007, Chambers filed a lawsuit against God for causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

I like this cat.

This is a very ignorant concept. Churches do more to aid society than any government program. The complete impact is immeasurable. They are entirely funded by donations by people who already pay a lot of taxes. They are not for profit entities, and provide a large quantity of valuable services for the community including but not limited to emergency shelters, hosting public events, voting locations, blood drives, homeless shelters, food charities, mental health services, financial aid, counseling and medical services.

Could they afford to pay property taxes? Some can but some would really take a hit and what is the local government going to do with the money? The whole concept is that they are providing services the government is either unable or ineffective at providing, so they let them keep their money to do more for society.

Just because you don't agree with their beliefs doesn't mean you have to turn a blind eye to the good that is done.

how much money did the Mormon church use for charity vs. how much they payed to make sure prop 8 passed in California?

I have seen reports that put their political spending on that issue at over 20 million.

and that was such a good charitable cause to spend it on!

My whole problem with the tax exemption thing is when the church wants to stick their nose in marriage and abortion legislation (among others). No representation without taxation. You don't see the Make-a-Wish foundation or the SPCA influencing laws.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

You don't see the Make-a-Wish foundation or the SPCA influencing laws.

The ASPCA works with local, state and federal legislators to help enact meaningful protections for animals. We also offer advocacy training and support for citizens who wish to engage in grassroots lobbying. Stay informed and get involved—politics is not a spectator sport!

http://www.aspca.org/fight-cruelty/advocacy-center

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

LINK

Nebraska state Sen. Ernie Chambers’ new bill aimed at eliminating state property tax exemptions for religious organizations is set for review by the Legislature's Revenue Committee Friday.

Bill LB675, which was introduced by the openly atheist lawmaker on Jan. 8, attempts to “gain more revenue, rather than less, by taking away churches’ property tax exemptions,” according to Chambers’ Statement of Intent.

Although the measure will most likely be killed in committee, Chambers argued in the statement:

The Governor and candidates for governor have said that “everything should be on the table.” If taxes were paid on the many churches and cathedrals and temples in every city in this State, perhaps the State’s assistance to local governments and schools would be diminished considerably -- leaving more in State coffers for other purposes.

The popular Nebraska senator also advised religious organizations to “carry out the directives of Jesus who said, ‘Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.'”

“In short: PAY YOUR TAXES,” Chambers wrote. By passing this bill, legislators would, in effect, be fulfilling scripture, Chambers claimed.

"And this should be one of the easiest bills to pass that I've ever offered to the Legislature,” Chambers added.

In 2007, Chambers filed a lawsuit against God for causing "widespread death, destruction and terrorization of millions upon millions of the Earth's inhabitants."

I like this cat.

Yeah, this guy sounds pretty awesome. Let's waste some tax dollars suing an entity that I openly argue doesn't even exist.

Like the people that are wasting tax dollars trying to get creationism taught (or evolution banned) in schools?

Or other things like this: http://www.upnorthlive.com/news/story.aspx?id=991174#.UuC4F2Tna2x

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/21/science/21evo.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

You don't see the Make-a-Wish foundation or the SPCA influencing laws.

The ASPCA works with local, state and federal legislators to help enact meaningful protections for animals. We also offer advocacy training and support for citizens who wish to engage in grassroots lobbying. Stay informed and get involved—politics is not a spectator sport!

http://www.aspca.org/fight-cruelty/advocacy-center

Ha, really, great organizations, yes absolutely lots of non-profits seek to influence the laws.

Again, 501c non-profits shouldn't be in danger of being penalized for political speech.

 

[Scoresman]

You don't see the Make-a-Wish foundation or the SPCA influencing laws.

The ASPCA works with local, state and federal legislators to help enact meaningful protections for animals. We also offer advocacy training and support for citizens who wish to engage in grassroots lobbying. Stay informed and get involved—politics is not a spectator sport!

http://www.aspca.org/fight-cruelty/advocacy-center

then they shouldn't be tax free either.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

You don't see the Make-a-Wish foundation or the SPCA influencing laws.

The ASPCA works with local, state and federal legislators to help enact meaningful protections for animals. We also offer advocacy training and support for citizens who wish to engage in grassroots lobbying. Stay informed and get involved—politics is not a spectator sport!

http://www.aspca.org/fight-cruelty/advocacy-center

then they shouldn't be tax free either.

Why the heck should the government penalize someone because they speak politically?

 

[mr roboto]

Hmmmmm, all the religious people on one side and all the liberals on the other. Yep, we can really see the argument for what it is despite our preconceived notions about religious belief.

 

[Scoresman]

You don't see the Make-a-Wish foundation or the SPCA influencing laws.

The ASPCA works with local, state and federal legislators to help enact meaningful protections for animals. We also offer advocacy training and support for citizens who wish to engage in grassroots lobbying. Stay informed and get involved—politics is not a spectator sport!

http://www.aspca.org/fight-cruelty/advocacy-center

then they shouldn't be tax free either.

Why the heck should the government penalize someone because they speak politically?

pay into the system if you want to influence it, especially if you're influencing it with money.

 

[Scoresman]

Hmmmmm, all the religious people on one side and all the liberals on the other. Yep, we can really see the argument for what it is despite our preconceived notions about religious belief.

im independent, thanks.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

You don't see the Make-a-Wish foundation or the SPCA influencing laws.

The ASPCA works with local, state and federal legislators to help enact meaningful protections for animals. We also offer advocacy training and support for citizens who wish to engage in grassroots lobbying. Stay informed and get involved—politics is not a spectator sport!

http://www.aspca.org/fight-cruelty/advocacy-center

then they shouldn't be tax free either.

Why the heck should the government penalize someone because they speak politically?

pay into the system if you want to influence it, especially if you're influencing it with money.

That is nuts. Most non-profits don't have money to influence the system. You're talking in this specific instance about people who donate blankets for dogs and feed stray cats out their kitchen. Call up some big money bundlers and lobbyists for the GOP & DNC, I'm sure they would love to see your system come to fruition.

Punishing people for speech is antidemocratic.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Hmmmmm, all the religious people on one side and all the liberals on the other. Yep, we can really see the argument for what it is despite our preconceived notions about religious belief.

Where do the liberal religious people go?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

pay into the system if you want to influence it, especially if you're influencing it with money.

People who donate to Greenpeace, for example, have already paid taxes on the money that they're donated. Why should it be taxed twice just because they're joining together to petition the government for the redress of grievances?

Edit: If I personally a hire a lobbyist to lobby against whaling, I don't get hit with any special tax. But if me and a few million friends pool our resources to hire a lobbyist to do the exact same thing, you seem to be arguing that we should get taxed a second time. I think that's warranted.

 

[Koya]

You don't see the Make-a-Wish foundation or the SPCA influencing laws.

The ASPCA works with local, state and federal legislators to help enact meaningful protections for animals. We also offer advocacy training and support for citizens who wish to engage in grassroots lobbying. Stay informed and get involved—politics is not a spectator sport!

http://www.aspca.org/fight-cruelty/advocacy-center

then they shouldn't be tax free either.

Why the heck should the government penalize someone because they speak politically?

A tax exempt org / 501c3 (not 4) is allowed to directly influence the electoral process. They can't support or be against a candidate. They CAN, however, educate on issues (which have an affect on who someone would vote for) and are allowed to support or be against a type of legislation. I do believe there are limits to the percentage of their budget (2% I believe?) that is dedicated to direct lobbying efforts however. This is on a federal IRS level. Some states have additional stipulations that an organization can only spend so much time and/or money on lobbying State or local officials (and that could cover for profit entities too ie registering as a lobbyist or a lobbying/public affairs firm vs. being a public relations firm if you only do a tiny bit of lobbying).

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

You don't see the Make-a-Wish foundation or the SPCA influencing laws.

The ASPCA works with local, state and federal legislators to help enact meaningful protections for animals. We also offer advocacy training and support for citizens who wish to engage in grassroots lobbying. Stay informed and get involved—politics is not a spectator sport!

http://www.aspca.org/fight-cruelty/advocacy-center

then they shouldn't be tax free either.

Why the heck should the government penalize someone because they speak politically?

A tax exempt org / 501c3 (not 4) is allowed to directly influence the electoral process. They can't support or be against a candidate. They CAN, however, educate on issues (which have an affect on who someone would vote for) and are allowed to support or be against a type of legislation. I do believe there are limits to the percentage of their budget (2% I believe?) that is dedicated to direct lobbying efforts however. This is on a federal IRS level. Some states have additional stipulations that an organization can only spend so much time and/or money on lobbying State or local officials (and that could cover for profit entities too ie registering as a lobbyist or a lobbying/public affairs firm vs. being a public relations firm if you only do a tiny bit of lobbying).

Ok thank you for the clarification.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Hmmmmm, all the religious people on one side and all the liberals on the other. Yep, we can really see the argument for what it is despite our preconceived notions about religious belief.

My position on this is that religious organizations should be treated symmetrically to other non-profits. If we as a society decide that we're going to tax secular non-profit organizations, then there's no good reason for giving churches tax-exempt status. Whereas if we decided to provide tax breaks to secular non-profits, there's no good reason to treat churches differently. The latter thing is what the author of the bill in question is doing.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So what's an example of a 501c4?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hmmmmm, all the religious people on one side and all the liberals on the other. Yep, we can really see the argument for what it is despite our preconceived notions about religious belief.

im independent, thanks.

Just curious Scoresman (and just that) - who's the guy and what's the poster behind him in your avatar? Thanks.