Frenchy Fuqua
Footballguy
Porter seems more likely than Moss, but I can't see the Rooney's giving either the okay. Especially after the Santonio Holmes debacle.
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Steelers interested in trading for Jerry Porter or Randy Moss (1 Viewer)
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xcheck2430
Footballguy
i dont believe its rothlisburger's fault. his recieving core is exactly the same - a hammy problem for hines ward. the fact is he isnt using heath miller as a red zone target or willie parker as a deep threat.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Porter is so overrated! What has he ever done to prove himself? If you're going to go for someone to help your team, go for the gamebreaker in Moss.
I know the salary is more, but you have to pay to compete. Moss is healthy and just needs a chance.
I don't like either WR, but I smart enought to know Moss is a player!
I know the salary is more, but you have to pay to compete. Moss is healthy and just needs a chance.
I don't like either WR, but I smart enought to know Moss is a player!
gman8343
What would Lemmy do?
oh wow.
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trader jake
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Jerry Porter for Joey Porter.
That should help clear things up.
That should help clear things up.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
What exactly is "the Holmes debacle"
First rounder? Sure. Not sure what you were expecting here, but he's a rookie, so give him a little slack.
First rounder? Sure. Not sure what you were expecting here, but he's a rookie, so give him a little slack.
diesel7982
Footballguy
Perhaps it was referring to his imitation of Chris Henry?....off the field?
pizzatyme
Footballguy
it's midnight dude, cut me some slack! lol
pizzatyme
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CrossEyed
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I think this has about a 1% chance of happening. The Rooneys generally have no interest in low character guys. Trading for either Moss or Porter would shock me.
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cstu
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I've been as harsh as anybody on the guy because I don't think he's as good as most people did before the draft, but he's hardly been a debacle off the field. FWIW, I do think he'll turn out to be a solid #2 for the Steelers. Trading for Porter or Moss doesn't make much sense to me since they have the weapons to get the job done if Ben gets it together.
PennStater77
Footballguy
Porter I can see, Moss No Chance.. He makes too much and isn't a Rooney type player
Mapmaker
Footballguy
This just does not sound like the Pittsburg Steelers ... if it were a Larry Johnson or a Lamont Jordan type player I'd believe it could be true, but not these two head cases ... the problem in Pittsburg isn't personell it's Rothlesburger ... Batch had that team moving the ball all over the field against a pretty solid Miami D in week 1 ... since he turned the helm back over to Big Ben ... zilch, zip, nadda ... the kid needs to get his nerve back, quit throwing off his back foot and shying away from the oncoming rushers when he's releasing the ball ... he's trying to overcome some pretty traumatic back to back events (accident and surgery) and needs to take a step back .. I think the wise move in Pittsburg would be to sit Ben for a couple weeks .... not add to the Steeler problems adding a "headcase player" to the mix.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
I need this for the record....steeler nation....Do you like Moss and would welcome him or do you hate Moss and don't want him (REGARDLESS OF UNIFORM HE IS WEARING)...............I don't want to see this Dallas/TO Crap going down if this happens!
3C's
Footballguy
Moss is a one trick pony. Fly down the field. Poor work habits. Takes plays off. Pouts when things don't go his way. He does not belong in a Steeler uniform.
highlander23
Footballguy
As a Steeler fan, I can't say I would be very welcoming of either of these guys. However, if a deal were to happen, I would be much more willing to give a chance to Moss than Porter. You can put up with a little of the "head case" stuff when it is a great player. Plus, if Joey Porter were to go in the deal (as much as I like him as a force on defense), it would be getting rid of pretty much the biggest head case on the Steelers right now. That being said, if Moss did become a Steeler and he pulled anything remotely "TO-like", his welcome mat would be pulled right out from under him REAL fast. That's my take as a Steeler fan for the past 25 years or so who doesn't live in or near Pittsburgh. I'll be interested to hear from other local and/or long-time fans.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
There is no way Moss is coming to Pittsburgh so it is a moot point.
It isn't very likely they would trade for Jerry Porter and accept all the baggage that he brings either. And there is no way they would trade Joey Porter for him. Joey Porter is one of the leaders on defense and the Steelers are thin at LB. This isn't even a possibility.
As for Roethlisbergers woes, I think it is a combination of being rusty, bad o-line play, bad receiver play and playing against some pretty tough defenses.
It isn't very likely they would trade for Jerry Porter and accept all the baggage that he brings either. And there is no way they would trade Joey Porter for him. Joey Porter is one of the leaders on defense and the Steelers are thin at LB. This isn't even a possibility.
As for Roethlisbergers woes, I think it is a combination of being rusty, bad o-line play, bad receiver play and playing against some pretty tough defenses.
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Arm Chair Express
Footballguy
Classic!
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
No way this happens, for either of them, IMO. It's fun to think about Ward lining up across from Randy Moss, but I just don't think it will happen.
Let it be known I'm not completely opposed to Randy Moss -- from what I've seen of the dude he's a bit of a primadonna...big suprise from an elite WR. It's not a good sign that he's disinterested in what's going on around him in Oakland (although no one else in the country is interested in Raider football either). But Moss still strikes me as a guy who could thrive if put on the right team. If he went to Pittsburgh (or Seattle, or New England, Carolina, Philly, or some others I'm not thinking of) somewhere where it really seems like a "team" and not a collection of players and with a no BS coach, I think he could do ok. Risky, of course for all that money and a potential slacker, but I think it could work out ok.
Let it be known I'm not completely opposed to Randy Moss -- from what I've seen of the dude he's a bit of a primadonna...big suprise from an elite WR. It's not a good sign that he's disinterested in what's going on around him in Oakland (although no one else in the country is interested in Raider football either). But Moss still strikes me as a guy who could thrive if put on the right team. If he went to Pittsburgh (or Seattle, or New England, Carolina, Philly, or some others I'm not thinking of) somewhere where it really seems like a "team" and not a collection of players and with a no BS coach, I think he could do ok. Risky, of course for all that money and a potential slacker, but I think it could work out ok.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The other thing that makes me think this is hogwash is it is very unlikely that Al Davis and the Steelers could ever agree on a deal. Al Davis and the Rooney's have never agreed on anything.
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Stillers Jr.
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Delusions Of Adequacy
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Sinrman
Footballguy
I just don't see either being a Steelers-kind of guy. But either would be an upgrade. So it's buyer-beware...
The Steelers would obviously rather get the cheaper one in Porter, rather than Moss, whom Oakland will want a 1st rounder or something big. If the rumors of Joey Porter are true, then perhaps Porter and a pick for Moss..?
The Steelers would obviously rather get the cheaper one in Porter, rather than Moss, whom Oakland will want a 1st rounder or something big. If the rumors of Joey Porter are true, then perhaps Porter and a pick for Moss..?
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
No kidding. Moss is little different than most elite players in the league when they feel their skills are not being used optimally. Owens obviously does the same thing. Rice did the same thing. Edge is doing the same thing now in Arizona.Also, anyone who thinks all Moss can do is catch the deep ball hasn't watched much of Moss.That said, Pitt would be a horrible place for Moss. The winning might placate him, but he would get frustrated with the limited opportunities to get frequent targets.
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Godsbrother
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Sheriff66
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Never say never...It will never happen.
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[hijack alert]First of all, I'm not trying to say that Ben has played well. He hasn't. But to infer that Batch was doing something that Ben is not regarding moving the team is ignoring some pretty significant facts. First of all, the Steelers were losing that game against Miami in the 4th qtr until the defense steppped up with a couple of big turnovers and a TD. Since Ben came back they've played 2 of the better defenses in the NFL in JAX and SD. And if you look at the stats of the CIN game, the Steelers dominated in almost every category. What killed them was not Ben's play, but fumbles by Colclough and Haynes. Ben is not the sole reason that the Steelers are 1-3 [/hijack]
Fiendishgames
Footballguy
I'd just assumed that the "trade J. Porter for J. Porter" idea was a whimsical comment. At least they could save on shirt lettering.
I dont think its likely that it happens, but I will never say no way. That being said, I think that Moss is at that point in his career that if he was put in the right situation, he would be a model citizen and hard worker. If you put him on a contender, I hink we'd see the old Randy in terms of talent, but not in terms of attitude.
But who knows, Im usually wrong.
But who knows, Im usually wrong.
I don't see this happening either and no way do the Steelers deal Joey Porter.
That being said I keep seeing everyone refer to Jerry Porter as some kind of cancer and as I've said before on this site I don't see were you all get that from. He critiziced the HC and OC choice and mentioned the team would have been better of with Mike Martz , chose to work out on his own during the off season, and parked in Al's parking space. Far as I can tell that's all he did and none of those things are any big deal IMO. Just because Al or Art won't let him play does not mean he's a cancer, see Marcus Allen.
That being said I keep seeing everyone refer to Jerry Porter as some kind of cancer and as I've said before on this site I don't see were you all get that from. He critiziced the HC and OC choice and mentioned the team would have been better of with Mike Martz , chose to work out on his own during the off season, and parked in Al's parking space. Far as I can tell that's all he did and none of those things are any big deal IMO. Just because Al or Art won't let him play does not mean he's a cancer, see Marcus Allen.
3C's
Footballguy
He's never led the league in receptions or receiving yards. In fact, he's only been in the top 10 in receptions twice. How's he doing in the td department since he left the Vikings?
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Holmes debacle??
From what I have read, he's going to see some starting action and will split reps with the first team. Sure he's had his share of problems but keep in mind most if not all those incidents were either immediately post-signing and into the preseason. Once he realized he has to play smart to stick around the NFL he seems to have cleaned up his act.
From several interviews ive seen, he really comes across as a stand up guy. I was shocked to find out this is the same guy who had been arrested several times in the span of a few weeks. Just cut the guy a little slack here; he screwed up and is making ammends by playing tough and hard. Coaches will respect that.
On a side note, PFT has a bad habit of targeting some players and having vendettas against them. Im not even sure this rumor is founded on any factual basis and am willing to bet that this is just an attempt to smear santonio. Which is why theyve lost so many potential and ex-readers like myself.
Not a steelers fan or OSU fan by any shot. Jags fan here. Also a fan of accurate reporting.
From what I have read, he's going to see some starting action and will split reps with the first team. Sure he's had his share of problems but keep in mind most if not all those incidents were either immediately post-signing and into the preseason. Once he realized he has to play smart to stick around the NFL he seems to have cleaned up his act.
From several interviews ive seen, he really comes across as a stand up guy. I was shocked to find out this is the same guy who had been arrested several times in the span of a few weeks. Just cut the guy a little slack here; he screwed up and is making ammends by playing tough and hard. Coaches will respect that.
On a side note, PFT has a bad habit of targeting some players and having vendettas against them. Im not even sure this rumor is founded on any factual basis and am willing to bet that this is just an attempt to smear santonio. Which is why theyve lost so many potential and ex-readers like myself.
Not a steelers fan or OSU fan by any shot. Jags fan here. Also a fan of accurate reporting.
5-ish Finkle
Footballguy
The problems in Pitt aren't the WRs, it's the pass blocking of the OL. Yeah, the receivers have dropped some key catches so far, as well, but for the most part Roeth has been taking 3 steps back and has a hand on him already. Couple that with lack of PT/injuries this pre-season and offseason and you get what he's been giving thus far. It pretty much has to get better, because he can't play much worse.
As mentioned, there's about as much chance of Al Davis and Dan Rooney making a trade as there is of Lucifer sitting down to break bread with Jesus. It WOULD be interesting though, for no other reason than between the two of them you'd have about 4 eons worth of age sitting in the same room if they were to meet for a face-to-face.
If we totally ignored the fact that Davis and Rooney are basically anathema to one another, then they'd likely be talking about Porter. IIRC they scouted him heavily when he was coming out of WVU the year they drafted Skillet Mitts. With all his off field stuff now, I doubt they have much interest.
As mentioned, there's about as much chance of Al Davis and Dan Rooney making a trade as there is of Lucifer sitting down to break bread with Jesus. It WOULD be interesting though, for no other reason than between the two of them you'd have about 4 eons worth of age sitting in the same room if they were to meet for a face-to-face.
If we totally ignored the fact that Davis and Rooney are basically anathema to one another, then they'd likely be talking about Porter. IIRC they scouted him heavily when he was coming out of WVU the year they drafted Skillet Mitts. With all his off field stuff now, I doubt they have much interest.
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
So are you saying all he can do (or all he could do) was catch touchdowns?3C said:
3C's
Footballguy
Pretty much. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. But he's not doing that very well right now. He's not an elite receiver now and really hasn't been since 2003. He'd probably be better somewhere else, but not in Pittsburgh.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Although I think the problem for the Steelers receivers this season has been the inability to get open.
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
Hasn't been since 2003? In 2004, prior to his injury, he was on pace for 83-1260-25. In 2005, prior to his injury, he was on pace for 76-1864-8. This year? Well, Oakland is a mess, and I don't any assessment of his current ability can be made. Regardless, criticizing his ability to be an elite receiver based on 2004 on production is invalid. If you want to make a injury comment, that is one this, but he has clearly shown in the early third of the last two seasons he still has it in himself to be the dominant receiver.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Did they really write that in their article, or was that some commentary by Frenchy Fuqua? If that's a direct quote from PFT - well then they'd be like school in summer. No class. Seriously, why should anyone take anything they have to say seriously if they behave like that? The internet has really done wonders for the world of journalism.....
It came directly from PFT. That's the "nickname" so to speak that they gave him based on his multiple run-ins with the law this off-season.CRH
