Steve Smith NYG (1 Viewer)

[zadok]

-He's fairly small

6'0, 195 is not small for a WR. Not large, granted, but not small, fairly or otherwise.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

-He's fairly small

6'0, 195 is not small for a WR. Not large, granted, but not small, fairly or otherwise.

Agreed and he plays larger than 6'0. He has done a good job at adjusting to balls and has went up on a couple of plays to take the ball at its highest point away from defenders.We are seeing a guy budding into a star here. I think the emergency of Mario, Hicks will elevate Smith as teams will not be able to double him. Also, the Giants have done a very good job of moving him around whereas he is tough to defend as he runs routes so well, finds soft spots in zones, and him and Eli are on the same page.

 

[Captain Spaulding]

-He's fairly small

6'0, 195 is not small for a WR. Not large, granted, but not small, fairly or otherwise. <_<

Agreed and he plays larger than 6'0. He has done a good job at adjusting to balls and has went up on a couple of plays to take the ball at its highest point away from defenders.We are seeing a guy budding into a star here. I think the emergency of Mario, Hicks will elevate Smith as teams will not be able to double him. Also, the Giants have done a very good job of moving him around whereas he is tough to defend as he runs routes so well, finds soft spots in zones, and him and Eli are on the same page.

The average height of all NFL WR's drafted in 2008 was 6'1''. To be listed along with fellow "stud" WRs 6 ft. is truly fairly small. I would guess any WR smaller than this has more hurdles to prove before they are respected.

 

[Liquid Tension]

-He's fairly small

6'0, 195 is not small for a WR. Not large, granted, but not small, fairly or otherwise.

Agreed and he plays larger than 6'0. He has done a good job at adjusting to balls and has went up on a couple of plays to take the ball at its highest point away from defenders.We are seeing a guy budding into a star here. I think the emergency of Mario, Hicks will elevate Smith as teams will not be able to double him. Also, the Giants have done a very good job of moving him around whereas he is tough to defend as he runs routes so well, finds soft spots in zones, and him and Eli are on the same page.

Carter, this was a good prediction and I was on record saying that liked Smith a lot, but didn't think he would be a great fantasy option. However, I have to make a few comments:1) The above is not really true as Smith has not "Larry Fitzgerald" balls this year.2) A few things have have happened that have helped him be the primary focus. a)Hixon got got hurt, b)Hicks got hurt,c) The Giants running attack has simply not even been close to what it was and d) The Giants have played some bad secondaries.3) Eli has played very well4) Smith has had problems on bombs, but he is good running slants and even long crossing patterns (his TD last week was about his range where he has struggled). he does come back to the ball very well and catches almost everything when facing the QB. He is also understanding how to get open down field more.All those things have led him to the surprising start.IMO, I would sell high, not because he isn't good, but because the issues in #2 won't remain.

 

[duaneok66]

-He's fairly small

6'0, 195 is not small for a WR. Not large, granted, but not small, fairly or otherwise.

Agreed and he plays larger than 6'0. He has done a good job at adjusting to balls and has went up on a couple of plays to take the ball at its highest point away from defenders.We are seeing a guy budding into a star here. I think the emergency of Mario, Hicks will elevate Smith as teams will not be able to double him. Also, the Giants have done a very good job of moving him around whereas he is tough to defend as he runs routes so well, finds soft spots in zones, and him and Eli are on the same page.

Carter, this was a good prediction and I was on record saying that liked Smith a lot, but didn't think he would be a great fantasy option. However, I have to make a few comments:1) The above is not really true as Smith has not "Larry Fitzgerald" balls this year.2) A few things have have happened that have helped him be the primary focus. a)Hixon got got hurt, b)Hicks got hurt,c) The Giants running attack has simply not even been close to what it was and d) The Giants have played some bad secondaries.3) Eli has played very well4) Smith has had problems on bombs, but he is good running slants and even long crossing patterns (his TD last week was about his range where he has struggled). he does come back to the ball very well and catches almost everything when facing the QB. He is also understanding how to get open down field more.All those things have led him to the surprising start.IMO, I would sell high, not because he isn't good, but because the issues in #2 won't remain.

I appreciate your response, especially since its not a typical homer fluff piece, but it's hard to discount was Steve Smith is doing . . .his catch rate is 77 percent . . . that's sick . . .his numbers will obviously come down against stiffer competition, but so would anyone else's . . .I wish I had him on my team btw the thing that I really like about him is his demeanor . . .

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

-He's fairly small

6'0, 195 is not small for a WR. Not large, granted, but not small, fairly or otherwise.

Agreed and he plays larger than 6'0. He has done a good job at adjusting to balls and has went up on a couple of plays to take the ball at its highest point away from defenders.We are seeing a guy budding into a star here. I think the emergency of Mario, Hicks will elevate Smith as teams will not be able to double him. Also, the Giants have done a very good job of moving him around whereas he is tough to defend as he runs routes so well, finds soft spots in zones, and him and Eli are on the same page.

Carter, this was a good prediction and I was on record saying that liked Smith a lot, but didn't think he would be a great fantasy option. However, I have to make a few comments:1) The above is not really true as Smith has not "Larry Fitzgerald" balls this year.2) A few things have have happened that have helped him be the primary focus. a)Hixon got got hurt, b)Hicks got hurt,c) The Giants running attack has simply not even been close to what it was and d) The Giants have played some bad secondaries.3) Eli has played very well4) Smith has had problems on bombs, but he is good running slants and even long crossing patterns (his TD last week was about his range where he has struggled). he does come back to the ball very well and catches almost everything when facing the QB. He is also understanding how to get open down field more.All those things have led him to the surprising start.IMO, I would sell high, not because he isn't good, but because the issues in #2 won't remain.

Can you please elaborate on where you have noticed Smith missing these bombs. I actually think anything thrown long his way has been hauled in except the one were Eli blew a tire last game and underthrew the pass. In fact someone already posted it but Smith has caught 77% of the balls thrown his way. Now, Smith is not often asked to run deep routes (as it is not his best asset, however I think he is better at it then you give him credit for), he is the intermediate guy as well as the possession guy which is not a bad thing especially in ppr leagues.I think selling high is a mistake. Sure there has been a lot of things line up for Smith to be sitting as the WR 1 in fantasy. But in ppr he will continue to be a solid play for many more years to come. Even if/when Hicks becomes more involved. SMith is not going to be replaced in this offense. Also, the Giants passing attack is good enough to support 2 players in the passing attack for fantasy purposes. Smith will always have a constant role on the team, and it appears that he will lead this team in targets/receptions going forward and not just for this year.

 

[gregjcross]

-He's fairly small

6'0, 195 is not small for a WR. Not large, granted, but not small, fairly or otherwise.

Agreed and he plays larger than 6'0. He has done a good job at adjusting to balls and has went up on a couple of plays to take the ball at its highest point away from defenders.We are seeing a guy budding into a star here. I think the emergency of Mario, Hicks will elevate Smith as teams will not be able to double him. Also, the Giants have done a very good job of moving him around whereas he is tough to defend as he runs routes so well, finds soft spots in zones, and him and Eli are on the same page.

Carter, this was a good prediction and I was on record saying that liked Smith a lot, but didn't think he would be a great fantasy option. However, I have to make a few comments:1) The above is not really true as Smith has not "Larry Fitzgerald" balls this year.2) A few things have have happened that have helped him be the primary focus. a)Hixon got got hurt, b)Hicks got hurt,c) The Giants running attack has simply not even been close to what it was and d) The Giants have played some bad secondaries.3) Eli has played very well4) Smith has had problems on bombs, but he is good running slants and even long crossing patterns (his TD last week was about his range where he has struggled). he does come back to the ball very well and catches almost everything when facing the QB. He is also understanding how to get open down field more.All those things have led him to the surprising start.IMO, I would sell high, not because he isn't good, but because the issues in #2 won't remain.

Can you please elaborate on where you have noticed Smith missing these bombs. I actually think anything thrown long his way has been hauled in except the one were Eli blew a tire last game and underthrew the pass. In fact someone already posted it but Smith has caught 77% of the balls thrown his way. Now, Smith is not often asked to run deep routes (as it is not his best asset, however I think he is better at it then you give him credit for), he is the intermediate guy as well as the possession guy which is not a bad thing especially in ppr leagues.I think selling high is a mistake. Sure there has been a lot of things line up for Smith to be sitting as the WR 1 in fantasy. But in ppr he will continue to be a solid play for many more years to come. Even if/when Hicks becomes more involved. SMith is not going to be replaced in this offense. Also, the Giants passing attack is good enough to support 2 players in the passing attack for fantasy purposes. Smith will always have a constant role on the team, and it appears that he will lead this team in targets/receptions going forward and not just for this year.

I wouldn't trade a Giant WR right now personally. Im holding both Smith and Manningham in one league and Manningham in all other dynasty/contest formats. Why? Eli is the man. The only thing that scares me is cold weather night games in late November and December.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I can't take it any longer. I think I am one of the very "few" on here that think this guy is not getting enough love at all....... I did see a couple others from the Nicks thread that feel he is underrated as well but I want to come to his defense.Why I feel he is getting no love.... Steve Smith is not a flashy guy, he goes about his business extremly quietly. He will not wow you with 70 yard TD highlight reel catch. He also won't out jump a DB to make a spectacular catch or run a 4.3 forty. He has played out of the slot his first two years in the league and people are concerned that he is only a slot guy. He will be competing with Nicks or even a Hixon for touches. And the Giants run to much and he will not get the looks and it goes on and on. I think he is one of the biggest sleeper WR guys out there. Everyone is fixiated on the rookie coming in and being "the guy." I don't think Nicks having success in NY is going to hurt Smith as much as it will help him. The guy finds a way to get open as seen last year in his WR 3 role. He had 57 receptions and 574 yards with 1 TD all the while playing limited snaps due to his role out of the slot. Many people view him as specifcially a slot guy and although he has many slot characteristics I think he will line up outside this year and do quite well.The NYG are going to start him this year outside and when they go to 3 reciever sets he will move into the slot which is not a bad thing for Smith as Eli likes to look his way a lot when he is lined up in there as indicated by his 57 catches last year in that role. Therefore in a starting role this year and with the trust and comfort level he has with Eli and the Giants why is he not being projected to do better? They have no Burress and Toomer has moved on as well. They have an average guy in Hixon who is/will lose his job to Nicks sooner than later. The only certainity at this stage appears to be Smith's role which should be a very important one to this offense. I think in a PPR league more specifically he is going to suprise a lot of people. I liken him to a Houshy, or Welker or Cotchery. Guys that are far from flashy but go out there get open for their QB's and catch the ball by running good routes and having great hands. There was rumour of the Giants trying to get Edwards but the asking price of a draft pick and Smith was nothing the Giants were willing to do at all. The Giants like this guy, Eli likes this guy, this guy is starting, this guy had 57 catches as a non starter, this guy is battle tested, and this guy is someone I think to many people are sleeping on. Am I the only one???

bump as I am glad I went with my gut and aquired this guy on the cheap in my dynasty league last year with high expectations and threw myself out there defending what Smith was capable of doing.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Dude was pure gold in PPR leagues, I had him in quite a few of those

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

107 catches, 1220 yards, with 7 TD's in his first year as a starter and I am still hearing rumblings that he might be a one year wonder, he is getting passed over in dynasty leagues due to low celing and not seen as an elite player etc.

The guy is 25 years old (turning 26 in may) and will continue to be reliable again going forward. I see him as a steal in ppr leagues as people just don't want to believe in him. I pimped him all off season and will stand by it again this offseason. In PPR this guy will be a wr 1.

 

[chook]

He could well be.

But Nicks just looks so damn good, I think Smith may have just been keeping a seat warm last season.

...or I could just be a bitter guy who had to decide between Jason Hill & Smith on roster cut day a couple of years back

 

[travdogg]

I'm very slowly coming around on him as well. He was kinda Eli's version of Welker last year. Whenever I say the Giants(which was basically only when they were nationally televised) it seemed whenver they needed a first down, they went to Smith. I think its reasonable that his YPC improves slightly. Maybe to 12-13, he's not used on deep routes often, but its not because he can't do that, its because Nicks and Manningham are better deep.

Let's not forget that he was the #1 WR in all of fantasy football until Eli hurt his heel,which I should also point out was when NY was playing the bottomfeeders of the league, except for Dallas.

It could just be a one year thing, but I think the Giants are starting to become a passing team, that's certainly where the majority of their offensive talent is, and there is enough room for both Smith and Nicks to excel in the future.

I think Smith is a good WR2 and maybe even a low-end WR1 in PPR leagues. I see him as a guy who will finish with about 90-1,100-6 for years to come, and he's got some upside with the TD's in my opinion.

 

[bigern1000]

He could well be.But Nicks just looks so damn good, I think Smith may have just been keeping a seat warm last season.

Yeah, but the two can very easily co-exist and be viable WR1-2 options in all leagues. This is a very bizarre time in G-Man land, with a potential upcoming season including a rebuilding defense and a pass-first offense...

 

[cstu]

Steve Smith is absolutely great at what he does. He may not be a game-breaker, but he can have a lot good years ala Hines Ward.

 

[Nagle2998]

Steve Smith is absolutely great at what he does. He may not be a game-breaker, but he can have a lot good years ala Hines Ward.

I was thinking a Ward type career also not huge numbers every game but great seasons that usually go under the radar.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I don't see Smith coming off the Field... Manningham had his great moments but he also had some of the worst drops a WR could have. I watched just about every NY game last yr. Hicks is going to be pretty good.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

I don't see Smith coming off the Field... Manningham had his great moments but he also had some of the worst drops a WR could have. I watched just about every NY game last yr. Hicks is going to be pretty good.

Smith won't come off the field. He and Nicks will start and when the team goes to 3 wr sets (bringing in Mario), Smith will move to the slot where he is heavily targetted.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Steve Smith is the most overhyped WR being drafted in the 2nd-3rd round this year. I say this every year but it falls on deaf ears...The guys from last year won't finish exactly the same this year, you can take that to the bank. Now when I look for guys that are not hitting top10 status again...or top20, guys like SMith leap out to me. He had no one to really push him last year, and he does have really good hands, not gonna say he doesn't. I watched him all 4 years at USC, I like SMith fine but he is nowhere near the talent level of any of the top guys in the NFL. And this year he will probably fall behind Nicks even on his own team.

Those 107 or so receptions he had last year, all an illusion my friends. Smith will be lucky to haul in 80 receptions. And for anyone that is going to ridicule, no problem. When myself and a few others posted that Roy Williams wouldn't have 60 receptions a couple years ago we were heckled to kingdom come, but honestly Smith is being drafted way too high, and I see him much more in the 80 range than anything close to 100...in fact I think it's something in the 70-75...80 would be more at the top to me this year.

Only elite WR can maintain in the top10 year in and year out. I love Steve Smith's work ethic. I love Steve SMith's atitude towards the game and the fans. I just don't feel Smith is elite and many owners this year are gonna feel slighted.

 

[valence]

Steve Smith is the most overhyped WR being drafted in the 2nd-3rd round this year. I say this every year but it falls on deaf ears...The guys from last year won't finish exactly the same this year, you can take that to the bank. Now when I look for guys that are not hitting top10 status again...or top20, guys like SMith leap out to me. He had no one to really push him last year, and he does have really good hands, not gonna say he doesn't. I watched him all 4 years at USC, I like SMith fine but he is nowhere near the talent level of any of the top guys in the NFL. And this year he will probably fall behind Nicks even on his own team. Those 107 or so receptions he had last year, all an illusion my friends. Smith will be lucky to haul in 80 receptions. And for anyone that is going to ridicule, no problem. When myself and a few others posted that Roy Williams wouldn't have 60 receptions a couple years ago we were heckled to kingdom come, but honestly Smith is being drafted way too high, and I see him much more in the 80 range than anything close to 100...in fact I think it's something in the 70-75...80 would be more at the top to me this year. Only elite WR can maintain in the top10 year in and year out. I love Steve Smith's work ethic. I love Steve SMith's atitude towards the game and the fans. I just don't feel Smith is elite and many owners this year are gonna feel slighted.

I'd agree with this. I think Nicks leapfrogs him this year in terms of fantasy production and can be had 3-4 rounds later than Smith.

 

[Tanner9919]

Steve Smith is the most overhyped WR being drafted in the 2nd-3rd round this year. I say this every year but it falls on deaf ears...The guys from last year won't finish exactly the same this year, you can take that to the bank. Now when I look for guys that are not hitting top10 status again...or top20, guys like SMith leap out to me. He had no one to really push him last year, and he does have really good hands, not gonna say he doesn't. I watched him all 4 years at USC, I like SMith fine but he is nowhere near the talent level of any of the top guys in the NFL. And this year he will probably fall behind Nicks even on his own team. Those 107 or so receptions he had last year, all an illusion my friends. Smith will be lucky to haul in 80 receptions. And for anyone that is going to ridicule, no problem. When myself and a few others posted that Roy Williams wouldn't have 60 receptions a couple years ago we were heckled to kingdom come, but honestly Smith is being drafted way too high, and I see him much more in the 80 range than anything close to 100...in fact I think it's something in the 70-75...80 would be more at the top to me this year. Only elite WR can maintain in the top10 year in and year out. I love Steve Smith's work ethic. I love Steve SMith's atitude towards the game and the fans. I just don't feel Smith is elite and many owners this year are gonna feel slighted.

Like Sig Bloom mentioned a few days ago, the Giants became a pass-first team almost overnight, seemingly when no one was looking..that isn't likely to change..Last year, Manning had his most productive season as a pro...just like the Steelers, the Giants are a pass-first team now, no longer relying on the smash-mouth running game...Steve Smith is a stud WR any way you slice it..he's considered by many to be the best route runner in the NFL...he was terrific at USC and has proven his abilities in the NFL.last year was no fluke..if anything, the Giants get their running game going and that, in turn, opens up the passing lanes...he is Manning's security blanket..Manningham and Moss are second-rate WR's in this offense, while Smith and Nicks are the stars..to use an analogy, Smith is Wes Welker ,while Nicks will soon become the Randy Moss type..with Manning throwing for 4k yards and 27+ TDs, there is plenty of work to go around..both guys will get their stats

 

[footballsavvy]

Steve Smith is the most overhyped WR being drafted in the 2nd-3rd round this year. I say this every year but it falls on deaf ears...The guys from last year won't finish exactly the same this year, you can take that to the bank. Now when I look for guys that are not hitting top10 status again...or top20, guys like SMith leap out to me. He had no one to really push him last year, and he does have really good hands, not gonna say he doesn't. I watched him all 4 years at USC, I like SMith fine but he is nowhere near the talent level of any of the top guys in the NFL. And this year he will probably fall behind Nicks even on his own team. Those 107 or so receptions he had last year, all an illusion my friends. Smith will be lucky to haul in 80 receptions. And for anyone that is going to ridicule, no problem. When myself and a few others posted that Roy Williams wouldn't have 60 receptions a couple years ago we were heckled to kingdom come, but honestly Smith is being drafted way too high, and I see him much more in the 80 range than anything close to 100...in fact I think it's something in the 70-75...80 would be more at the top to me this year. Only elite WR can maintain in the top10 year in and year out. I love Steve Smith's work ethic. I love Steve SMith's atitude towards the game and the fans. I just don't feel Smith is elite and many owners this year are gonna feel slighted.

Like Sig Bloom mentioned a few days ago, the Giants became a pass-first team almost overnight, seemingly when no one was looking..that isn't likely to change..Last year, Manning had his most productive season as a pro...just like the Steelers, the Giants are a pass-first team now, no longer relying on the smash-mouth running game...Steve Smith is a stud WR any way you slice it..he's considered by many to be the best route runner in the NFL...he was terrific at USC and has proven his abilities in the NFL.last year was no fluke..if anything, the Giants get their running game going and that, in turn, opens up the passing lanes...he is Manning's security blanket..Manningham and Moss are second-rate WR's in this offense, while Smith and Nicks are the stars..to use an analogy, Smith is Wes Welker ,while Nicks will soon become the Randy Moss type..with Manning throwing for 4k yards and 27+ TDs, there is plenty of work to go around..both guys will get their stats

My only question is: Is there any chance Smith goes back to just the slot role with Nicks and Manningham playing in 2 wr sets? I think Giants will be in 3wr sets enough for Smith to do well regardless, but it would be tough to scare 100 catches again if he's not on the field quite as often. Also, you have to give an uptick to Nicks as a 2nd year receiver. Those receptions have to come from somehwere. Either Eli has to have about 50 more attempts in 2010 than he did in 2009, or Smiths stats will have to take a slight dip.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I think NIcks impacts Mario muc more than he does Steve Smith.

Steve Smith's role is so different than the other two WR on NYG that I see his role and slice of the pie to be about the same.

Now 107 is a very high amount of catches. With improved defense and running I see those coming back to the norm some.

80-85 feels about right. On 3rd n 8 they ar going to Steve Smith. just about every time.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Carter, I sometimes do not get back to threads and I apologize for not answering your question about Smith dropping some bombs last year (and previously). he did struggle on a few long bombs, but did hall in one later in the year. he is best when facing the QB, but he is a terrific route runner and has excellent hands. His high catch rate is a combination of his ability to get open, his hands and Eli finding him at the right time.

I don't play PPR (I still don't get why people want to reward a catch), but I still think he is a guy that I would not target as a top 10 receiver because of all the factors I listed in a much earlier post. Mainly, the Giant running attack was poor last season for them, Nicks is as good Smith and they have other options that are decent in the passing game. last year my prediction was wrong because Smith was ranked 11th in my scoring and that was better than the 20th or so I would have expected. I think with the other Giant receivers healthier and the running attack healthier, I would expect a drop off from his numbers more into the 20th range in non ppr scoring.

ETA: The Giant defense was putrid last season and that may have helped the passing game as well

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Like Sig Bloom mentioned a few days ago, the Giants became a pass-first team almost overnight, seemingly when no one was looking..that isn't likely to change..Last year, Manning had his most productive season as a pro...just like the Steelers, the Giants are a pass-first team now, no longer relying on the smash-mouth running game...

Is this what most people believe? That the Giants are suddenly a passing team? I'm a bit floored by that view.Here's one way to look at it:- When the Giants leaned more heavily on the running game and had healthy RBs, they won the Super Bowl- Last year the entire backfield was injured, with Jacobs doing his best impression of post-breakdown Christian Okoye - and the running game suffered- Additionally, the defense lost a good chunk of its secondary and had no LB corps to speak of, so they a Paul Westhead defense- Consequently, the Giants threw the ball a ton- This resulted in......not making the playoffsCould somebody explain to me which of the above factors will be repeated in 2010? Along with helping me understand why Coughlin & co. would prefer to sit home in January rather than aim for another title?

 

[Liquid Tension]

Like Sig Bloom mentioned a few days ago, the Giants became a pass-first team almost overnight, seemingly when no one was looking..that isn't likely to change..Last year, Manning had his most productive season as a pro...just like the Steelers, the Giants are a pass-first team now, no longer relying on the smash-mouth running game...

Is this what most people believe? That the Giants are suddenly a passing team? I'm a bit floored by that view.Here's one way to look at it:- When the Giants leaned more heavily on the running game and had healthy RBs, they won the Super Bowl- Last year the entire backfield was injured, with Jacobs doing his best impression of post-breakdown Christian Okoye - and the running game suffered- Additionally, the defense lost a good chunk of its secondary and had no LB corps to speak of, so they a Paul Westhead defense- Consequently, the Giants threw the ball a ton- This resulted in......not making the playoffsCould somebody explain to me which of the above factors will be repeated in 2010? Along with helping me understand why Coughlin & co. would prefer to sit home in January rather than aim for another title?

They became a passing team when the OL struggled and the entire running attack was injured combined with the worst defense the Giants have endured in 20+ years...Their offense is geared to throw, but I don't think they will throw as much as last year unless they need to and expect that need to be less

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Like Sig Bloom mentioned a few days ago, the Giants became a pass-first team almost overnight, seemingly when no one was looking..that isn't likely to change..Last year, Manning had his most productive season as a pro...just like the Steelers, the Giants are a pass-first team now, no longer relying on the smash-mouth running game...

Is this what most people believe? That the Giants are suddenly a passing team? I'm a bit floored by that view.Here's one way to look at it:- When the Giants leaned more heavily on the running game and had healthy RBs, they won the Super Bowl- Last year the entire backfield was injured, with Jacobs doing his best impression of post-breakdown Christian Okoye - and the running game suffered- Additionally, the defense lost a good chunk of its secondary and had no LB corps to speak of, so they a Paul Westhead defense- Consequently, the Giants threw the ball a ton- This resulted in......not making the playoffsCould somebody explain to me which of the above factors will be repeated in 2010? Along with helping me understand why Coughlin & co. would prefer to sit home in January rather than aim for another title?

The Giants run game in 2008 was amazing, and their defense played exceptionally well the year they won that SB. The Giants run game will be hard pressed to repeat 2008 numbers as it was that good of a year, and their defense is not what it once was as well.People are not looking at the numbers that closely to say the Giants threw a ton last year. That is NOT correct. Eli has starting for the Giants for the last 5 years. Over those 5 years he has not missed a game and his pass attemps are as follows, 557, 522, 529, 479, 509 (this past year). So over the course of mannings career he has averaged 519 pass attempts per season. Where is this TONS of passes that Mannnig threw last year coming from.Another stats Eli Manning averaged 31.8 pass attempts per game which was good for only 19th in the league, behind such guys like Chand Henne, David Garrard, Alex Smith, Matt Cassel. The Giants were balanced last year. The Giants averaged the 13th most rush attempts per game last year in the NFL. Eli Manning was just a better QB last year then people are realizing. He did not throw a TON more, he was just more productive with the throws he was making. His percentage was up as well as his YPA. He also has the ability to throw TD's consistently as he is a lock to throw 20 plus TD's every year.Steve Smith is going to get his balls and see no reason why he does not catch 80 plus balls as a floor.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Like Sig Bloom mentioned a few days ago, the Giants became a pass-first team almost overnight, seemingly when no one was looking..that isn't likely to change..Last year, Manning had his most productive season as a pro...just like the Steelers, the Giants are a pass-first team now, no longer relying on the smash-mouth running game...

Is this what most people believe? That the Giants are suddenly a passing team? I'm a bit floored by that view.Here's one way to look at it:- When the Giants leaned more heavily on the running game and had healthy RBs, they won the Super Bowl- Last year the entire backfield was injured, with Jacobs doing his best impression of post-breakdown Christian Okoye - and the running game suffered- Additionally, the defense lost a good chunk of its secondary and had no LB corps to speak of, so they a Paul Westhead defense- Consequently, the Giants threw the ball a ton- This resulted in......not making the playoffsCould somebody explain to me which of the above factors will be repeated in 2010? Along with helping me understand why Coughlin & co. would prefer to sit home in January rather than aim for another title?

The Giants run game in 2008 was amazing, and their defense played exceptionally well the year they won that SB. The Giants run game will be hard pressed to repeat 2008 numbers as it was that good of a year, and their defense is not what it once was as well.People are not looking at the numbers that closely to say the Giants threw a ton last year. That is NOT correct. Eli has starting for the Giants for the last 5 years. Over those 5 years he has not missed a game and his pass attemps are as follows, 557, 522, 529, 479, 509 (this past year). So over the course of mannings career he has averaged 519 pass attempts per season. Where is this TONS of passes that Mannnig threw last year coming from.Another stats Eli Manning averaged 31.8 pass attempts per game which was good for only 19th in the league, behind such guys like Chand Henne, David Garrard, Alex Smith, Matt Cassel. The Giants were balanced last year. The Giants averaged the 13th most rush attempts per game last year in the NFL. Eli Manning was just a better QB last year then people are realizing. He did not throw a TON more, he was just more productive with the throws he was making. His percentage was up as well as his YPA. He also has the ability to throw TD's consistently as he is a lock to throw 20 plus TD's every year.Steve Smith is going to get his balls and see no reason why he does not catch 80 plus balls as a floor.

Your numbers are correct, but I would bet the number of offensive plays for teh Giants was down a lot due to their defense being on the field so long. I sense the Giants threw a higher % of offensive plays last year than the previous years...do the stats backup my thought?

 

[kentric]

I think NIcks impacts Mario muc more than he does Steve Smith.Steve Smith's role is so different than the other two WR on NYG that I see his role and slice of the pie to be about the same.Now 107 is a very high amount of catches. With improved defense and running I see those coming back to the norm some.80-85 feels about right. On 3rd n 8 they ar going to Steve Smith. just about every time.

I couldn't have put it better myself sniffer. Smith has developed a tremendous rapport with Manning. When a first down is on the line, the majority of his looks go to Smith. He knows Smith will do a 9 yard curl on 3rd and 8 instead of a 7 yard curl. He also knows that if the ball is in the area, Smith will make the catch. In PPR leagues, I don't see Smith having less than 90 receptions.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

Like Sig Bloom mentioned a few days ago, the Giants became a pass-first team almost overnight, seemingly when no one was looking..that isn't likely to change..Last year, Manning had his most productive season as a pro...just like the Steelers, the Giants are a pass-first team now, no longer relying on the smash-mouth running game...

Is this what most people believe? That the Giants are suddenly a passing team? I'm a bit floored by that view.Here's one way to look at it:- When the Giants leaned more heavily on the running game and had healthy RBs, they won the Super Bowl- Last year the entire backfield was injured, with Jacobs doing his best impression of post-breakdown Christian Okoye - and the running game suffered- Additionally, the defense lost a good chunk of its secondary and had no LB corps to speak of, so they a Paul Westhead defense- Consequently, the Giants threw the ball a ton- This resulted in......not making the playoffsCould somebody explain to me which of the above factors will be repeated in 2010? Along with helping me understand why Coughlin & co. would prefer to sit home in January rather than aim for another title?

The Giants run game in 2008 was amazing, and their defense played exceptionally well the year they won that SB. The Giants run game will be hard pressed to repeat 2008 numbers as it was that good of a year, and their defense is not what it once was as well.People are not looking at the numbers that closely to say the Giants threw a ton last year. That is NOT correct. Eli has starting for the Giants for the last 5 years. Over those 5 years he has not missed a game and his pass attemps are as follows, 557, 522, 529, 479, 509 (this past year). So over the course of mannings career he has averaged 519 pass attempts per season. Where is this TONS of passes that Mannnig threw last year coming from.Another stats Eli Manning averaged 31.8 pass attempts per game which was good for only 19th in the league, behind such guys like Chand Henne, David Garrard, Alex Smith, Matt Cassel. The Giants were balanced last year. The Giants averaged the 13th most rush attempts per game last year in the NFL. Eli Manning was just a better QB last year then people are realizing. He did not throw a TON more, he was just more productive with the throws he was making. His percentage was up as well as his YPA. He also has the ability to throw TD's consistently as he is a lock to throw 20 plus TD's every year.Steve Smith is going to get his balls and see no reason why he does not catch 80 plus balls as a floor.

Looks like we agree then that the Giants aren't a pass-first offense.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Like Sig Bloom mentioned a few days ago, the Giants became a pass-first team almost overnight, seemingly when no one was looking..that isn't likely to change..Last year, Manning had his most productive season as a pro...just like the Steelers, the Giants are a pass-first team now, no longer relying on the smash-mouth running game...

Is this what most people believe? That the Giants are suddenly a passing team? I'm a bit floored by that view.Here's one way to look at it:- When the Giants leaned more heavily on the running game and had healthy RBs, they won the Super Bowl- Last year the entire backfield was injured, with Jacobs doing his best impression of post-breakdown Christian Okoye - and the running game suffered- Additionally, the defense lost a good chunk of its secondary and had no LB corps to speak of, so they a Paul Westhead defense- Consequently, the Giants threw the ball a ton- This resulted in......not making the playoffsCould somebody explain to me which of the above factors will be repeated in 2010? Along with helping me understand why Coughlin & co. would prefer to sit home in January rather than aim for another title?

The Giants run game in 2008 was amazing, and their defense played exceptionally well the year they won that SB. The Giants run game will be hard pressed to repeat 2008 numbers as it was that good of a year, and their defense is not what it once was as well.People are not looking at the numbers that closely to say the Giants threw a ton last year. That is NOT correct. Eli has starting for the Giants for the last 5 years. Over those 5 years he has not missed a game and his pass attemps are as follows, 557, 522, 529, 479, 509 (this past year). So over the course of mannings career he has averaged 519 pass attempts per season. Where is this TONS of passes that Mannnig threw last year coming from.Another stats Eli Manning averaged 31.8 pass attempts per game which was good for only 19th in the league, behind such guys like Chand Henne, David Garrard, Alex Smith, Matt Cassel. The Giants were balanced last year. The Giants averaged the 13th most rush attempts per game last year in the NFL. Eli Manning was just a better QB last year then people are realizing. He did not throw a TON more, he was just more productive with the throws he was making. His percentage was up as well as his YPA. He also has the ability to throw TD's consistently as he is a lock to throw 20 plus TD's every year.Steve Smith is going to get his balls and see no reason why he does not catch 80 plus balls as a floor.

Looks like we agree then that the Giants aren't a pass-first offense.

Agreed, I think they are a balanced offense, one that can produce elite fantasy numbers by being efficient with their passing attack. Rivers, Big Ben, McNabb, Rogers all like Eli averaged less than 34 pass attempts a game and put up excellent fantasy numbers.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Like Sig Bloom mentioned a few days ago, the Giants became a pass-first team almost overnight, seemingly when no one was looking..that isn't likely to change..Last year, Manning had his most productive season as a pro...just like the Steelers, the Giants are a pass-first team now, no longer relying on the smash-mouth running game...

Is this what most people believe? That the Giants are suddenly a passing team? I'm a bit floored by that view.Here's one way to look at it:- When the Giants leaned more heavily on the running game and had healthy RBs, they won the Super Bowl- Last year the entire backfield was injured, with Jacobs doing his best impression of post-breakdown Christian Okoye - and the running game suffered- Additionally, the defense lost a good chunk of its secondary and had no LB corps to speak of, so they a Paul Westhead defense- Consequently, the Giants threw the ball a ton- This resulted in......not making the playoffsCould somebody explain to me which of the above factors will be repeated in 2010? Along with helping me understand why Coughlin & co. would prefer to sit home in January rather than aim for another title?

The Giants run game in 2008 was amazing, and their defense played exceptionally well the year they won that SB. The Giants run game will be hard pressed to repeat 2008 numbers as it was that good of a year, and their defense is not what it once was as well.People are not looking at the numbers that closely to say the Giants threw a ton last year. That is NOT correct. Eli has starting for the Giants for the last 5 years. Over those 5 years he has not missed a game and his pass attemps are as follows, 557, 522, 529, 479, 509 (this past year). So over the course of mannings career he has averaged 519 pass attempts per season. Where is this TONS of passes that Mannnig threw last year coming from.Another stats Eli Manning averaged 31.8 pass attempts per game which was good for only 19th in the league, behind such guys like Chand Henne, David Garrard, Alex Smith, Matt Cassel. The Giants were balanced last year. The Giants averaged the 13th most rush attempts per game last year in the NFL. Eli Manning was just a better QB last year then people are realizing. He did not throw a TON more, he was just more productive with the throws he was making. His percentage was up as well as his YPA. He also has the ability to throw TD's consistently as he is a lock to throw 20 plus TD's every year.Steve Smith is going to get his balls and see no reason why he does not catch 80 plus balls as a floor.

Your numbers are correct, but I would bet the number of offensive plays for teh Giants was down a lot due to their defense being on the field so long. I sense the Giants threw a higher % of offensive plays last year than the previous years...do the stats backup my thought?

Wrong... the Giants had 1017 plays from scrimmage this past year in 2009 with their bad defense. They had 1021 plays from scrimmage in 2008. Eli was just more efficient from a passing perspective this past year.

 

[JPeso]

I think NIcks impacts Mario muc more than he does Steve Smith.Steve Smith's role is so different than the other two WR on NYG that I see his role and slice of the pie to be about the same.Now 107 is a very high amount of catches. With improved defense and running I see those coming back to the norm some.80-85 feels about right. On 3rd n 8 they ar going to Steve Smith. just about every time.

I couldn't have put it better myself sniffer. Smith has developed a tremendous rapport with Manning. When a first down is on the line, the majority of his looks go to Smith. He knows Smith will do a 9 yard curl on 3rd and 8 instead of a 7 yard curl. He also knows that if the ball is in the area, Smith will make the catch. In PPR leagues, I don't see Smith having less than 90 receptions.

Chalk me up as another in this camp.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Like Sig Bloom mentioned a few days ago, the Giants became a pass-first team almost overnight, seemingly when no one was looking..that isn't likely to change..Last year, Manning had his most productive season as a pro...just like the Steelers, the Giants are a pass-first team now, no longer relying on the smash-mouth running game...

Is this what most people believe? That the Giants are suddenly a passing team? I'm a bit floored by that view.Here's one way to look at it:- When the Giants leaned more heavily on the running game and had healthy RBs, they won the Super Bowl- Last year the entire backfield was injured, with Jacobs doing his best impression of post-breakdown Christian Okoye - and the running game suffered- Additionally, the defense lost a good chunk of its secondary and had no LB corps to speak of, so they a Paul Westhead defense- Consequently, the Giants threw the ball a ton- This resulted in......not making the playoffsCould somebody explain to me which of the above factors will be repeated in 2010? Along with helping me understand why Coughlin & co. would prefer to sit home in January rather than aim for another title?

The Giants run game in 2008 was amazing, and their defense played exceptionally well the year they won that SB. The Giants run game will be hard pressed to repeat 2008 numbers as it was that good of a year, and their defense is not what it once was as well.People are not looking at the numbers that closely to say the Giants threw a ton last year. That is NOT correct. Eli has starting for the Giants for the last 5 years. Over those 5 years he has not missed a game and his pass attemps are as follows, 557, 522, 529, 479, 509 (this past year). So over the course of mannings career he has averaged 519 pass attempts per season. Where is this TONS of passes that Mannnig threw last year coming from.Another stats Eli Manning averaged 31.8 pass attempts per game which was good for only 19th in the league, behind such guys like Chand Henne, David Garrard, Alex Smith, Matt Cassel. The Giants were balanced last year. The Giants averaged the 13th most rush attempts per game last year in the NFL. Eli Manning was just a better QB last year then people are realizing. He did not throw a TON more, he was just more productive with the throws he was making. His percentage was up as well as his YPA. He also has the ability to throw TD's consistently as he is a lock to throw 20 plus TD's every year.Steve Smith is going to get his balls and see no reason why he does not catch 80 plus balls as a floor.

Your numbers are correct, but I would bet the number of offensive plays for teh Giants was down a lot due to their defense being on the field so long. I sense the Giants threw a higher % of offensive plays last year than the previous years...do the stats backup my thought?

Wrong... the Giants had 1017 plays from scrimmage this past year in 2009 with their bad defense. They had 1021 plays from scrimmage in 2008. Eli was just more efficient from a passing perspective this past year.

ah hah! I knew they had less plays last year!

 

[JamesTheScot]

Like Sig Bloom mentioned a few days ago, the Giants became a pass-first team almost overnight, seemingly when no one was looking..that isn't likely to change..Last year, Manning had his most productive season as a pro...just like the Steelers, the Giants are a pass-first team now, no longer relying on the smash-mouth running game...

Steve Smith is a stud WR any way you slice it..he's considered by many to be the best route runner in the NFL...he was terrific at USC and has proven his abilities in the NFL.last year was no fluke..if anything, the Giants get their running game going and that, in turn, opens up the passing lanes...

he is Manning's security blanket..Manningham and Moss are second-rate WR's in this offense, while Smith and Nicks are the stars..to use an analogy, Smith is Wes Welker ,while Nicks will soon become the Randy Moss type..

with Manning throwing for 4k yards and 27+ TDs, there is plenty of work to go around..both guys will

get their stats

I don't know that his will be good for Smith. For one thing D's still play down and distance and read formations. So other than the play action, i don't know that an effective running game really opens things up as much as we theorize that it does, especially in the middle of the field.

If the safeties have their eyes in the backfield and delay in giving over-the-top help to the CB's or backpedaling into the deep middle, that would seem to be a benefit that inures to Hicks and Mannigham, not Smith. If anything, it would seem to act to keep the S's from clearing out the middle as fast, thus resulting in more bodies in the short to intermediate middle where Smith flourishes.

Just a thought.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

My annual Steve Smith glory thread and bump (my league members will love me for this one).... Remember Steve Smith is still only 25 years old and won't be 26 till May.

Year 1 since I started this thead... 107 catches 1220 yards and 7 TD's

Year 2 on pace for 98 catches, 1077 yards and 5 TD's (this all the while with Nicks blowing up, Nicks is stud but take these numbers out of Smith)

 

[gianmarco]

My annual Steve Smith glory thread and bump (my league members will love me for this one).... Remember Steve Smith is still only 25 years old and won't be 26 till May.Year 1 since I started this thead... 107 catches 1220 yards and 7 TD's Year 2 on pace for 98 catches, 1077 yards and 5 TD's (this all the while with Nicks blowing up, Nicks is stud but take these numbers out of Smith)