Steven Jackson holding out? (1 Viewer)

[massraider]

So he has only two holdouts?

If his advice costs his client a year of eligibility, his competence needs to be questioned.

It only costs SJax a year of eligibility if he doesn't sign an extension. if he signs a new contract he will be just fine...Which is what his agent is telling him about every hour I'm sure...

Right. But, and I am sure you already know this, the agent is making a huge mistake by taking away the option of free agency.This move gives the Rams major leverage. Now SJax almost HAS to sign with them.

 

[TheFanatic]

So he has only two holdouts?

If his advice costs his client a year of eligibility, his competence needs to be questioned.

It only costs SJax a year of eligibility if he doesn't sign an extension. if he signs a new contract he will be just fine...Which is what his agent is telling him about every hour I'm sure...

Right. But, and I am sure you already know this, the agent is making a huge mistake by taking away the option of free agency.This move gives the Rams major leverage. Now SJax almost HAS to sign with them.

I agree. He has lost leverage. But he had a great deal to start with. The Rams aren't sporting Michael Turner as a backup to SJax. Closer to Michael Cloud. The coach is on the hotseat. The new ownership group will be pushing for renewed fan support. The team is fresh off a 3 win season. If he reports he'll get 2nd/3rd RB money almost guaranteed. If he needs more than that then he probably won't see the sideline till week 10 and the Rams will fine him about $500K and he won't see more than half of his salary for this year...

 

[dapunisher]

Cedric Benson (Super Bowl running back)

Hands down my favorite entry. And for the record, I wasn't defending Parker. Just posting a question about his other clients. I don't follow the annual training camp drama too closely.

 

[TheFanatic]

Cedric Benson (Super Bowl running back)

Hands down my favorite entry. And for the record, I wasn't defending Parker. Just posting a question about his other clients. I don't follow the annual training camp drama too closely.

This one is obviously second:

Rex Grossman (Super Bowl QB)

 

[Al Toon's Mole]

What if Jackson is still not 100% from the groin tear he had last year. maybe knowing this, and knows he isnt fully recovered. He is trying to hold out for a big contract knowing he will never get through the season and needs to cash in now while he can.

 

[Incogneto]

From Eugene Parker's wikipedia entry:

Clients

Some of Parker's clients include:

Hines Ward (Super Bowl XL MVP and four-time Pro Bowler)

Richard Seymour (4 time all pro)

Walter Jones (5 time all pro)

Larry Fitzgerald (All pro)

Rex Grossman (Super Bowl QB)

Devin Hester (NFL record holder, all pro)

Laveranues Coles (all pro receiver)

Jason Peters (all pro left tackle)

James Hardy (Bills 2008 2nd Round Draft Pick)

Felix Jones (Cowboys 2008 1st Round Draft Pick]

Tashard Choice (Cowboys 2008 3rd Round Draft Pick)

Steven Jackson (St. Louis Rams star running back)

As of August 1st, 2008, Jason Peters, and Steven Jackson were both holding out for new contracts.

So he has only two holdouts?

Well, let's eliminate all of his retired players (plus Benson since he'll be lucky to even end up on a team). Hardy, Jones and Choice were all rookies and none were taken all that high. So not much risk of holdouts there.

Hester was potentially a holdout until he got a ridiculous contract from the Bears. Coles is constantly whining about his contract. Ward held out a long way through training camp a few years ago, as did Walters. Seems like the guy has an MO of players that either threaten, or do hold out.

So far it's worked for him. We'll see what happens here. If Peters and Jackson don't get extensions with their current teams though, then they'll probably come out on the short end of the stick.

Walter Jones, and Fitz as well, both headaches for their teams.

Walt was a headache when the Poston's represented him....since then, he signed a 7-yr. deal. He is now a model citizen.

 

[MCguidance]

Although I am not too concerned - yet - I must admit if I was drafting second in my PPR league this would likely cause me to pick Westy (assuming I am picking now, and the status quo remains).

 

[hbkhbk]

What are the chances Jackson holds out until week 10 (when he regains one year of eligibility)?

First Brandon Marshall, then Steve Smith, and now possibly Steven Jackson... I though I was a lock to win the Championship this year, but my top players are going down like flys =(

 

[Yenrub]

What are the chances Jackson holds out until week 10 (when he regains one year of eligibility)?First Brandon Marshall, then Steve Smith, and now possibly Steven Jackson... I though I was a lock to win the Championship this year, but my top players are going down like flys =(

I saw Michael Smith on some ESPN show this morning and he seems to think that Jackson sitting out that late is a real possibility Quick question - Is it week 6 or 10?

 

[3nOut]

Great buy low for keeper/dynasty leagues?

 

[TheFanatic]

What are the chances Jackson holds out until week 10 (when he regains one year of eligibility)?First Brandon Marshall, then Steve Smith, and now possibly Steven Jackson... I though I was a lock to win the Championship this year, but my top players are going down like flys =(

I saw Michael Smith on some ESPN show this morning and he seems to think that Jackson sitting out that late is a real possibility Quick question - Is it week 6 or 10?

Saw this too. Evidently this could get really ugly. The Rams Fans are already a little pissed with Jax with some crap he was whining about last year. This will not help his cause. But yeah, he can show up prior to week 10, IIRC, and still retain his year of eligibility....Gonna be a long season here in the Lou...

 

[heckmanm]

Great buy low for keeper/dynasty leagues?

I've got him in an auction league where we have to give a $10 raise to keep players . I was going to keep him at ~$80 this year ($400 cap), but I need to seriously consider throwing him back in the auction if he may sit out that long.

 

[Incogneto]

He has to play 8 weeks to make the contract count for a year....so Galloway set the presedence of showing up after the 6th game....here is an article explaining it all....but it won't get that far. Never does:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfcwest/0-2-156...s--Jackson.html

Steven Jackson's contract dispute with the Rams could linger without regard for a deadline that passes Tuesday. The fine print of the collective bargaining agreement can make situations such as this one difficult to follow. Getting bogged down in details can obscure what matters most.

Here is what matters most: To become a free agent in 2009, Jackson must report to the Rams by midseason. As a general rule, the NFL Players Association recommends reporting no later than after the eighth game of the season. This would make Nov. 3 the date by which Jackson should report to become an unrestricted free agent in March 2009.

I confirmed these general principles with Richard Berthelsen, general counsel for the NFL Players Association. He cautioned that he was not offering advice to Jackson or any specific player. In general, he said players should err on the safe side by reporting a week or so early, particularly if bye weeks are involved. The Rams have a bye Oct. 5. The eighth week of the season passes Oct. 26. To be safe, then, Jackson might want to report by Oct. 27, should this dispute linger that long.

Joey Galloway's dispute with Seattle in 1999 provides precedent. Galloway reported after the Seahawks' eighth game. The team had already had its bye week at that point. The Seahawks were able to put him on an exemption list for up to two weeks. But by reporting with eight games remaining, Galloway made sure he would spend at least six regular-season games on the active roster, the number needed to fulfill his contract.

"Joey Galloway reported after the eighth and before the ninth (games). The arbitrator ruled he therefore had a contract year and he was a free agent after that year. After the 10th game, a player cannot come back. I would caution a player to do it by the ninth week." -- Richard Berthlesen, NFLPA general counsel

I had previously expected Jackson to report to the Rams in time to receive credit for an accrued season (as defined by the CBA). That deadline is today, Tuesday, 30 days before the NFL's first regular-season game. But that deadline is secondary because Jackson already has enough accrued seasons -- four -- to qualify for free agency once his contract expires.

In other words, Jackson can fulfill the final year of his contract even if he doesn't receive credit for an accrued season. These are separate issues.

Accrued seasons are important for determining whether a player is eligible for free agency when his contract expires. Accrued seasons do not determine whether the contract expires.

As a result, missing the deadline today carries no immediate consequences for Jackson. Missing the deadline probably won't affect Jackson in the more distant future, either. His free-agency status could be at risk in 2010 if certain things happen. Of course, Jackson will probably have a new long-term deal before then.

A few things to keep in mind:

Players with at least four accrued seasons in the NFL are eligible to become unrestricted free agents when their contracts expire.

Jackson already has four accrued seasons in the NFL (2004, 2005, 2006, 2007).

Jackson is therefore eligible for unrestricted free agency when his contract expires.

NFL players can fulfill their contracts by reporting after the eighth game, according to precedent set in the Joey Galloway ruling.

Jackson could fulfill his contract if he reports by Oct. 27, at which point he would ask the commissioner for reinstatement.

These are confusing issues. If you have additional questions, please let me know. I'll provide additional clarifications as information becomes available.

 

[Yenrub]

He has to play 8 weeks to make the contract count for a year....so Galloway set the presedence of showing up after the 6th game....here is an article explaining it all....but it won't get that far. Never does:

Umm I wouldn't say never...see your previous statement about Galloway