Steven Jackson vs. Cadillac Williams (1 Viewer)

[Garts]

Who would you rather have long-term in fantsy football????? I like SJax myself.

 

[RAPTURE]

I like Steven Jackson as well! RAPTURE

 

[Rev]

SJax. Athletically, he is an absolute specimen who just needs to be set loose and used properly.

 

[MLBrandow]

I have to go with Williams. Watching him all year as a Bucs fan, he makes incredibly intelligent plays, and he's not in a pass-happy offense. Who knows what the future holds for St. Louis, but I do know that Williams will be the focus of the Buc offense as long as Gruden is the coach.

 

[LHUCKS]

Caddy

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

This one really is a Toss up to me.If I had to choose one I would pick S.Jax but I could be swayed either way.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Cadilliac....he will be a stud in a few years when Alstott is outta there. Alstott had 6 rushing TDs this year, and they all came within the 2 yard line.

 

[Otis]

I think Cadillac is the better pure runner, but SJax may be more of a physical specimen. I like Caddy's chances of being a career top-4 fantasy back better than SJax's.

 

[Routilla]

Caddy. Until STL starts running the ball more and playing defense, I think SJ is a risk from a) not getting the ball while playing from behind, and b) not getting the ball because STL throws so much.

 

[zamboni]

I'd call it even right now, although Jackson's value could go up or down depending on who the next coach is and what type of system he brings.

 

[shadyridr]

I have to go with the talent right now and I think Cadillac is FAR more talented than Jackson and thats not saying Jackson is not a talented RB.

 

[mbuehner]

You dont get fantasy points for physical specimenhood. Caddy moves the chains.

 

[modus]

I'd go with Jackson right now unless Tampa improves that line. Cadillac gets all his yards at the end of the game, in the beginning he's usually not very effective. Then there are the teams he just can't run on.

 

[Otis]

I'd go with Jackson right now unless Tampa improves that line. Cadillac gets all his yards at the end of the game, in the beginning he's usually not very effective. Then there are the teams he just can't run on.

I'll agree that the Tampa line needs work. Figure they'll address that this offseason, especially in view of the type of offense they want to run.

 

[zamboni]

The other thing that may inevitably give Caddy a leg up is getting more involved in the passing game. If/when Pittman leaves, that could mean even bigger things for the kid.

 

[mektarus]

Caddy, he has the intangibles and plays with an intelligence and a maturity that belies the fact that he's a rookie.

 

[Jedeye]

This is totally dependent on who is the head coach for St. Louis next year. If the philosophy does not change, I'd say Caddy. But if they get a coach who is a bit more conventional, then Jackson easily.The situation with a goal line back always bothers me with Gruden's teams. Same thing happened in Oak with the vulturing of TDs. Even when Allstott is gone, there will be another short yardage vulture to steal away from Caddy.

 

[zamboni]

The situation with a goal line back always bothers me with Gruden's teams. Same thing happened in Oak with the vulturing of TDs. Even when Allstott is gone, there will be another short yardage vulture to steal away from Caddy.

Not necessarily - Pittman handled goal line duties when Alstott was out last year. I think Alstott is used since he's very effective in that role, and it's a luxury for Gruden.

 

[perry147]

Cadilliac hands down.

SJax has potential but if you watched the games this year he was horrible at times.

SJAX numbers this year

Wk Opp ATT YRD TD Rec YRD TD

1 SF 19 60 0 3 13 0

2 ARI 18 93 1 2 16 0

3 TEN 12 48 0 1 6 0

4 NYG 10 17 1 5 42 1

5 SEA 17 77 1 6 62 0

6 IND 17 88 1 5 39 0

7 NO 20 97 2 2 19 0

8 JAX 25 179 0 2 21 1

10 SEA 17 70 0 5 45 0

11 ARI 12 6 0 3 16 0

12 HOU 25 110 1 2 2 0

13 WAS 11 24 0 4 18 0

14 MIN 19 67 0 0 0 0

15 PHI 16 82 0 0 0 0

16 SF 16 28 1 3 21 0

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TOT 254 1046 8 43 320 2

Cadilliac Numbers this year.

Cadillac Williams

WK Opp ATT YRD TD REC YD TD

1 MIN 27 148 1 0 0 0

2 BUF 24 128 1 0 0 0

3 GB 37 158 0 1 0 0

4 DET 11 13 0 2 6 0

8 SF 13 20 0 1 5 0

9 CAR 11 29 0 3 25 0

10 WAS 10 20 0 0 0 0

11 ATL 19 116 1 3 13 0

12 CHI 20 84 0 2 7 0

13 NO 22 96 0 2 7 0

14 CAR 29 112 2 2 4 0

15 NE 14 23 0 3 4 0

16 ATL 31 150 1 1 10 0

17 NO 22 81 0 0 0 0

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290 1178 6 20 81 0

 

[modus]

This is totally dependent on who is the head coach for St. Louis next year.  If the philosophy does not change, I'd say Caddy.  But if they get a coach who is a bit more conventional, then Jackson easily.

The situation with a goal line back always bothers me with Gruden's teams.  Same thing happened in Oak with the vulturing of TDs.  Even when Allstott is gone, there will be another short yardage vulture to steal away from Caddy.

If they improve that line I think Cadillac will see a lot more goal line carries. Early in the season it was clear Gruden wasn't shy about giving him the ball near the goal line. They just have too many young guys playing that offensive line.I also question their tackles and TE's abilities to seal block, because Gruden keeps running Caddy straight up the middle. It'll be interesting to see if that changes.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I thought it was already determined that this was Alstott's last year???

 

[gump]

I'd go with Jackson right now unless Tampa improves that line. Cadillac gets all his yards at the end of the game, in the beginning he's usually not very effective. Then there are the teams he just can't run on.

3 thoughts on this:1) Agree the line is weak. That should be the focus in next year's offseason.

2) Improving during the game is a bad thing?

3) What teams can't he run on? He had 15 carries or more in 9 games. In those games, he averaged 120 yards...and never had less than 81 yards. That includes Chicago, Carolina, Atlanta (twice). NE took him out of the game, but no one has stopped him when he's gotten the carries. I would think his involvement will only increase.

 

[modus]

I'd go with Jackson right now unless Tampa improves that line.  Cadillac gets all his yards at the end of the game, in the beginning he's usually not very effective.  Then there are the teams he just can't run on.

3 thoughts on this:1) Agree the line is weak. That should be the focus in next year's offseason.

2) Improving during the game is a bad thing?

3) What teams can't he run on? He had 15 carries or more in 9 games. In those games, he averaged 120 yards...and never had less than 81 yards. That includes Chicago, Carolina, Atlanta (twice). NE took him out of the game, but no one has stopped him when he's gotten the carries. I would think his involvement will only increase.

Improving during the game is a great thing, but if you're not effective Gruden will move away from Caddy.Granted he was injured for some of these games but examples are . . .

Det - 11 rushes 13 yards

SF - 13 rushes, 20 yards

Car - 11 rushes, 29 yards

Was - 10 rushes, 20 yards

NE - 14 rushes, 23 yards

 

[BeTheMatch]

I'd go with Jackson right now unless Tampa improves that line.  Cadillac gets all his yards at the end of the game, in the beginning he's usually not very effective.  Then there are the teams he just can't run on.

3 thoughts on this:1) Agree the line is weak. That should be the focus in next year's offseason.

2) Improving during the game is a bad thing?

3) What teams can't he run on? He had 15 carries or more in 9 games. In those games, he averaged 120 yards...and never had less than 81 yards. That includes Chicago, Carolina, Atlanta (twice). NE took him out of the game, but no one has stopped him when he's gotten the carries. I would think his involvement will only increase.

Improving during the game is a great thing, but if you're not effective Gruden will move away from Caddy.Granted he was injured for some of these games but examples are . . .

Det - 11 rushes 13 yards

SF - 13 rushes, 20 yards

Car - 11 rushes, 29 yards

Was - 10 rushes, 20 yards

NE - 14 rushes, 23 yards

You can find lines like that for most RBs in this league, including LT.

 

[modus]

I'd go with Jackson right now unless Tampa improves that line.  Cadillac gets all his yards at the end of the game, in the beginning he's usually not very effective.  Then there are the teams he just can't run on.

3 thoughts on this:1) Agree the line is weak. That should be the focus in next year's offseason.

2) Improving during the game is a bad thing?

3) What teams can't he run on? He had 15 carries or more in 9 games. In those games, he averaged 120 yards...and never had less than 81 yards. That includes Chicago, Carolina, Atlanta (twice). NE took him out of the game, but no one has stopped him when he's gotten the carries. I would think his involvement will only increase.

Improving during the game is a great thing, but if you're not effective Gruden will move away from Caddy.Granted he was injured for some of these games but examples are . . .

Det - 11 rushes 13 yards

SF - 13 rushes, 20 yards

Car - 11 rushes, 29 yards

Was - 10 rushes, 20 yards

NE - 14 rushes, 23 yards

You can find lines like that for most RBs in this league, including LT.

LT had five games of under 30 yards rushing?

 

[kal-el]

The other thing that may inevitably give Caddy a leg up is getting more involved in the passing game.

If/when Pittman leaves, that could mean even bigger things for the kid.

The pass-catching upside for Jackson could be even higher, though. He managed to catch 43 passes this year--even with Faulk around snagging another 44.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I'd go with Jackson right now unless Tampa improves that line.  Cadillac gets all his yards at the end of the game, in the beginning he's usually not very effective.  Then there are the teams he just can't run on.

3 thoughts on this:1) Agree the line is weak. That should be the focus in next year's offseason.

2) Improving during the game is a bad thing?

3) What teams can't he run on? He had 15 carries or more in 9 games. In those games, he averaged 120 yards...and never had less than 81 yards. That includes Chicago, Carolina, Atlanta (twice). NE took him out of the game, but no one has stopped him when he's gotten the carries. I would think his involvement will only increase.

Improving during the game is a great thing, but if you're not effective Gruden will move away from Caddy.Granted he was injured for some of these games but examples are . . .

Det - 11 rushes 13 yards

SF - 13 rushes, 20 yards

Car - 11 rushes, 29 yards

Was - 10 rushes, 20 yards

NE - 14 rushes, 23 yards

You can find lines like that for most RBs in this league, including LT.

LT had five games of under 30 yards rushing?

I didn't say five games - but there are games when players get bottled up because they're the focus of the defense. That has happened to LT too - twice this year, in fact. And you fail to mention that most of these bad games for Caddy happened in the first half when he was limited by injury. Weeks 11-17 only saw one "bad" game.

 

[modus]

I'd go with Jackson right now unless Tampa improves that line.  Cadillac gets all his yards at the end of the game, in the beginning he's usually not very effective.  Then there are the teams he just can't run on.

3 thoughts on this:1) Agree the line is weak. That should be the focus in next year's offseason.

2) Improving during the game is a bad thing?

3) What teams can't he run on? He had 15 carries or more in 9 games. In those games, he averaged 120 yards...and never had less than 81 yards. That includes Chicago, Carolina, Atlanta (twice). NE took him out of the game, but no one has stopped him when he's gotten the carries. I would think his involvement will only increase.

Improving during the game is a great thing, but if you're not effective Gruden will move away from Caddy.Granted he was injured for some of these games but examples are . . .

Det - 11 rushes 13 yards

SF - 13 rushes, 20 yards

Car - 11 rushes, 29 yards

Was - 10 rushes, 20 yards

NE - 14 rushes, 23 yards

You can find lines like that for most RBs in this league, including LT.

LT had five games of under 30 yards rushing?

I didn't say five games - but there are games when players get bottled up because they're the focus of the defense. That has happened to LT too - twice this year, in fact. And you fail to mention that most of these bad games for Caddy happened in the first half when he was limited by injury. Weeks 11-17 only saw one "bad" game.

I didn't fail to mention his injuries at all. The same thing can be said for LT, he was injured for a number of his "bad' games.

 

[trader jake]

those of you debating, due to the st. louis coach, basically, have already decided sjax. whoever the next head coach is in st. louis - they will run the ball more than martz didi'll go caddy - he's a stud in the making and he is gruden's hand-picked guy

 

[gump]

I'd go with Jackson right now unless Tampa improves that line.  Cadillac gets all his yards at the end of the game, in the beginning he's usually not very effective.  Then there are the teams he just can't run on.

3 thoughts on this:1) Agree the line is weak. That should be the focus in next year's offseason.

2) Improving during the game is a bad thing?

3) What teams can't he run on? He had 15 carries or more in 9 games. In those games, he averaged 120 yards...and never had less than 81 yards. That includes Chicago, Carolina, Atlanta (twice). NE took him out of the game, but no one has stopped him when he's gotten the carries. I would think his involvement will only increase.

Improving during the game is a great thing, but if you're not effective Gruden will move away from Caddy.Granted he was injured for some of these games but examples are . . .

Det - 11 rushes 13 yards

SF - 13 rushes, 20 yards

Car - 11 rushes, 29 yards

Was - 10 rushes, 20 yards

NE - 14 rushes, 23 yards

He was injured for ALL of those games except NE. Gruden will NOT move away from Caddy, unless it is an extreme situation like being down 28-0. Gruden is in fact the reverse...stubborn to the point that it sometimes gets frustrating to watch in his INSISTENCE that he feeds Carnell the ball.Like The Law says...Carnell is Gruden's golden child. Not sure the same can be said for DJax and whatever coach he gets.

 

[ooofffaaa]

Give me Ronnie Brown over both of them all day long !!!

 

[zamboni]

I thought it was already determined that this was Alstott's last year???

I remember hearing rumblings to this effect in the offseason, but I don't recall anything definitive. The Bucs homers probably have a good take on it.

 

[perry147]

Give me Ronnie Brown over both of them all day long !!!

 

[gump]

I thought it was already determined that this was Alstott's last year???

I remember hearing rumblings to this effect in the offseason, but I don't recall anything definitive. The Bucs homers probably have a good take on it.

Nothing official. It has been assumed since the beginning of the year, because he is not under contract next year and has been injured in the last few years. But in light of his recent production, no one is assuming anymore.The Bucs do however have a capable FB in Jameel Cook for next year.

 

[FBGPoker]

Give me Ronnie Brown over both of them all day long !!!

Curious why you think that's funny? Is it that off the wall to think Ronnie Brown will outproduce Caddy and Jackson?

 

[ooofffaaa]

Give me Ronnie Brown over both of them all day long !!!

You can "" all you want.Caddy just won ROY not because he's better than Brown. He just played MORE than Brown.

RB is a better blocker.

RB is a better receiver.

Caddy had 120 more total yards on 70 more carries.

Caddy did not have Ricky Williams to contend with.

AGAIN - I'll take Ronnie Brown over both of them again and again and again.

 

[gump]

You can "" all you want.

Caddy just won ROY not because he's better than Brown. He just played MORE than Brown.

RB is a better blocker.

RB is a better receiver.

Caddy had 120 more total yards on 70 more carries.

Caddy did not have Ricky Williams to contend with.

AGAIN - I'll take Ronnie Brown over both of them again and again and again.

Ronnie was "better" at that in college also. We all know who produced what there.Sometimes people focus so much on the ancillary skills that make a well-rounded back that they forget about the most important skill a RB should have...helping a team win by successfully running the football.

 

[perry147]

You can "" all you want.

Caddy just won ROY not because he's better than Brown. He just played MORE than Brown.

RB is a better blocker.

RB is a better receiver.

Caddy had 120 more total yards on 70 more carries.

Caddy did not have Ricky Williams to contend with.

AGAIN - I'll take Ronnie Brown over both of them again and again and again.

Ronnie was "better" at that in college also. We all know who produced what there.Sometimes people focus so much on the ancillary skills that make a well-rounded back that they forget about the most important skill a RB should have...helping a team win by successfully running the football.

Gruden will use Caddy more and is a better reciever (PPR) and Ronnie Brown will still be sharing carries with Ricky next year. If you want to debate which player is better then I can see your point, if you want to talk about FF production then Caddy is it.

 

[FBGPoker]

You can "" all you want.

Caddy just won ROY not because he's better than Brown. He just played MORE than Brown.

RB is a better blocker.

RB is a better receiver.

Caddy had 120 more total yards on 70 more carries.

Caddy did not have Ricky Williams to contend with.

AGAIN - I'll take Ronnie Brown over both of them again and again and again.

Ronnie was "better" at that in college also. We all know who produced what there.Sometimes people focus so much on the ancillary skills that make a well-rounded back that they forget about the most important skill a RB should have...helping a team win by successfully running the football.

Gruden will use Caddy more and is a better reciever (PPR).If you want to debate which player is better then I can see your point, if you want to talk about FF production then Caddy is it.

Ronnie Brown is a better reciever than Caddy and was the top rated recieving back of the 2005 class.BTW, I prefer Caddy to Ronnie, but could easily see Ronnie being the better back statistically when it's all said and done.