Steven Jackson vs. DeAngelo vs. Ryan Mathews vs. Jamaal Charles (1 Viewer)

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DWILL IS IN A CONTRACT YEAR.FINISHED 13TH LAST YEAR AND WAS HURT.STEWART CAN BE SAVED FOR NEXT YEAR.THE CAROLINA OFFENSE KNOWS HOW TO RUN THE BALL.

Since you put it in all caps, you must be right.

 

[ace_spaid]

you guys are crazy.....Remember the guy that was pumped up last year just lik Charles is this year? and people argued all the same things....what was his name? O ya thats right Chris Johnson. heard the same shat last year when i drafted CJ2K early....this year im all in on Charles

Im sorry, did Chris Johnson have to split carries with a back better than he is, who is also starting over him? CJ2K will be hard pressed to put up similar numbers again this year now that defenses have had time to prepare for it plus the sheer volume of work he had last year in addition to what he expects himself to do this year.Forgot to mention how the chiefs are half as good as the titans (being generous on this one).

funny....obviously you dont remember this last year. Lendale white will steal carries.......hes to small to carry the load......wont get goalline work.....and on and on. NOT to menion...YES THE TITANS SUCKED LAST YEAR! the team doesnt have to be good to have a good fantasy guy. Petersons best numbers were when the rest of the offense sucked ###! Wow Thomas freaking jones is better than Charles huh? thats a good one...we will see. Jones was on a team that ran it non stock and had a Wall infront of him. he wont do that in KC. Charles ran on the ####ty KC team and broke records for yards in the final 8 games last year....and outscored CJ!

 

[Brady Gaga]

you guys are crazy.....Remember the guy that was pumped up last year just lik Charles is this year? and people argued all the same things....what was his name? O ya thats right Chris Johnson. heard the same shat last year when i drafted CJ2K early....this year im all in on Charles

Im sorry, did Chris Johnson have to split carries with a back better than he is, who is also starting over him? CJ2K will be hard pressed to put up similar numbers again this year now that defenses have had time to prepare for it plus the sheer volume of work he had last year in addition to what he expects himself to do this year.Forgot to mention how the chiefs are half as good as the titans (being generous on this one).

funny....obviously you dont remember this last year. Lendale white will steal carries.......hes to small to carry the load......wont get goalline work.....and on and on. NOT to menion...YES THE TITANS SUCKED LAST YEAR! the team doesnt have to be good to have a good fantasy guy. Petersons best numbers were when the rest of the offense sucked ###! Wow Thomas freaking jones is better than Charles huh? thats a good one...we will see. Jones was on a team that ran it non stock and had a Wall infront of him. he wont do that in KC. Charles ran on the ####ty KC team and broke records for yards in the final 8 games last year....and outscored CJ!

I guess it comes down to risk and reward. Charles seems to be the biggest gamble of the 4 but his CJ2k-like skills make him the one guy who could put you over the top. SJax and DWill are safer picks. Mathews is kind of in between.

 

[JamesTheScot]

How are you ranking these guys? I think I've got 'em ranked like this...1. Mathews - like his upside and the offense but was the Chargers' 31st ranked rushing attack all LT's fault?2. DWill - love his talent and the Panthers run game but Jonathan Stewart can't be ignored.3. SJax - the Rams could finally play with some hope for the future under Bradford and that could boost Jackson. The back should be better after surgery.4. Charles - maybe the highest ceiling of this group but also the lowes floor.....but I keep waffling.Anyone with a strong opinion that would put one of these guys way ahead of the rest of the pack?TIA

Based on what you said about Steven Jackson he should clearly be ahead of all of those guys. I think it's Jackson, Williams, Mathews, Charles.Jackson is the only 3-down back on the list.

Every one of those guys is a three down back though I think Charles may be less so than the others. Jackson just lacks competition for his touches. You may have been trying to say that, but I'm not sure.I probably have them in the same order as the OP but have different opinions on why.I'm scared of Jackson, plain and simple. Love his talent, and I think his situation improves this season. But his back problem is likely to be chronic and degenerative. While he isn't old, he's not a spring chicken either. Back problems get worse with age. I think he presents an injury risk the others lack.Charles does not have a higher ceiling than any of the other backs. He's got competition for carries too. If he gets the lion's chare, he'll likely be very good. But the same goes for Matthews and Williams.I rate Matthews the highest because his competition for carries isn't as troubling as Williams's, he's a more prototypical workhorse than Charles and he's younger and healthier than Jackson.Charles I rank last because I'm not convinced he has the physicality to be a 3-down, 20 carry workhorse like the others and he's a motivational ploy away from sittin' on the bench. Call me crazy but I think a McCluster/Jones tandem could be an option for someone who doesn't think Charles is properly motivated.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Is Matt Moore really that much worse than Delhomme? Delhomme was awful last year. FWIW, Steve Smith has been very complimentary of Moore.

Exactly.As ho-hum as Moore has looked so far, I think people need to go back an watch some film on Delhomme last year. All Moore has to do to help Williams this year is to not throw picks like Delhomme did last year. Anything more is just gravy.

 

[JamesTheScot]

saying tj is better than jc is pretty c level trolling. tho it will proly work well otb given what phil accomplished.

Your right, I should have stressed that personally I think that Thomas Jones deserves to be their starter this year and I understand the other side of the argument. But to me comparing him to CJ2K is completely ######ed. Its not even close.

To be more on topic, if I had to pick one of these 4 backs to do best I would pick DeAngelo, then Sjax, Charles and Mathews are pretty much on the same level for me, much lower down the list of potential backs.

Really, i thought it was a pretty good analogy. Charles averaged 6 TPc last year, TJones averaged 4 YPC behind the best OLine in the league. This preseason has been more of the same, Charles over 6 YPC, TJones under 4. I think people assume TJones is better than he is due to where he played last year and how many carries he got.

What is it about Charles that people dont like? The only complaints i hear are similar to the ones i heard about CJ last year. Charles is going to win alot of people championships this year with how late he is sliding in drafts.

How rare a talent do you think CJ is? Westbrook was pretty rare to. People are just playing the odds.

 

[JamesTheScot]

I'd rather see SJax have good games on someone else's team than me worry about when (not if) he's going to be injured.

At some point in a draft you have to be willing to take him though. Are you saying you'd rather have the other 3 guys on the OP's list? Don't forget this is the NFL, every running back is an injury risk on every carry. These guys are big and fast and hit very hard. The injury risk is negligible from one guy to the next. Deangelo got injured last year and I'm pretty sure Mathews has never played more than 13 games in a year so there's no way of knowing how he'll handle the NFL season.

I think the unspoken point is that you go WR instead of taking any of these guys in the first. Then, when your pick rolls around again, the choice has already been made for you...or at least narrowed significantly.

 

[shortbow]

you guys are crazy.....Remember the guy that was pumped up last year just lik Charles is this year? and people argued all the same things....what was his name? O ya thats right Chris Johnson. heard the same shat last year when i drafted CJ2K early....this year im all in on Charles

Im sorry, did Chris Johnson have to split carries with a back better than he is, who is also starting over him? CJ2K will be hard pressed to put up similar numbers again this year now that defenses have had time to prepare for it plus the sheer volume of work he had last year in addition to what he expects himself to do this year.Forgot to mention how the chiefs are half as good as the titans (being generous on this one).

funny....obviously you dont remember this last year. Lendale white will steal carries.......hes to small to carry the load......wont get goalline work.....and on and on. NOT to menion...YES THE TITANS SUCKED LAST YEAR! the team doesnt have to be good to have a good fantasy guy. Petersons best numbers were when the rest of the offense sucked ###! Wow Thomas freaking jones is better than Charles huh? thats a good one...we will see. Jones was on a team that ran it non stock and had a Wall infront of him. he wont do that in KC. Charles ran on the ####ty KC team and broke records for yards in the final 8 games last year....and outscored CJ!

There was never a split (in any sense of the word) of carries last year on the Titans the closest it ever came was 80-20, I just dunno what everyone is trying to get at, Thomas Jones has two career seasons in a row, then Jamaal Charles plays well in the 5 of the last 8 games last year 4 of which who were against garbage teams, what makes him any different than Jerome Harrison? Suddenly hes the next Chris Johnson, who will probably never top his season he had last year.

 

[two_dollars]

you guys are crazy.....Remember the guy that was pumped up last year just lik Charles is this year? and people argued all the same things....what was his name? O ya thats right Chris Johnson. heard the same shat last year when i drafted CJ2K early....this year im all in on Charles

Im sorry, did Chris Johnson have to split carries with a back better than he is, who is also starting over him? CJ2K will be hard pressed to put up similar numbers again this year now that defenses have had time to prepare for it plus the sheer volume of work he had last year in addition to what he expects himself to do this year.Forgot to mention how the chiefs are half as good as the titans (being generous on this one).

funny....obviously you dont remember this last year. Lendale white will steal carries.......hes to small to carry the load......wont get goalline work.....and on and on. NOT to menion...YES THE TITANS SUCKED LAST YEAR! the team doesnt have to be good to have a good fantasy guy. Petersons best numbers were when the rest of the offense sucked ###! Wow Thomas freaking jones is better than Charles huh? thats a good one...we will see. Jones was on a team that ran it non stock and had a Wall infront of him. he wont do that in KC. Charles ran on the ####ty KC team and broke records for yards in the final 8 games last year....and outscored CJ!

There was never a split (in any sense of the word) of carries last year on the Titans the closest it ever came was 80-20, I just dunno what everyone is trying to get at, Thomas Jones has two career seasons in a row, then Jamaal Charles plays well in the 5 of the last 8 games last year 4 of which who were against garbage teams, what makes him any different than Jerome Harrison? Suddenly hes the next Chris Johnson, who will probably never top his season he had last year.

Preseason YPC. Enough said.

 

[Brady Gaga]

you guys are crazy.....Remember the guy that was pumped up last year just lik Charles is this year? and people argued all the same things....what was his name? O ya thats right Chris Johnson. heard the same shat last year when i drafted CJ2K early....this year im all in on Charles

Im sorry, did Chris Johnson have to split carries with a back better than he is, who is also starting over him? CJ2K will be hard pressed to put up similar numbers again this year now that defenses have had time to prepare for it plus the sheer volume of work he had last year in addition to what he expects himself to do this year.Forgot to mention how the chiefs are half as good as the titans (being generous on this one).

funny....obviously you dont remember this last year. Lendale white will steal carries.......hes to small to carry the load......wont get goalline work.....and on and on. NOT to menion...YES THE TITANS SUCKED LAST YEAR! the team doesnt have to be good to have a good fantasy guy. Petersons best numbers were when the rest of the offense sucked ###! Wow Thomas freaking jones is better than Charles huh? thats a good one...we will see. Jones was on a team that ran it non stock and had a Wall infront of him. he wont do that in KC. Charles ran on the ####ty KC team and broke records for yards in the final 8 games last year....and outscored CJ!

There was never a split (in any sense of the word) of carries last year on the Titans the closest it ever came was 80-20, I just dunno what everyone is trying to get at, Thomas Jones has two career seasons in a row, then Jamaal Charles plays well in the 5 of the last 8 games last year 4 of which who were against garbage teams, what makes him any different than Jerome Harrison? Suddenly hes the next Chris Johnson, who will probably never top his season he had last year.

Preseason YPC. Enough said.

Two_Dollars, can you expand on that a little? Are you saying that Charles' YPC in preseason shows just how much more explosive he is than Thomas Jones? I think that would indeed be a great point. I don't think that Thomas Jones will go away though and JC would have a full load like Chris Johnson last year. Instead I think a better comparison might be Ray Rice 2009 with TJones being the "McGahee" (goal line vulture) to Charles.

 

[wudaben]

Sjax - Always steady as long as he stays healthy, if Bradford is any good SJax could have a great year.

DWill - Team never has had a good QB. Stewart is just now beginning to practice and has a reoccurring injury that will never go away. DWill get's an early head of steam and doesn't look back.

Matthews - Will still share 1/3 of the action with Sproles and don't let Norv fool you into thinking the are going to run the ball that much more. OLine still sucks as well.

Charles - Too many times over the last 5 years someone has discounted Thomas Jones at the draft and it's come back to haunt them. Jones had a nice season last year and I'm not going to be the one to put my whole season on the line for a spin at the roulette wheel! If KC doesn't sign Jones I would have drafted Charles everywhere this year. Even splitting I could possibly see him jump Matthews in this list.

Now having made that list... an injury to any of the main backups would change this list entirely. If we assume each backup were to get injured for the season then I'd have to say DWill, Sjax, Charles (could be #2 here), Matthews. Fact is Jonathon Stewart has the greatest chance of getting injured and if he does DWill could be the best back in fantasy!

 

[ace_spaid]

you guys are crazy.....Remember the guy that was pumped up last year just lik Charles is this year? and people argued all the same things....what was his name? O ya thats right Chris Johnson. heard the same shat last year when i drafted CJ2K early....this year im all in on Charles

Im sorry, did Chris Johnson have to split carries with a back better than he is, who is also starting over him? CJ2K will be hard pressed to put up similar numbers again this year now that defenses have had time to prepare for it plus the sheer volume of work he had last year in addition to what he expects himself to do this year.Forgot to mention how the chiefs are half as good as the titans (being generous on this one).

funny....obviously you dont remember this last year. Lendale white will steal carries.......hes to small to carry the load......wont get goalline work.....and on and on. NOT to menion...YES THE TITANS SUCKED LAST YEAR! the team doesnt have to be good to have a good fantasy guy. Petersons best numbers were when the rest of the offense sucked ###! Wow Thomas freaking jones is better than Charles huh? thats a good one...we will see. Jones was on a team that ran it non stock and had a Wall infront of him. he wont do that in KC. Charles ran on the ####ty KC team and broke records for yards in the final 8 games last year....and outscored CJ!

There was never a split (in any sense of the word) of carries last year on the Titans the closest it ever came was 80-20, I just dunno what everyone is trying to get at, Thomas Jones has two career seasons in a row, then Jamaal Charles plays well in the 5 of the last 8 games last year 4 of which who were against garbage teams, what makes him any different than Jerome Harrison? Suddenly hes the next Chris Johnson, who will probably never top his season he had last year.

Your right there was no split.....but in the preseason that was the speculation that there would be a split. Talent always wins out....

 

[shnikies]

How are you ranking these guys? I think I've got 'em ranked like this...

1. Mathews - like his upside and the offense but was the Chargers' 31st ranked rushing attack all LT's fault?

2. DWill - love his talent and the Panthers run game but Jonathan Stewart can't be ignored.

3. SJax - the Rams could finally play with some hope for the future under Bradford and that could boost Jackson. The back should be better after surgery.

4. Charles - maybe the highest ceiling of this group but also the lowes floor.

....but I keep waffling.

Anyone with a strong opinion that would put one of these guys way ahead of the rest of the pack?

TIA

Based on what you said about Steven Jackson he should clearly be ahead of all of those guys. I think it's Jackson, Williams, Mathews, Charles.Jackson is the only 3-down back on the list.

Every one of those guys is a three down back though I think Charles may be less so than the others. Jackson just lacks competition for his touches. You may have been trying to say that, but I'm not sure.

I probably have them in the same order as the OP but have different opinions on why.

I'm scared of Jackson, plain and simple. Love his talent, and I think his situation improves this season. But his back problem is likely to be chronic and degenerative. While he isn't old, he's not a spring chicken either. Back problems get worse with age. I think he presents an injury risk the others lack.

Charles does not have a higher ceiling than any of the other backs. He's got competition for carries too. If he gets the lion's chare, he'll likely be very good. But the same goes for Matthews and Williams.

I rate Matthews the highest because his competition for carries isn't as troubling as Williams's, he's a more prototypical workhorse than Charles and he's younger and healthier than Jackson.

Charles I rank last because I'm not convinced he has the physicality to be a 3-down, 20 carry workhorse like the others and he's a motivational ploy away from sittin' on the bench. Call me crazy but I think a McCluster/Jones tandem could be an option for someone who doesn't think Charles is properly motivated.

I meant Steven Jackson is the only player on the list in a true 3-down situation. Mathews will lose 3rd downs to Sproles, at least 3rd and longs. Deangelo will lose 35-40% of all downs. Charles will lose a fair amount of different downs to Thomas Jones and maybe even goal line. Steven Jackson is the only guy on that list that won't come off the field unless it's for a breather.

 

[Brady Gaga]

How are you ranking these guys? I think I've got 'em ranked like this...

1. Mathews - like his upside and the offense but was the Chargers' 31st ranked rushing attack all LT's fault?

2. DWill - love his talent and the Panthers run game but Jonathan Stewart can't be ignored.

3. SJax - the Rams could finally play with some hope for the future under Bradford and that could boost Jackson. The back should be better after surgery.

4. Charles - maybe the highest ceiling of this group but also the lowes floor.

....but I keep waffling.

Anyone with a strong opinion that would put one of these guys way ahead of the rest of the pack?

TIA

Based on what you said about Steven Jackson he should clearly be ahead of all of those guys. I think it's Jackson, Williams, Mathews, Charles.Jackson is the only 3-down back on the list.

Every one of those guys is a three down back though I think Charles may be less so than the others. Jackson just lacks competition for his touches. You may have been trying to say that, but I'm not sure.

I probably have them in the same order as the OP but have different opinions on why.

I'm scared of Jackson, plain and simple. Love his talent, and I think his situation improves this season. But his back problem is likely to be chronic and degenerative. While he isn't old, he's not a spring chicken either. Back problems get worse with age. I think he presents an injury risk the others lack.

Charles does not have a higher ceiling than any of the other backs. He's got competition for carries too. If he gets the lion's chare, he'll likely be very good. But the same goes for Matthews and Williams.

I rate Matthews the highest because his competition for carries isn't as troubling as Williams's, he's a more prototypical workhorse than Charles and he's younger and healthier than Jackson.

Charles I rank last because I'm not convinced he has the physicality to be a 3-down, 20 carry workhorse like the others and he's a motivational ploy away from sittin' on the bench. Call me crazy but I think a McCluster/Jones tandem could be an option for someone who doesn't think Charles is properly motivated.

I meant Steven Jackson is the only player on the list in a true 3-down situation. Mathews will lose 3rd downs to Sproles, at least 3rd and longs. Deangelo will lose 35-40% of all downs. Charles will lose a fair amount of different downs to Thomas Jones and maybe even goal line. Steven Jackson is the only guy on that list that won't come off the field unless it's for a breather.

No doubt that SJax sees the most touches out of this group. But who do you think has the most upside to finish highest in the rankings at year end - especially for leagues that bonus long distance TDs.

 

[shnikies]

How are you ranking these guys? I think I've got 'em ranked like this...

1. Mathews - like his upside and the offense but was the Chargers' 31st ranked rushing attack all LT's fault?

2. DWill - love his talent and the Panthers run game but Jonathan Stewart can't be ignored.

3. SJax - the Rams could finally play with some hope for the future under Bradford and that could boost Jackson. The back should be better after surgery.

4. Charles - maybe the highest ceiling of this group but also the lowes floor.

....but I keep waffling.

Anyone with a strong opinion that would put one of these guys way ahead of the rest of the pack?

TIA

Based on what you said about Steven Jackson he should clearly be ahead of all of those guys. I think it's Jackson, Williams, Mathews, Charles.Jackson is the only 3-down back on the list.

Every one of those guys is a three down back though I think Charles may be less so than the others. Jackson just lacks competition for his touches. You may have been trying to say that, but I'm not sure.

I probably have them in the same order as the OP but have different opinions on why.

I'm scared of Jackson, plain and simple. Love his talent, and I think his situation improves this season. But his back problem is likely to be chronic and degenerative. While he isn't old, he's not a spring chicken either. Back problems get worse with age. I think he presents an injury risk the others lack.

Charles does not have a higher ceiling than any of the other backs. He's got competition for carries too. If he gets the lion's chare, he'll likely be very good. But the same goes for Matthews and Williams.

I rate Matthews the highest because his competition for carries isn't as troubling as Williams's, he's a more prototypical workhorse than Charles and he's younger and healthier than Jackson.

Charles I rank last because I'm not convinced he has the physicality to be a 3-down, 20 carry workhorse like the others and he's a motivational ploy away from sittin' on the bench. Call me crazy but I think a McCluster/Jones tandem could be an option for someone who doesn't think Charles is properly motivated.

I meant Steven Jackson is the only player on the list in a true 3-down situation. Mathews will lose 3rd downs to Sproles, at least 3rd and longs. Deangelo will lose 35-40% of all downs. Charles will lose a fair amount of different downs to Thomas Jones and maybe even goal line. Steven Jackson is the only guy on that list that won't come off the field unless it's for a breather.

No doubt that SJax sees the most touches out of this group. But who do you think has the most upside to finish highest in the rankings at year end - especially for leagues that bonus long distance TDs.

Long distance TD bonus might put Charles ahead of Mathews but I'm still taking Jackson and Williams before him.

 

[NYRAGE]

I was hoping that he would get some third down work, although I knew Sproles would somehow be in the mix.

Chargers | Ryan Mathews won't see third-down work Wed Sep 8, 04:53 PM

San Diego Chargers rookie RB Ryan Mathews will not see playing time on third-downs, according to head coach Norv Turner. Turner said Mathews is outstanding in pass protection, but said the team will keep RB Darren Sproles in that role during the upcoming season. Turner said he has been excited about Mathews thus far, noting he has great speed, can get outside to the edge and is a very physical, downhill running back.

 

[Clifford]

How are you ranking these guys? I think I've got 'em ranked like this...1. Mathews - like his upside and the offense but was the Chargers' 31st ranked rushing attack all LT's fault?2. DWill - love his talent and the Panthers run game but Jonathan Stewart can't be ignored.3. SJax - the Rams could finally play with some hope for the future under Bradford and that could boost Jackson. The back should be better after surgery.4. Charles - maybe the highest ceiling of this group but also the lowes floor.....but I keep waffling.Anyone with a strong opinion that would put one of these guys way ahead of the rest of the pack?TIA

Based on what you said about Steven Jackson he should clearly be ahead of all of those guys. I think it's Jackson, Williams, Mathews, Charles.Jackson is the only 3-down back on the list.

And do you think his back could really be better now than what he had to play thru the last 2 years. I do think the team will rally around Bradford.

If his back hasn't gotten better (which it probably has) and he repeats the yardage he had last year plus gets double digit touchdowns would it be that bad of a floor?

A repeat of last year's yardage is all I am hoping for. Any extra TDs on top of that will be gravy.

 

[nyy45]

Thomas Jones is good for Jamaal Charles because he will keep him fresh for a full 16 games and Charles really only needs 15 touches per game to be effective. Someone earlier mentioned Thomas Jones looking like Larry Johnson behind that offensive line and I couldn't agree more. I traded for Charles last year 2 weeks before he took over the starting job and I'd suggest grabbing him before it happens again.

PS- Jamaal was the first player in NFL history to have over 1,000 rushing yards in under 200 attempts. He can catch the ball too. He's good, very good.

 

[nyy45]

Thomas Jones is good for Jamaal Charles because he will keep him fresh for a full 16 games and Charles really only needs 15 touches per game to be effective. Someone earlier mentioned Thomas Jones looking like Larry Johnson behind that offensive line and I couldn't agree more. I traded for Charles last year 2 weeks before he took over the starting job and I'd suggest grabbing him before it happens again.PS- Jamaal was the first player in NFL history to have over 1,000 rushing yards in under 200 attempts. He can catch the ball too. He's good, very good.

One other note: I decided to keep Fitz over Jamaal this year and although it was a tough decision I somehow got the first pick (lottery) and took DeAngelo over Charles (2 best RB's available IMO). I laughed when Matthews was taken before Charles a few picks later. Give me a break.

 

[Clifton]

Thomas Jones is good for Jamaal Charles because he will keep him fresh for a full 16 games and Charles really only needs 15 touches per game to be effective. Someone earlier mentioned Thomas Jones looking like Larry Johnson behind that offensive line and I couldn't agree more. I traded for Charles last year 2 weeks before he took over the starting job and I'd suggest grabbing him before it happens again.PS- Jamaal was the first player in NFL history to have over 1,000 rushing yards in under 200 attempts. He can catch the ball too. He's good, very good.

One other note: I decided to keep Fitz over Jamaal this year and although it was a tough decision I somehow got the first pick (lottery) and took DeAngelo over Charles (2 best RB's available IMO). I laughed when Matthews was taken before Charles a few picks later. Give me a break.

Charles > Matthews

 

[nyy45]

Thomas Jones is good for Jamaal Charles because he will keep him fresh for a full 16 games and Charles really only needs 15 touches per game to be effective. Someone earlier mentioned Thomas Jones looking like Larry Johnson behind that offensive line and I couldn't agree more. I traded for Charles last year 2 weeks before he took over the starting job and I'd suggest grabbing him before it happens again.

PS- Jamaal was the first player in NFL history to have over 1,000 rushing yards in under 200 attempts. He can catch the ball too. He's good, very good.

One other note: I decided to keep Fitz over Jamaal this year and although it was a tough decision I somehow got the first pick (lottery) and took DeAngelo over Charles (2 best RB's available IMO). I laughed when Matthews was taken before Charles a few picks later. Give me a break.

Charles > Matthews

I just always thought Jamaal was great even during the year and a half behind LJ. I knew he would kill it given the opportunity. He did. I think he will continue to kill it with an opportunity, which he will have (I wouldn't worry so much about Thomas Jones, I think the Chiefs know whats good for them), he will kill it again this year. Sure as hell passes the "eye test" here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRDJg6cW5lc He is balanced and has quick feet and his vision allows him to sliver through defenders with last second cuts where his body is going one way and his feet the other. So elusive getting through defenders and world class speed to take it to the house. Not too many players jump off the screen to me and Jamaal definitely does and has stood out to me for a while. I hope he keeps going. I think he will. Check out what he does to the Steelers at 5:20 on a kick return if you want to really see what I'm talking about. Eventhough this evidence is littered throughout the whole video.I don't know much about Matthews besides watching his college tapes and preseason but I am very interested to see him during the regular season.

 

[Ladsud]

Thomas Jones is good for Jamaal Charles because he will keep him fresh for a full 16 games and Charles really only needs 15 touches per game to be effective. Someone earlier mentioned Thomas Jones looking like Larry Johnson behind that offensive line and I couldn't agree more. I traded for Charles last year 2 weeks before he took over the starting job and I'd suggest grabbing him before it happens again.PS- Jamaal was the first player in NFL history to have over 1,000 rushing yards in under 200 attempts. He can catch the ball too. He's good, very good.

One other note: I decided to keep Fitz over Jamaal this year and although it was a tough decision I somehow got the first pick (lottery) and took DeAngelo over Charles (2 best RB's available IMO). I laughed when Matthews was taken before Charles a few picks later. Give me a break.

Charles > Matthews

Charles tore up the league the last half of 09, Matthews has never taken a hand off in a regualar season game.

 

[Clifton]

Thomas Jones is good for Jamaal Charles because he will keep him fresh for a full 16 games and Charles really only needs 15 touches per game to be effective. Someone earlier mentioned Thomas Jones looking like Larry Johnson behind that offensive line and I couldn't agree more. I traded for Charles last year 2 weeks before he took over the starting job and I'd suggest grabbing him before it happens again.

PS- Jamaal was the first player in NFL history to have over 1,000 rushing yards in under 200 attempts. He can catch the ball too. He's good, very good.

One other note: I decided to keep Fitz over Jamaal this year and although it was a tough decision I somehow got the first pick (lottery) and took DeAngelo over Charles (2 best RB's available IMO). I laughed when Matthews was taken before Charles a few picks later. Give me a break.

Charles > Matthews

I just always thought Jamaal was great even during the year and a half behind LJ. I knew he would kill it given the opportunity. He did. I think he will continue to kill it with an opportunity, which he will have (I wouldn't worry so much about Thomas Jones, I think the Chiefs know whats good for them), he will kill it again this year. Sure as hell passes the "eye test" here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRDJg6cW5lc He is balanced and has quick feet and his vision allows him to sliver through defenders with last second cuts where his body is going one way and his feet the other. So elusive getting through defenders and world class speed to take it to the house. Not too many players jump off the screen to me and Jamaal definitely does and has stood out to me for a while. I hope he keeps going. I think he will. Check out what he does to the Steelers at 5:20 on a kick return if you want to really see what I'm talking about. Eventhough this evidence is littered throughout the whole video.I don't know much about Matthews besides watching his college tapes and preseason but I am very interested to see him during the regular season.

I felt like I was watching Walter Peyton....I'm a buyer.

 

[Brides Maids]

Love the match-up this week for SD's run offense I'll go with Matthews

 

[nyy45]

Love the match-up this week for SD's run offense I'll go with Matthews

update my last post HELLO JAMAAL

 

[ace_spaid]

Like i said.....everyone will regret not getting this guy. By week 4 Jones is a complete non factor and Jamaal is the man.

 

[cubbie5150]

I thought Mathews would be in the running....guess not if the way he was used week 1 is gonna be the norm. Dude wasn't even on the field last SD possession. Why didn't Norv even try to run him at least once from the 5? Plenty of time...

 

[JamesTheScot]

How are you ranking these guys? I think I've got 'em ranked like this...

1. Mathews - like his upside and the offense but was the Chargers' 31st ranked rushing attack all LT's fault?

2. DWill - love his talent and the Panthers run game but Jonathan Stewart can't be ignored.

3. SJax - the Rams could finally play with some hope for the future under Bradford and that could boost Jackson. The back should be better after surgery.

4. Charles - maybe the highest ceiling of this group but also the lowes floor.

....but I keep waffling.

Anyone with a strong opinion that would put one of these guys way ahead of the rest of the pack?

TIA

Based on what you said about Steven Jackson he should clearly be ahead of all of those guys. I think it's Jackson, Williams, Mathews, Charles.Jackson is the only 3-down back on the list.

Every one of those guys is a three down back though I think Charles may be less so than the others. Jackson just lacks competition for his touches. You may have been trying to say that, but I'm not sure.

I probably have them in the same order as the OP but have different opinions on why.

I'm scared of Jackson, plain and simple. Love his talent, and I think his situation improves this season. But his back problem is likely to be chronic and degenerative. While he isn't old, he's not a spring chicken either. Back problems get worse with age. I think he presents an injury risk the others lack.

Charles does not have a higher ceiling than any of the other backs. He's got competition for carries too. If he gets the lion's chare, he'll likely be very good. But the same goes for Matthews and Williams.

I rate Matthews the highest because his competition for carries isn't as troubling as Williams's, he's a more prototypical workhorse than Charles and he's younger and healthier than Jackson.

Charles I rank last because I'm not convinced he has the physicality to be a 3-down, 20 carry workhorse like the others and he's a motivational ploy away from sittin' on the bench. Call me crazy but I think a McCluster/Jones tandem could be an option for someone who doesn't think Charles is properly motivated.

I meant Steven Jackson is the only player on the list in a true 3-down situation. Mathews will lose 3rd downs to Sproles, at least 3rd and longs. Deangelo will lose 35-40% of all downs. Charles will lose a fair amount of different downs to Thomas Jones and maybe even goal line. Steven Jackson is the only guy on that list that won't come off the field unless it's for a breather.

What Fox has done is sub Stewart in for Williams in series, not on 3rd down. Goodson saw some time this week but i think that's an abberation.I still think you are confusing the terms. 3 down back means a RB that carries the rock on 1st and 2nd but stays in to block or get receptions on 3rd. And all of these backs have that skill set.

Jackson is a bellcow while Williams splits carries. But that doesn't mean he isn't a 3 down back, it means he isn't a bellcow.