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perry147
Footballguy
Anything is possible but I do not see this happening.I think you are forgetting about Clinton Portis, Tiki, and a few other whom I think have a better shot.With Alexander out and LJ struggling, could Jackson overtake LT as the most coveted RB in fantasy?
CalBear
Footballguy
Barring injury to LT, no. Jackson has just 2 TDs in 6 games.With Alexander out and LJ struggling, could Jackson overtake LT as the most coveted RB in fantasy?
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
He's not good enough to do that.
Bob Loblaw
Footballguy
I hope he does. Then I hope LT regains the title. Then SJax takes it over again. Then LT's turn. I hope they push each other to freakishly high levels... I own both players.With Alexander out and LJ struggling, could Jackson overtake LT as the most coveted RB in fantasy?
Were you in the goldfish bowl?
Wingnut
Footballguy
No. St Louis throws the ball too much, IMO. Thru 6 weeks the Rams have 10 passing TDs to 2 rushing, and I dont think they will suddenly become good enough on defense to protect a lead by running the ball to chew the clock. Jackson could finish top 5-8 range, but I doubt he could take the RB1 spot.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
Not even top 3
LJ, LT, WESTBROOK All ahead of him IMO
Top 5 perhaps
LJ, LT, WESTBROOK All ahead of him IMO
Top 5 perhaps
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
Depends on the scoring system. In a TD-heavy league, no. In a yardage-heavy league, maybe. In a standard performance league, probably not.
Only a Jackson owner would pose such a question - keep dreaming my good man.With Alexander out and LJ struggling, could Jackson overtake LT as the most coveted RB in fantasy?
WampusCat43
Footballguy
I've got him in both leagues, so I've watched a lot of him this year. For whatever reason, despite having Orlando "biggest head in the world" Pace, they haven't been able to punch in the short yardage scores this year. SJax tiptoes around too much. It looked like he was getting over it last week, so he's definitely got a lot of potential for the remainder of the season.
Callas Disregard
Footballguy
LJ is outperforming Jackson in both PPR and non-PPR leagues, so the question's basic premise is flawed. LT is also outperforming Jackson. As are Tiki Barber, Kevin Jones, Westbrook, and Gore. They are all doing this in both PPR and non-PPR leagues. Jackson is a mid- to low-end RB1, depending on your scoring system.Sober up.With Alexander out and LJ struggling, could Jackson overtake LT as the most coveted RB in fantasy?
dawgtrails
Footballguy
It is a legitimate question, no need for the sarcasm.He is ahead of LT, Westbrook, Gore, K Jones in yds per game. Slightly behind LJ. Tiki is the only one who has the decisive advantage in yds/game...but alas, Tiki has zero TDs.If he doesn't score more TDs, then he won't catch up to LT...although if SD gets large leads, we may see Turner take some yards and TDs away from LT.Everyone tends to agree that LJ is having a tough time behind his line. I see no reason why Jax cant put up betyter numbers than him.K Jones, Gore, Westbrook...nothing overly exciting about them that makes me think they will outperform Jax over the year.So, is it likely that he will finish as the number 1, no.However, I would take him over Jones, Gore, Westbrook in a second. And a case could be made for him to be chosen over LJ and Tiki from here on out.LJ is outperforming Jackson in both PPR and non-PPR leagues, so the question's basic premise is flawed. LT is also outperforming Jackson. As are Tiki Barber, Kevin Jones, Westbrook, and Gore. They are all doing this in both PPR and non-PPR leagues. Jackson is a mid- to low-end RB1, depending on your scoring system.Sober up.With Alexander out and LJ struggling, could Jackson overtake LT as the most coveted RB in fantasy?
Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
No. It is within the realm of possibility, but it is NOT likely. Your argument about LT is weak... he's got a nose for the endzone and SJax is end-zone allergic.SJax runs too high and dances too much to score TD's consistently.It is a legitimate question, no need for the sarcasm.He is ahead of LT, Westbrook, Gore, K Jones in yds per game. Slightly behind LJ. Tiki is the only one who has the decisive advantage in yds/game...but alas, Tiki has zero TDs.LJ is outperforming Jackson in both PPR and non-PPR leagues, so the question's basic premise is flawed. LT is also outperforming Jackson. As are Tiki Barber, Kevin Jones, Westbrook, and Gore. They are all doing this in both PPR and non-PPR leagues. Jackson is a mid- to low-end RB1, depending on your scoring system.With Alexander out and LJ struggling, could Jackson overtake LT as the most coveted RB in fantasy?
Sober up.
If he doesn't score more TDs, then he won't catch up to LT...although if SD gets large leads, we may see Turner take some yards and TDs away from LT.
Everyone tends to agree that LJ is having a tough time behind his line. I see no reason why Jax cant put up betyter numbers than him.
K Jones, Gore, Westbrook...nothing overly exciting about them that makes me think they will outperform Jax over the year.
So, is it likely that he will finish as the number 1, no.
However, I would take him over Jones, Gore, Westbrook in a second. And a case could be made for him to be chosen over LJ and Tiki from here on out.
perry147
Footballguy
This is what I stated in my post.It is possible but not likely.No. It is within the realm of possibility, but it is NOT likely. Your argument about LT is weak... he's got a nose for the endzone and SJax is end-zone allergic.SJax runs too high and dances too much to score TD's consistently.It is a legitimate question, no need for the sarcasm.He is ahead of LT, Westbrook, Gore, K Jones in yds per game. Slightly behind LJ. Tiki is the only one who has the decisive advantage in yds/game...but alas, Tiki has zero TDs.LJ is outperforming Jackson in both PPR and non-PPR leagues, so the question's basic premise is flawed. LT is also outperforming Jackson. As are Tiki Barber, Kevin Jones, Westbrook, and Gore. They are all doing this in both PPR and non-PPR leagues. Jackson is a mid- to low-end RB1, depending on your scoring system.With Alexander out and LJ struggling, could Jackson overtake LT as the most coveted RB in fantasy?
Sober up.
If he doesn't score more TDs, then he won't catch up to LT...although if SD gets large leads, we may see Turner take some yards and TDs away from LT.
Everyone tends to agree that LJ is having a tough time behind his line. I see no reason why Jax cant put up betyter numbers than him.
K Jones, Gore, Westbrook...nothing overly exciting about them that makes me think they will outperform Jax over the year.
So, is it likely that he will finish as the number 1, no.
However, I would take him over Jones, Gore, Westbrook in a second. And a case could be made for him to be chosen over LJ and Tiki from here on out.
Michael Vick could also rush for more yards than SJax - Unlikely but within the relm of what is possible.
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TO could give half his salary to chartiy and send McNabb x-mas cards.
Randy Moss could run hard on every play.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
Why dont you read my post a little closer there my friend.I said it is not likely that he will finish number one. I dont know what you are disagreeing with me for.No. It is within the realm of possibility, but it is NOT likely. Your argument about LT is weak... he's got a nose for the endzone and SJax is end-zone allergic.SJax runs too high and dances too much to score TD's consistently.It is a legitimate question, no need for the sarcasm.He is ahead of LT, Westbrook, Gore, K Jones in yds per game. Slightly behind LJ. Tiki is the only one who has the decisive advantage in yds/game...but alas, Tiki has zero TDs.LJ is outperforming Jackson in both PPR and non-PPR leagues, so the question's basic premise is flawed. LT is also outperforming Jackson. As are Tiki Barber, Kevin Jones, Westbrook, and Gore. They are all doing this in both PPR and non-PPR leagues. Jackson is a mid- to low-end RB1, depending on your scoring system.With Alexander out and LJ struggling, could Jackson overtake LT as the most coveted RB in fantasy?
Sober up.
If he doesn't score more TDs, then he won't catch up to LT...although if SD gets large leads, we may see Turner take some yards and TDs away from LT.
Everyone tends to agree that LJ is having a tough time behind his line. I see no reason why Jax cant put up betyter numbers than him.
K Jones, Gore, Westbrook...nothing overly exciting about them that makes me think they will outperform Jax over the year.
So, is it likely that he will finish as the number 1, no.
However, I would take him over Jones, Gore, Westbrook in a second. And a case could be made for him to be chosen over LJ and Tiki from here on out.
And it is not because he "runs too high and dnces too much"...it is because St Louis throws the ball from the 3 yard line rather than give it to him. He is a good short yardage back.
Cowboys#1
Footballguy
if he could convert on his red zone tries he would be battling lt2 for #1
as it is rams pass a lot inside the 15 and when they run jackson doesnt seem to get in as much as he should.
he'll be a top 5-7 pick again next year imo (if the td's dont come through in the 2nd half.. if they do.. top 3)
as it is rams pass a lot inside the 15 and when they run jackson doesnt seem to get in as much as he should.
he'll be a top 5-7 pick again next year imo (if the td's dont come through in the 2nd half.. if they do.. top 3)
Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
Sorry, but your statement was ambiguous at best, no? See, when you finish a sentence with ",no" it makes people think you want them to agree with you, not that you are answering your own question in the negative.Why dont you read my post a little closer there my friend.I said it is not likely that he will finish number one. I dont know what you are disagreeing with me for.No. It is within the realm of possibility, but it is NOT likely. Your argument about LT is weak... he's got a nose for the endzone and SJax is end-zone allergic.SJax runs too high and dances too much to score TD's consistently.It is a legitimate question, no need for the sarcasm.He is ahead of LT, Westbrook, Gore, K Jones in yds per game. Slightly behind LJ. Tiki is the only one who has the decisive advantage in yds/game...but alas, Tiki has zero TDs.LJ is outperforming Jackson in both PPR and non-PPR leagues, so the question's basic premise is flawed. LT is also outperforming Jackson. As are Tiki Barber, Kevin Jones, Westbrook, and Gore. They are all doing this in both PPR and non-PPR leagues. Jackson is a mid- to low-end RB1, depending on your scoring system.With Alexander out and LJ struggling, could Jackson overtake LT as the most coveted RB in fantasy?
Sober up.
If he doesn't score more TDs, then he won't catch up to LT...although if SD gets large leads, we may see Turner take some yards and TDs away from LT.
Everyone tends to agree that LJ is having a tough time behind his line. I see no reason why Jax cant put up betyter numbers than him.
K Jones, Gore, Westbrook...nothing overly exciting about them that makes me think they will outperform Jax over the year.
So, is it likely that he will finish as the number 1, no.
However, I would take him over Jones, Gore, Westbrook in a second. And a case could be made for him to be chosen over LJ and Tiki from here on out.
And it is not because he "runs too high and dnces too much"...it is because St Louis throws the ball from the 3 yard line rather than give it to him. He is a good short yardage back.
Steven Jackson runs way too high and dances way too much before hitting the hole. That's why they throw the ball around the goal line.
I also think Westbrook, Portis, LJ and Perhaps Willie Parker will finish ahead of SJax because they actually score TD's.
You WouldSorry, but your statement was ambiguous at best, no? See, when you finish a sentence with ",no" it makes people think you want them to agree with you, not that you are answering your own question in the negative.Why dont you read my post a little closer there my friend.I said it is not likely that he will finish number one. I dont know what you are disagreeing with me for.No. It is within the realm of possibility, but it is NOT likely. Your argument about LT is weak... he's got a nose for the endzone and SJax is end-zone allergic.SJax runs too high and dances too much to score TD's consistently.It is a legitimate question, no need for the sarcasm.He is ahead of LT, Westbrook, Gore, K Jones in yds per game. Slightly behind LJ. Tiki is the only one who has the decisive advantage in yds/game...but alas, Tiki has zero TDs.LJ is outperforming Jackson in both PPR and non-PPR leagues, so the question's basic premise is flawed. LT is also outperforming Jackson. As are Tiki Barber, Kevin Jones, Westbrook, and Gore. They are all doing this in both PPR and non-PPR leagues. Jackson is a mid- to low-end RB1, depending on your scoring system.With Alexander out and LJ struggling, could Jackson overtake LT as the most coveted RB in fantasy?
Sober up.
If he doesn't score more TDs, then he won't catch up to LT...although if SD gets large leads, we may see Turner take some yards and TDs away from LT.
Everyone tends to agree that LJ is having a tough time behind his line. I see no reason why Jax cant put up betyter numbers than him.
K Jones, Gore, Westbrook...nothing overly exciting about them that makes me think they will outperform Jax over the year.
So, is it likely that he will finish as the number 1, no.
However, I would take him over Jones, Gore, Westbrook in a second. And a case could be made for him to be chosen over LJ and Tiki from here on out.
And it is not because he "runs too high and dnces too much"...it is because St Louis throws the ball from the 3 yard line rather than give it to him. He is a good short yardage back.
Steven Jackson runs way too high and dances way too much before hitting the hole. That's why they throw the ball around the goal line.
I also think Westbrook, Portis, LJ and Perhaps Willie Parker will finish ahead of SJax because they actually score TD's.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
I concurCallas Disregard said:
dawgtrails
Footballguy
You can't look at the numbers and say this trufully though. In my ppr leagues, which is pretty standard, the points per game look like this.LT-25LJ-22Tiki-19Westbrook-19Jax-18.5Jones-18Gore-18Parker-18So, it is incorrect to Tiki, Jones, Westbrook, Gore are all doing better then him...to my eye, they all look fairly equal to me. 1/2 pt a game is not much.If you are going to say that Jax is a mid to low end RB1, then I guess you play in a 6 team league, because by my untrained mathematical eye, he is the 5th best RB in ppg. Ahead of, or right at his ADP.Now, of those 7 runnung backs, I don't think any of them will overtake LT, because like was said by someone, LT scores too many TDs.But of that list, if I had to pick a guy who could challenge LJ for the number 2, or have the chance, no matter how unlikely, to creep up to the number 1 spot...I would choose Jackson.He consistently puts up 130 yards a game. He gets 4 or 5 catches a game. He has not scored nearly enough touchdowns. However, his TD output last year was one less than Tiki Barber, and he has 2 more than Barber this year. So, going forward, I dont know how you can like Barber's chances more so than Jackson...especially with Jacobs vulturing every carry in the 5 yard line.Barber, Gore, Jones, Parker, Westbrook, heck, even LJ have had up and down weeks all year. I'm not sure if that means anything, but I like the fact that Jackson will put up 100+ every week. I find it to be random that he only has 2 TDs so far this year. I expect him to have 10+ by the years end. I also expect him to be the yards from scrimmage leader by the end of the year.But, back to the point of #1 RB. It is LT and nobody else. But, and this is a but, if his TD's see a decline, either because of Turner grabbing a few here and there, or because of Philip Rivers throwing the ball in the redzone, then he won't be as far ahead of all the backs as expected.Mind you, I am a Jackson owner who tried to trade him for LT, LJ, or Tiki every week this year, to no avail. I would not trade him for any other back...including Parker, Gore, Westy, Rudi, Jones, etcI concurCallas Disregard said:
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Gopher State
Footballguy
I don't think Jackson will outscore his own teammate T. Holt (526 rec & 7 td's) let alone talk about catching LT.
Jackson's a good RB but by season end he be in the 6/7 range RB. It appears the RAM to have is Holt, as he is the guy having a career year
Jackson's a good RB but by season end he be in the 6/7 range RB. It appears the RAM to have is Holt, as he is the guy having a career year
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Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
i don't see it. in the league i have him in he is my third best back based on fantasy points.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Jackson is on pace for 421 touches this year. That would be the most since the Phins tried to kill Ricky a few years ago. His numbers thus far as been based more on opportunity than pure production (3.9 YPC 2 TDs). Can't see them giving him any more carries than this so I can't see how he'd leapfrog those ahead of him unless he suddenly became a TD machine.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Yes
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Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
He doesn't need to become a TD machine. He just needs to get more, which I fully expect, considering the offense. He's just been unlucky, so far, in that regard. I think his TD total will balance out in the end.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
He hasn't been unlucky. He's had opportunity.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
The fact that he has had opportunities is exactly why I say he's been unlucky. If he keeps getting opportunities he will start cashing in on some.Had he not been getting opportunities, then I wouldn't say he's unlucky. That would just be unfortunate to be in a bad system, or not talented enough, etc.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Well you could say that since he's had opportunity and hasn't cashed in, he may not be talented enough....atleast around the goalline.
Lauryn
Footballguy
lousy short-yardage runner, a staff that's impatient with his dancing when they get to the stripe so they rely on their passing game down there, the propensity to get dinged up (not this year so far though), and overall a guy whose ability is overrated in fantasy circles.
average back, shouldn't sniff #1 barring a rash of injuries to several other backs.
average back, shouldn't sniff #1 barring a rash of injuries to several other backs.
Lemmiwinks
Footballguy
Lauryn
Footballguy
your kudos mean so much to me, thanks.For once we agree on something. Nice to see a post from you other than
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
He's "sniffing" #1 now, and I'm sure I'm not the only one to think he's underperforming, all things considered. I really don't think he'll surpass LT2, but your statement is totally foolish.
Lauryn
Footballguy
figured someone would say this...let me rephrase... he's not a #1 CALIBRE back. he's only in the top few or so because of injuries. if you wanna annoint a so-so, overrated runner because of a flukey first 6-7 games where proven and BETTER players have either been injured or been hurt by other players being injured (LJ), then be my guest. point is, he's not a star, and we still have over half the season to go. off-years and injuries have him where he is. not his studliness.
p.s. 
at you saying he's been "unlucky"... although if by "unlucky", you mean "ineffective" when it comes to scoring, then i agree with you.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Sounds like comments from someone who was in the preseason "SJax is not worth the #7 pick" club. Now that he's proven you wrong you make excuses as to why he's ranked so high.figured someone would say this...let me rephrase... he's not a #1 CALIBRE back. he's only in the top few or so because of injuries. if you wanna annoint a so-so, overrated runner because of a flukey first 6-7 games where proven and BETTER players have either been injured or been hurt by other players being injured (LJ), then be my guest. point is, he's not a star, and we still have over half the season to go. off-years and injuries have him where he is. not his studliness.
Most leagues are PPR, so that is what I am going by. By that system he is #2. Granted he hasn't had his bye yet, so he will fall a few slots, but he is still up there.
Lauryn
Footballguy
and your comments sound like they come from someone who has jackson's poster on his ceiling. you're taking this a little too personally methinks. i've been saying since they drafted him that he's not a special back, even when everyone wanted to push faulk out of the way. he's shown me nothing so far to disprove that. as a bulger and wilkins owner, though, he's one of my favorite players around. his mediocrity helps me win.btw he's 18th at RB in my league's scoring system... right where a player of his "talent" belongs. hope that helps.Sounds like comments from someone who was in the preseason "SJax is not worth the #7 pick" club. Now that he's proven you wrong you make excuses as to why he's ranked so high.figured someone would say this...let me rephrase... he's not a #1 CALIBRE back. he's only in the top few or so because of injuries. if you wanna annoint a so-so, overrated runner because of a flukey first 6-7 games where proven and BETTER players have either been injured or been hurt by other players being injured (LJ), then be my guest. point is, he's not a star, and we still have over half the season to go. off-years and injuries have him where he is. not his studliness.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
and your comments sound like they come from someone who has jackson's poster on his ceiling. you're taking this a little too personally methinks. i've been saying since they drafted him that he's not a special back, even when everyone wanted to push faulk out of the way. he's shown me nothing so far to disprove that. as a bulger and wilkins owner, though, he's one of my favorite players around. his mediocrity helps me win.btw he's 18th at RB in my league's scoring system... right where a player of his "talent" belongs. hope that helps.Sounds like comments from someone who was in the preseason "SJax is not worth the #7 pick" club. Now that he's proven you wrong you make excuses as to why he's ranked so high.figured someone would say this...let me rephrase... he's not a #1 CALIBRE back. he's only in the top few or so because of injuries. if you wanna annoint a so-so, overrated runner because of a flukey first 6-7 games where proven and BETTER players have either been injured or been hurt by other players being injured (LJ), then be my guest. point is, he's not a star, and we still have over half the season to go. off-years and injuries have him where he is. not his studliness.
Callas Disregard
Footballguy
First of all, he's not #2. All you have to do is divde each player's points by number of games. Then you'll see him drop several slots. Second of all, most leagues are not PPR, though they are becoming more common each year.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Ok, so if you go by avg per game he is not #2, but avg is a bit misleading at times. As a Westbrook owner many times over I was screwed by a big fat 0 a couple weeks ago. How do you afctor that in? Bottom line, total points isn't totally accurate, and avg isn't totally accurate, but you gotta go by something.As for PPR, yes, PPR is more popular by quite a bit. Last I saw, it was used in 70% to 75% of all leagues...
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
What? You sound like you are in agreement with me that he is well deserving of his ranking, but you say he did something bad to me to make me view him the way I do...
Cowboys#1
Footballguy
its safe to say we can ignore anything "Lauryn Hill" their posts are horrible at best.
ive watched nearly every offensive down jackson has played in 3 years.. the fact of the matter is that the coaches dont fool around in the redzone, they will not give jackson 4 shots from the 1, they wont give him 3 shots from the 5, he gets 1 shot from inside the 5, 2 if they are feeling generous.
holt and bulgers success is DIRECTLY tied to Jackson's success as a runner, defenses have to respect his ability and bring help into the box, bulger can then pick his spots and bomb away.
I dont think he has a shot at being #1 but top 5-7 is very possible, to say hes regarded as a top back because of injuries and down years is the dumbest thing i have ever heard, if people didnt get hurt or have down years why would fantasy football matter, the most talented guy would always be #1 and the least talented guy would be #32..
get real
ive watched nearly every offensive down jackson has played in 3 years.. the fact of the matter is that the coaches dont fool around in the redzone, they will not give jackson 4 shots from the 1, they wont give him 3 shots from the 5, he gets 1 shot from inside the 5, 2 if they are feeling generous.
holt and bulgers success is DIRECTLY tied to Jackson's success as a runner, defenses have to respect his ability and bring help into the box, bulger can then pick his spots and bomb away.
I dont think he has a shot at being #1 but top 5-7 is very possible, to say hes regarded as a top back because of injuries and down years is the dumbest thing i have ever heard, if people didnt get hurt or have down years why would fantasy football matter, the most talented guy would always be #1 and the least talented guy would be #32..
get real
Callas Disregard
Footballguy
Count his zero and that game and his average is STILL higher than Jackson's. And if you draft Westy you should draft C-Buck too. Buck was productive in relief of Westy that night. I'll take Westy with the Buck handcuff over Jackson anytime.Edited to remove reference to specific point total for Buck since scoring systems differ.
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Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
No kidding... I have Westy in 4 of 6 leagues and SJax in 4 of 6 leagues. I know Westy wins more. He's the better FF player. LT2 is even better... I'm not saying SJax is the #1 RB. I'm just saying he could finish there. Who knows...
Lauryn
Footballguy
after your disparaging first sentence, you then agreed with me in your second paragraph. the coaches don't run him inside the 5. and why is that? maybe because... HE SUCKS AS A SHORT-YARDAGE/GOAL-LINE RUNNER???the coaches obviously know this, and don't fool around with watching jackson struggle to gain a yard with his straight up-and-down, dancing, no-power style when they're at the stripe. they'd rather put it in the hands of their competent QB and pro bowl receivers. jackson is fine for helping move the sticks, but when it comes to scoring or getting money yards, he's a joke. again, thanks for agreeing with me. i knew i was right.
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