Strategy when you're 0-6 or 1-5 (1 Viewer)

[shnikies]

I'm not sure if this is common knowledge to the experts that frequent these boards but I've noticed the players in my league don't understand this. When you're 0-6 or 1-5 and you have a stud on bye you should be trading him to the highest bidder. Every week is a must win and having dead value on your team makes no sense. Sure, you'll need a miracle to make the playoffs regardless but the idea of holding onto a stud for next week seems like a bad decision. What do you guys think?

 

[duh]

I'm not sure if this is common knowledge to the experts that frequent these boards but I've noticed the players in my league don't understand this. When you're 0-6 or 1-5 and you have a stud on bye you should be trading him to the highest bidder. Every week is a must win and having dead value on your team makes no sense. Sure, you'll need a miracle to make the playoffs regardless but the idea of holding onto a stud for next week seems like a bad decision. What do you guys think?

An interesting strategy. But I think my league mates would probably use the bye week as leverage against my deal.. Nonetheless, I think it's worth a shot. I'm looking at 2-4 record this week and i might consider this with AP on his week 9 bye .. He's my only stud RB (I swung for the fence on Ingram on the hi 3rd round... totally could have picked up Fred Jackson .. sigh.. FBG hype article did me in .. )

 

[rickyg]

0-5 or 1-6 best strategy is to sick your thumb in the fetal position and cry lol

 

[AmosMoses]

shnikies - which stud did you fail to get via trading with an 0-6 team?

 

[ldizzle]

I'm not sure if this is common knowledge to the experts that frequent these boards but I've noticed the players in my league don't understand this. When you're 0-6 or 1-5 and you have a stud on bye you should be trading him to the highest bidder. Every week is a must win and having dead value on your team makes no sense. Sure, you'll need a miracle to make the playoffs regardless but the idea of holding onto a stud for next week seems like a bad decision. What do you guys think?

I would hold the stud player because he will be more useful if you can get lucky 1 game and rely on him down the stretch. Although it all depends on who you can get as well and what your weaknesses are. I would put a high risk high upside player in his place and pray to the FF gods.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Im 2-4 in both my leagues..Im not looking to trade my studs, Im looking to trade my underachievers for other guys underachievers that I like a lot more.

 

[rocketsauce]

Agree that there comes a point where you either do this, or hang it up for the year.

I went into the week 1-4, traded away Rivers & Roddy this week, among others, and emerged 2-4 with my highest output since week 1.

 

[cvnpoka]

I'm not sure if this is common knowledge to the experts that frequent these boards but I've noticed the players in my league don't understand this. When you're 0-6 or 1-5 and you have a stud on bye you should be trading him to the highest bidder. Every week is a must win and having dead value on your team makes no sense. Sure, you'll need a miracle to make the playoffs regardless but the idea of holding onto a stud for next week seems like a bad decision. What do you guys think?

i think you can still win a single week without your stud.

 

[kinghill]

If you're 0-6 you have no studs.

 

[jonathanjoseph]

I have a 1-5 team in a 12 team, Start 2 QB league that had the following roster:

Flacco

Grossman

McNabb

Jamaal Charles

Willis McGahee

Tim Hightower

Ben Tate

Isaac Redman

Ernest Graham

Mike Wallace

Dez Bryant

Julio Jones

Denarius Moore

Aaron Hernandez

The roster isn't that bad, it's just been hit by so many injuries. So I just traded Wallace, Bryant and Flacco for Tom Brady, Owen Daniels and Brandon Marshall. If nothing else, I'll get Brady as a keeper in a long time, QB heavy keeper league.

 

[Crusaderfan]

0-5 or 1-6 best strategy is to sick your thumb in the fetal position and cry lol

I should have done this at the draft instead of taking Charles and Hillis with my first two picks.

 

[Insein]

They don't have to trade their studs if the deal isn't right but when your 0-6 or 1-5, your season is obn the brink. You need to make some drastic moves to stay alive. I've been there. Ive had firesales to get productive players (in redraft obviously). I've managed to come back from 1-5 only twice in my 10 years of playing but you have to try. I hate the guys that just give up without trying anything and everything to win.

 

[CentralPA]

I'm 2-4, I lose another game I am probably starting to trade what studs I don't keep (yeah I know, "How do you have any studs to keep, yuck yuck yuck") but i'll have a few I can jettison. Load up on picks for next years draft and hope I don't have near as much bad luck as I did this year.

 

[Area51Inhabitant]

If an 0-6 team still cares enough to make a weekly lineup, he's probably way ahead of the curve.

 

[TheFanatic]

shnikies - which stud did you fail to get via trading with an 0-6 team?

Yeah, screams sour grapes to me too. I would say that the underperforming team should be uber active on the WW and not act as a minor league club to teams doing well. But that's just me.

 

[nkowal]

If you're 0-6 you have no studs.

I realize it's a joke, but there's also some bad luck. 1-5 in my primary league and have the 3rd highest points. I happen to suffer 2 losses by 1 point in weaks where I scored the 2nd most points and happened to have the unfortunate scheduling of facing the #1 point scorer both weeks.Yes, I know, cool story bro, but its worth noting that there can still be some good guys on teams and those guys might desperately be looking to win.

 

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I wouldn't know. I've never been 1-5 or 0-6

 

[wudaben]

Luckily we made a move to do away with divisions this year so my 1-5 team is only 2 games out of 5th place. My only overachiever was Britt and the rest are all barely keeping their heads above water...

 

[shnikies]

shnikies - which stud did you fail to get via trading with an 0-6 team?

You got me. Still doesn't mean I'm not right!

 

[mdlane]

If you can get a player or two on a roll that's lower ranked, sure. But winning teams aren't offering FJax and Steve Smith for Mendy and Roddy. In general 0-6 teams are fielding offers of LT and Holmes for Miles Austin or something like that.

 

[shnikies]

Im 2-4 in both my leagues..Im not looking to trade my studs, Im looking to trade my underachievers for other guys underachievers that I like a lot more.

2-4 is a little different. It really depends on what record usually gets you into the playoffs. If 6 teams make the playoffs and 7-6 almost guarantees you a spot how can you keep a top 10 running back or receiver on bye on your bench if you need to win 7 straight? I don't think you use this strategy once, you did it every week until you are eliminated.

 

[shnikies]

shnikies - which stud did you fail to get via trading with an 0-6 team?

Yeah, screams sour grapes to me too. I would say that the underperforming team should be uber active on the WW and not act as a minor league club to teams doing well. But that's just me.

Every team has the opportunity to trade with this team. If the team looking to unload their stud on bye let's the league know they are looking to trade, no team has the right to be upset about any trade that is made. If they think the team didn't get enough then they should have offered more.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I agree with the premise that an 0-6 team should be looking to make big moves to shake up their roster. I'm not sure trading your "studs" when they're at their lowest value going into a bye week is the best way to go about it. You'll have a hard time finding someone willing to give up an active starting-caliber player for a stud that's on bye, and trading your studs for someone else's backups doesn't sound like a winning strategy.

Hit the waiver wire, see what other deals you can make, and try to cobble together a win for one week. Then reevaluate whether or not you can make net improvements to your team by trading your stud, when their value has risen having already passed their bye.

 

[AmosMoses]

shnikies - which stud did you fail to get via trading with an 0-6 team?

You got me. Still doesn't mean I'm not right!

Respect for coming forward with this. Most people would keep trying to play it off.

 

[shnikies]

I agree with the premise that an 0-6 team should be looking to make big moves to shake up their roster. I'm not sure trading your "studs" when they're at their lowest value going into a bye week is the best way to go about it. You'll have a hard time finding someone willing to give up an active starting-caliber player for a stud that's on bye, and trading your studs for someone else's backups doesn't sound like a winning strategy.Hit the waiver wire, see what other deals you can make, and try to cobble together a win for one week. Then reevaluate whether or not you can make net improvements to your team by trading your stud, when their value has risen having already passed their bye.

You can't lose another week in order to make the playoffs. If you let the whole league know that you will be trading player X you'll likely get near equal value. I'm not saying you have to trade your stud for someone not even close to equal value but if you try hard enough you'll probably do ok.

 

[Oh Yes!]

when in this situation, i actually sell low/buy high and hope they keep producing above their percieved value.

started 0-4 last year and traded for vick/hillis. worked out well.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

I agree with the premise that an 0-6 team should be looking to make big moves to shake up their roster. I'm not sure trading your "studs" when they're at their lowest value going into a bye week is the best way to go about it. You'll have a hard time finding someone willing to give up an active starting-caliber player for a stud that's on bye, and trading your studs for someone else's backups doesn't sound like a winning strategy.Hit the waiver wire, see what other deals you can make, and try to cobble together a win for one week. Then reevaluate whether or not you can make net improvements to your team by trading your stud, when their value has risen having already passed their bye.

You can't lose another week in order to make the playoffs. If you let the whole league know that you will be trading player X you'll likely get near equal value. I'm not saying you have to trade your stud for someone not even close to equal value but if you try hard enough you'll probably do ok.

You're not going to get near equal value if you tried to trade, say, Tom Brady today. Why would I give you an equally valuable player who's active week 7 for a player who isn't active in week 7? I'm trying to win, too, and you're just dumping your bye week problem onto my roster. No thanks. If you want to trade Brady, you'll get much better value for him next week. I assume you have backups on your bench, use them this week. Try to make improvements through free agency or other trades, but don't sell your team short by intentionally trading a stud player when his value is deflated.

 

[shnikies]

I agree with the premise that an 0-6 team should be looking to make big moves to shake up their roster. I'm not sure trading your "studs" when they're at their lowest value going into a bye week is the best way to go about it. You'll have a hard time finding someone willing to give up an active starting-caliber player for a stud that's on bye, and trading your studs for someone else's backups doesn't sound like a winning strategy.Hit the waiver wire, see what other deals you can make, and try to cobble together a win for one week. Then reevaluate whether or not you can make net improvements to your team by trading your stud, when their value has risen having already passed their bye.

You can't lose another week in order to make the playoffs. If you let the whole league know that you will be trading player X you'll likely get near equal value. I'm not saying you have to trade your stud for someone not even close to equal value but if you try hard enough you'll probably do ok.

You're not going to get near equal value if you tried to trade, say, Tom Brady today. Why would I give you an equally valuable player who's active week 7 for a player who isn't active in week 7? I'm trying to win, too, and you're just dumping your bye week problem onto my roster. No thanks. If you want to trade Brady, you'll get much better value for him next week. I assume you have backups on your bench, use them this week. Try to make improvements through free agency or other trades, but don't sell your team short by intentionally trading a stud player when his value is deflated.

Trade Brady next week when you're 0-7 and already eliminated from playoff contention. Just because Brady is on bye doesn't mean you can't get close to equal value from a 6-0, 5-1, or 4-2 team who needs quarterback help and can afford a possible loss but more likely can still win since they have a good enough team to have the record they have.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

Trade Brady next week when you're 0-7 and already eliminated from playoff contention.

Or trade Brady last week when you were 0-5. No sense waiting until his bye week to try and unload him on someone who won't pay you his full value. Like I said, I agree with the idea that an 0-whatever team needs to make big moves to turn his season around, but ignoring your carefully constructed scenarios that support your strategy (where have I seen that before...?), specifically waiting until your best player is on bye to put him on the block is not the best way to do that.

Just because Brady is on bye doesn't mean you can't get close to equal value from a 6-0, 5-1, or 4-2 team who needs quarterback help and can afford a possible loss but more likely can still win since they have a good enough team to have the record they have.

No team, regardless of record, is going to risk a possible loss to help your team get its first win, unless it comes at a bargain. If you wait until your stud is on bye you're intentionally trading from a position of weakness. Unless you play with dopes, no one's going to give you fair value in that situation.

 

[shnikies]

Trade Brady next week when you're 0-7 and already eliminated from playoff contention.

Or trade Brady last week when you were 0-5. No sense waiting until his bye week to try and unload him on someone who won't pay you his full value. Like I said, I agree with the idea that an 0-whatever team needs to make big moves to turn his season around, but ignoring your carefully constructed scenarios that support your strategy (where have I seen that before...?), specifically waiting until your best player is on bye to put him on the block is not the best way to do that.

Just because Brady is on bye doesn't mean you can't get close to equal value from a 6-0, 5-1, or 4-2 team who needs quarterback help and can afford a possible loss but more likely can still win since they have a good enough team to have the record they have.

No team, regardless of record, is going to risk a possible loss to help your team get its first win, unless it comes at a bargain. If you wait until your stud is on bye you're intentionally trading from a position of weakness. Unless you play with dopes, no one's going to give you fair value in that situation.

No team will? A team that's 6-0 with a fringe QB1 wouldn't give close to equal value because the player they're trading for is on bye? I also don't think quarterbacks are best for an example. The difference between a top tier quarterback vs. a fringe QB1 in a good matchup isn't as big as a top 10 running back vs whoever you'd put in to replace him in the lineup. In usual circumstances the team that gets the best player wins in a trade even if both sides have equal value. Let's say you have Frank Gore on bye and you can trade him for two top 20-25 running backs that aren't on bye. The trade value is close to equal but the 6-0 or 5-1 team would do it since they're acquiring a stud. Like I said before, if you're unable to get in the ballpark of equal value then it's a moot point but if you're able to get close to equal value then you can't afford to not do the trade.