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He just threw a TD, he is a sell high.I have never liked him much, thought he was a poor mans Cunningham.If he can temper his mistakes in MIN, with that Oline, ADP, and that D, he can be serviceable for MIN to win enough games.From a fantasy POV, I wouldn't want him.
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But that's just the point. He CAN'T temper his mistakes. He never could. Sure, it would be great if he could be one of those Trant Dilfer-esque "game manager" QBs, but he simply doesn't have the skills to pull that off. But you know who does? Gus Frerotte.Minnesota is a playoff team waiting to happen. But it will never, ever, ever, ever, EVER happen as long as Tavaris Jackson is their quarterback.
punt.
I agree
He also thinks Kyle Orton is great and anything non-bear is awfulJackson impressed me in the 2nd half. Like another poster said, he hung in there among the pressure, took some hits in a tough environment...against a tough defense (I think people forget that about Green Bay sometimes).
I can't figure out why anyone actually thought he was any good.
Look, I'm a MN homer and I've never seen anything but a couple of rocket balls from him that leads me to believe he's worth anything.He cant manage a clock, can't complete any pass further than 10 yds, and makes poor choices in the passing game in general.
I do think this is an important cog when evaluating Tjax.i was surprised to see ADP not even touch the ball (save the TD run) when the were driving.You have the most explosive player in the NFL. Lets pass it to GMills, or BWade instead.Line up ADP as a WR or something, he will draw enough attention where ever he goes, but to basically forget about him was a shame.
Have you considered the possibility that a better quarterback would have been able to work with that play calling?
ANYTHING you want to bet....I'll take that bet.
100 million dollars?!?
"Up and comer"? Really? Boy, I wish I was watching the game you were watching. In the game I was watching the starting QB went 16 for 35. He had an ok 3rd, and maybe 5 throws that I said "Ok, there you go." But otherwise TJ locked in on receivers he couldn't hit all night long. Quote of the night was a slant he had Berrian on in the redzone in I believe the 1st quarter, after that nice AP run, and he bounced the ball to Berrian who had perfect inside position. Someone on the MNF crew rightfully remarked "They are 'that throw' away from being good." Spot on.
A "better" QB could have made Childress call different plays? huh TJ didn't even have any time in the game tonight to do anything. On the few plays he did have time he did well. He'll be fine, stop freaking out.
No, a better QB could have made some of those plays. You can blame Childress for the play calling, but ultimately it's the quarterback who decides where to throw the ball. At some point you gotta stop making excuses for Jackson. He's holding this team back. It's time to at least SEE what another quarterback might be able to do behind center.
absolutely one of the worst QBs in the NFL..he's a bad as Tim Couch was..
It was a tale of two halves. The first half he was admittedly rusty. He'd missed the last two and a half preseason games. Compound that with the atrocious play calling and they weren't even putting him in a position to succeed. I saw really good QBs throw some in the dirt this weekend (I'm looking at YOU Petyon Manning.)The second half was much better. (I wish I could find a breakdown of stats by half.)This piling on is ridiculous. The entire offseason they beat the drumhead of - "All he has to do is manage the game for us. If he just doesn't turn it over, the running game and defense are strong enough to carry the team."Well that wasn't true at all, was it? For 58 minutes he managed the game very well and they were DOWN by five because the special teams can't cover, the dbacks can't cover, the line gets no pressure, and they don't stay in their lanes on running downs. And then they (local media are saying this stuff) have the gall to say "Well he had a chance to prove he could do it in a two minute drill and he showed he couldn't."This is absurd. They lose a close one, at Lambeau, to a team that was one pass in overtime away from the Super Bowl, and all of a sudden the sky is falling because the QB that they didn't want to rely on to win games didn't win it for them. This is preposterous.
I predict he sets new records in the "passes thrown at the feet of receivers" category
If every young QB was benched after just 12 or so starts.....many pro-bowl QB's would have never made it to Honolulu, and a few names would be missing from the HOF.Seriously dude...while I'm not sold on TJ as a long-term QUALITY NFL starter, it's ridiculous to call for a benching at this point, particularly when there's nothing especially compelling sitting on their bench.
I don't think it's absurd to question TJ. All we saw yesterday was the same thing we saw at the end of last year: When the defense gives up the pass to stop Peterson, a QB needs to make them pay for it. While TJ did that at times in the 3rd, he really did not give downfield receivers any chance at all to make a play in most instances. They threw up a stat that TJ had the lowest comp % for 20+ yard throws in the NFL, and it's obvious. He just throws it up for grabs, often way too short or way to far. I totally agree the defense and special teams hurt us, but they did not cause TJ to go 16 for 35. He had his chances and simply showed zero accuracy other than 2 really nice throws that I recall off hand. As far as QB intangibles, I just can;t remember seeing him pump, look off a safety, anything. It's drop back, lock on your 1 WR, and throw it whether he's open or not. Perhaps the S.Rice TD was an exception as I do think he looked at a couple receivers on that play. Generally he doesn't IMHO. His ceiling is really, really low as an NFL passer. If he has a single 300 yard passing game this season, I will be utterly shocked.Andy Dufresne said:
Some guys, to the trained eye, are obvious bums. Jackson joins the ranks of Vinnie Young, David Carr, Alex Smith, etc. There is nothing about his game that even remotely says 'I can make it'.Matt Ryan in one game has flashed skills that Jackson will never achieve.renesauz said:
I didn't say that it's absurd to question him. I'm saying that it's absurd to say they lost the game because he couldn't get it done in crunch time.I think that people are judging him WAY too harshly because we all want to think we can run the team better than the guys hired to do it. I do it to. People want to say "See, I was right about TJax." Well you might be, but last night was about the performance I'd expect from a 2nd year starter that had missed most of the pre-season. The bigger problem for fans is this - the league is both a "win now" and quarterback driven league. The problem is that in the vast majority of cases, those two things are in opposition to each other. Very few QBs can come into the league and win now. There's only a half dozen competent QBs in the NFL right now for the very reason that teams and fans are unwilling to give a guy a break and actually develop.There are warning signs that Jackson could bust. There are also signs that he could be pretty good. All I'm saying is that fans are placing the blame for the loss at Jackson's feet. This is neither fair nor accurate.
Just curious here, but....In 17 games (15 starts), Jackson has completed 57% of his passes for 2564 yards, with 12 TDs, 17 INTs, and a 68.2 passer rating. If you include his rushing stats then he's got 2968 yards, 13 TDs, and 18 turnovers.renesauz said:
The Vikes don't need a pro bowl QB. With their D, their O line, and run game, they just need a good one.To answer your Q, many have done poorly so I'm guessing the answer is yes.
One thing Jackson needs a lot of improvement on is the deep ball. He never has been good at it.
I think either he or the wideout made a mistake on their route that led to the interception. Hard to tell though.
He looked pretty good. I was hoping they'd upgrade the TE position in the offseason, but they sure didn't.
Fair enough. I don't blame the loss fully on TJ, but he definitely gets his share of the blame. It's his job to lead the team, at the end of the day. Personally, I saw no change from last year... and I was very hopeful given the reports we heard during training camp of his development. As much as it pains me to say it, there was no comparison between TJ and Rodgers, and it was not all poor defense. Rodgers was constantly scanning the field despite being rushed pretty hard, completed 82% of his passes, threw downfield selectively and accurately [without even considering the 67 yard TD that was nullified], and that's a guy who had what, 30 snaps in live regular season action? I tend to agree with the crowd that says it isn't too hard to see what guys have it and what guys don't. I don't think the game will slow down for TJ. That one throw he unleashed directly at 4 packers basically settled it in my mind. He locked into a location and, come hell or high water, he was throwing the ball there, white jersey or not. I hope I'm wrong. Anytime a team puts this much time into a project it just has to pay dividends.
As someone who has taken swipes at Jackson before, I'm starting to feel playcalling is having more of an impact on his performance than skill.Perhaps this reflects my dissatisfaction as a Rice owner, as he was only targetted what, 3 times? Berrian was definitely getting the lion's share of attempts.
No doubt about it. The first half it looked like Darrel Bevell left the passing game portion of his playbook at home.
Ha, you used Bevell and playbook in the same sentence.
I'm no stats guru...but I'm 100% certain that there are MANY pro-bowl QB's with uglier stat lines in their first 15 starts, and a couple of HOF's (Aikman? Brees?)Look...TJ was horrid last year, absolutely bottom of the barrel miserable. BUT...he was billed as rough, and was supposed to take 2-3 years. I watched him last year and thought "he'l never make it in the NFL". I watched him last night and thought, "He still looks bad, but he does look much better." He looked like he belonged in the NFL at least (albiet as a backup), when he DIDN'T before.
John David Booooooty ?
and I dont own him and I'm not a disgruntled homer.
