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TE Jonnu Smith, PIT (3 Viewers)
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Deamon
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The Frankman
Footballguy
Jonnu is also losing the target battle with Davis re-emerging, Brown starting to see more consistent targets, Firkser/Pruitt getting looks, etc.
Quiet in here. Who is starting him?
Feel like the path of least resistance has been through AJ and C. Davis for this offense and hell, even Firsker is getting looks, but CHI seems a little soft against TEs.
Some data, TEs against CHI:
* J. Cook: 5-51-1
* Rams TEs: 7-75-1
* CAR TEs: Zippo, but they don't target them.
* TB TEs: 9-105-0
* E. Engram: 6-65-0
* TJ Hockinson: 5-56-1
If CHI locks up AJ and C. Davis, could be time for Jonnu to awaken.
Debating Jonnu or L. Thomas today.
Feel like the path of least resistance has been through AJ and C. Davis for this offense and hell, even Firsker is getting looks, but CHI seems a little soft against TEs.
Some data, TEs against CHI:
* J. Cook: 5-51-1
* Rams TEs: 7-75-1
* CAR TEs: Zippo, but they don't target them.
* TB TEs: 9-105-0
* E. Engram: 6-65-0
* TJ Hockinson: 5-56-1
If CHI locks up AJ and C. Davis, could be time for Jonnu to awaken.
Debating Jonnu or L. Thomas today.
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bcnfinance
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Hockenson over him but it's an easy choice. If he doesn't show up today that's a real bad sign.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I think that is a terrible idea.kyoun1e said:
And why would that be?
J. Smith wasn't targeted until halfway through the 4th quarter. Two total targets. Play action on the 1 for a TD totally bailed him out.
He's not exactly a slam dunk these days.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Well maybe you are right that Smith will not be part of the passing game for the Titans much going forward.
Bri gives one reason for Smiths diminished opportunity recently because of injury to Pruitt and their other blocking TE being inactive for the game.
I think another reason Smith isn't getting as much opportunity as a receiver is because of AJ Brown being healthy now. Thats not likely to change.
Bryant and Njoku have been productive in Hoopers absence so I think he has competition for looks at his own position and I don't know if the same opportunity is going to be there for him when he does as the other TE have been ok as well.
If Hooper does return to 5 targets per game and Smith is only getting 2 targets per game then maybe you are right to make the move and its not such a terrible idea. I just think Smith is a better player than Hooper is and I would feel more comfortable starting Smith than Hooper, even though Smith hasn't done much lately.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Didn't drop him, but starting Dallas Goedert over him this week.
Grabbed A. Hooper this morning in waivers and will be starting him over Jonnu.
Don't like the upcoming schedule for TN. Indy, @BALT, @Indy.
If push comes to shove come tmrw, I may drop him just prior to the Thursday night game.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Ugh forgot he plays Thursday. I'd hate for him to put up a dud and then sit there all week locked in my roster.
The Frankman
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Biabreakable
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I only caught part of the game.
Smith needs to get quicker with his breaks at the top of the route. Both Smith and Brown seemed to be complaining about the Colts holding or something. Got to give the Colts defense credit for frustrating these guys.
Smith needs to get quicker with his breaks at the top of the route. Both Smith and Brown seemed to be complaining about the Colts holding or something. Got to give the Colts defense credit for frustrating these guys.
Smith and Brown are elite now (as far as defenses are concerned) and Smith has as much trouble dealing with the best as Brown does.
The Titans line is breaking down now. Several times a linemen was shoved aside like nothing. Ty has been real good filling in for Lewan but not the last game and parts of the previous. Saffold hurt his shoulder and isn't being a beast so I figure he's hurting and playing through it. The left was a strength for the Titans and one of the best in the league, not the last two games though.
It feels like last year when things were off and they right the ship by running Henry no matter what. They have to get back to that. I think Tannehill, Brown, and Jonnu's success has had them pass a little more than they should and get away from their base offense. D'onta Foreman looks good. McNichols has played much better since Foreman popped up. I haven't even heard Evans' name lately. They could really run all day like those playoff games last year.
The Titans have essentially had the worst draft in NFL history with ummm no one panning out. There is time, plenty of time this season, and if any of them step up then that will be significant. Isaiah Wilson is a mean n nasty looking Tackle. His highlights are woah. He's been immature and had bust written all over him. If he plays like a first round tackle, that will be huge for the line. Their second round CB has made like six or seven plays and that's about it. Their seventh round CB has done better than any drafted player and we all knew he'd be all about hustle and not a top corner type with the 7th pick so...it's been rough for the Titans. (Don't forget spending 10-12 mil on a DE that they already cut too)
There's more resting on this ten day break between games than it might seem. This is like their bye; their heal up and let's get it together type period. Jonnu has been covering for other positions and it's not unreasonable at all to expect he can just play his normal role when they return. I don't know if they can beat the Ravens or the Colts in such a short turnaround. It might be two losses, but I'm feeling good about Jonnu and the Titans after those two games.
You're not picking up a better TE off the WW in FF. It's either wait this out or someone else will
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I hear what you are saying Bri. With the offensive line not playing as well they likely need Smith to block more.
I am really happy for D'Onta Foreman that he has found a team and they even let him score. I think he is a good player.
Yeah I think if someone drops Smith that another team would pick him up pretty quickly.
I am really happy for D'Onta Foreman that he has found a team and they even let him score. I think he is a good player.
Yeah I think if someone drops Smith that another team would pick him up pretty quickly.
The Frankman
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Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Is he droppable? I mean he's just like the rest of the guys not named Kelce, Waller... You know. Meaning he's touchdown dependent and he's severely lacking targets lately.
MAC_32
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
skillz
Footballguy
In a run first team. Less targets with Brown back and Davis emerging. He’s also blocking more due to the O line injuries. Also sharing some catches with Firkser. Battling an ankle injury. Definitely trending down and TD dependent.
I do like his playoff schedule starting with Jax and Det in weeks 14 and 15 though. Both give him a good chance at a TD.
I do like his playoff schedule starting with Jax and Det in weeks 14 and 15 though. Both give him a good chance at a TD.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I’m without Andrews and must win to get in this week. Do you start him over Rudolph? Hard to trust.
FUBAR
Footballguy
In a way, the bad thing here is it worked against a strong defense. Granted they were without their DTs. Which doesn't necessarily mean they'll do it again but maybe.
It kind of reminds me of the Chiefs in 2002 (I think that was the year). Great TE, possibly the goat. Became a blocker for a while because of o-line injuries. They kept scoring, but the was one of Gonzo's worst years for FF.
Not to say jonnu is gonzo level.
It kind of reminds me of the Chiefs in 2002 (I think that was the year). Great TE, possibly the goat. Became a blocker for a while because of o-line injuries. They kept scoring, but the was one of Gonzo's worst years for FF.
Not to say jonnu is gonzo level.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Me starting Jonnu Smith this week
What I am actually preparing for
You can't trust him. But I don't think you can trust any TE not named Kelce or Waller. Just hope he is not tasked with chip blocking Myles Garrett. The other 10 healthy players on the Browns defense objectively suck, so Jonnu will win if given opportunities. It's just up to Vrabel and Arthur to decide who gets them.
zamboni
Footballguy
Happened with Witten earlier in his career too. Don’t recall what year, but there were big time OL injuries that forced Witten to block more and run fewer routes, lowering his fantasy stats.
That’s the risk with virtually all TEs not named Kelce. Beyond his pass catching prowess, one of Kelce’s “strengths” is that he’s always had a strong OL and is an average blocker at best. Most other TEs are asked to do much more than catch passes, even Kittle.
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Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
There's a guy named Taysom Hi... Oh wait. That week is over, unless you don't play with your lineup then you can keep him in.
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After further review, Swaim has been playing more snaps every week than Firkser and is considered the better blocker. With Myles Garrett coming, I'd guess Swaim does most of the work and they feed Henry. Andrews and Jonnu my TEs....just picked up Rudolph in this win and in game. Thank goodness Irv is out.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Dropped this guy for Robert Tonyan as my backup to Goedert. Felt better about it since he was ruled OUT.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
Those are my two TEs currently. Picked up Goedert weeks ago, dropped Jonnu for Tonyan this week. I remember early in the season when I thought I hit the jackpot with a late round TE.
zamboni
Footballguy
Really bought into the hype this year for Jonnu. He’s got a lot of TDs but not a lot of targets/catches/yards.
He clearly has talent/explosiveness, but on this heavy run based offense that, when they do pass, goes through AJB and a rejuvenated Corey Davis, there just aren’t a lot of leftovers.
He clearly has talent/explosiveness, but on this heavy run based offense that, when they do pass, goes through AJB and a rejuvenated Corey Davis, there just aren’t a lot of leftovers.
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bcnfinance
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If he wasn’t on my IR this is the week to drop him.
