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Due to volume and a couple good weeks. He was not startable the majority of the year in an offense that gave him a ton of snaps. 

He was not a good football player last year. Eventually those guys start to lose snaps and opportunities. Especially when a new regime and offense come to town. 

To be fair, it's not like he has a lot of competition. And he could improve. But I just don't see much reason for optimism here. 

But laugh it off like it's just an agenda. 

 
32 Counter Pass said:
You really got an axe to grind with Matthews. What is the deal? Did he steal your milk money as a kid?  :lmao:

He finished as WR16 LY in ppr, thus a solid WR2 option. You have to admit that is slightly better than "sucking."
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Please go look at his point production week by week. He had a solid first 2 games and then had a stretch of games where he really just wasn't startable. He only then had a few really good games in the fantasy playoffs when you would have to be crazy to start him. 

 
I think Matthews was a little overvalued last season in drafts (WR11). This year, I think he may be about right (WR26). His numbers last season were a little underwhelming, but he still had 85/997/8, which was good enough for WR16. Yes, the change in HC could lead to more of a run first offense, but who else is there to really take targets away from him? Agholor? Think he makes a fine WR3 for this season with WR2 upside.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Due to volume and a couple good weeks. He was not startable the majority of the year in an offense that gave him a ton of snaps. 
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Matthews 2015 production by game in ppr format:


1


@ATL


0


0


10


102


0


20.20


2


DAL


0


0


6


80


1


20.00


3


@NYJ


0


0


6


49


0


10.90


4


@WAS


0


0


3


50


0


8.00


5


NO


0


0


5


44


0


9.40


6


NYG


0


0


6


59


0


11.90


7


@CAR


0


0


3


14


0


4.40


9


@DAL


0


0


9


133


1


28.30


10


MIA


0


0


3


21


0


5.10


11


TB


0


0


4


13


0


5.30


12


@DET


0


0


3


60


1


15.00


13


@NE


0


0


3


36


1


12.60


14


BUF


0


0


3


19


0


4.90


15


ARI


0


0


8


159


1


29.90


16


WAS


0


0


6


104


1


22.40


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

9 double digit games. I have a hunch you over drafted him last year given your vitriol posts. I did as well in one league LY. I am not going to let that mistake completely bias my opinion of his value. I see solid value at his current ADP.

 
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ConnSKINS26 said:
He was not a good football player last year. Eventually those guys start to lose snaps and opportunities. Especially when a new regime and offense come to town. 
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I understand the sentiment, but who is he going to lose snaps and opportunities to on the Eagles (for this season at least)?. He's the best WR on the team.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
Due to volume and a couple good weeks. He was not startable the majority of the year in an offense that gave him a ton of snaps. 
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He made mental mistakes last year. He didn't make those in 2014. If you're looking at efficiency stats, he was a better player in 2014 (> 10 DVOA, good catch rate). Does he get a pass because of a team in flux, an offense that was figured out, a QB change, or just the yips? Maybe. I think you have to throw out the Eagles 2015 to some degree. It was a bad situation in a lot of ways. Ran the same offense. QB couldn't run the offense. Kept running the same plays even though the defense knew what was coming. Personally I like him as an NFL player. I would question his future as an NFL WR1 but not as a NFL WR. Given the contracts Jones and Sanu got I think he will continue to be relevant as a big smart WR. 

 
I owned him last year, did not enjoy it.  Sat through that early/mid stretch of bad games, then when I benched him he had pretty big weeks.  So one of those guys, we've all owned them.  

Not yet sure what to make of him this year, coach/OC change is definitely not encouraging.  He does seem to have a nose for the end zone though.

 
Typical example of underperforming expectations one year leading to bad taste in owners mouths, being undervalued the following year. 

 
32 Counter Pass said:
Matthews 2015 production by game in ppr format:


1


@ATL


0


0


10


102


0


20.20


2


DAL


0


0


6


80


1


20.00


3


@NYJ


0


0


6


49


0


10.90


4


@WAS


0


0


3


50


0


8.00


5


NO


0


0


5


44


0


9.40


6


NYG


0


0


6


59


0


11.90


7


@CAR


0


0


3


14


0


4.40


9


@DAL


0


0


9


133


1


28.30


10


MIA


0


0


3


21


0


5.10


11


TB


0


0


4


13


0


5.30


12


@DET


0


0


3


60


1


15.00


13


@NE


0


0


3


36


1


12.60


14


BUF


0


0


3


19


0


4.90


15


ARI


0


0


8


159


1


29.90


16


WAS


0


0


6


104


1


22.40


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

9 double digit games. I have a hunch you over drafted him last year given your vitriol posts. I did as well in one league LY. I am not going to let that mistake completely bias my opinion of his value. I see solid value at his current ADP.
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In standard he had 6 double digit games. 2 to start the year, and 2 to end the year. Everything in between you couldn't trust the guy so you maybe we're happy the first 2 weeks and I can't see any way you would trust him in your playoffs. 

 
32 Counter Pass said:
Matthews 2015 production by game in ppr format:


1


@ATL


0


0


10


102


0


20.20


2


DAL


0


0


6


80


1


20.00


3


@NYJ


0


0


6


49


0


10.90


4


@WAS


0


0


3


50


0


8.00


5


NO


0


0


5


44


0


9.40


6


NYG


0


0


6


59


0


11.90


7


@CAR


0


0


3


14


0


4.40


9


@DAL


0


0


9


133


1


28.30


10


MIA


0


0


3


21


0


5.10


11


TB


0


0


4


13


0


5.30


12


@DET


0


0


3


60


1


15.00


13


@NE


0


0


3


36


1


12.60


14


BUF


0


0


3


19


0


4.90


15


ARI


0


0


8


159


1


29.90


16


WAS


0


0


6


104


1


22.40


 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

9 double digit games. I have a hunch you over drafted him last year given your vitriol posts. I did as well in one league LY. I am not going to let that mistake completely bias my opinion of his value. I see solid value at his current ADP.
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I don't play redraft FF, and I don't own him in dynasty. Only owned him briefly this offseason before flipping him. So your hunch is off, I just don't think he's a very good player. 

Who cares about the 9 double digit games? No owners were benefiting from his bigger weeks (9, 12, 15 and 16) after the string of stinkers he put up to start the season after the first two weeks. A player that inconsistent isn't helpful unless you've got a crystal ball, and your usage of "double digit" weeks is just a weird arbitrary cut-off to try and frame the discussion the way that you want. What is the real difference between 9.4 and 11.9 points? 2.5 measly points. But 11.9 is an "okay" score that you'd be happy with because its in the double digits technically? 

Without manipulating the data, its clear looking at the chart above that he had an awful season, yes especially for where he was drafted (not by me). 

I always look at this stuff through a dynasty lens, its all I play. And with how young, talented, deep, and productive WR is (never mind the old productive guys as well) I see no reason to value a guy like Matthews very highly is all. That was my only point, unless he's dirt cheap.

 
I think a lot of owners exaggerate the consistency aspect of FF,  Only a select few guys are super consistent and for a position like WR, not everyone is Antonio Brown.  

I looked at my most standard PPR league where Matthews is 16th ranked WR.  16th ranked Matthews had 6 games at 20+ points and 10 games of under 20.  His 10 'bad' games came in 2 sets of 5 game runs.

By comparison, the 3rd ranked WR, Brandon Marshall, had 8 games of 20+ and 8 games under 20 pts.  He had one 5 'bad' game run.  

12th ranked Calvin Johnson had 5 games over 20 points and 11 games under 20 points.

This is something that can be used to get edge on your fellow drafters.  Outside of the top 2-3 players, consistency can not be counted on. You either have to play to the aggregate and play your 'starters' every week, ride the highs/lows and hope the ebb and flow work in your favor.  OR, you can try to play the matchup game.  Every week trying to predict when the highs and lows will happen and start/bench the player accordingly.

 
Stop with the arbitrary cut-offs, jeez. 3 of those 8 "under 20" games for Marshall were 18-19 points. Two more were 15 points. 

This is nothing like Jordan Matthews, Brandon Marshall was one of the most consistent fantasy WR's last year and you're manipulating the numbers to try to make it look like he was only slightly more consistent (two games more consistent, using your system!) with this bullcrap. 

Its disingenuous man. And in this instance embarrassing. 

 
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Nah, I didn't manipulate anything and I didn't have time to do the analysis on top 20. 

You're not hurting my feelings overvaluing consistency. As you were. 

 
Rhythmdoctor said:
Nah, I didn't manipulate anything and I didn't have time to do the analysis on top 20. 

You're not hurting my feelings overvaluing consistency. As you were. 
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You didn't? What was your point, then? Did you have one? Marshall is the exact opposite of whatever example you were trying to get the numbers to show, so I don't really get the argument.

 
There is pretty consistent narrative coming up in these Eagles player's threads that most poeple are missing a really big point: Chip Kelly turned this team into an unmitigated disaster last year. I for one just don't know how to predict the futures of Matherws, Murray, etc. in other words, throw out what happened last year. If you chose to be a bit of an optimist, then Mathews ceiling could very much be that of Maclin. In the 5th round of a 12 team league, that smells like a good value to me depending on your overall plan. Just my $.02.

 
There is pretty consistent narrative coming up in these Eagles player's threads that most poeple are missing a really big point: Chip Kelly turned this team into an unmitigated disaster last year. I for one just don't know how to predict the futures of Matherws, Murray, etc. in other words, throw out what happened last year. If you chose to be a bit of an optimist, then Mathews ceiling could very much be that of Maclin. In the 5th round of a 12 team league, that smells like a good value to me depending on your overall plan. Just my $.02.

 
Eagles coach Doug Pederson said WR Jordan Matthews (knee strain) is out a "couple weeks."
Matthews took a low shot during last Friday's practice. Pederson said Matthews suffered no structural damage and is hopeful he will be back for the third preseason game. With their receiving corps already among the worst in the league, the Eagles cannot afford a long-term injury for Matthews. Nelson Agholor should serve as the No. 1 while Matthews is sidelined.

 
 
Source: Zach Berman on Twitter
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Jordan Matthews has missed the past week of OTAs due to knee tendinitis.

The Eagles are calling Matthews' absence "precautionary," but it's at least notable because Matthews battled this same exact issue last season in October. It didn't cost Matthews any game action -- his missed time last year was an ankle problem -- but Matthews has battled nagging injuries for the past couple years it seems. He'll likely be fine for minicamp in a couple weeks. Once rumored to possibly be on the trade block, Matthews has the quarterback in his corner, as he and Carson Wentz are known to be "boys." Matthews' targets should take a decent hit in 2017 with the additions of Alshon Jeffery and Torrey Smith and further emergence of Zach Ertz.

Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News
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Eagles coach Doug Pederson said Jordan Matthews will not have a reduced role this season.

OC Frank Reich made waves on Monday after saying the situation in the slot will be "a little bit different than last year" and bringing up Nelson Agholor's name unprompted. Even if he holds off Agholor, however, Matthews will almost certainly see fewer targets this season with Alshon Jeffery and Torrey Smith now in the fold. Despite Pederson's comments, it would not be surprising if the Eagles attempt to trade Matthews, who is entering the final year of his deal.

Source: Reuben Frank on Twitter 

Aug 8 - 11:19 AM
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Bills acquired WR Jordan Matthews and a 2018 third-round pick from the Eagles in exchange for CB Ronald Darby.

Clearly on the outs with Philly heading into the final year of his rookie deal, there had been persistent trade rumors surrounding Matthews, and the Eagles finally pulled the trigger on a deal which returns a starting corner they desperately needed. The move also works out for Matthews, who should immediately slot in as the No. 1 option for a now Sammy Watkins-less offense. Coming off the board in the 11th round before the trade, Matthews should be valued much closer to the sixth or seventh moving forward, and he has the upside for more if the new coaching staff opens up the passing game.
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New Bills WR Jordan Matthews is "week to week" with a "chip fracture in his sternum."

Matthews suffered the injury during his first practice with the team on Sunday. "Week to week" is not a telling timetable, and it is unclear if Matthews will return for Week 1. Even if he does, it sounds like he is going to miss multiple weeks of practice, a major concern as he attempts to settle in with his new team. It is not inconceivable second-rounder Zay Jones opens the season as the No. 1 option.

Source: Bills on Twitter 

Aug 14 - 8:29 AM
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Bills coach Sean McDermott said Jordan Matthews (chest) is expected to be ready Week 1.

After getting in limited work on Sunday, Matthews also expressed confidence he will be ready. Considering he was hurt during his first practice with the team, there is reason to worry about how integrated Matthews will be in the offense come Week 1, but Anquan Boldin's retirement means he should have the slot role all to himself. Despite the injury, Matthews is a value pick at his current 10th-round ADP.

Source: ESPN

Aug 22 - 10:42 AM
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Patriots signed WR Jordan Matthews, formerly of the Bills, to a one-year contract.

The Patriots were in the receiver market after trading Brandin Cooks. Matthews is the opposite of Cooks' deep threat but has been a compiler over the middle of the field in between injuries and drops. Supposedly healthy after an injury-ruined 2017 in Buffalo — he underwent both knee and ankle surgery in December — Matthews fits the profile of a Patriots slot machine, at least on paper. We wouldn't consider him a lock to make the 53-man roster, but he will be an interesting name to track this summer.

Related: Bills

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter 

Apr 5 - 8:22 PM
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ESPN Boston reports Jordan Matthews has made a good first impression with the Patriots.

Per ESPN's Mike Reiss, Matthews is "usually one of the first players on the field at practice each day." Reiss believes that if Matthews doesn't "emerge" it won't be for "lack of effort." Matthews' odds of making the 53-man roster has increased exponentially with Julian Edelman's pending four-game PED ban, though he still faces obstacles. Matthews' $170,000 guaranteed is a meager sum, while his healthy has derailed his career in recent years. Were Matthews to have a strong camp and make the team, he could be a sneaky WR4 in fantasy.

Source: ESPN Boston 

Jun 7 - 5:03 PM
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ESPN's Mike Reiss expects Jordan Matthews to "emerge in some form" during Julian Edelman's four-game suspension.

Matthews would be a logical replacement as he and Edelman are both primarily slot receivers. The 25-year-old struggled while battling injuries in Buffalo last year but should benefit from a change of scenery. Catching balls from the greatest quarterback who ever lived also won't hurt. Matthews carries some appeal as a late-round flyer, particularly in PPR formats.

Source: ESPN.com 

Jun 29 - 3:54 PM
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Jordan Matthews left Sunday's practice with a right hamstring injury.

Matthews stopped by the Patriots' medical tent after tweaking his hamstring during 1-on-1 drills. He returned wearing new cleats but departed again after trying unsuccessfully to jog. Hamstring injuries tend to linger, so this will obviously be a situation worth monitoring. The slot receiver carries mild sleeper appeal with Julian Edelman serving a four-game suspension to begin the year, though that's only if he can stay healthy.

Source: Jeff Howe on Twitter 

Jul 29 - 11:22 AM
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MassLive's Andrew Callahan left Jordan Matthews off his 53-man roster prediction.

Callahan has Phillip Dorsett, Kenny Britt, and Cordarrelle Patterson making the team behind Julian Edelman and Chris Hogan. Matthews certainly is not helping his case by missing time with a hamstring injury, but if he can get healthy, he would seem to be the best fill in during Edelman's four-game suspension, although Phillip Dorsett has been taking snaps in the slot early in camp. Once considered a "lock" to make the roster, Matthews needs to get back on the field.

Source: MassLive 

Jul 31 - 10:55 AM
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So as somewhat of a 'truther' on this guy, it hurts me to ask, but with roster cut downs in many leagues approaching it's not out of the question that he might be a cut candidate in dynasty, right?

Obviously dependant on roster size and whether you can carry him on IR (he's already off the IR designation on MFL), but would it be crazy to consider throwing him to waivers? In other words, does anyone hold out hope at this point?

 
dickey moe said:
Were his first few years really that good? See.ed like he never really got off the ground. Can't remember any big games from him.
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Huh? His first 2 years in the league were like 800+ yds and I think nearly 1,000 with 8 TDs a piece. TDs #s dropped in his last year in philly but it’s not like he was a scrub. 

 
Jordan Matthews played 47-of-78 snaps (60 percent) Week 4 against the Titans.

He only caught one pass, a 56-yard touchdown in which he took advantage of a coverage bust, but the playing time is promising, especially since Alshon Jeffery made his season debut on Sunday. Matthews could be worth a stash in deep leagues.

Oct 1 - 9:39 AM
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Coming in at 20 with the world by the tail, Matthews has managed to established himself as an oft-injured journeyman. I don't see him both staying healthy and winning a competition with Pettis, Goodwin, Bourne or even Taylor, let alone a high draft pick - should they spend one. I'll guess camp body.

 
NBC Sports Bay Area's Matt Maiocco believes Jordan Matthews is on the roster bubble.

Matthews signed a one-year deal with the 49ers back in March. He was likely on the bubble as soon as that deal was signed, but his precarious roster spot was confirmed when the 49ers drafted both Deebo Samuel and Jalen Hurd over the weekend. Matthews is likely competing with Kendrick Bourne, Trent Taylor, and Richie James for a roster spot.

SOURCE: NBC Sports Bay Area

May 2, 2019, 11:58 AM ET
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Eagles signed WR Jordan Matthews.

This will be Matthews' third stint with the team after being drafted by Chip Kelly's regime in 2014. Now 27, Matthews doesn't have a whole lot left to offer after numerous lower-body injuries, but he and Carson Wentz have a strong friendship and on-field connection. Matthews could push for snaps in three-wide sets right away with DeSean Jackson (abdomen) sent to I.R.

SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Nov 6, 2019, 12:48 PM ET
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