TE Rob Gronkowski (4 Viewers)

[Tool]

PHOTO: Rob Gronkowski at Whole Foods on motorized scooter

good to see him in the produce section. i'm bumping him up my draft board.

 

[KellysHeroes]

PHOTO: Rob Gronkowski at Whole Foods on motorized scooter

good to see him in the produce section. i'm bumping him up my draft board.

yeah, but theres cake or box of cookies in his basket.

 

[Anarchy99]

Rotoworld:

Rob Gronkowski (torn ACL, injured reserve) will undergo surgery in "about two weeks," and is tentatively expected to be ready for the start of the 2014 season.

Specifically, Gronk has "been told he should be ready for start of 2014 season." In reality, it's far too early to assess Gronk's odds of being ready for Week 1, but it's good news that the early reports are positive. We're unlikely to get a real bead on Gronk's progress before May or June.


Source: Albert Breer on Twitter

Because Gronk has the reputation as a quick healer and willing to jump through every hoop to get back on the field.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Rotoworld:

Rob Gronkowski (torn ACL, injured reserve) will undergo surgery in "about two weeks," and is tentatively expected to be ready for the start of the 2014 season.

Specifically, Gronk has "been told he should be ready for start of 2014 season." In reality, it's far too early to assess Gronk's odds of being ready for Week 1, but it's good news that the early reports are positive. We're unlikely to get a real bead on Gronk's progress before May or June.


Source: Albert Breer on Twitter

Because Gronk has the reputation as a quick healer and willing to jump through every hoop to get back on the field.

well, you probably follow all that closer than I do, but I think that snide snark might be a little unfair.

from the sound of it, gronk was healed up well in advance of his return this year, and was basically being held out by his agent because of concerns the pats might wreck his client.

it's not like gronk didn't take the field after the first break just to rebreak his arm.

now, you can make the case that rosenhaus will pull the same routine next year, but I think they're somewhat different situations

 

[Bayhawks]

Rotoworld:

Rob Gronkowski (torn ACL, injured reserve) will undergo surgery in "about two weeks," and is tentatively expected to be ready for the start of the 2014 season.

Specifically, Gronk has "been told he should be ready for start of 2014 season." In reality, it's far too early to assess Gronk's odds of being ready for Week 1, but it's good news that the early reports are positive. We're unlikely to get a real bead on Gronk's progress before May or June.


Source: Albert Breer on Twitter

Because Gronk has the reputation as a quick healer and willing to jump through every hoop to get back on the field.

Actually, until this season, he did have that reputation.

HAS in 2011 AFCC, returned and played in the SB 2 weeks later.

Broken forearm in week 10 2012, returned to play in week 16.

So, yeah, until the multiple back & forearm surgeries this offseason, he has been a relatively quick healer.

 

[Anarchy99]

No one really knows comparatively speaking how quickly Gronk heals. He's had so many serious injuries and surgeries that have spanned in-season and off-season that it's really hard to judge. However, his lack of being on the field earlier this year became a long running news story. Now, maybe that was a media thing and not a team thing, but IMO the last few years Gronk's available on a consistent basis has come into question. How big a deal is that? It's not 0% and probably not 100%. The answer lies somewhere in the middle, and certainly the Pats organization will never disclose how big an issue it is for them.

As I mentioned 30 pages ago, at some point you have to start at least wondering if having back, arm, ankle, and knee surgeries will take away something from Gronk. Wh1o knows how much . . . and that's assuming he never gets hurt again and can stay on the field.

 

[Bayhawks]

No one really knows comparatively speaking how quickly Gronk heals. He's had so many serious injuries and surgeries that have spanned in-season and off-season that it's really hard to judge. However, his lack of being on the field earlier this year became a long running news story. Now, maybe that was a media thing and not a team thing, but IMO the last few years Gronk's available on a consistent basis has come into question. How big a deal is that? It's not 0% and probably not 100%. The answer lies somewhere in the middle, and certainly the Pats organization will never disclose how big an issue it is for them.

As I mentioned 30 pages ago, at some point you have to start at least wondering if having back, arm, ankle, and knee surgeries will take away something from Gronk. Wh1o knows how much . . . and that's assuming he never gets hurt again and can stay on the field.

This just isn't accurate. If you wanted to say this for this year, I could buy that (although as soon as he was cleared to play, he played every week). But prior to this year, whenever he got injured, he always came back within the expected rehab time, and played to his usual standards.

He was his usual self when he played this year. He didn't seem limited by any of his injuries, or by his surgeries. Coming back from an ACL and MCL injury is different, though, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a year similar to what Heath Miller did this year: slow to start the year, then stronger towards the end of the season.

 

[Cheesedawg]

Rotoworld:

Rob Gronkowski (torn ACL, injured reserve) will undergo surgery in "about two weeks," and is tentatively expected to be ready for the start of the 2014 season.

Specifically, Gronk has "been told he should be ready for start of 2014 season." In reality, it's far too early to assess Gronk's odds of being ready for Week 1, but it's good news that the early reports are positive. We're unlikely to get a real bead on Gronk's progress before May or June.


Source: Albert Breer on Twitter

Because Gronk has the reputation as a quick healer and willing to jump through every hoop to get back on the field.

well, you probably follow all that closer than I do, but I think that snide snark might be a little unfair.

from the sound of it, gronk was healed up well in advance of his return this year, and was basically being held out by his agent because of concerns the pats might wreck his client.

it's not like gronk didn't take the field after the first break just to rebreak his arm.

now, you can make the case that rosenhaus will pull the same routine next year, but I think they're somewhat VERY different situations

The only reason Gronk was delayed getting back this year is that the infection in the forearm created uncharted waters. There was a risk of the bone being weakened, so they had to make sure he wasn't being set up for a catastrophic injury upon a premature return. There was a lot of downside to "healing fast and hurrying back".

This is a straight-forward, garden-variety knee injury with a much more predictable rehab and return. Your conclusion was correct...this is a VERY different situation.

 

[Anarchy99]

No one really knows comparatively speaking how quickly Gronk heals. He's had so many serious injuries and surgeries that have spanned in-season and off-season that it's really hard to judge. However, his lack of being on the field earlier this year became a long running news story. Now, maybe that was a media thing and not a team thing, but IMO the last few years Gronk's available on a consistent basis has come into question. How big a deal is that? It's not 0% and probably not 100%. The answer lies somewhere in the middle, and certainly the Pats organization will never disclose how big an issue it is for them.

As I mentioned 30 pages ago, at some point you have to start at least wondering if having back, arm, ankle, and knee surgeries will take away something from Gronk. Wh1o knows how much . . . and that's assuming he never gets hurt again and can stay on the field.

This just isn't accurate. If you wanted to say this for this year, I could buy that (although as soon as he was cleared to play, he played every week). But prior to this year, whenever he got injured, he always came back within the expected rehab time, and played to his usual standards.

He was his usual self when he played this year. He didn't seem limited by any of his injuries, or by his surgeries. Coming back from an ACL and MCL injury is different, though, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a year similar to what Heath Miller did this year: slow to start the year, then stronger towards the end of the season.

Gronk has missed 16 games between 2012 and 2013 combined and has been a shell of himself or not playing in the post season in 3 straight post seasons. Does that not qualify as his consistent availability being a bit of a question mark?

 

[Bayhawks]

No one really knows comparatively speaking how quickly Gronk heals. He's had so many serious injuries and surgeries that have spanned in-season and off-season that it's really hard to judge. However, his lack of being on the field earlier this year became a long running news story. Now, maybe that was a media thing and not a team thing, but IMO the last few years Gronk's available on a consistent basis has come into question. How big a deal is that? It's not 0% and probably not 100%. The answer lies somewhere in the middle, and certainly the Pats organization will never disclose how big an issue it is for them.

As I mentioned 30 pages ago, at some point you have to start at least wondering if having back, arm, ankle, and knee surgeries will take away something from Gronk. Wh1o knows how much . . . and that's assuming he never gets hurt again and can stay on the field.

This just isn't accurate. If you wanted to say this for this year, I could buy that (although as soon as he was cleared to play, he played every week). But prior to this year, whenever he got injured, he always came back within the expected rehab time, and played to his usual standards.

He was his usual self when he played this year. He didn't seem limited by any of his injuries, or by his surgeries. Coming back from an ACL and MCL injury is different, though, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a year similar to what Heath Miller did this year: slow to start the year, then stronger towards the end of the season.

Gronk has missed 16 games between 2012 and 2013 combined and has been a shell of himself or not playing in the post season in 3 straight post seasons. Does that not qualify as his consistent availability being a bit of a question mark?

He has been injured. He got a HAS, broken forearm, ACL/MCL tear (back surgery). Those aren't injuries that you can play through. They are also not a recurring injury (save the double break of the forearm). Everyone in the NFL gets injured; you can't shy away from all of them.

We seem to be arguing over semantics. I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree with what I'm interpreting it to mean.

When Gronk can play, he plays. It's not a matter of sitting out b/c of a hammy, when he was expected to play. To me, that means his availability isn't in question. I'd rather have a guy who is in or out, without question over a guy who you never know if he'll be able to suit up or not.

 

[Anarchy99]

Maybe you are talking fantasy while I am talking real football. I get that until this year Gronk has mostly tried his best to get on the field. But for whatever reason he has been banged up a lot. The problem for NE has been that they rely on him so much that when he is out of the line up they are usually not the same team. This year will likely illustrate that, as the Pats are unlikely to win a title this year without Gronk. To be fair, I don't think they would have won with Gronk either, but they had a much better chance had he been around and healthy.

Injuries happen, and only time will tell if either a) Gronk's style of play just leads to him getting hurt more and he continues to get hurt, b) he has lasting effects to his injuries and either comes back at 85-90% or has a shortened career because of all the abuse he has taken (even if he stays mostly healthy the rest of the way), c) he comes back 100% and never gets hurt again. I suppose there are other options or permutations, but those are the main options that could happen. Certainly at this stage no one knows what the future holds.

 

[KellysHeroes]

if this was any other player, they would be deemed DONE!!! in the fantasy world.

 

[Faust]

Why Rob Gronkowski, Patriots may end up parting ways in 2015

 

[Tool]

Maybe you are talking fantasy while I am talking real football. I get that until this year Gronk has mostly tried his best to get on the field. But for whatever reason he has been banged up a lot. The problem for NE has been that they rely on him so much that when he is out of the line up they are usually not the same team. This year will likely illustrate that, as the Pats are unlikely to win a title this year without Gronk. To be fair, I don't think they would have won with Gronk either, but they had a much better chance had he been around and healthy.

Injuries happen, and only time will tell if either a) Gronk's style of play just leads to him getting hurt more and he continues to get hurt, b) he has lasting effects to his injuries and either comes back at 85-90% or has a shortened career because of all the abuse he has taken (even if he stays mostly healthy the rest of the way), c) he comes back 100% and never gets hurt again. I suppose there are other options or permutations, but those are the main options that could happen. Certainly at this stage no one knows what the future holds.

Maybe he can learn to adjust his style somewhat so that he can have a longer career.

 

[Tool]

Why Rob Gronkowski, Patriots may end up parting ways in 2015

It all comes down to how he looks next year and if he stays healthy through the year. If he looks good, i don't see how pats don't pick up the option. If he gets hurt again, they'll probably give up on him. Not sure it's worth speculating at this point.

 

[Warrior]

No one really knows comparatively speaking how quickly Gronk heals. He's had so many serious injuries and surgeries that have spanned in-season and off-season that it's really hard to judge. However, his lack of being on the field earlier this year became a long running news story. Now, maybe that was a media thing and not a team thing, but IMO the last few years Gronk's available on a consistent basis has come into question. How big a deal is that? It's not 0% and probably not 100%. The answer lies somewhere in the middle, and certainly the Pats organization will never disclose how big an issue it is for them.

As I mentioned 30 pages ago, at some point you have to start at least wondering if having back, arm, ankle, and knee surgeries will take away something from Gronk. Wh1o knows how much . . . and that's assuming he never gets hurt again and can stay on the field.

This just isn't accurate. If you wanted to say this for this year, I could buy that (although as soon as he was cleared to play, he played every week). But prior to this year, whenever he got injured, he always came back within the expected rehab time, and played to his usual standards.

He was his usual self when he played this year. He didn't seem limited by any of his injuries, or by his surgeries. Coming back from an ACL and MCL injury is different, though, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a year similar to what Heath Miller did this year: slow to start the year, then stronger towards the end of the season.

Gronk has missed 16 games between 2012 and 2013 combined and has been a shell of himself or not playing in the post season in 3 straight post seasons. Does that not qualify as his consistent availability being a bit of a question mark?

He has been injured. He got a HAS, broken forearm, ACL/MCL tear (back surgery). Those aren't injuries that you can play through. They are also not a recurring injury (save the double break of the forearm). Everyone in the NFL gets injured; you can't shy away from all of them.

We seem to be arguing over semantics. I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree with what I'm interpreting it to mean.

When Gronk can play, he plays. It's not a matter of sitting out b/c of a hammy, when he was expected to play. To me, that means his availability isn't in question. I'd rather have a guy who is in or out, without question over a guy who you never know if he'll be able to suit up or not.

Many people in the Pats' organization thought he was able to come back much sooner than he did. He sat out an additional 2-3 weeks when he was dominating practices.

I'd say he doesn't always play through the pain.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Rob Gronkowski will have surgery to reconstruct his ACL and MCL on Thursday with Dr. James Andrews.

This is more for bookkeeping purposes on our part. It'll be the eighth known surgery of 24-year-old Gronkowski's career. The Patriots tentatively expect him to be ready for the start of the 2014 season. The early reports have all been positive, but being that it's the Patriots we're unlikely to hear much more on Gronkowski before late-spring or early-summer.


Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Anyone know what the fact they waited more than a month to do the surgery suggests about the injury/recovery? Has to be something there given his likely race against the clock for 2014.

Actually, will fire something off to Dr. B and see what he says.

From his blog on 12/9...

It's not known how severe the MCL sprain may be and that report doesn't rule out any meniscus or cartilage damage that often accompanies multi-ligament knee injuries. The grade of the MCL sprain is important. A higher grade MCL injury sometimes results in a delay in repairing the ACL. Many surgeons like to make sure the surrounding muscles are in condition and can support immediate rehab after surgery. Though Gronk is young and in peak condition, it's possible that his surgery may be delayed. Such a delay could impact how quickly he's able to return next year.

IIRC several guys had MCLs this year and were out 3-4 weeks, so that's probably what it was.

 

[Anarchy99]

I remember hearing that with MCL injuries, they can normally mend on their own, so people put off the surgery. Also, even for ACLs they sometimes wait until the original swelling subsides as that makes the surgery go better.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Guess they like to see the MCL heal and tighen up before doing ACL surgery. Guess it helps with rehab afterwards.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Yeah... found that same idea on Dr. J's blog and ETA'd it into my post above.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Anyone know what the fact they waited more than a month to do the surgery suggests about the injury/recovery? Has to be something there given his likely race against the clock for 2014.

Actually, will fire something off to Dr. B and see what he says.

From his blog on 12/9...

It's not known how severe the MCL sprain may be and that report doesn't rule out any meniscus or cartilage damage that often accompanies multi-ligament knee injuries. The grade of the MCL sprain is important. A higher grade MCL injury sometimes results in a delay in repairing the ACL. Many surgeons like to make sure the surrounding muscles are in condition and can support immediate rehab after surgery. Though Gronk is young and in peak condition, it's possible that his surgery may be delayed. Such a delay could impact how quickly he's able to return next year.

IIRC several guys had MCLs this year and were out 3-4 weeks, so that's probably what it was.

I believe it's pretty normal for ACL surgeries to not occur until a while after the injury. You have to wait for the swelling to go down.

It's weird to see because usually the person can walk around fine after the injury. Then they have surgery and are suddenly on crutches....a month later.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Are people going to admit they were wrong about this yet?

 

[fruity pebbles]

Are people going to admit they were wrong about this yet?

wrong about what?

 

[KellysHeroes]

Are people going to admit they were wrong about this yet?

wrong about what?

guess not

 

[Faust]

VIDEO: Rob Gronkowski's rehab appears to be coming along well

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Rob Gronkowski (knee) is expected to begin a running program soon.
Gronkowski visited with Dr. James Andrews this week and remains on track with his rehab schedule. The fact that he hasn't had any setbacks is a good sign, but he remains a candidate to open training camp on the active/PUP list. Gronkowski should be considered highly questionable for Week 1.

Source: Albert Breer on Twitter

 

[cstu]

Rotoworld:

Rob Gronkowski (knee) is expected to begin a running program soon.
Gronkowski visited with Dr. James Andrews this week and remains on track with his rehab schedule. The fact that he hasn't had any setbacks is a good sign, but he remains a candidate to open training camp on the active/PUP list. Gronkowski should be considered highly questionable for Week 1.

Source: Albert Breer on Twitter

Not this again.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Rotoworld:

Rob Gronkowski (knee) is expected to begin a running program soon.
Gronkowski visited with Dr. James Andrews this week and remains on track with his rehab schedule. The fact that he hasn't had any setbacks is a good sign, but he remains a candidate to open training camp on the active/PUP list. Gronkowski should be considered highly questionable for Week 1.

Source: Albert Breer on Twitter

Not this again.

over/under on him playing 6 full games this yr

 

[Tool]

(KFFL) New England Patriots TE Rob Gronkowski (knee) met with Dr. James Andrews this week to have his to have his surgically repaired knee examined. Gronkowski was told that his recovery is right on schedule. Gronkowski will be able to start jogging in the near future.

 

[Faust]

Video Link:

Roster Reset: New England Patriots

02:26 – Albert Breer reports on the offseason moves made by the New England Patriots, the status of tight end Rob Gronkowski and the excitement surrounding the team's newest signings.

 

[Faust]

Rob Gronkowski progressing, will start jogging soonBy Dan Hanzus

Around the League Writer

Rob Gronkowski remains on the right track in his recovery from reconstructive knee surgery.

NFL Media's Albert Breer reported Friday on NFL Network's "NFL Total Access" that the New England Patriots tight end visited with famed orthopedist Dr. James Andrews this week and is "right where he should be." Gronkowski will start jogging soon.

This is good news for the Patriots, who were dealt a crushing blow last season when Gronkowski tore his ACL and MCL on a low hit during a Week 14 win over the Cleveland Browns. The knee injury came on the heels of a trying period for the tight end, who had already returned from back surgery and multiple procedures on his troublesome left forearm.

The latest update is positive, but the road to complete recovery remains long. Don't be surprised if Gronkowski starts next season the same way he started the last -- on the Patriots' physically unable to perform list.

In the latest edition of the "Around The League Podcast", the guys discuss "Draft Day," then break down who got better (and who got worse) in the AFC East.

 

[Casting Couch]

Get top dollar for him while you still can, Dynasty Folk.

 

[32 Counter Pass]

That is the plan, but his current value isn't at top dollar yet. Assuming Gronk is available week 1 he will hit top dollar sometime shortly thereafter.

What would is considered top dollar in a TE premium league?

 

[EBF]

That is the plan, but his current value isn't at top dollar yet. Assuming Gronk is available week 1 he will hit top dollar sometime shortly thereafter.

What would is considered top dollar in a TE premium league?

I paid Doug Martin and Dennis Pitta for Graham in a TE premium league a while back.

I don't know if that's above/below market value, but I think it would be in the ballpark.

I think you would have to give up an elite player at WR or RB and possibly another piece.

I think Gronk's market value is a little lower than Graham's though, so I wouldn't be surprised if people expected you to add something to him to get a Julio/Dez/McCoy kind of guy. Even in a TE premium format.

 

[Faust]

Report: Rob Gronkowski to 'take his time' coming backBy Marc Sessler

Around the League Writer

Famed orthopedist Dr. James Andrews says Rob Gronkowski is "right where he should be" in his recovery from reconstructive knee surgery.

Still, the New England Patriots tight end isn't about to rush his return from the torn ACL and MCL he suffered in a Week 14 win over the Cleveland Browns. Bleacher Report's Mike Freeman reported Wednesday that Gronkowski plans to "take his time and then take more time," according to a source close to the player.

Tom Brady's top target was methodical last season returning from back surgery and multiple procedures on his left forearm. Freeman was told Gronkowski is prepared to "take more time, and be more patient than ever before."

Can you blame him? Gronk's early career has been derailed by a laundry list of serious injuries, with back-to-back offseasons consumed by strenuous rehabs. On the field, he's one of history's premier playmakers at his position, but the Patriots can't count on his talents out of the gate come September.

Gronkowski is a strong candidate to open the year on the physically unable to perform list, while New England has emerged as a logical target to unearth new talent at tight end in next month's draft.

The latest edition of the "Around The League Podcast" covers the Aldon Smith arrest and analyzes the offseason movers and shakers in the NFC East and NFC South.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

This should be entertaining.

 

[LawFitz]

Pretty much exact same scenario as last season. Expect him to miss the first few weeks (4-8); then maybe be rusty a few games before regaining dominant or near-dominant form for the stretch run. Hopefully without a new injury this time!

Pros - On a PPG basis (i.e. playoff leagues), he'll likely be discounted too much once again, making him a relative value in redrafts.

Cons - You will have to burn a roster spot on him and deal with middling TE production the first half of the season.

 

[massraider]

This should be entertaining.

This thread might be ready for the FBG Thread Hall of Fame this time next year.

 

[Tool]

blows for us dynasty owners who rode it out last year and now have to do the same thing again this year.

 

[Anarchy99]

As I mentioned last year, some of this could be an extension of Gronk wanting a better contract. He is not getting paid all that much in the short term ($3.75 million salary this year) but is due a $10 million bonus in 2016 (when he would start making a lot more salary and bonuses). He could essentially have a two year deal from NE and not see the rest of his contract.

 

[Tool]

As I mentioned last year, some of this could be an extension of Gronk wanting a better contract. He is not getting paid all that much in the short term ($3.75 million salary this year) but is due a $10 million bonus in 2016 (when he would start making a lot more salary and bonuses). He could essentially have a two year deal from NE and not see the rest of his contract.

i think he has to play in games to get a better contract.

 

[cstu]

As I mentioned last year, some of this could be an extension of Gronk wanting a better contract. He is not getting paid all that much in the short term ($3.75 million salary this year) but is due a $10 million bonus in 2016 (when he would start making a lot more salary and bonuses). He could essentially have a two year deal from NE and not see the rest of his contract.

i think he has to play in games to get a better contract.

IMO Gronk knows he's out of NE after this year.

 

[KellysHeroes]

As I mentioned last year, some of this could be an extension of Gronk wanting a better contract. He is not getting paid all that much in the short term ($3.75 million salary this year) but is due a $10 million bonus in 2016 (when he would start making a lot more salary and bonuses). He could essentially have a two year deal from NE and not see the rest of his contract.

i think he has to play in games to get a better contract.

IMO Gronk knows he's out of NE after this year.

Both are good points; the player knows hes getting cut after this season so does he A) comeback early from injury and risk another season ending on IR or B) layback and take his time so hes healthy for an end of season push which will hurt his market.

I'm so glad I'm not on this rollercoster ride anymore... 1st hes ahead of schedule, now hes going to take his time. Just like last yr all over again and now you gotta worry about if hes going to be on the Pats after the season.

 

[Tool]

As I mentioned last year, some of this could be an extension of Gronk wanting a better contract. He is not getting paid all that much in the short term ($3.75 million salary this year) but is due a $10 million bonus in 2016 (when he would start making a lot more salary and bonuses). He could essentially have a two year deal from NE and not see the rest of his contract.

i think he has to play in games to get a better contract.

IMO Gronk knows he's out of NE after this year.

Can they re-do the contract?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Just like last yr all over again and now you gotta worry about if hes going to be on the Pats after the season.

Unlike his surgeries/injuries last year, this is just an ACL -- a well-known injury with increasingly excellent recoveries. And his recovery to date going well. So it's a totally different situation to last year IMO.

Regardless, I started Gronk in six games last year and he put up total VBD higher than all but the topmost tier of fantasy players. A half season from Gronk still puts him in the top 30-50 players (depending on scoring).

 

[cstu]

As I mentioned last year, some of this could be an extension of Gronk wanting a better contract. He is not getting paid all that much in the short term ($3.75 million salary this year) but is due a $10 million bonus in 2016 (when he would start making a lot more salary and bonuses). He could essentially have a two year deal from NE and not see the rest of his contract.

i think he has to play in games to get a better contract.

IMO Gronk knows he's out of NE after this year.

Can they re-do the contract?

Sure, if it's in Gronk's best interest. However, he strikes me as a guy who'd be happy to leave NE for somewhere warm. Some team like the Dolphins would throw a ton of money at him.

 

[cstu]

It wouldn't take much for Gronk to go from elite to merely very good. His massive value is based on those extra 6 PPG he had over the TE3 in 2011. If he starts averaging 13-14 PPG instead of 20 PPG then he's just another good TE.

Going to 13-14 PPG from 20 PPG is a 6-7 point drop. That's what would happen if he didnt' score a single TD. I guess if that were to happen he'd be just another TE. But he's the best redzone threat in the NFL on a team who scores as many TDs as anyone. I don't know why we would project that.

If he leaves the Patriots next year what do you think he puts up?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

As I mentioned last year, some of this could be an extension of Gronk wanting a better contract. He is not getting paid all that much in the short term ($3.75 million salary this year) but is due a $10 million bonus in 2016 (when he would start making a lot more salary and bonuses). He could essentially have a two year deal from NE and not see the rest of his contract.

i think he has to play in games to get a better contract.

IMO Gronk knows he's out of NE after this year.

Can they re-do the contract?

Sure, if it's in Gronk's best interest. However, he strikes me as a guy who'd be happy to leave NE for somewhere warm. Some team like the Dolphins would throw a ton of money at him.

As a Pats fan, I'm resigned to know that Gronk will be shipping out of here soon. BB isn't going to pay him and Gronk is going to demand lots of money from nearly any team. He gets hurt, but he's a massive difference maker.

 

[cstu]

Just to give a trade that just happened 12 team dynasty 1 PPR Team A gave(league champ): Gronk Team B gave(runner up): Kaepernick, A. Jeffery, VD, Eifert

This is even after Crabtree's injury? That's a huge haul for Gronk either way.

Just traded for Gronk. Now might be the only time you can land him at a semi discounted price. Traded Michael Crabtree (post injury), Jared Cook, Alshon Jeffery, and Rookie Pick 12 for Gronk. I am happy!

Still happy?