Teams Tanking (1 Viewer)

[Wrigley]

12 team keeper league

As is stands right now, our league drafts each year in a serpentine fashion. The bottom 3 teams are thrown into a hat, with the winner getting the first pick

We are starting to run into a problem with teams trying to tank to get into the bottom 3. Ironically, the 3 team lottery was put in place to stop owners from trying to do this very thing.

How does your league handle this type of problem?

I've suggested we run an NBA style draft, with each team(outside of the top 3) getting a shot at winning the first pick, with lower level teams getting more chances in the hat.

Any ideas? We've got teams tanking and dumping before the ASG(this is getting really old, really fast).

 

[Bud Kilmer]

I'm in a 14-team league that has a 3-week playoff. The top 2 seeds get a bye with 3v6 and 4v5 playing in the first week. The bottom 8 teams play in a playoff style week by week format with the winner getting the 1st pick in teh draft then re-seeding by record after that.

 

[Wrigley]

I'm in a 14-team league that has a 3-week playoff. The top 2 seeds get a bye with 3v6 and 4v5 playing in the first week. The bottom 8 teams play in a playoff style week by week format with the winner getting the 1st pick in teh draft then re-seeding by record after that.

We play roto

 

[Bud Kilmer]

I'm in a 14-team league that has a 3-week playoff. The top 2 seeds get a bye with 3v6 and 4v5 playing in the first week. The bottom 8 teams play in a playoff style week by week format with the winner getting the 1st pick in teh draft then re-seeding by record after that.

We play roto

Then my idea makes no sense. :(

 

[John Bender]

Best 2nd half/post all star break record gets 25 percent league dues discount.

Worst 2nd half record pays that 25% extra fee.

You could relate this to roto somehow, no?

 

[Wrigley]

I'm in a 14-team league that has a 3-week playoff. The top 2 seeds get a bye with 3v6 and 4v5 playing in the first week. The bottom 8 teams play in a playoff style week by week format with the winner getting the 1st pick in teh draft then re-seeding by record after that.

We play roto

Then my idea makes no sense. :(

Sorry Bud,I should have been more clear. Our roto style league doesn't have any playoffs

 

[Wrigley]

Best 2nd half/post all star break record gets 25 percent league dues discount. Worst 2nd half record pays that 25% extra fee. You could relate this to roto somehow, no?

Maybe, I just don't see how that would stop teams from tanking on purpose.

 

[John Bender]

Best 2nd half/post all star break record gets 25 percent league dues discount. Worst 2nd half record pays that 25% extra fee. You could relate this to roto somehow, no?

Make it most points gained vs. Most points lost perhaps post all star break?

 

[John Bender]

Or....

We use same keeper system as you

Most points netted post all star break gets 1 extra keeper dollar

most points lost loses 1 keeper dollar.

 

[Wrigley]

Or....We use same keeper system as youMost points netted post all star break gets 1 extra keeper dollarmost points lost loses 1 keeper dollar.

Wow, I like thisDidn't you say you only get to spend $16?

 

[John Bender]

Yup. We do 15 actually. I know you guys do 18 but I really wanted to limit the number of keepers as I'm not a fan of keeper leagues. We may increase the amount at a later date as we are adding a CI and MI position.

It would be easy for you to keep track of tho. Just write down everyones points during the all star break and compare their progress at seasons end.

To even further try to dissuade folks from tankin you could, instead of using the all star break, do it with 4 weeks to go left in the season. The last month only. You would think everyone would try to stay competitive that last month. That's typically when you see the most of the apathy hit moreso than the all star break.

 

[Wrigley]

Yup. We do 15 actually. I know you guys do 18 but I really wanted to limit the number of keepers as I'm not a fan of keeper leagues. We may increase the amount at a later date as we are adding a CI and MI position. It would be easy for you to keep track of tho. Just write down everyones points during the all star break and compare their progress at seasons end. To even further try to dissuade folks from tankin you could, instead of using the all star break, do it with 4 weeks to go left in the season. The last month only. You would think everyone would try to stay competitive that last month. That's typically when you see the most of the apathy hit moreso than the all star break.

Our winter meeting is this ThursdayThis will be brought up, thanks gb

 

[John Bender]

Yup. We do 15 actually. I know you guys do 18 but I really wanted to limit the number of keepers as I'm not a fan of keeper leagues. We may increase the amount at a later date as we are adding a CI and MI position. It would be easy for you to keep track of tho. Just write down everyones points during the all star break and compare their progress at seasons end. To even further try to dissuade folks from tankin you could, instead of using the all star break, do it with 4 weeks to go left in the season. The last month only. You would think everyone would try to stay competitive that last month. That's typically when you see the most of the apathy hit moreso than the all star break.

Our winter meeting is this ThursdayThis will be brought up, thanks gb

You got it brutha.

 

[boom king]

i think wrigley is confusing tanking with upgrading keepers

 

[Wrigley]

i think wrigley is confusing tanking with upgrading keepers

Oh yes! Please tell me how I'm confused?

 

[boom king]

i think wrigley is confusing tanking with upgrading keepers

Oh yes! Please tell me how I'm confused?

im assuming the teams that are at the bottom, upgraded their keepers as well?

 

[harryhood]

From our constitution:

Draft order

This seasons draft order will be determined randomly. The Minor League draft order will be in reverse order of the Major League draft. In subsequent years, the Draft Order will determined by a lottery system similar to the NBA on www.draftpicklottery.com. Details are listed below.

1st Place: 7 balls (0.7% chance of 1st pick)

2nd Place: 8 balls (0.8% chance of 1st pick)

3rd Place: 10 balls (1% chance of 1st pick)

4th Place: 17 balls (1.7% chance of 1st pick)

5th Place: 28 balls (2.8% chance of 1st pick)

6th Place: 43 balls (4.3% chance of 1st pick)

7th Place: 67 balls (6.7% chance of 1st pick)

8th Place: 90 balls (9% chance of 1st pick)

9th Place: 123 balls (12.3% chance of 1st pick)

10th Place: 158 balls (15.8% chance of 1st pick)

11th Place: 199 balls (19.9% chance of 1st pick)

12th Place: 250 balls (25% chance of 1st pick)

*For playoff teams the place in which you finish will determine your probability for next season’s draft.

Example-If you are the number 1 seed and lose in the first round and then again in the 3rd place game you finish in 4th place.

*If two non-playoff teams finish tied at the end of the regular season, total points scored for the season will break the tie.

 

[Wrigley]

i think wrigley is confusing tanking with upgrading keepers

Oh yes! Please tell me how I'm confused?

im assuming the teams that are at the bottom, upgraded their keepers as well?

Maybe, maybe not........although the two teams that dumped the most last year ended up finishing 11th and 12th(weird) Both are guaranteed at the very least the 2nd and 3rd pick. Would you have dumped as heavily last year if you weren't guaranteed an early pick?I'm trying to make it better for everyone, including you.

 

[Wrigley]

From our constitutionraft orderThis seasons draft order will be determined randomly. The Minor League draft order will be in reverse order of the Major League draft. In subsequent years, the Draft Order will determined by a lottery system similar to the NBA on www.draftpicklottery.com. Details are listed below.1st Place: 7 balls (0.7% chance of 1st pick)2nd Place: 8 balls (0.8% chance of 1st pick)3rd Place: 10 balls (1% chance of 1st pick)4th Place: 17 balls (1.7% chance of 1st pick)5th Place: 28 balls (2.8% chance of 1st pick)6th Place: 43 balls (4.3% chance of 1st pick)7th Place: 67 balls (6.7% chance of 1st pick)8th Place: 90 balls (9% chance of 1st pick)9th Place: 123 balls (12.3% chance of 1st pick)10th Place: 158 balls (15.8% chance of 1st pick)11th Place: 199 balls (19.9% chance of 1st pick)12th Place: 250 balls (25% chance of 1st pick)*For playoff teams the place in which you finish will determine your probability for next season’s draft.Example-If you are the number 1 seed and lose in the first round and then again in the 3rd place game you finish in 4th place.*If two non-playoff teams finish tied at the end of the regular season, total points scored for the season will break the tie.

I really like this

 

[harryhood]

From our constitutionraft orderThis seasons draft order will be determined randomly. The Minor League draft order will be in reverse order of the Major League draft. In subsequent years, the Draft Order will determined by a lottery system similar to the NBA on www.draftpicklottery.com. Details are listed below.1st Place: 7 balls (0.7% chance of 1st pick)2nd Place: 8 balls (0.8% chance of 1st pick)3rd Place: 10 balls (1% chance of 1st pick)4th Place: 17 balls (1.7% chance of 1st pick)5th Place: 28 balls (2.8% chance of 1st pick)6th Place: 43 balls (4.3% chance of 1st pick)7th Place: 67 balls (6.7% chance of 1st pick)8th Place: 90 balls (9% chance of 1st pick)9th Place: 123 balls (12.3% chance of 1st pick)10th Place: 158 balls (15.8% chance of 1st pick)11th Place: 199 balls (19.9% chance of 1st pick)12th Place: 250 balls (25% chance of 1st pick)*For playoff teams the place in which you finish will determine your probability for next season’s draft.Example-If you are the number 1 seed and lose in the first round and then again in the 3rd place game you finish in 4th place.*If two non-playoff teams finish tied at the end of the regular season, total points scored for the season will break the tie.

I really like this

This is our 2nd year using this. Last year it worked out pretty well and the commish said it was pretty easy to set up.

 

[Wrigley]

From our constitutionraft orderThis seasons draft order will be determined randomly. The Minor League draft order will be in reverse order of the Major League draft. In subsequent years, the Draft Order will determined by a lottery system similar to the NBA on www.draftpicklottery.com. Details are listed below.1st Place: 7 balls (0.7% chance of 1st pick)2nd Place: 8 balls (0.8% chance of 1st pick)3rd Place: 10 balls (1% chance of 1st pick)4th Place: 17 balls (1.7% chance of 1st pick)5th Place: 28 balls (2.8% chance of 1st pick)6th Place: 43 balls (4.3% chance of 1st pick)7th Place: 67 balls (6.7% chance of 1st pick)8th Place: 90 balls (9% chance of 1st pick)9th Place: 123 balls (12.3% chance of 1st pick)10th Place: 158 balls (15.8% chance of 1st pick)11th Place: 199 balls (19.9% chance of 1st pick)12th Place: 250 balls (25% chance of 1st pick)*For playoff teams the place in which you finish will determine your probability for next season’s draft.Example-If you are the number 1 seed and lose in the first round and then again in the 3rd place game you finish in 4th place.*If two non-playoff teams finish tied at the end of the regular season, total points scored for the season will break the tie.

I really like this

This is our 2nd year using this. Last year it worked out pretty well and the commish said it was pretty easy to set up.

I checked the site out. Pretty easy is an understatement thanks

 

[boom king]

i think wrigley is confusing tanking with upgrading keepers

Oh yes! Please tell me how I'm confused?

im assuming the teams that are at the bottom, upgraded their keepers as well?

Maybe, maybe not........although the two teams that dumped the most last year ended up finishing 11th and 12th(weird) Both are guaranteed at the very least the 2nd and 3rd pick. Would you have dumped as heavily last year if you weren't guaranteed an early pick?I'm trying to make it better for everyone, including you.

would i have tried to improve my keepers knowing that i had no chance at competing that year? absolutely. i dont see what happened in our league as being bad. most teams that were out of it were very active towards the end. nobody just "dumped" for a better draft posistion.

 

[Wrigley]

i think wrigley is confusing tanking with upgrading keepers

Oh yes! Please tell me how I'm confused?

im assuming the teams that are at the bottom, upgraded their keepers as well?

Maybe, maybe not........although the two teams that dumped the most last year ended up finishing 11th and 12th(weird) Both are guaranteed at the very least the 2nd and 3rd pick. Would you have dumped as heavily last year if you weren't guaranteed an early pick?

I'm trying to make it better for everyone, including you.

would i have tried to improve my keepers knowing that i had no chance at competing that year? absolutely. i dont see what happened in our league as being bad. most teams that were out of it were very active towards the end. nobody just "dumped" for a better draft posistion.

Tanking in general is counter productive to the league. I've got no problem with dump trades that improve your keepers. The problem is when owners tank in an attempt at bettering their draft position.......and this is what my original post was about.

Lets look at games played last year

1711

1586

Looks like one of these teams wasn't as active as the other.......hint, it was the team that ended up in last place

No league is perfect, I'm just trying to tweak things a little, so everyone can enjoy the game a little more. All the while keeping owners interested in participating.

We have our meeting on Thursday.........all of this will be discussed

 

[dparker713]

Do an auction draft. Keepers are cost n + 5. Means you'd get some dump trades at the deadline, but there is no incentive to dumping for a draft pick.

 

[Wizards of Oz]

I'm guessing your league is for a little bit of $ right? Maybe I'm missing something but as long as everyone is putting their money up, I think they should be able to manage their teams how they see fit...if it means tanking or dump trades in a keeper than so be it. If someone wants to waste their entry fee by tanking, I say thank you very much, better odds that my team would win.

 

[Wrigley]

I'm guessing your league is for a little bit of $ right? Maybe I'm missing something but as long as everyone is putting their money up, I think they should be able to manage their teams how they see fit...if it means tanking or dump trades in a keeper than so be it. If someone wants to waste their entry fee by tanking, I say thank you very much, better odds that my team would win.

That makes sense.I'll tell that to the guy who finished in 4th place, out of the $$$, because said tanking team didn't participate.

 

[boom king]

how about this? have a minimum games played per position...

 

[Wrigley]

how about this? have a minimum games played per position...

And if they don't reach the minimum?

 

[boom king]

how about this? have a minimum games played per position...

And if they don't reach the minimum?

$1 per game under

 

[Wrigley]

how about this? have a minimum games played per position...

And if they don't reach the minimum?

$1 per game under

It's hard enough to collect the sign up fee's.........now you want me to collect post monies. ughh

 

[rodg12]

Switch to an auction. Draft is about 50x more enjoyable and you won't have to worry about any tanking nonsense. Sure there will be trades at the deadline where studs go for keepers, but hey, that's baseball.

 

[Wrigley]

Looks like the league is going to vote in the NBA style draft

Is it out of the question to hold this style draft THIS year?

No keepers have been turned in yet, and our draft is still a month away.

What says the FFA?

:waitingforBoom:

The tanking owners claim that we should put this on hold until next year, because they went into the end of the season knowing they would have a top 3 pick......of course they tanked to get there.

 

[Oh Yes!]

Looks like the league is going to vote in the NBA style draftIs it out of the question to hold this style draft THIS year?No keepers have been turned in yet, and our draft is still a month away.What says the FFA?:waitingforBoom:The tanking owners claim that we should put this on hold until next year, because they went into the end of the season knowing they would have a top 3 pick......of course they tanked to get there.

decisions were made (trades, etc) last year, with the assumption that the draft rules were not going to change.

 

[Wrigley]

Looks like the league is going to vote in the NBA style draftIs it out of the question to hold this style draft THIS year?No keepers have been turned in yet, and our draft is still a month away.What says the FFA?:waitingforBoom:The tanking owners claim that we should put this on hold until next year, because they went into the end of the season knowing they would have a top 3 pick......of course they tanked to get there.

decisions were made (trades, etc) last year, with the assumption that the draft rules were not going to change.

Just so I get this right, you wouldn't have traded to get the keepers you have now, because you wouldn't be guarenteed a top 3 pick?That is just laughable

 

[Oh Yes!]

Looks like the league is going to vote in the NBA style draftIs it out of the question to hold this style draft THIS year?No keepers have been turned in yet, and our draft is still a month away.What says the FFA?:waitingforBoom:The tanking owners claim that we should put this on hold until next year, because they went into the end of the season knowing they would have a top 3 pick......of course they tanked to get there.

decisions were made (trades, etc) last year, with the assumption that the draft rules were not going to change.

Just so I get this right, you wouldn't have traded to get the keepers you have now, because you wouldn't be guarenteed a top 3 pick?That is just laughable

tried my hardest to accumulate studs last year, more than i ever have before. instead of keeping 7-8 guys. a different keeper strategy for me. was under the impression i would be guaranteed another one, mainly because those were the rules we had in place.

 

[Oh Yes!]

Looks like the league is going to vote in the NBA style draftIs it out of the question to hold this style draft THIS year?No keepers have been turned in yet, and our draft is still a month away.What says the FFA?:waitingforBoom:The tanking owners claim that we should put this on hold until next year, because they went into the end of the season knowing they would have a top 3 pick......of course they tanked to get there.

of course all the other owners want to change the rules for this draft because it increases their odds of moving up in the draft. a nice bonus for them.

 

[dparker713]

Looks like the league is going to vote in the NBA style draftIs it out of the question to hold this style draft THIS year?No keepers have been turned in yet, and our draft is still a month away.What says the FFA?:waitingforBoom:The tanking owners claim that we should put this on hold until next year, because they went into the end of the season knowing they would have a top 3 pick......of course they tanked to get there.

decisions were made (trades, etc) last year, with the assumption that the draft rules were not going to change.

Just so I get this right, you wouldn't have traded to get the keepers you have now, because you wouldn't be guarenteed a top 3 pick?That is just laughable

tried my hardest to accumulate studs last year, more than i ever have before. instead of keeping 7-8 guys. a different keeper strategy for me. was under the impression i would be guaranteed another one, mainly because those were the rules we had in place.

All rules should be subject to change each offseason. Depending on the keeper system, you could point to choices made 3,4 ,5 years before hand that were made because of the system in place. Any change in rules is always going to disturb some plans, best to get it over with immediately.