Tebow not an Elway kind of guy (1 Viewer)

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Multiple sources tell SI.com's Tony Pauline that the Broncos will likely draft a quarterback in the first couple of rounds of this year's draft.

According to the same sources, Tim Tebow is "not the quarterback for John Elway," making the position a priority heading into the draft. Enough anti-Tebow buzz is coming out of Denver that Elway either truly lacks faith in Josh McDaniels' hand-picked QB, or else he wants the teams picking behind him to believe it. Pauline suggests Nevada's Colin Kaepernick at the top of round two as the most likely Elway selection.

http://www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nfl/202520/report-tebow-is-not-the-qb-for-john-elway

 

[eaglesfan7]

Smokescreen

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

The Broncos also have Orton and Quinn. Their Q.B.ing is not all world, but it is not in the top three of the problems with this team right now. If they draft anybody under 300 lbs in the first three rounds it had better be the second coming of Rod Woodson.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Smokescreen

Well, maybe, but Tebow doesn't exude confidence.

 

[eaglesfan7]

Smokescreen

Well, maybe, but Tebow doesn't exude confidence.

I agree but the Broncos have much more pressing needs and should consider a qb in the later rounds.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Smokescreen

Well, maybe, but Tebow doesn't exude confidence.

I agree but the Broncos have much more pressing needs and should consider a qb in the later rounds.

What kind of QB would they get in the "later rounds"? Not that there's a whole lot this year in the early rounds. Kaepernick would be a fine choice in the 2nd round.

 

[eaglesfan7]

Smokescreen

Well, maybe, but Tebow doesn't exude confidence.

I agree but the Broncos have much more pressing needs and should consider a qb in the later rounds.

What kind of QB would they get in the "later rounds"? Not that there's a whole lot this year in the early rounds. Kaepernick would be a fine choice in the 2nd round.

Christian Ponder? Maybe Jake Locker in the second. It would be a good move to grab Kaepernick if he slips as well. Maybe I shouldn't have said later rounds. Grabbing a qb in the 2nd or 3rd round isn't "later rounds" I guess.

 

[Concept Coop]

Tebow isn't, but Kaepernick is? Hug.

 

[eaglesfan7]

Andy Dalton or T.J. Yates in the third or 4th aren't bad choices either.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Smokescreen

Well, maybe, but Tebow doesn't exude confidence.

I agree but the Broncos have much more pressing needs and should consider a qb in the later rounds.

What kind of QB would they get in the "later rounds"? Not that there's a whole lot this year in the early rounds. Kaepernick would be a fine choice in the 2nd round.

Christian Ponder? Maybe Jake Locker in the second. It would be a good move to grab Kaepernick if he slips as well. Maybe I shouldn't have said later rounds. Grabbing a qb in the 2nd or 3rd round isn't "later rounds" I guess.

None of those guys will be available on the later rounds. Personally I believe Orton is just fine until there's actually a draft with a franchise QB. I don't think the QBs in this draft are franchise QBs, but I do like Kaepernick in the 2nd. No way would I waste a 1st rd pick on this year's QBs.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Tebow isn't, but Kaepernick is? Hug.

That's correct, Tebow isn't.

 

[menobrown]

Elway is jealous of Tebowmania

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Elway is jealous of Tebowmania

I would sign Bert Jones (in his 50s) over Tebow.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

This simply isn't true.

Kaepernick and Tebow have very similar skill sets (weird throwing motion, spread/pistol offense, arm strength, athleticism) but Kaepernick lacks a championship and heisman resume. Both are extremely devout Christians, and both have good leadership skills. Tebow has a better burst running the ball, but Kaepernick has better elusiveness (Tebow likes to bull over people). Kaepernick's stock is just too high at the top of the 2nd, I see him sliding in the draft like Colt McCoy did last year.

this whole 'interest in other QBs' is a ruse. The team would like to trade for more draft picks (they're missing a 4th rounder because of the Maroney deal). Trading Orton (when possible) would also take a hit if they came right out and said 'Tebow's the starter.' Between the Combine and the Draft it's difficult to believe much of what you hear or read.

Tebow has a ton of support at Dove Valley. As Officer Barbrady would say, 'nothing to see here people!'

That being said, the Broncos could take a QB late in the draft because Brady Quinn may not stick around on the roster.

 

[Cassius]

Smells like BS to me. A quarterback will not be the best player in the draft at Denver's pick, and QB is not a pressing need. Orton is not why they lost games last year, a horrible defense is.

Sure, grab a developmental guy in the later rounds in case Tebow doesn't work out and Orton, but no chance the Broncos grab a QB at #2. They want to bait one of the other teams in the top ten who need a QB to move up.

 

[BusMan]

I'm surprisingly pleased with the way Elway is running the show in Denver. I used to think his business chops (car dealerships, etc.) were primarily based on his name recognition. After the first quarter of his work in the Denver front office its clear he has some savvy. I still think it was a big risk for Bowlen to hand the keys over to Elway, but those risks are mitigated by both long-reaching fan-base goodwill and the impressive decision making thus far. Fox was a great hire. Keeping Xanders was probably the correct move for continuity/experience. And Joe Ellis seems like he handles the non-football side of things well.

OK, preface over. I would be shocked and dismayed if the Broncos actually draft a QB in the first three rounds. They have so many glaring needs at other positions that it really makes no sense to take a passer early. Tebow/Orton/Quinn are totally passable as a unit. The new regime needs to steady the franchise before rocking the boat. That why I'm firmly in the smokescreen camp. Denver has high demand trade-able assets right now: a premium first round pick and Kyle Orton (definitely one of the top 32 QBs in the league---probably top 16). To keep as much value in those assets as possible, and in order to maximize any potential return on them, is the correct play. Hence, the very well executed smoke screen. So well executed, in fact, that I'm not 100% certain it actually is a smoke screen.

Which is where fandom enters the equation. I'm a fan so I have faith in the new leadership in Denver, until such time comes when I have my faith disproved. With Elway my boyhood idol, he'll have an excess of goodwill coming his way before I turn my back. That goodwill would significantly shrink, though, if a QB is drafted in the first three rounds without a position-redefining trade occuring beforehand/simultaneously.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

This simply isn't true. Kaepernick and Tebow have very similar skill sets (weird throwing motion, spread/pistol offense, arm strength, athleticism) but Kaepernick lacks a championship and heisman resume. Both are extremely devout Christians, and both have good leadership skills. Tebow has a better burst running the ball, but Kaepernick has better elusiveness (Tebow likes to bull over people). Kaepernick's stock is just too high at the top of the 2nd, I see him sliding in the draft like Colt McCoy did last year. this whole 'interest in other QBs' is a ruse. The team would like to trade for more draft picks (they're missing a 4th rounder because of the Maroney deal). Trading Orton (when possible) would also take a hit if they came right out and said 'Tebow's the starter.' Between the Combine and the Draft it's difficult to believe much of what you hear or read. Tebow has a ton of support at Dove Valley. As Officer Barbrady would say, 'nothing to see here people!'That being said, the Broncos could take a QB late in the draft because Brady Quinn may not stick around on the roster.

So, you really think Elway wants Tebow as his QB? I don't believe that for a second. I have no problem going along with what you're saying about Kaepernick vs Tebow, but if I'm reading between the lines of what you're saying when you mention possible Orton trade bait and the love Tebow has at Dove Valley, I have to conclude you're a Tebow kind of guy.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Smokescreen

I have to agree. At this point whether he believes in Tebow or not the team cannot spend high draft picks on QBs two consecutive years, especially when they have a decent veteran on the roster as well. Also, in a draft where all the top QB prospects are "flawed", it would make the decision even more curious.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Orton. Tebow. Quinn.

Yeah, the Broncos clearly don't need a QB.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Smokescreen

I have to agree. At this point whether he believes in Tebow or not the team cannot spend high draft picks on QBs two consecutive years, especially when they have a decent veteran on the roster as well. Also, in a draft where all the top QB prospects are "flawed", it would make the decision even more curious.

Yes they can if the guy they took the first year isn't any good and the guy they're drafting they perceive to be better.NFL teams aren't in the mode of being "good enough". So it doesn't matter if Orton or Tebow are good enough. If the guy that they draft makes them better then it's a good pick.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Smokescreen

I have to agree. At this point whether he believes in Tebow or not the team cannot spend high draft picks on QBs two consecutive years, especially when they have a decent veteran on the roster as well. Also, in a draft where all the top QB prospects are "flawed", it would make the decision even more curious.

Yes they can if the guy they took the first year isn't any good and the guy they're drafting they perceive to be better.NFL teams aren't in the mode of being "good enough". So it doesn't matter if Orton or Tebow are good enough. If the guy that they draft makes them better then it's a good pick.

The money spent and the high pick are both resources that are vital to team building. To tie up the money and to forgo adding an impact player at an area of need is unwise imo.I wasn't very high on Tebow's chances coming out but I do have to admit that he performed unexepectedly well given the circumstances as a rookie. I think they need to see what they have first before using up valuable resources. I also don't see any "can't miss" QBs in this draft (but admit that Elway and the Bronco's talent evaluators are moe quailified to determine that.

I understan what you are saying in theory, I just don't think it applies here and I think this is typoiical pre-draft bluffing.

 

[Sabertooth]

I love when teams start to prioritize one position or another. It means they may reach for picks, and better picks will fall to guys like Ted Thompson.

 

[menobrown]

Tebow has a ton of support at Dove Valley

The owner and OC are in his corner. Not sure after that. I think you are giving Elway way to much credit here. Personally I think his actions are odd.Most teams try to nuture a young QB they view as their franchise QB not consistently come out every chance you get to express that you don't think you have your guy at that position. That's the way you treat a player when you want nothing to do with him. I don't see what the Broncos have to gain by creating a smokescreen. Drive up Ortons value? Two problems with that in #1 he might not even be able to be traded before the draft and problem #2 I'm not certain how saying you are not sure you have your franchise QB on the roster builds up Ortons trade value when he's one of the QB's on the roster.Even if Elway thinks Tebow is just flat out horrible I don't understand his methods here. Keep those thoughts internal. Difficult to see the advantage here of continuing to publicly not back a player the fans are going crazy over. Maybe that's it and Elway is a genuis after all. Maybe he's trying to keep the fan base in check.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

The money spent and the high pick are both resources that are vital to team building. To tie up the money and to forgo adding an impact player at an area of need is unwise imo.I wasn't very high on Tebow's chances coming out but I do have to admit that he performed unexepectedly well given the circumstances as a rookie. I think they need to see what they have first before using up valuable resources. I also don't see any "can't miss" QBs in this draft (but admit that Elway and the Bronco's talent evaluators are moe quailified to determine that.I understan what you are saying in theory, I just don't think it applies here and I think this is typoiical pre-draft bluffing.

Tebow's contract was 5/$9.7125 million. That's not anywhere near an amount of money they couldn't eat in order to make the team better. The amount of Tebow's contract is not a valid reason to say they won't take a qb.

 

[BusMan]

Tebow has a ton of support at Dove Valley

The owner and OC are in his corner. Not sure after that. I think you are giving Elway way to much credit here. Personally I think his actions are odd.Most teams try to nuture a young QB they view as their franchise QB not consistently come out every chance you get to express that you don't think you have your guy at that position. That's the way you treat a player when you want nothing to do with him.

I don't see what the Broncos have to gain by creating a smokescreen. Drive up Ortons value? Two problems with that in #1 he might not even be able to be traded before the draft and problem #2 I'm not certain how saying you are not sure you have your franchise QB on the roster builds up Ortons trade value when he's one of the QB's on the roster.

Even if Elway thinks Tebow is just flat out horrible I don't understand his methods here. Keep those thoughts internal. Difficult to see the advantage here of continuing to publicly not back a player the fans are going crazy over. Maybe that's it and Elway is a genuis after all. Maybe he's trying to keep the fan base in check.

I'm not certain how much Elway has publicly said that undermines Tebow. I didn't do an exhaustive search, but the only definitive statement I found is here:

"We're always looking for that guy," Elway said, when asked specifically about the so-called "franchise quarterback of the future." "We may already have the guy who can pull the trigger and win us a championship someday. We may have him. We don't know. We believe in Tim but he's not there yet."

The smokescreen is working.

 

[shader]

I thought Tebow did pretty well last year. Still surprised so many still continue to doubt him. If the Broncos don't like him, I sure wish the Titans would trade for him. I'd love to have him in Tennessee.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Orton is due 9 million this year and as much as they would love to keep him around I think he will be dealt....then they may bring in a vet to compete in training camp for the #2 job with Quinn....Orton's value can't get much higher than it is right now with a couple handful of teams needing a QB....there will be some teams in need of a QB that will be left on the outside looking in after the draft .....Denver will get some solid offers for Orton...

 

[Concept Coop]

I'm surprisingly pleased with the way Elway is running the show in Denver. I used to think his business chops (car dealerships, etc.) were primarily based on his name recognition. After the first quarter of his work in the Denver front office its clear he has some savvy. I still think it was a big risk for Bowlen to hand the keys over to Elway, but those risks are mitigated by both long-reaching fan-base goodwill and the impressive decision making thus far. Fox was a great hire. Keeping Xanders was probably the correct move for continuity/experience. And Joe Ellis seems like he handles the non-football side of things well.

OK, preface over. I would be shocked and dismayed if the Broncos actually draft a QB in the first three rounds. They have so many glaring needs at other positions that it really makes no sense to take a passer early. Tebow/Orton/Quinn are totally passable as a unit. The new regime needs to steady the franchise before rocking the boat. That why I'm firmly in the smokescreen camp. Denver has high demand trade-able assets right now: a premium first round pick and Kyle Orton (definitely one of the top 32 QBs in the league---probably top 16). To keep as much value in those assets as possible, and in order to maximize any potential return on them, is the correct play. Hence, the very well executed smoke screen. So well executed, in fact, that I'm not 100% certain it actually is a smoke screen.

Which is where fandom enters the equation. I'm a fan so I have faith in the new leadership in Denver, until such time comes when I have my faith disproved. With Elway my boyhood idol, he'll have an excess of goodwill coming his way before I turn my back. That goodwill would significantly shrink, though, if a QB is drafted in the first three rounds without a position-redefining trade occuring beforehand/simultaneously.

I think the Broncos are going to regret handing the keys over to the guy, honestly. I think Fox was a good hire, but it was a safe hire and I don't how much credit needs to go to Elway. Like you said, there is going to be a lot of pressure on the ownership to make this work. They don't want to be the guys to fire John Elway. I respect the front office guys that keep their mouth shut and I think Elway clearly likes the attention. He has been quoted a lot about Tebow before having even worked with the guy. The biggest smokescreen is keeping your cards to your chest.

First, they won't hire anyone that doesn't think Tebow is the guy. Next, they are shopping Orton. Then, Orton is the starter. Later, Tebow has support and is the future. And now, they might be taking a QB in the first round. I don't see any logic here.

 

[Concept Coop]

Smokescreen

Well, maybe, but Tebow doesn't exude confidence.

Have you watched him play, ever? Including the NFL?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Smokescreen

Well, maybe, but Tebow doesn't exude confidence.

Have you watched him play, ever? Including the NFL?

I'm pretty sure the word Hoss is looking for is "elicit".Tebow exudes confidence but does not elicit it.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Smokescreen

Well, maybe, but Tebow doesn't exude confidence.

Have you watched him play, ever? Including the NFL?

I'm pretty sure the word Hoss is looking for is "elicit".Tebow exudes confidence but does not elicit it.

Yes, Tebow exudes confidence to Tebow, but not to Elway in Tebow. Hope that clears that up.

 

[menobrown]

Tebow has a ton of support at Dove Valley

The owner and OC are in his corner. Not sure after that. I think you are giving Elway way to much credit here. Personally I think his actions are odd.Most teams try to nuture a young QB they view as their franchise QB not consistently come out every chance you get to express that you don't think you have your guy at that position. That's the way you treat a player when you want nothing to do with him.

I don't see what the Broncos have to gain by creating a smokescreen. Drive up Ortons value? Two problems with that in #1 he might not even be able to be traded before the draft and problem #2 I'm not certain how saying you are not sure you have your franchise QB on the roster builds up Ortons trade value when he's one of the QB's on the roster.

Even if Elway thinks Tebow is just flat out horrible I don't understand his methods here. Keep those thoughts internal. Difficult to see the advantage here of continuing to publicly not back a player the fans are going crazy over. Maybe that's it and Elway is a genuis after all. Maybe he's trying to keep the fan base in check.

I'm not certain how much Elway has publicly said that undermines Tebow. I didn't do an exhaustive search, but the only definitive statement I found is here:

"We're always looking for that guy," Elway said, when asked specifically about the so-called "franchise quarterback of the future." "We may already have the guy who can pull the trigger and win us a championship someday. We may have him. We don't know. We believe in Tim but he's not there yet."

The smokescreen is working.

I don't recall using the word undermine but here are his less than pleasing public comments on Tebow that I"m aware off.

“I don’t think Tim Tebow is a good NFL quarterback at this time,” Elway told Peter King of NBC and Sports Illustrated.

“Tim came in and started the last three games and played well but was also very raw,” Elway said on Mile High Sports Radio in Denver

If we sit here right now Kyle would be the starter,” Elway said.

"Obviously if there's a guy there that's a franchise guy there, we definitely have to look at it because we're not sure we have a franchise guy on our team right now," Elway said.

If you take each and every one of those comments it's hard to say Elway is wrong. But what's odd about is he's doing it publicly and more so than that is the frequency of his comments.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Smokescreen

Well, maybe, but Tebow doesn't exude confidence.

Have you watched him play, ever? Including the NFL?

Of course, I'm an SEC guy. I don't think he will ever be a franchise NFL QB. He may be in the league 10 years or more, but I don't think he ever will be a very good NFL qb

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Smokescreen

Well, maybe, but Tebow doesn't exude confidence.

Have you watched him play, ever? Including the NFL?

I'm pretty sure the word Hoss is looking for is "elicit".Tebow exudes confidence but does not elicit it.

Yes, Tebow exudes confidence to Tebow, but not to Elway in Tebow. Hope that clears that up.

Right. Tebow does not elicit confidence in Elway.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Smokescreen

Well, maybe, but Tebow doesn't exude confidence.

Have you watched him play, ever? Including the NFL?

I'm pretty sure the word Hoss is looking for is "elicit".Tebow exudes confidence but does not elicit it.

Yes, Tebow exudes confidence to Tebow, but not to Elway in Tebow. Hope that clears that up.

Right. Tebow does not elicit confidence in Elway.

lol, I think you lost something in translation Andy, but you're probably just being funny I know.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

lol, I think you lost something in translation Andy, but you're probably just being funny I know.

No. I'm just trying to get you to use the right word.Probably better said that Tebow doesn't elicit confidence FROM (rather than IN) Elway.

 

[No Way Jose]

I hope Denver trades Tebow and he wins the MVP. Never understood the hire of Fox either. One would think that Elway would want to hire a coach known for bringing on young QB, instead they hire Fox who team probably put up some of the worst QB numbers in a long time with Clausen last year. Tebow deserves more respect than what he is getting from the Broncos.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

lol, I think you lost something in translation Andy, but you're probably just being funny I know.

No. I'm just trying to get you to use the right word.Probably better said that Tebow doesn't elicit confidence FROM (rather than IN) Elway.

You are correct sir, thanks for the clarification.

 

[rustycolts]

Love to see Tebow In Miami.

 

[beachbum]

1- Trade him to Jacksonville for their 2nd rounder

2- draft Gabbert if Carolina doesn't take him

3- use both second rounders on defense

2a- if Carolina takes Gabbert then nab DL in round one, then Ponder and best available in round two

 

[Concept Coop]

I hope Denver trades Tebow and he wins the MVP. Never understood the hire of Fox either. One would think that Elway would want to hire a coach known for bringing on young QB, instead they hire Fox who team probably put up some of the worst QB numbers in a long time with Clausen last year. Tebow deserves more respect than what he is getting from the Broncos.

I am with you and I just don't get it. Elway needs to stick by this:

"I'm not interested in being a head coach. I'm not interested in being a general manager. I don't have that kind of experience to be able to pick those players day in and day out and such."

 

[Gatorman]

Love to see Tebow In Miami.

Agreed. The problem with Tebow at this point is that the Broncos will not be able to deal him for what they paid for him. I do not see anyone giving them more than a 3rd for tebow (maybe a low second). If the Broncos go out and spend a high pick on a QB with the draft happenning before FA this year, they lose their barganing position for Orton and Tebow. I'd love to see either of them in Miami, but considering Miami will likely draft a QB and start the season with Henne, I believe the market for those guys dries up before the lockout gets solved...

 

[BusMan]

I hope Denver trades Tebow and he wins the MVP. Never understood the hire of Fox either. One would think that Elway would want to hire a coach known for bringing on young QB, instead they hire Fox who team probably put up some of the worst QB numbers in a long time with Clausen last year. Tebow deserves more respect than what he is getting from the Broncos.

I am with you and I just don't get it. Elway needs to stick by this:

"I'm not interested in being a head coach. I'm not interested in being a general manager. I don't have that kind of experience to be able to pick those players day in and day out and such."

I'm not so sure he is guilty (yet) of what you're implicitly accusing him.

 

[BusMan]

I also don't think the Broncos need to draft a QB. If Tebow/Orton bomb big time this year, draft Andrew Luck.

 

[Concept Coop]

I hope Denver trades Tebow and he wins the MVP. Never understood the hire of Fox either. One would think that Elway would want to hire a coach known for bringing on young QB, instead they hire Fox who team probably put up some of the worst QB numbers in a long time with Clausen last year. Tebow deserves more respect than what he is getting from the Broncos.

I am with you and I just don't get it. Elway needs to stick by this:

"I'm not interested in being a head coach. I'm not interested in being a general manager. I don't have that kind of experience to be able to pick those players day in and day out and such."

I'm not so sure he is guilty (yet) of what you're implicitly accusing him.

He may not be. But there is some smoke.

 

[BusMan]

I hope Denver trades Tebow and he wins the MVP. Never understood the hire of Fox either. One would think that Elway would want to hire a coach known for bringing on young QB, instead they hire Fox who team probably put up some of the worst QB numbers in a long time with Clausen last year. Tebow deserves more respect than what he is getting from the Broncos.

I am with you and I just don't get it. Elway needs to stick by this:

"I'm not interested in being a head coach. I'm not interested in being a general manager. I don't have that kind of experience to be able to pick those players day in and day out and such."

I'm not so sure he is guilty (yet) of what you're implicitly accusing him.

He may not be. But there is some smoke.

YES! That is precisely my point!

 

[MTskibum]

I listed the first 4 years of starting for both QB's.

Purdue QB #1

3,200 yards 17 TD's 16 INT's

2,100 yards 11 TD's 15 INT's

3,100 yards 27 TD's 11 INT's

3,500 yards 24 TD's 15 INT's

Purdue QB #2

1,900 yards 9 TD's 13 INT's

3,000 yards 18 TD's 12 INT's

3,800 yards 21 TD's 12 INT's

3,700 yards 20 TD's 9 INT's

The quarterback play is not the problem in denver, Elway knows this. No way will denver draft a QB this is smokescreen all the way.

 

[Andrew Garda]

This simply isn't true. Kaepernick and Tebow have very similar skill sets (weird throwing motion, spread/pistol offense, arm strength, athleticism) but Kaepernick lacks a championship and heisman resume. Both are extremely devout Christians, and both have good leadership skills. Tebow has a better burst running the ball, but Kaepernick has better elusiveness (Tebow likes to bull over people). Kaepernick's stock is just too high at the top of the 2nd, I see him sliding in the draft like Colt McCoy did last year. this whole 'interest in other QBs' is a ruse. The team would like to trade for more draft picks (they're missing a 4th rounder because of the Maroney deal). Trading Orton (when possible) would also take a hit if they came right out and said 'Tebow's the starter.' Between the Combine and the Draft it's difficult to believe much of what you hear or read. Tebow has a ton of support at Dove Valley. As Officer Barbrady would say, 'nothing to see here people!'That being said, the Broncos could take a QB late in the draft because Brady Quinn may not stick around on the roster.

So, you really think Elway wants Tebow as his QB? I don't believe that for a second. I have no problem going along with what you're saying about Kaepernick vs Tebow, but if I'm reading between the lines of what you're saying when you mention possible Orton trade bait and the love Tebow has at Dove Valley, I have to conclude you're a Tebow kind of guy.

@ Cecil as a Tebow guy.On a sidenote - why do you think Elway hates Tebow as his starter?

 

[Cecil Lammey]

This simply isn't true. Kaepernick and Tebow have very similar skill sets (weird throwing motion, spread/pistol offense, arm strength, athleticism) but Kaepernick lacks a championship and heisman resume. Both are extremely devout Christians, and both have good leadership skills. Tebow has a better burst running the ball, but Kaepernick has better elusiveness (Tebow likes to bull over people). Kaepernick's stock is just too high at the top of the 2nd, I see him sliding in the draft like Colt McCoy did last year. this whole 'interest in other QBs' is a ruse. The team would like to trade for more draft picks (they're missing a 4th rounder because of the Maroney deal). Trading Orton (when possible) would also take a hit if they came right out and said 'Tebow's the starter.' Between the Combine and the Draft it's difficult to believe much of what you hear or read. Tebow has a ton of support at Dove Valley. As Officer Barbrady would say, 'nothing to see here people!'That being said, the Broncos could take a QB late in the draft because Brady Quinn may not stick around on the roster.

So, you really think Elway wants Tebow as his QB? I don't believe that for a second. I have no problem going along with what you're saying about Kaepernick vs Tebow, but if I'm reading between the lines of what you're saying when you mention possible Orton trade bait and the love Tebow has at Dove Valley, I have to conclude you're a Tebow kind of guy.

LOL, not a Tebow guy. Looking at this situation honestly I believe it's a smokescreen by the Broncos. I talked to Elway at the Combine (hell, the station I work for is partially owned by Elway) and I know the team has confidence in him. Brian Xanders also commented (once prompted, twice unprompted) at the Combine how Tebow has a ton of support in that building. Tebow looked good in those last three games, running a very limited playbook. He has the desire to be great, but his game is still raw and there are several things to work on. At this time I believe he gives the Broncos the best chance to win. Take some lumps, let him develop. Sitting behind Orton for another year does him no good. I feel they'd win more games with tebow under center than orton anyway. Kyle Orton can run an offense true to form, but he has no escapability, has gotten hurt each of the last three seasons, and is not clutch. Getting a 7-10 point lead on Denver means GAME OVER with Orton. In Tebow's one win we saw him come back from 21-7 against Houston. Yes, terrible defense but I don't see Orton doing that.

 

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This simply isn't true. Kaepernick and Tebow have very similar skill sets (weird throwing motion, spread/pistol offense, arm strength, athleticism) but Kaepernick lacks a championship and heisman resume. Both are extremely devout Christians, and both have good leadership skills. Tebow has a better burst running the ball, but Kaepernick has better elusiveness (Tebow likes to bull over people). Kaepernick's stock is just too high at the top of the 2nd, I see him sliding in the draft like Colt McCoy did last year. this whole 'interest in other QBs' is a ruse. The team would like to trade for more draft picks (they're missing a 4th rounder because of the Maroney deal). Trading Orton (when possible) would also take a hit if they came right out and said 'Tebow's the starter.' Between the Combine and the Draft it's difficult to believe much of what you hear or read. Tebow has a ton of support at Dove Valley. As Officer Barbrady would say, 'nothing to see here people!'That being said, the Broncos could take a QB late in the draft because Brady Quinn may not stick around on the roster.

So, you really think Elway wants Tebow as his QB? I don't believe that for a second. I have no problem going along with what you're saying about Kaepernick vs Tebow, but if I'm reading between the lines of what you're saying when you mention possible Orton trade bait and the love Tebow has at Dove Valley, I have to conclude you're a Tebow kind of guy.

@ Cecil as a Tebow guy.On a sidenote - why do you think Elway hates Tebow as his starter?

Because he's not your traditional QB and there's plenty of question marks surrounding his accuracy and pocket presence, all of which make up a franchise QB, not the ability to take off as a RB more often than not. Scrambling is one thing, but looking to run is another. There has been great scramblers that were also great QBs, such as Tarkenton, Staubach, Young, and Elway. I don't see Tebow ever having the ability to do what they already had and that's the ability to throw the ball effectively and consistently.