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[Weiner Dog]

link:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/footbal...0,7084011.story

Training camp report: Day 11 breakdown

By Perry Gattegno | South Florida Sun-Sentinel

August 9, 2007

WR Marty Booker missed Wednesday's practice because of knee soreness. Booker rode a stationary bike for a good portion of the afternoon practice.

Coach Cam Cameron said the discomfort in Booker's knee had been increasing throughout camp, so the training staff recommended he get the day off. "He's going to be fine," Cameron said.

Rookie WR Ted Ginn Jr. replaced Booker working with the first team.

Rookie LB Abraham Wright blew past the offensive line to sack QB Trent Green and force a fumble during 9-on-9 drills. Wright, a seventh-round pick out of Colorado, is working as the third-team outside linebacker in Joey Porter's absence and has impressed coaches and teammates with his pass-rushing ability. Porter flew back from Birmingham, Ala., on Wednesday morning after having arthroscopic knee surgery Tuesday.

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CAMP OBSERVATIONS

The offense didn't look sharp during Wednesday's practice. QB Cleo Lemon had a rough outing in a short-yardage set of downs. Working from the 25 with nine men to a side, the Lemon-led offense had two passes dropped, one batted down, an illegal shift and a bad pass.

Green then came in and had a pass knocked out of TE Aaron Halterman's hands by S Courtney Bryan before connecting for three consecutive touchdowns, one a 10-yard strike to WR P.K. Sam between CB Derrick Johnson and S Cameron Worrell. Green then hit RB Jesse Chatman on a swing pass that included a nice run-after-catch, and FB Reagan Mauia for a short touchdown catch.

In 11-on-11 drills, QB John Beck looked rusty, overthrowing on the first play when pressured by Wright, and throwing his last pass of the drill right into the defensive line. Beck also called two timeouts at the line of scrimmage.

 

[Rushmore]

Thought I heard something about Booker being slowed by a minor injury. Knee soreness or something.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Thought I heard something about Booker being slowed by a minor injury. Knee soreness or something.

Right. Ginn is backing up Booker, so he ran with the starters. Hagan is backing up Chambers. I'm guessing the competition is for WR3, but it sounds like Cameron is putting in a bunch of WR screens and reverses, fake reverses, etc., for Ginn. So, I think he will be WR3 and probably take over for Booker at some point (very soon).

 

[JimboJim]

This is my first post on Ginn, but he's a guy I've been targeting late in a my re-draft leagues (rd 10-18).

Miami drafted him to be a big-time playmaker. I don't see him being a major factor this season, but as a WR 4/5 with upside, I like the guy.

I think the fins will try to get him 3-5 offensive touches a game, as long as he is healthy, regarless of where he is listed on the depth chart.

If I've got injuries or bye weeks at the WR position, I wouldn't hesitate to put him in expecting 30-50 yards with the upside for a long TD or a big game.

 

[moleculo]

This is my first post on Ginn, but he's a guy I've been targeting late in a my re-draft leagues (rd 10-18).Miami drafted him to be a big-time playmaker. I don't see him being a major factor this season, but as a WR 4/5 with upside, I like the guy.I think the fins will try to get him 3-5 offensive touches a game, as long as he is healthy, regarless of where he is listed on the depth chart.If I've got injuries or bye weeks at the WR position, I wouldn't hesitate to put him in expecting 30-50 yards with the upside for a long TD or a big game.

I hope your league awards points for KR - that's the only place where Ginn will hold value.

 

[moleculo]

link:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/footbal...0,7084011.story

Training camp report: Day 11 breakdown

By Perry Gattegno | South Florida Sun-Sentinel

August 9, 2007



WR Marty Booker missed Wednesday's practice because of knee soreness. Booker rode a stationary bike for a good portion of the afternoon practice.

Coach Cam Cameron said the discomfort in Booker's knee had been increasing throughout camp, so the training staff recommended he get the day off. "He's going to be fine," Cameron said.

Rookie WR Ted Ginn Jr. replaced Booker working with the first team.

did you miss the part in blue?

 

[LHUCKS]

Ginn is a playmaker.

If he can polish his WR skills he can easily find his self in a ProBowl or two as a wide receiver.

 

[Family Matters]

Ginn is a playmaker.If he can polish his WR skills he can easily find his self in a ProBowl or two as a wide receiver.

You do realize he's from the Big 10 don't you?

 

[Weiner Dog]

link:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/footbal...0,7084011.story

Training camp report: Day 11 breakdown

By Perry Gattegno | South Florida Sun-Sentinel

August 9, 2007



WR Marty Booker missed Wednesday's practice because of knee soreness. Booker rode a stationary bike for a good portion of the afternoon practice.

Coach Cam Cameron said the discomfort in Booker's knee had been increasing throughout camp, so the training staff recommended he get the day off. "He's going to be fine," Cameron said.

Rookie WR Ted Ginn Jr. replaced Booker working with the first team.

did you miss the part in blue?

To help you along...#1 - Chambers

#2 - Booker

#3 - ???

With Booker hurt and Ginn running with the 1st-team in his place, there's speculation Ginn has leap-frogged Hagen as the #3 WR for MIA. Only time will tell. However, it cannot be ignored that an inexperienced WR originally labeled as a "return man" is now running with the 1st team with a month left in the preseason.

 

[LHUCKS]

Ginn is a playmaker.If he can polish his WR skills he can easily find his self in a ProBowl or two as a wide receiver.

You do realize he's from the Big 10 don't you?

I'm one of the original Ginn pimpers on this board(I can provide links).The Big10 sucks and is overrated, but that doesn't mean it doesn't produce a good player every now and then.

 

[Black Label Society]

Ginn = Peter Warrick

 

[Weiner Dog]

Ginn = Peter Warrick

This is the most inaccurate comparison I've seen. As players, their games are complete opposites.

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

Ginn = Peter Warrick

Warrick was a better wr.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Ginn = Peter Warrick

Warrick was a better wr.

For some unknown reason, Warrick's 4.70/40 speed did not translate well from college to the NFL.

 

[Weiner Dog]

-- Ginn Showing Quickness --

Fri Aug 10, 2007 --from FFMastermind.com

The Miami Herald reports Dolphins first-round draft pick WR/KR/PR Ted Ginn Jr. has shown some unbelievable quickness during the past three days of practices, and it should only improve as he starts to think less about his routes and rely more on his natural ability.

 

[Family Matters]

Ginn = Peter Warrick

Warrick was a better wr.

Not even close. I've watched Ginn for 3 years now and he's way better than Warrick. Way faster than Warrick. And he's still learning. As a great student of the game and after NFL coaches have a chance to work with him I expect he will be a solid WR. Miami had an idea what they were doing when they drafted him.

 

[Family Matters]

Ginn = Peter Warrick

This is the most inaccurate comparison I've seen. As players, their games are complete opposites.

I think some really think this. It's not because they watched them both play or otherwise they would never make that statement. I think they read it somewhere else and are just repeating what they saw somewhere.

 

[Warpig]

Ginn = Peter Warrick

This is the most inaccurate comparison I've seen. As players, their games are complete opposites.

I think some really think this. It's not because they watched them both play or otherwise they would never make that statement. I think they read it somewhere else and are just repeating what they saw somewhere.

Nah. I think some people are just stupid...and they wouldn't know how to read anyway.

 

[Pipes]

When is the last time the #2 WR in Miami has produced let alone the #3. I agree Ginn is an interesting dynasty prospect but I wouldn't touch him in a re-draft.

 

[Bob Henry]

Ginn = Peter Warrick

Warrick was a better wr.

Not even close. I've watched Ginn for 3 years now and he's way better than Warrick. Way faster than Warrick. And he's still learning. As a great student of the game and after NFL coaches have a chance to work with him I expect he will be a solid WR. Miami had an idea what they were doing when they drafted him.

The sky is the limit with Ginn. He's the most explosive, big play WR in the entire NFL draft this year, IMO. Calvin Johnson is the all-around stud WR who should hit the ground running as a pro, but outside of CJ, Ginn has elite speed and I'd be surprised if Ginn isn't on the field in the slot on a regular basis as a rookie. He will put a lot of pressure on the defense to matchup and he could help clear things up in the middle of the field for Ronnie Brown. Downside? Ginn needs to refine his WR skills, and he needs a lot of development - blocking, route running, consistency with his hands, etc.. Still, I'm sure Cam Cameron will devise ways to get him the ball quickly in space - quick screens, end arounds and perhaps even some slants if he shows he can get off the line.The Peter Warrick comparison starts and ends by saying they are both WRs and drafted at the top of the first round...

 

[FavreCo]

WR bust. End of story.

 

[Bob Henry]

WR bust. End of story.

We could say that about any of the WRs drafted in the first round.. give it a chance first. Long-term I think he has Laveranues Coles type of talent and upside.. considering the comparison to Warrick, Coles is a much better comp..

 

[mchaps55]

To help you along...#1 - Chambers#2 - Booker#3 - ???

To Help you along1-Chambers2-Hagen3-Booker4-Ginn2,3,4 will all rotate in diffrent packagesThis is what it will look like when the season starts. Hagen is getting a ton of love from cameron.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Ginn Jr to start in his NFL debut

 

[NorrisB]

Ginn=Williamson

 

[Weiner Dog]

Ginn Jr to start in his NFL debut

I think Ginn is surprising even his biggest fans with his progression thus far. While I don't think he'll be a starting WR when the season starts, the Dolphins obviously plan on getting him involved sooner than later.Draft (April 28th) ---> Foot injury (until June 7th) ---> First practice (June 7th) ---> Signs contract (July 27th) ---> Starting at WR (Aug 11th)

 

[Pipes]

Ginn=Williamson

Ginn actually has pretty good hands. Williamson can't catch a cold.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Ginn Jr to start in his NFL debut

I think Ginn is surprising even his biggest fans with his progression thus far. While I don't think he'll be a starting WR when the season starts, the Dolphins obviously plan on getting him involved sooner than later.Draft (April 28th) ---> Foot injury (until June 7th) ---> First practice (June 7th) ---> Signs contract (July 27th) ---> Starting at WR (Aug 11th)

Well I'm a big fan, and nothing he does will surprise me, but if Chambers was skipping the game, I think the starters would be Hagan and Booker. Hagan however continues to struggle with drop and consistency.

 

[Weiner Dog]

Ginn Jr to start in his NFL debut

I think Ginn is surprising even his biggest fans with his progression thus far. While I don't think he'll be a starting WR when the season starts, the Dolphins obviously plan on getting him involved sooner than later.Draft (April 28th) ---> Foot injury (until June 7th) ---> First practice (June 7th) ---> Signs contract (July 27th) ---> Starting at WR (Aug 11th)

Well I'm a big fan, and nothing he does will surprise me, but if Chambers was skipping the game, I think the starters would be Hagan and Booker. Hagan however continues to struggle with drop and consistency.

Yeah, that's my understanding as well.1st Chambers - 2nd Hagan

1st Booker - 2nd Ginn

 

[patriarchz]

Wow, a 1st round draft pick cracks the starting lineup by default. Amazing! This guy is such a bust. The Fins suck and the only way he even starts practicing with the first team is because the starting #3 got hurt, and that is temporary.

Anyone who touches this guy in a redraft league is either A) a total Ohio State homer or B) knows nothing about fantasy football.

 

[buck naked]

Wow, a 1st round draft pick cracks the starting lineup by default. Amazing! This guy is such a bust. The Fins suck and the only way he even starts practicing with the first team is because the starting #3 got hurt, and that is temporary. Anyone who touches this guy in a redraft league is either A) a total Ohio State homer or B) knows nothing about fantasy football.

I see. So, I draft Ginn in, let's say, the 17th round. I take a chance on him based on his speed/high skillset & potential injury to Booker. That makes me a "knows nothing about fantasy football" guy. Ho boy.It looks to me like Bob Henry is the only guy around this thread who wants to give an informed opinion. Thanks, Bob!

 

[-OZ-]

Wow, a 1st round draft pick cracks the starting lineup by default. Amazing! This guy is such a bust. The Fins suck and the only way he even starts practicing with the first team is because the starting #3 got hurt, and that is temporary. Anyone who touches this guy in a redraft league is either A) a total Ohio State homer or B) knows nothing about fantasy football.

15.11 OZ - Ted Ginn Miami WR pick #207, non-IDP. Return yardage included (which, FWIW is the key for my pick)11 players on offense start. Oh, I'm a Michigan fan and I have won a few championships in my time.

 

[Bonzai]

wow, the hate on this guy is just bizarre.

 

[Weiner Dog]

I'm also surprised more FF'ers do not mention Ginn's pedigree and up-bringing. It's highly unlikely Ginn has the "Odell"-factor given the presence/influence of his father in his life. You won't see Ginn's name mentioned with "...at 2am, Ted Ginn was arrested for...".

In today's NFL, this cannot be discounted or ignored.

 

[Buckna]

wow, the hate on this guy is just bizarre.

Really don't understand it at all. He's been unbelievable value in dynasty rookie drafts. I saw one league where he fell all the way to the middle of the 3rd round!!!

 

[massraider]

wow, the hate on this guy is just bizarre.

Really don't understand it at all. He's been unbelievable value in dynasty rookie drafts. I saw one league where he fell all the way to the middle of the 3rd round!!!

I'm in a league where points are awarded for return yards, and bonuses for long scores. Ginn was born for this league.

 

[moleculo]

Wow, a 1st round draft pick cracks the starting lineup by default. Amazing! This guy is such a bust. The Fins suck and the only way he even starts practicing with the first team is because the starting #3 got hurt, and that is temporary.

Anyone who touches this guy in a redraft league is either A) a total Ohio State homer or B) knows nothing about fantasy football.

15.11 OZ - Ted Ginn Miami WR

pick #207, non-IDP. Return yardage included (which, FWIW is the key for my pick)

11 players on offense start.

Oh, and I have won a few championships in my time.

Just like Welker did last year, Ginn will have real value if your league awards for KR/PR. Welker was a top 20 WR last year for me on one league like that, in large part due to his ~90 yds /wk purely on return duties (>4 catches per game didn't hurt either). I think Ginn should be a lock for >1200 return yards this year.

 

[Bob Henry]

I'm also surprised more FF'ers do not mention Ginn's pedigree and up-bringing. It's highly unlikely Ginn has the "Odell"-factor given the presence/influence of his father in his life. You won't see Ginn's name mentioned with "...at 2am, Ted Ginn was arrested for...". In today's NFL, this cannot be discounted or ignored.

Definitely.. while none of us could ever say that ANY player would or would not get in trouble at 2 am.. Ginn does have a solid background and the influence of his dad is a positive thing as far as I'm concerned.Ginn was inconsistent with his hands at tOSU, but from all I've heard and read in camp so far, his hands haven't been an issue and, if anything, the team has been pleasantly surprised.If Ginn gets stronger, and I have to think he will as a pro, he could really have the most upside of any WR in the draft not named Calvin Johnson. I believe that. As for the Troy Williamson comparison. Again, I liken him more to Laveranues Coles, who was also considered very raw (compared to Warrick when they came out) but his speed was there and the rest came as he developed. Ginn has the ability to accelerate quickly, start/stop and to make tacklers miss. Outside of the timeline for his development, my bigger concern for Ginn is more around the Miami QB situation and that's not something he controls. Green doesn't inpsire me at all, Lemon - we'll see and Beck.. not sure about him, but I didn't see a lot of him in college so all I can do is go from what others say, which is mixed..

 

[Chaos Commish]

Hi Bob, I appreciate your comments. I pretty much said all I wanted to say about Ginn during draft season. I predicted in December that this kid would be polarizing and the haters would be loud and misinfomed. Now, I feel the need to address this last post from my perspective.

Definitely.. while none of us could ever say that ANY player would or would not get in trouble at 2 am.. Ginn does have a solid background and the influence of his dad is a positive thing as far as I'm concerned.

His character is as good as Calvin's. You'd think that would win him some fans or at least get the haters to lighten up a little and hope for the best. The NFL needs as many "Ginns" as it can find. Solid citizen and a joy to watch.

Ginn was inconsistent with his hands at tOSU, but from all I've heard and read in camp so far, his hands haven't been an issue and, if anything, the team has been pleasantly surprised.If Ginn gets stronger, and I have to think he will as a pro, he could really have the most upside of any WR in the draft not named Calvin Johnson. I believe that.

The inconsistencies with his hands came from one issue: his habit of planning the rac before actually catching the ball. It was a big issue against Michigan on national TV with two drops on crossing patterns, but overall this was never a big issue with his coaches. Tressell and (forget the name at the moment) OSU's WR coach have both praised Ginn's hands, and the WR coach said he had the best hands on the team... when Holmes was there, so that included Gonzo and Holmes. The truth is Ginn has huge hands (bigger than Calvin's) and they are very soft and sticky. His great hands were a primary reason he converted from DB to WR at OSU. I agree he has more upside than any rookie WR not named Calvin.

As for the Troy Williamson comparison. Again, I liken him more to Laveranues Coles, who was also considered very raw (compared to Warrick when they came out) but his speed was there and the rest came as he developed. Ginn has the ability to accelerate quickly, start/stop and to make tacklers miss.

The funny thing about every single report on Ginn to me has been calling him raw. He just isn't. He is a polished route runner and the Dolphins are learning that. He runs a razor sharp out pattern. His out and up is deadly. He is fearless over the middle. Posts and crossing patterns are staples even in his highlights. He was so good beating jams that Tressell regularly dumped hitches to him to bring the corner up, then bam, Ginn was gone. I look at the body type and think Harrison, yes Marvin Harrison. He doesn't have Manning, not even close, but he's got game, and he'll be good sooner than most think. I hope Cam exploits him the way the Buckeyes did. If nothing else, he puts so much pressure on a defense that the rest of the team improves.

 

[patriarchz]

Wow, a 1st round draft pick cracks the starting lineup by default. Amazing! This guy is such a bust. The Fins suck and the only way he even starts practicing with the first team is because the starting #3 got hurt, and that is temporary. Anyone who touches this guy in a redraft league is either A) a total Ohio State homer or B) knows nothing about fantasy football.

I see. So, I draft Ginn in, let's say, the 17th round. I take a chance on him based on his speed/high skillset & potential injury to Booker. That makes me a "knows nothing about fantasy football" guy. Ho boy.It looks to me like Bob Henry is the only guy around this thread who wants to give an informed opinion. Thanks, Bob!

I'll give you credit to take a shot on this guy as a WR#4 or 5. I would hope that any WR you draft in round 17 would have some upside, which he certainly has.Now since he's not even a starter on a bad offensive team, what is his value? Will he get near Chambers numbers? Half of Chambers numbers? I think his value is low low low... in a dynasty league I see some love for sure. Give him a spot and see what happens. But in a redraft? He'll be cut by week 6.I love how the only person with an "informed" opinion is the one who happens to agree with you... ha ha. You love those yes men. Yes sir, whatever you say sir! Go ahead and waste your pick sir!

 

[-OZ-]

Just like Welker did last year, Ginn will have real value if your league awards for KR/PR. Welker was a top 20 WR last year for me on one league like that, in large part due to his ~90 yds /wk purely on return duties (>4 catches per game didn't hurt either). I think Ginn should be a lock for >1200 return yards this year.

I agree. He'll probably get 30-40 receptions for >400 yards at least to go with those return stats.2000 total yards may be attainable.

 

[BRETTSBUCKS]

Ginn = Peter Warrick

Warrick was a better wr.

For some unknown reason, Warrick's 4.70/40 speed did not translate well from college to the NFL.

Ginn has 4.29 speed

 

[buck naked]

Wow, a 1st round draft pick cracks the starting lineup by default. Amazing! This guy is such a bust. The Fins suck and the only way he even starts practicing with the first team is because the starting #3 got hurt, and that is temporary. Anyone who touches this guy in a redraft league is either A) a total Ohio State homer or B) knows nothing about fantasy football.

I see. So, I draft Ginn in, let's say, the 17th round. I take a chance on him based on his speed/high skillset & potential injury to Booker. That makes me a "knows nothing about fantasy football" guy. Ho boy.It looks to me like Bob Henry is the only guy around this thread who wants to give an informed opinion. Thanks, Bob!

I'll give you credit to take a shot on this guy as a WR#4 or 5. I would hope that any WR you draft in round 17 would have some upside, which he certainly has.Now since he's not even a starter on a bad offensive team, what is his value? Will he get near Chambers numbers? Half of Chambers numbers? I think his value is low low low... in a dynasty league I see some love for sure. Give him a spot and see what happens. But in a redraft? He'll be cut by week 6.I love how the only person with an "informed" opinion is the one who happens to agree with you... ha ha. You love those yes men. Yes sir, whatever you say sir! Go ahead and waste your pick sir!

Sorry, but you are wrong. I would greatly appreciate hearing FACTS about why a guy like Ginn will not produce. Give me historical fact about 1st year WR's, or that he is raw based on his lack of years playing the position, something I did not know about him based on his college experience....anything. I WANT to know why I should not take him. I will gladly change my opinion.You told me the Dolphins suck. Well, New Orleans sucked in 2005, remember that? Then they got a new offensive minded coach, a new QB, some playmakers, and viola, they were fantasy gold last year. Dolphins this year - new & experienced QB, new offensive minded coach, and.....you never know.

 

[Warpig]

WR bust. End of story.

Do you ever offer anything even remotely knowledgable? This is just sad.

 

[Family Matters]

Hi Bob, I appreciate your comments. I pretty much said all I wanted to say about Ginn during draft season. I predicted in December that this kid would be polarizing and the haters would be loud and misinfomed. Now, I feel the need to address this last post from my perspective.

Definitely.. while none of us could ever say that ANY player would or would not get in trouble at 2 am.. Ginn does have a solid background and the influence of his dad is a positive thing as far as I'm concerned.

His character is as good as Calvin's. You'd think that would win him some fans or at least get the haters to lighten up a little and hope for the best. The NFL needs as many "Ginns" as it can find. Solid citizen and a joy to watch.

Ginn was inconsistent with his hands at tOSU, but from all I've heard and read in camp so far, his hands haven't been an issue and, if anything, the team has been pleasantly surprised.If Ginn gets stronger, and I have to think he will as a pro, he could really have the most upside of any WR in the draft not named Calvin Johnson. I believe that.

The inconsistencies with his hands came from one issue: his habit of planning the rac before actually catching the ball. It was a big issue against Michigan on national TV with two drops on crossing patterns, but overall this was never a big issue with his coaches. Tressell and (forget the name at the moment) OSU's WR coach have both praised Ginn's hands, and the WR coach said he had the best hands on the team... when Holmes was there, so that included Gonzo and Holmes. The truth is Ginn has huge hands (bigger than Calvin's) and they are very soft and sticky. His great hands were a primary reason he converted from DB to WR at OSU. I agree he has more upside than any rookie WR not named Calvin.

As for the Troy Williamson comparison. Again, I liken him more to Laveranues Coles, who was also considered very raw (compared to Warrick when they came out) but his speed was there and the rest came as he developed. Ginn has the ability to accelerate quickly, start/stop and to make tacklers miss.

The funny thing about every single report on Ginn to me has been calling him raw. He just isn't. He is a polished route runner and the Dolphins are learning that. He runs a razor sharp out pattern. His out and up is deadly. He is fearless over the middle. Posts and crossing patterns are staples even in his highlights. He was so good beating jams that Tressell regularly dumped hitches to him to bring the corner up, then bam, Ginn was gone. I look at the body type and think Harrison, yes Marvin Harrison. He doesn't have Manning, not even close, but he's got game, and he'll be good sooner than most think. I hope Cam exploits him the way the Buckeyes did. If nothing else, he puts so much pressure on a defense that the rest of the team improves.

BTW-his WR coach at OSU was Darrell Hazel. Excellent coach.Just to add to your points, Ginn has only been a WR 3 years and he came out as a Jr. so he's still young. When you consider how quickly he's learned the position and how well he's developed you then begin to realize his potential. A guy that gifted and with a great head on his shoulders should equal a great WR. Maybe he won't be great his first year but he'll be good. Within 3 years this kid will be talked about as more than a good PR/KR. He'll be referred to as a very good WR.

 

[Football Jones]

I believe people are going to start coming around on Ginn sooner rather than later. I'm not saying he's going to have a big season this year, but he could easily be the next Steve Smith, IMO.

 

[Jedeye]

There aren't many 1st year WR's that I'd really want to depend on, so I'd probably avoid Ginn in a redraft league except for maybe very late rounds or leagues that award points for punt/kick returns. But to call him a bust already seems a bit premature.

 

[Peyton Marino]

Ginn = Peter Warrick

warrick turned out to be a good No. 2 WR right before his knees gave out on him.

 

[Bob Henry]

Hi Bob, I appreciate your comments. I pretty much said all I wanted to say about Ginn during draft season. I predicted in December that this kid would be polarizing and the haters would be loud and misinfomed. Now, I feel the need to address this last post from my perspective.

Definitely.. while none of us could ever say that ANY player would or would not get in trouble at 2 am.. Ginn does have a solid background and the influence of his dad is a positive thing as far as I'm concerned.

His character is as good as Calvin's. You'd think that would win him some fans or at least get the haters to lighten up a little and hope for the best. The NFL needs as many "Ginns" as it can find. Solid citizen and a joy to watch.

Ginn was inconsistent with his hands at tOSU, but from all I've heard and read in camp so far, his hands haven't been an issue and, if anything, the team has been pleasantly surprised.If Ginn gets stronger, and I have to think he will as a pro, he could really have the most upside of any WR in the draft not named Calvin Johnson. I believe that.

The inconsistencies with his hands came from one issue: his habit of planning the rac before actually catching the ball. It was a big issue against Michigan on national TV with two drops on crossing patterns, but overall this was never a big issue with his coaches. Tressell and (forget the name at the moment) OSU's WR coach have both praised Ginn's hands, and the WR coach said he had the best hands on the team... when Holmes was there, so that included Gonzo and Holmes. The truth is Ginn has huge hands (bigger than Calvin's) and they are very soft and sticky. His great hands were a primary reason he converted from DB to WR at OSU. I agree he has more upside than any rookie WR not named Calvin.

As for the Troy Williamson comparison. Again, I liken him more to Laveranues Coles, who was also considered very raw (compared to Warrick when they came out) but his speed was there and the rest came as he developed. Ginn has the ability to accelerate quickly, start/stop and to make tacklers miss.

The funny thing about every single report on Ginn to me has been calling him raw. He just isn't. He is a polished route runner and the Dolphins are learning that. He runs a razor sharp out pattern. His out and up is deadly. He is fearless over the middle. Posts and crossing patterns are staples even in his highlights. He was so good beating jams that Tressell regularly dumped hitches to him to bring the corner up, then bam, Ginn was gone. I look at the body type and think Harrison, yes Marvin Harrison. He doesn't have Manning, not even close, but he's got game, and he'll be good sooner than most think. I hope Cam exploits him the way the Buckeyes did. If nothing else, he puts so much pressure on a defense that the rest of the team improves.

Really

 

[rascal]

Welker was ranked 30th in WR in my league last year due to his return yards and 600 yards receiving. If Ginn can do that I'd gladly take him.