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Yamashiro is lame and über awesome at the same time. Sick ### views and it fits into the Hollywood/Burbank/dodger stadium geography. There's a romantic garden walkway that your lady will like. Its Just a thought and if you know anyone that can get you into the magic castle, it's next door.

 
I suggest replacing Echo Park with Los Feliz after WB, it's a quick drive and a small area with hipster restaurants on Hillhurst, very close to the Griffith Observatory.

 
In terms of the view -- you're right -- hard to beat Takami. And if that food is what you want, it's good as well. For me though, I believe the best restaurant in DTLA is Bottega though. Just my two pennies.

 
In terms of the view -- you're right -- hard to beat Takami. And if that food is what you want, it's good as well. For me though, I believe the best restaurant in DTLA is Bottega though. Just my two pennies.
I worked 2 blocks from there, but it was always too damn loud and crowded to have lunch there. I'll have to drop in on a lazy weekend.

 
It's definitely loud. And pretty much always crowded. But the wait is usually pretty quick and you can always snag a small table by the bar area. IMO it's worth it.

In terms of the view -- you're right -- hard to beat Takami. And if that food is what you want, it's good as well. For me though, I believe the best restaurant in DTLA is Bottega though. Just my two pennies.
I worked 2 blocks from there, but it was always too damn loud and crowded to have lunch there. I'll have to drop in on a lazy weekend.
 
My girlfriend put together a (very) preliminary itinerary for our vacation and I would greatly appreciate any feedback or suggestions. Plane lands at noon on Sat. June 22 and we fly out at noon on Fri. June 28. We're staying in MDR and will have a car.

Saturday

[*]Nothing planned yet (we're off to a great start)

Sunday: Venice Beach / Santa Monica

[*]Question: Does it make sense to squeeze both of these into a day? Is there enough to see at each location to split these up?

[*]Thinking of renting bikes and biking to Venice Beach. Check out the boardwalk / canals / graffiti wall / bball courts. Maybe lounge around the beach.

[*]Ride bikes up to Santa Monica, check out the pier and lounge around on the beach there as well.

[*]Will probably grab dinner and drinks in Santa Monica (Penthouse/Lobster Pot/Shangri La recommended above), but that may not work out well if we bike up there, so potentially head back to hotel and dine elsewhere.

great plan

Monday: Rodeo Drive / Hollywood

[*]Head to Rodeo Drive, shop / explore Beverly Hills

[*]Drive to Hollywood Blvd and check out the walk of fame, kodak theater, chinese theater, etc.

[*]We have tickets to Jimmy Kimmel Live and check-in time is 4:30 -- was suggested to me that we get there around 3-3:15pm. Not clear when we'll get out of the viewing.

[*]Dinner and club night in the Hollywood area (where?)

what kind of food? club? as in nightclub?

Tuesday: WB / Echo Park / Dodgers

[*]Drive to Burbank for an early WB Studio tour

[*]Drive to Echo park, grab food (Brite Spot?) and explore.

[*]I want to add Dodgers Stadium to the list of parks I've been at, so will get tickets to their game against SF at 7.

[*]Would like to grab dinner / drinks after driving back from Dodgers stadium. Not sure which area, but maybe at one of the rooftop places mentioned in posts above

don't know if i'd "explore" echo park

Dodger stadium is not convenient to grab dinner in SaMo afterwards. I'd recommed going downtown and eating at Perch. http://perchla.com

Wednesday: Manhattan Beach

[*]As per a suggestion listed above, bike/drive to manhattan beach...will probably make this a full beach day of lounging in the sun.

[*]Need to figure out nighttime activities

Thursday: Museums and exploring

[*]My girlfriend likes art, so we will do Getty Center or LACMA (or both? Are each of these a full day event?)

[*]I would really like to check out the Griffith Observatory, but unfortunately it's closed on Mondays which is when we'll be in the area. Just looking at google maps, maybe we could go here after LACMA?

[*]Again, need to figure out nighttime stuff.

do the getty, and it's a full day and too far from lacma to do both

Friday

[*]In hindsight, I already wish I booked a later flight for Friday, but it is what it is...Can't really do much on this day with a noon flight.

So that's the (very) preliminary itinerary. We obviously don't know / haven't researched good restaurant / drink spots, so would appreciate any input on that as well as general feasibility from a time perspective. Thanks!!
The food at perch is not that great eat at chaya and go to perch after for drinks....
 
Thanks for the input! Updated the itinerary below. Any other suggestions on dining and nighttime bars / clubs is appreciated. Gf wants to go to at least one nightclub which I mention below -- I dont go to any clubs in NYC and I'm not looking to buy bottles or participate in a dooshfest. Other than one/two club nights I guess we're just looking for good bars, preferable rooftop / outdoors to take advantage of good weather. We're both into rap / hiphop if that helps.

As for food options, we're not too picky or sophisticated with dining - american/mexican/italian/thai/chinese/sushi/whatever - would like to go to one or two really nice places, else I'd like to spend ~$30-40 / person on dinner.

Saturday

  • We land at noon and this day is still TBD
  • Would like to do rooftop / outdoor bar after a nice, early kick-off dinner (Yamashiro maybe?)
  • We're also thinking of doing Griffith Observatory since it's relatively low-key for night 1 and we both want to see the sights. The Supermoon should be cool / memorable too.
Sunday: Venice Beach / Santa Monica

  • Rent bikes and biking to Venice Beach. Check out the boardwalk / canals / graffiti wall / bball courts / beach
  • Ride bikes up to Santa Monica, check out the pier and lounge around on the beach there as well.
  • Dinner and drinks in Santa Monica (Penthouse / Lobster Pot / Shangri La)
Monday: Rodeo Drive / Hollywood

  • Head to Rodeo Drive, shop / explore Beverly Hills
  • Drive to Hollywood Blvd and check out the walk of fame, kodak theater, chinese theater, etc.
  • We have tickets to Jimmy Kimmel Live and check-in time is 4:30 -- was suggested to me that we get there around 3-3:15pm. Not clear when we'll get out of the viewing.
  • Dinner and club night --- any rec for a club? Doesn't have to be in Hollywood.
Tuesday: WB / Echo Park / Dodgers

  • Drive to Burbank for an early WB Studio tour
  • Echo park / Los Feliz -- still need to look into these.
  • Dodgers / Giants
  • Chaya / Perch / Takami / Bottega Louie for dinner / drinks - thanks for the options!
Wednesday: Manhattan Beach

  • As per a suggestion listed above, bike/drive to manhattan beach...will probably make this a full beach day of lounging in the sun.
  • Need to figure out nighttime activities - maybe dinner in dtla
Thursday: Museums and exploring

  • Getty
  • Still need to figure out nighttime stuff.
Friday

  • In hindsight, I already wish I booked a later flight for Friday, but it is what it is...Can't really do much on this day with a noon flight
 
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either after or before the dodger game go to the wurstkuche. super low key, great sausages and beer on tap. had a pheasant brat yesterday with 2 awesome belgian beers, houblan choufe and something else i forget.

 
It's not the Kodak Theatre anymore because of camera phones. It has been renamed the Dolby Theatre. I'm not a club guy, but I would think you'd be in a good spot to find one around Kimmel. Perhaps go one metro rail stop over to Hollywood/Vine and there's a bunch of clubs around there. Also at Hollywood/Vine is some of the biggest Walk of Fame stars -- Cary Grant, Clark Cable, Audrey and Katharine Hepburn. When you're downtown, you might want to check out L.A. Live with Staples Center, Nokia Theatre and the L.A. Convention Center next door. There's some decent restaurants there (The Yard House is my favorite) or it's close enough to walk to from Bottega Louie. In the same place at Takami there is the Elevate Lounge. Also near Takami and Bottega there is The Standard Hotel with its rooftop bar, probably the most famous downtown, and on the second floor there is a ping pong bar co-owned by Susan Sarandon. All of this downtown stuff also is right near the Expo Line train that is a 10-minute ride to the Expo/USC stop where you can see USC (Heritage Hall, Tommy Trojan statue) on one side and on the other side there is the Rose Garden, California Science Center (with space shuttle Endeavor), Natural History Museum and the Coliseum. Restaurants that I think are L.A. institutions include Lawry's, which just celebrated its 75th anniversary last week and is home of the annual Beef Bowl between the Rose Bowl teams, The Pantry (a block from L.A. Live), which opened in 1924 and is open 24 hours a day -- leading to the claim that it has never been closed or without a customer -- and Pacific Dining Car, opened in 1921 and also open 24 hours a day. Other than the view, I've found the Getty to be pretty boring. Obviously it depends what is being exhibited. If you are a Stanley Kubrick fan, LACMA has an exhibit on Kubrick running through June and also has this pretty cool Metropolis sculpture. I don't think there's really anything you need to see in Echo Park or Los Feliz. If you want to see a movie, my favorite theater is in that area called Vista Theatre, which opened in 1923 and has a cool Egyptian theme. It's not as famous or spectacular as Grauman's Chinese, but it's a much better place to see a movie with less busyness and every other row removed for incredible leg room. When I go there, I like to pair it with the Umami Burger nearby. And there's a decent asian-themed dive bar next door called the Good Luck Bar. Another decent area is The Grove/Farmer's Market for shopping with the La Brea Tar Pits nearby for Dinosaur bones.

 
Looking for recommendations for DTLA nightlife. Me, Mrs eephus, our daughter and her friend (both 21) will be visiting and staying downtown on a Friday and Saturday night. On Friday, we're going to a Dodgers game and staying in Little Tokyo. On Saturday, we're going to a concert at the Nokia and staying in the Westin.

Any ideas of downtown places to hit afterwards for drinks and maybe food? We'll have a car but would prefer to walk or cab it. Looking for someplace lively. We prefer dives to places with bottle service and are pretty much unphased by any combination of age, ethnicity or gender.

 
Looking for recommendations for DTLA nightlife. Me, Mrs eephus, our daughter and her friend (both 21) will be visiting and staying downtown on a Friday and Saturday night. On Friday, we're going to a Dodgers game and staying in Little Tokyo. On Saturday, we're going to a concert at the Nokia and staying in the Westin.

Any ideas of downtown places to hit afterwards for drinks and maybe food? We'll have a car but would prefer to walk or cab it. Looking for someplace lively. We prefer dives to places with bottle service and are pretty much unphased by any combination of age, ethnicity or gender.
Far Bar is a great place in Little Tokyo. Good food and a good beer selection.

 
Looking for recommendations for DTLA nightlife. Me, Mrs eephus, our daughter and her friend (both 21) will be visiting and staying downtown on a Friday and Saturday night. On Friday, we're going to a Dodgers game and staying in Little Tokyo. On Saturday, we're going to a concert at the Nokia and staying in the Westin.

Any ideas of downtown places to hit afterwards for drinks and maybe food? We'll have a car but would prefer to walk or cab it. Looking for someplace lively. We prefer dives to places with bottle service and are pretty much unphased by any combination of age, ethnicity or gender.
Mo-Chica is a great Peruvian spot just a few blocks from the Bonaventure. The Library Bar is cool if you can find a place to sit. If you're into really divey places, visit Grand Central Market and get an al pastor burrito from either Ana Maria's or Taco's Tumbras a Tomas.

 
If seeing celebrities is your thing, a Malibu trip for lunch (non weekends) is your best bet. Its a quick trip from Santa Monica/Venice.

 
If seeing celebrities is your thing, a Malibu trip for lunch (non weekends) is your best bet. Its a quick trip from Santa Monica/Venice.
Thanks. I do most of my celebrity spotting on this board.

We did get seated next to Jeff Goldblum at a lunch spot in W. Hollywood at our last LA visit. I'm sure he's heard "waiter there's a fly in my soup" a thousand times.

 
wurstkuche 3 blocks east of little tokyo and right where i grew up.
Little Tokyo is a cool neighborhood. I used too stay in Chinatown. And Wurstkuche is a great restaurant. One of my faves. There's also one in Venice for any Westsiders out there.

 
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If seeing celebrities is your thing, a Malibu trip for lunch (non weekends) is your best bet. Its a quick trip from Santa Monica/Venice.
Thanks. I do most of my celebrity spotting on this board.

We did get seated next to Jeff Goldblum at a lunch spot in W. Hollywood at our last LA visit. I'm sure he's heard "waiter there's a fly in my soup" a thousand times.
He would've heard it again if I was there.
 
If I were to do one studio tour, which one should it be? Paramount gets great reviews, but the Warner Bros tour looks like it has a lot more going on. I'll only have time for one, any input from locals and/or folks who have been to multiple? Not really looking for the theme park thing, which is why I think am ruling out Universal. TIA.

 
If I were to do one studio tour, which one should it be? Paramount gets great reviews, but the Warner Bros tour looks like it has a lot more going on. I'll only have time for one, any input from locals and/or folks who have been to multiple? Not really looking for the theme park thing, which is why I think am ruling out Universal. TIA.
Unless you get to also be in the audience for the talk shows, the Paramount (didn't even know they did tours until 3 weeks ago) is pathetic and WB isn't much better. In both you'll get to see the outside of the stages that were used, and plod through the backlot and see the New York street, courthouse steps, and some suburban blocks of houses but neither of them really show much of what's going on. Universal is much bigger and has some "original programming" for the tours like the shark coming out of the water or the Mexican Village flooding.* Granted, these observations are from working on the lots, not taking the tours. I'd rank them Universal>WB>>>Paramount. Plus if you like to be bilked out of more money than the tour costs, Universal has City Walk right next door.

* if you choose this one, you might want to double check these are active. I was working there a few weeks ago and the shark pool was drained, not sure why.

 
If I were to do one studio tour, which one should it be? Paramount gets great reviews, but the Warner Bros tour looks like it has a lot more going on. I'll only have time for one, any input from locals and/or folks who have been to multiple? Not really looking for the theme park thing, which is why I think am ruling out Universal. TIA.
Unless you get to also be in the audience for the talk shows, the Paramount (didn't even know they did tours until 3 weeks ago) is pathetic and WB isn't much better. In both you'll get to see the outside of the stages that were used, and plod through the backlot and see the New York street, courthouse steps, and some suburban blocks of houses but neither of them really show much of what's going on. Universal is much bigger and has some "original programming" for the tours like the shark coming out of the water or the Mexican Village flooding.* Granted, these observations are from working on the lots, not taking the tours. I'd rank them Universal>WB>>>Paramount. Plus if you like to be bilked out of more money than the tour costs, Universal has City Walk right next door.

* if you choose this one, you might want to double check these are active. I was working there a few weeks ago and the shark pool was drained, not sure why.
Thanks for the input. You have me re-thinking Universal. Most of the travel sites (Frommers, Fodors, Tripadvisor) all seem to have Paramount as the best reviewed. Looking at the pictures from tripadvisor and your comments, I'm getting the feeling that it is nothing special.

 
If I were to do one studio tour, which one should it be? Paramount gets great reviews, but the Warner Bros tour looks like it has a lot more going on. I'll only have time for one, any input from locals and/or folks who have been to multiple? Not really looking for the theme park thing, which is why I think am ruling out Universal. TIA.
Unless you get to also be in the audience for the talk shows, the Paramount (didn't even know they did tours until 3 weeks ago) is pathetic and WB isn't much better. In both you'll get to see the outside of the stages that were used, and plod through the backlot and see the New York street, courthouse steps, and some suburban blocks of houses but neither of them really show much of what's going on. Universal is much bigger and has some "original programming" for the tours like the shark coming out of the water or the Mexican Village flooding.* Granted, these observations are from working on the lots, not taking the tours. I'd rank them Universal>WB>>>Paramount. Plus if you like to be bilked out of more money than the tour costs, Universal has City Walk right next door.

* if you choose this one, you might want to double check these are active. I was working there a few weeks ago and the shark pool was drained, not sure why.
This wasn't my experience. I haven't done the Paramount tour but did the Warner Brothers tour a little over a year ago. I though it was great. We did see all the exteriors that mad sweeney mentioned but we also went into the sound stage for Big Bang Theory and Mike and Molly, saw the car museum with a few dozen different cars used in TV and Movies, went into the prop house where they had rebuilt the set for the Friends coffee shop. The tour guide also gave a unique tour. It wasn't completely scripted. He interacted with the group (about 12 people) found out their interests and pointed stuff out related to those interests.

Universal is fun and it does go through the back lot but it is more of a theme park attraction and less of a studio tour. Also to really get your value at Universal you are buying a theme park ticket and probably want to spend the entire day there to get your moneys worth. Warner Brothers is 3-4 hours of your time and you can move on to a different activity.

 
Anyone been to The Mansion? I got to go to a party there for the BCS...pretty cool experience. I guess they rent out to corp parties a lot...I think Hef was asleep...and the bunnies were conservatively dressed. But there were a ton of women there who are on Heffs mailing list who get invites to 3-4 parties a year and who show up clearly looking to be discovered. Not sure if that's doable for males? Grounds are surprisingly huge, considering the location. Security was unreal.

 
I wonder if the Sony studio does tours. I've been on the lot a few times for screenings and tapings. It's a cool place to wander around in.

 
If I were to do one studio tour, which one should it be? Paramount gets great reviews, but the Warner Bros tour looks like it has a lot more going on. I'll only have time for one, any input from locals and/or folks who have been to multiple? Not really looking for the theme park thing, which is why I think am ruling out Universal. TIA.
Unless you get to also be in the audience for the talk shows, the Paramount (didn't even know they did tours until 3 weeks ago) is pathetic and WB isn't much better. In both you'll get to see the outside of the stages that were used, and plod through the backlot and see the New York street, courthouse steps, and some suburban blocks of houses but neither of them really show much of what's going on. Universal is much bigger and has some "original programming" for the tours like the shark coming out of the water or the Mexican Village flooding.* Granted, these observations are from working on the lots, not taking the tours. I'd rank them Universal>WB>>>Paramount. Plus if you like to be bilked out of more money than the tour costs, Universal has City Walk right next door.

* if you choose this one, you might want to double check these are active. I was working there a few weeks ago and the shark pool was drained, not sure why.
This wasn't my experience. I haven't done the Paramount tour but did the Warner Brothers tour a little over a year ago. I though it was great. We did see all the exteriors that mad sweeney mentioned but we also went into the sound stage for Big Bang Theory and Mike and Molly, saw the car museum with a few dozen different cars used in TV and Movies, went into the prop house where they had rebuilt the set for the Friends coffee shop. The tour guide also gave a unique tour. It wasn't completely scripted. He interacted with the group (about 12 people) found out their interests and pointed stuff out related to those interests.

Universal is fun and it does go through the back lot but it is more of a theme park attraction and less of a studio tour. Also to really get your value at Universal you are buying a theme park ticket and probably want to spend the entire day there to get your moneys worth. Warner Brothers is 3-4 hours of your time and you can move on to a different activity.
My pov is from working at the lots so I'm guessing about which is better. I hadn't been on Paramount for a couple of years and after a lot of time at Universal and WB, I thought Paramount seemed like a dump compared to the other two when I was there a few weeks ago. Not sure how they got 3-4 hours out of WB, did they also take you to the "Ranch", which is a small backlot and stages a few blocks away from the main campus. The Griswold house is among them.

 
If I were to do one studio tour, which one should it be? Paramount gets great reviews, but the Warner Bros tour looks like it has a lot more going on. I'll only have time for one, any input from locals and/or folks who have been to multiple? Not really looking for the theme park thing, which is why I think am ruling out Universal. TIA.
Unless you get to also be in the audience for the talk shows, the Paramount (didn't even know they did tours until 3 weeks ago) is pathetic and WB isn't much better. In both you'll get to see the outside of the stages that were used, and plod through the backlot and see the New York street, courthouse steps, and some suburban blocks of houses but neither of them really show much of what's going on. Universal is much bigger and has some "original programming" for the tours like the shark coming out of the water or the Mexican Village flooding.* Granted, these observations are from working on the lots, not taking the tours. I'd rank them Universal>WB>>>Paramount. Plus if you like to be bilked out of more money than the tour costs, Universal has City Walk right next door.

* if you choose this one, you might want to double check these are active. I was working there a few weeks ago and the shark pool was drained, not sure why.
This wasn't my experience. I haven't done the Paramount tour but did the Warner Brothers tour a little over a year ago. I though it was great. We did see all the exteriors that mad sweeney mentioned but we also went into the sound stage for Big Bang Theory and Mike and Molly, saw the car museum with a few dozen different cars used in TV and Movies, went into the prop house where they had rebuilt the set for the Friends coffee shop. The tour guide also gave a unique tour. It wasn't completely scripted. He interacted with the group (about 12 people) found out their interests and pointed stuff out related to those interests.

Universal is fun and it does go through the back lot but it is more of a theme park attraction and less of a studio tour. Also to really get your value at Universal you are buying a theme park ticket and probably want to spend the entire day there to get your moneys worth. Warner Brothers is 3-4 hours of your time and you can move on to a different activity.
Did you do the VIP tour or standard tour with Warner Brothers?

 
If I were to do one studio tour, which one should it be? Paramount gets great reviews, but the Warner Bros tour looks like it has a lot more going on. I'll only have time for one, any input from locals and/or folks who have been to multiple? Not really looking for the theme park thing, which is why I think am ruling out Universal. TIA.
Unless you get to also be in the audience for the talk shows, the Paramount (didn't even know they did tours until 3 weeks ago) is pathetic and WB isn't much better. In both you'll get to see the outside of the stages that were used, and plod through the backlot and see the New York street, courthouse steps, and some suburban blocks of houses but neither of them really show much of what's going on. Universal is much bigger and has some "original programming" for the tours like the shark coming out of the water or the Mexican Village flooding.* Granted, these observations are from working on the lots, not taking the tours. I'd rank them Universal>WB>>>Paramount. Plus if you like to be bilked out of more money than the tour costs, Universal has City Walk right next door.

* if you choose this one, you might want to double check these are active. I was working there a few weeks ago and the shark pool was drained, not sure why.
This wasn't my experience. I haven't done the Paramount tour but did the Warner Brothers tour a little over a year ago. I though it was great. We did see all the exteriors that mad sweeney mentioned but we also went into the sound stage for Big Bang Theory and Mike and Molly, saw the car museum with a few dozen different cars used in TV and Movies, went into the prop house where they had rebuilt the set for the Friends coffee shop. The tour guide also gave a unique tour. It wasn't completely scripted. He interacted with the group (about 12 people) found out their interests and pointed stuff out related to those interests.

Universal is fun and it does go through the back lot but it is more of a theme park attraction and less of a studio tour. Also to really get your value at Universal you are buying a theme park ticket and probably want to spend the entire day there to get your moneys worth. Warner Brothers is 3-4 hours of your time and you can move on to a different activity.
Did you do the VIP tour or standard tour with Warner Brothers?
Yes.

 
If I were to do one studio tour, which one should it be? Paramount gets great reviews, but the Warner Bros tour looks like it has a lot more going on. I'll only have time for one, any input from locals and/or folks who have been to multiple? Not really looking for the theme park thing, which is why I think am ruling out Universal. TIA.
Unless you get to also be in the audience for the talk shows, the Paramount (didn't even know they did tours until 3 weeks ago) is pathetic and WB isn't much better. In both you'll get to see the outside of the stages that were used, and plod through the backlot and see the New York street, courthouse steps, and some suburban blocks of houses but neither of them really show much of what's going on. Universal is much bigger and has some "original programming" for the tours like the shark coming out of the water or the Mexican Village flooding.* Granted, these observations are from working on the lots, not taking the tours. I'd rank them Universal>WB>>>Paramount. Plus if you like to be bilked out of more money than the tour costs, Universal has City Walk right next door.

* if you choose this one, you might want to double check these are active. I was working there a few weeks ago and the shark pool was drained, not sure why.
This wasn't my experience. I haven't done the Paramount tour but did the Warner Brothers tour a little over a year ago. I though it was great. We did see all the exteriors that mad sweeney mentioned but we also went into the sound stage for Big Bang Theory and Mike and Molly, saw the car museum with a few dozen different cars used in TV and Movies, went into the prop house where they had rebuilt the set for the Friends coffee shop. The tour guide also gave a unique tour. It wasn't completely scripted. He interacted with the group (about 12 people) found out their interests and pointed stuff out related to those interests.

Universal is fun and it does go through the back lot but it is more of a theme park attraction and less of a studio tour. Also to really get your value at Universal you are buying a theme park ticket and probably want to spend the entire day there to get your moneys worth. Warner Brothers is 3-4 hours of your time and you can move on to a different activity.
My pov is from working at the lots so I'm guessing about which is better. I hadn't been on Paramount for a couple of years and after a lot of time at Universal and WB, I thought Paramount seemed like a dump compared to the other two when I was there a few weeks ago. Not sure how they got 3-4 hours out of WB, did they also take you to the "Ranch", which is a small backlot and stages a few blocks away from the main campus. The Griswold house is among them.
Not sure that the quality of the tour equates to the quality of the lot for filming purposes. The WB tour was 2.5 hours the 3-4 hours I stated was for the whole time t would take for them to do it including parking, shopping, waiting for the tour to start etc.

 

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