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Terrell Owens/Keyshawn Johnson feud (1 Viewer)

What is it with winning teams (or individuals) just being douches rather than sitting back and enjoying the ride? Dallas is having a great season and now TO has once again, much like in the case of the Pats, taken the attention away from what people should be looking at (a great season) and diverted it to unecessary garbage. I just don't get it.

 
Loke said:
What is it with winning teams (or individuals) just being douches rather than sitting back and enjoying the ride? Dallas is having a great season and now TO has once again, much like in the case of the Pats, taken the attention away from what people should be looking at (a great season) and diverted it to unecessary garbage. I just don't get it.
He was responding to accusations by Key, it's not as if he held a presser bashing on Bill. He was sticking up for his coach/teammates. It's funny, TO is just hated by some no matter what he says.....
 
Loke said:
What is it with winning teams (or individuals) just being douches rather than sitting back and enjoying the ride? Dallas is having a great season and now TO has once again, much like in the case of the Pats, taken the attention away from what people should be looking at (a great season) and diverted it to unecessary garbage. I just don't get it.
He was responding to accusations by Key...
Why? Keyshan is just some announcer. Does anyone really care if he likes Parcells? Why not just let the people that should handle it, like the other analysts, handle it? Is it just not possible to keep your mouth shut in this day and age? I guess not. So now instead of the papers reporting on the Cowboys and their season, all that is all over the TV is TO and his mouth. Is that what Dallas fans want to see and hear about? I don't think so.
 
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Its not like TO called a press conference in his driveway. He was asked by a reporter and he responded. If he had a good publicist (and he clearly doesn't) he would say no comment. I think an earlier poster hit the nail on the head that Meshawn is bitter, too bad.

This whole thing has been blown up by the media(shocking). It should never have gone beyond what Meshawn said.

 
Parcells built the team , he started and gave Romo a shot where most coaches would have had him as a bench guy his whole career , he built the defense and the running game. Wade has NEVER been a great coach in the NFL he has been decent but not great - parcells has.

Wade was handed a really good team and ran with it rather than really change it Like Norv tried to do.

 
Loke said:
What is it with winning teams (or individuals) just being douches rather than sitting back and enjoying the ride? Dallas is having a great season and now TO has once again, much like in the case of the Pats, taken the attention away from what people should be looking at (a great season) and diverted it to unecessary garbage. I just don't get it.
He was responding to accusations by Key...
Why? Keyshan is just some announcer. Does anyone really care if he likes Parcells? Why not just let the people that should handle it, like the other analysts, handle it? Is it just not possible to keep your mouth shut in this day and age? I guess not. So now instead of the papers reporting on the Cowboys and their season, all that is all over the TV is TO and his mouth. Is that what Dallas fans want to see and hear about? I don't think so.
Key is just some announcer with an obvious axe to grind. I applaud TO for responding in a professional manner and protecting his current coach. It's funny, could you imagine what the firestorm would have been if he agreed with Key? I just don't get the problem with this quote whatsoever....."It's not a matter of me giving or not giving Bill credit," Owens said, according to The Dallas Morning News. "Everybody wants to make a big deal, that this is the team he built. It doesn't matter. ... My thing is give credit to Wade [Phillips]. The difference between Wade and Parcells is this: Parcells, he didn't use me as a playmaker; Wade, he got the staff, and that's what I'm being used as."Why would Dallas fans care that TO said that Phillips has done a good job and should get credit? I'm sure the majority of the fans would agree with him. At the end of the day, if you're a TO hater you are going to spin no matter what he says to your liking and if he opens his mouth he's always in a no-win situation.
 
What's the big deal folks?

KJ is an ###

Parcells is an ###

TO is an ###

Wade Phillips is a cool dude

We already knew all of this.

 
Owens is mad at Key because "Give me the dam ball" out sold "To on TO" 88 copies to 68. Johnson does have a bigger family though..

 
Banger said:
It's obvious that the focus of the offense is around TO this year and he's been unstoppable nearly every week. He was obviously not the focus last year and they weren't as good. Who deserves the credit for the change? I'd say Phillips and his staff.
Jason Witten may have something to say about this..... 80 catches to 74 in favor of Witten.
 
Owens is mad at Key because "Give me the dam ball" out sold "To on TO" 88 copies to 68. Johnson does have a bigger family though..
Agreed. Key must've made at least $200 grand on that book compared to TO's $25. I wonder how much TO is making this year in comparison to Key, maybe 10X as much?
 
"Those guys are probably talking about me, chopping it up, drinking coffee," Owens said. "They can have their little pity party and talk about me all day long. It doesn't bother me. There's a lot of people on the ESPN panel and across the country that has observed what has happened this year versus last year. And there's a lot of people that just don't want to give credit for what Wade has done and what wasn't done last year. That's it. I'm not trying to be negative."
They are both egotistical idiots. I also find it funny that TO says it doesn't bother him. If it didn't, he wouldn't even have responded.
 
At the end of the day, if you're a TO hater you are going to spin no matter what he says to your liking and if he opens his mouth he's always in a no-win situation.
I'm not a TO hater at all. I really couldn't care less about TO. But the media has blown this up to the point that it is all that is on the sports reports in TX. And he had to know it was coming. Great, he likes Wade. Great, Keyshan likes Parcells. But now, it's all TO and Keyshan all the time. And that's a shame.
 
Parcells built the team , he started and gave Romo a shot where most coaches would have had him as a bench guy his whole career , he built the defense and the running game. Wade has NEVER been a great coach in the NFL he has been decent but not great - parcells has. Wade was handed a really good team and ran with it rather than really change it Like Norv tried to do.
Romo was not Parcells guy. He was Payton's guy. Payton tried to take him to NOLA with him. Parcells reluctantly started Romo and deserves very little credit imo. Maybe Parcells did build the defense that was ranked 20th in points per game last year and 15th this year. Woohoo!! Great job tuna way to build an average defense. Most teams have equal talent (with a few exceptions). The key to coaching at this level is game planning, getting the most out of your players and minimizing mistakes. Wade has been able to do that this year with this team and Parcells was never able to do that in Dallas. I think judgement should be reserved until Phillips wins at least 1 playoff game though. If the cowboys go 1 and out in the playoffs the season is a bust.
 
Banger said:
It's obvious that the focus of the offense is around TO this year and he's been unstoppable nearly every week. He was obviously not the focus last year and they weren't as good. Who deserves the credit for the change? I'd say Phillips and his staff.
Jason Witten may have something to say about this..... 80 catches to 74 in favor of Witten.
If you’re going to put the stats out there put the whole thing out there.TO: REC 74 YDS 1,270 TD 14

Witten: REC: 80 YDS 955 TD 7

I'm a big fan of Witten but TO deserves his props.....

 
As Wrs you can`t even compare the two. Johnson is not even in Owens league. Owens will have nine 1000 yard receiving seasons after this year to Johnsons three. 128 Tds and counting to Johnsons 46, 8 Eight Pro-Bowls to Johnsons three.

Key has always had an elevated self worth as a WR. The problem is that Key always felt he was a top 3-4 Wr in the NFL, when in reality he was in the 25-30 range. Just did not have the game breaking speed of a Moss or Owens.

 
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Banger said:
It's obvious that the focus of the offense is around TO this year and he's been unstoppable nearly every week. He was obviously not the focus last year and they weren't as good. Who deserves the credit for the change? I'd say Phillips and his staff.
Jason Witten may have something to say about this..... 80 catches to 74 in favor of Witten.
If you’re going to put the stats out there put the whole thing out there.TO: REC 74 YDS 1,270 TD 14

Witten: REC: 80 YDS 955 TD 7

I'm a big fan of Witten but TO deserves his props.....
Yeah and teh targets are 121-115 in favor of TO but that certainly doesn't make it obvious that TO is the focus of the offense. It looks like the passing offense is split pretty even between the two. That was the point of adding the stats.
 
i would rather have kershawn johnson over TO on my team.
In what sport, dodgeball?TO is way better than Keyshawn ever was. When TO was given the one shot in the SB, he was THE BEST player on the football field. He was a man amongst boys that game vs. NE. He was better than Brady, better than Deion Branch.They lost so it's easy to forget but I remember the exhibition, the almost one man offensive show he put on.I think SB's are important when comparing players, but it's not the bottom line when comparing receivers. It's Trent Dilfer 1; and Dan Marino 0 and it's Dan Marino>Dilfer by a mile when talking about SB's and QB comparison in the same sentence.Same here with Keyshawn and Terell.
 
i would rather have kershawn johnson over TO on my team.
In what sport, dodgeball?TO is way better than Keyshawn ever was. When TO was given the one shot in the SB, he was THE BEST player on the football field. He was a man amongst boys that game vs. NE. He was better than Brady, better than Deion Branch.They lost so it's easy to forget but I remember the exhibition, the almost one man offensive show he put on.I think SB's are important when comparing players, but it's not the bottom line when comparing receivers. It's Trent Dilfer 1; and Dan Marino 0 and it's Dan Marino>Dilfer by a mile when talking about SB's and QB comparison in the same sentence.Same here with Keyshawn and Terell.
and this was coming off a broken leg without very little if any practice time. If Philly would have won that game TO's performance would have went down as one of the all time greats.
 
Terrell pretty much owned Keyshawn(and I hate the word owned)...just give it a rest fellas...

TO is pretty funny when he is serious...

 
As Wrs you can`t even compare the two. Johnson is not even in Owens league. Owens will have nine 1000 yard receiving seasons after this year to Johnsons three. 128 Tds and counting to Johnsons 46, 8 Eight Pro-Bowls to Johnsons three.Key has always had an elevated self worth as a WR. The problem is that Key always felt he was a top 3-4 Wr in the NFL, when in reality he was in the 25-30 range. Just did not have the game breaking speed of a Moss or Owens.
I'll never forget an interview with Keyshawn the year he left the Jets for Tampa Bay, leaving Chrebet as the Jets #1 WR at the time (I think the interview was the week that the Jets were playing the Bucs). Keyshawn said something like, "I'm a superstar, a bright star and Wayne Chrebet is just a little flashlight." I never stopped hating him since ... it was so sweet that Chrebet caught the game-winning TD against the Bucs that gameNi
 
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I hate to side with Owens, EVER, but I have to this time around. Johnson is acting like he is personally insulted that people are saying that Parcells couldn't get the Cowboys to the next level, when the truth of the matter is, Parcells WASN'T able to get the Cowboys to the next level. Also, someone should remind Johnson that he was cut by the Panthers last April. On Draft Day, he was talking about what a huge asset Dwayne Jarrett would be to their team (Johnson was still referring to the Panthers as "our" team), but he was cut. So, for him to say, "I am not playing anymore because I had other things to conquer," is the biggest load of crap ever. Besides, Johnson was never as good on the field as his mouth would lead everyone to believe. He was a good possession receiver; nothing more, nothing less.
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Parcells built the team , he started and gave Romo a shot where most coaches would have had him as a bench guy his whole career , he built the defense and the running game. Wade has NEVER been a great coach in the NFL he has been decent but not great - parcells has. Wade was handed a really good team and ran with it rather than really change it Like Norv tried to do.
Parcells has not been a good coach for years.
 
It's obvious that the focus of the offense is around TO this year and he's been unstoppable nearly every week. He was obviously not the focus last year and they weren't as good. Who deserves the credit for the change? I'd say Phillips and his staff.
Jason Witten may have something to say about this..... 80 catches to 74 in favor of Witten.
If you’re going to put the stats out there put the whole thing out there.TO: REC 74 YDS 1,270 TD 14

Witten: REC: 80 YDS 955 TD 7

I'm a big fan of Witten but TO deserves his props.....
Yeah and teh targets are 121-115 in favor of TO but that certainly doesn't make it obvious that TO is the focus of the offense. It looks like the passing offense is split pretty even between the two. That was the point of adding the stats.
Witten is probably the best all around TE in the league, but Owens clears out the underneath routes for Witten to excel.
 
I think I only read one guy who gives Parcells any blame for this.

I think Bill worked himself out of success in Dallas by being too stubborn and having too big of an ego.

Why won't he refer to players by their names? That is simply a tactic to degrade people and keep them down so they'll do as you say. His entire coaching style is built around intimidating his players. That is pretty much the opposite of what TO needs. TO is immature and needs coddelling, but Parcells was too much of a hard-### to even bend at all with the guy. TO can be a real pain, but I would put a lot of blame on Parcells, because he is a smart guy and had to know what TO was.

Bills stubbornness as a coach actually limited the teams success in this case. He couldn't even sacrifice himself or his own ego at all for the good of the team, even though it is what he asks them to do as players.

Do as I say, not as I do doesn't fly anywhere, even in the NFL where everyone is supposed to be "proffessional". Parcells is a world class jerk and has gotten worse as the NFL has evolved past him. I would actually be upset if he came to coach any team I rooted for because his style will ultimately limit the success of the team (kind of like Herm Edwards & Norv Turner).

 
This time Key's the flashlight.

It would be nice for TO to say that Key was pushed out of the league, because he was.... By Dwayne weekly inactive Johnson. Key didn't get to go out on his own terms......and I absolutely love the blow to the ego it had to be for him. Especially after all his gloating about the Jarrett selection on ESPN on draft day.

 
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