Texans at Lions (1 Viewer)

[voiceofunreason]

clearly the replacement refs were sooooo bad.. right? right?

Not the refs, its the rule..

it IS the refs. nobody saw his body hit the ground? come on.

The refs have been encouraged not to blow a whistle unless they are absolutely sure. If his knee DIDN'T touch the ground, you cant fix it afterwards, you blew the whistle. So PLAY TO THE WHISTLE. We teach that to 7 year olds.

Get rid of instant replay and make officials accountable. NFL games have so many commercials they are almost unwatchwable unless you are seeing 4 at once. The game could be 10 times as good. Of course less money for commercials which is the REAL reason they have instant replay.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Here's an idea.If you're a coach and one of your players scores an important TD, but you're worried it might be overturned on review? Throw the challenge flag. A 15 yard penalty in exchange for making it a non-reviewable play is a great trade.

but I think they said the throwing team can't benefit from the review, I'm guessing the non throwing team can.

 

[zandbak]

Not reviewing an automatic review because a coach wanted it reviewed is one of the dumbest 'rules' in all sports.

 

[mad sweeney]

Here's an idea.If you're a coach and one of your players scores an important TD, but you're worried it might be overturned on review? Throw the challenge flag. A 15 yard penalty in exchange for making it a non-reviewable play is a great trade.

There's probably language in the rule to prevent that, but it's a good idea to try.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Wow.... worst reffing job all year and on prime time TV

Love comments like this. It's as if people missed the end of the Green Bay-Seattle game in week 3

That one just now much worse for a number of reasons.

 

[Lash]

The Tuck Rule just got surpassed as the dumbest rule in sports

 

[jon_mx]

Wow.... worst reffing job all year and on prime time TV

Love comments like this. It's as if people missed the end of the Green Bay-Seattle game in week 3

Whatever cause a GB lose is not a bad thing.

 

[Loan Sharks]

WOW...REFs should be fired over this one.

Jim Schwartz too for not knowing the rule. More the NFL's fault than anything else, league is becoming terrible.

Someone probably told Schwartz the rule and he thought they were joking because it just sounds made up.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Why Foster isn't getting more carries is ridiculous.

 

[PennStater77]

How dare the coach throw a flag asking for a review. That privilege belongs only to us in the booth. Just for that, we're going to screw him.

He threw a flag on a automatic review play, he didn't know TD were automatically reviewed.

 

[Not Sleeping]

Thats idiotic. What benefit to you gain from a review that was going to be reviewed anyway? That being said, how do you not know that every TD will be reviewed automatically? AND if you're the guy in charge of the flag how do you not know that throwing it illegally will cost you a review? Idiot.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!Couldn't happen to a better guy! This is the same ######## who was shouting "Know the rules!" across the field at Harbaugh last year.

 

[PACKER 7]

People were complaining about the replacement refs but the application of the rules is way over-regulated in the NFL. That should have been called down, then it should have been reviewed and then there should be no penalty for something like the coach throwing a challenge flag. What a mess. It's becoming the NBA which is unwatchable.

For me that is like a golf ruling. (e.g. Dustin Johnson bunker / non-bunker ruling)The refs are just applying the rules they are given, but again I can't understand why that is a rule at all.

 

[CrazyFox]

Where the intentional grounding?

 

[Irish Chaos]

like why do the refs ignore these hits on schaub?

 

[mbuehner]

I get the penalty- coaches were getting used to throwing their flag just to get the ref's attention (and slow the game down when necessary). The review rule is just crazy though, who could that possibly benefit? If the play is going to be reviewed anyway, its not an egregious red flag. If it cant be reviewed, the punishment doesn't apply. Why punish the coach for essentially challenging something that is challengeable? Punish them for trying to challenge the unchallengable, that makes sense.

 

[Lavachebeadsman]

That call was worse than Golden Tate's "TD".

 

[jon_mx]

How dare the coach throw a flag asking for a review. That privilege belongs only to us in the booth. Just for that, we're going to screw him.

He threw a flag on a automatic review play, he didn't know TD were automatically reviewed.

Swartz has never been accused of being the smartest coach

 

[Doctor Detroit]

WOW...REFs should be fired over this one.

Jim Schwartz too for not knowing the rule. More the NFL's fault than anything else, league is becoming terrible.

Heat of the moment..should make no difference in the original mistake.

Jim Schwartz runs a loose ship, his teams reflect him.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Detroit has gotten away with hitting WRs early twice now.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

What an AWFUL rule

I agree that he should be penalized the 15 yards. I don't agree that the play all of a sudden doesn't get reviewed automatically. The rule was put in place for a reason. Scoring plays are important every single one should be reviewed to confirm validity regardless of what happens on the field.

What reason? I didn't realize that coaches throwing a challenge flag on a play hat was going to be challenged anyway being a problem. Even 15 yds for that "offense' is ####tarded.

 

[PolishNorbi]

Here's an idea.If you're a coach and one of your players scores an important TD, but you're worried it might be overturned on review? Throw the challenge flag. A 15 yard penalty in exchange for making it a non-reviewable play is a great trade.

Was curious about that too..

 

[Doctor Detroit]

People were complaining about the replacement refs but the application of the rules is way over-regulated in the NFL. That should have been called down, then it should have been reviewed and then there should be no penalty for something like the coach throwing a challenge flag. What a mess. It's becoming the NBA which is unwatchable.

For me that is like a golf ruling. (e.g. Dustin Johnson bunker / non-bunker ruling)The refs are just applying the rules they are given, but again I can't understand why that is a rule at all.

I agree. I place much less blame on the refs than I do the league here. Schwartz IMO is just as guilty as the refs.

 

[tombonneau]

Once a coach throws a challenge flag on an auto reviewed play (score, turnover) its penalty and play no longer reviewable. This scenario came up a few weeks ago. I fully expect a Goodell mideseason knee jerk rule change.

I have been thinking for literally minutes now. Why would you even have that rule in place? What possible purpose could it serve? Saving the refs three seconds to say "pick up the flag is auto review."Not only a horrible horrible result but perhaps the most ridiculous rule I have ever heard of.

I can't think of significant upside of this rule either. If anything, as a sneaky poster mentioned, it opens door for a coach to throw flag on his own scoring play if he thinks it will get overturned.

 

[Beerguzzler]

Thats idiotic. What benefit to you gain from a review that was going to be reviewed anyway? That being said, how do you not know that every TD will be reviewed automatically? AND if you're the guy in charge of the flag how do you not know that throwing it illegally will cost you a review? Idiot.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!Couldn't happen to a better guy! This is the same ######## who was shouting "Know the rules!" across the field at Harbaugh last year.

Was he really screaming that? Lol too funny.

 

[PolishNorbi]

What an AWFUL rule

I agree that he should be penalized the 15 yards. I don't agree that the play all of a sudden doesn't get reviewed automatically. The rule was put in place for a reason. Scoring plays are important every single one should be reviewed to confirm validity regardless of what happens on the field.

What reason? I didn't realize that coaches throwing a challenge flag on a play hat was going to be challenged anyway being a problem. Even 15 yds for that "offense' is ####tarded.

I guess they consider it unsportmanslike conduct.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

WOW...REFs should be fired over this one.

Jim Schwartz too for not knowing the rule. More the NFL's fault than anything else, league is becoming terrible.

Someone probably told Schwartz the rule and he thought they were joking because it just sounds made up.

Aren't all rules technically "made-up?"

 

[letter_j]

OK I got why, but my question is why is that a rule? You should be able to throw the flag anytime unless you are out of challenges. Like calling a TO when you have none. I can't understand the basis of the rule.

Just a guess on my part, but Orlando Brown was hit in the eye by a penalty flag and missed three seasons:BALTIMORE — Orlando “Zeus” Brown, the 360-pound tackle who in 1999 was accidentally hit in the eye with a penalty flag and missed three seasons because of the damage it caused, was found dead at his Baltimore home. He was 40.

...

Brown, a 6-foot-7 offensive tackle, played 10 NFL seasons — four with the Cleveland Browns (1993-95 and 1999) and six with the Baltimore Ravens (1996-98 and 2003-05). He started 119 of his 129 games.

Brown will be remembered for the game between Cleveland and Jacksonville a dozen years ago when the massive tackle was struck in the right eye by a weighted penalty flag thrown by official Jeff Triplette. Brown stormed on the field and pushed Triplette, drawing a suspension.

Brown, whose father was blind from glaucoma, said concern for his eyesight caused him to confront Triplette. Brown was hospitalized for six days with bleeding behind the eye. He sued the NFL for $200 million, settling the lawsuit for $25 million.

He missed the next three seasons because of the injury, returning to football and the Ravens for the 2003 season. The Ravens learned of Brown’s death during practice.

...

http://www.toledoblade.com/sports/2011/09/23/Orlando-Brown-massive-tackle-who-was-hit-in-eye-by-penalty-flag-found-dead-at-Baltimore-home.html

Is it a safety thing, because they don`t want head coaches throwing the flags unnecessarily

 

[death of the cool]

Wtf is with Houston? Why are they hell bent on limiting foster's carries.

Does he even have 10 carries in this game?

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

I've seen dozens of instances where a coach throws a flag, confers with the refs, and then picks up the flag (usually because it's unreviewable) - after which the refs simply say "There is no challenge on the play" ... and there's no penalty. Why does the outcome of the play (in this case, a scoring play) change how this is handled??

 

[dgreen]

Look, it is clear that the NFL really, really, really wants to discourage coaches from the flag over and over and over on a play that will be reviewed anyway. So, they made the price extremely expensive. It really should be an easy rule to follow. It only appears to be a horrible rule because a coach failed to follow a very simple rule.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Detroit has gotten away with hitting WRs early twice now.

Both times within .5 second of the ball. Deserve a few more make up calls to even out that last bs.Congrats forsett on the Texans longest running play ever.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

For those of you watching. Is Levy hurt or is he just not getting any tackles for Detroit? Unable to watch the game at work.

 

[Ilov80s]

2 wrongs don't make a right. The rule should just be that Schwartz loses the challenge. What a stupid league this is. If not for fantasy football,I likely would have stopped watching this garbage.

 

[tombonneau]

Here's an idea.If you're a coach and one of your players scores an important TD, but you're worried it might be overturned on review? Throw the challenge flag. A 15 yard penalty in exchange for making it a non-reviewable play is a great trade.

There's probably language in the rule to prevent that, but it's a good idea to try.

I think you are giving the league and the competition committee too much credit.

 

[renesauz]

Detroit has gotten away with hitting WRs early twice now.

Nope...good no -call

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Here's an idea.

If you're a coach and one of your players scores an important TD, but you're worried it might be overturned on review? Throw the challenge flag. A 15 yard penalty in exchange for making it a non-reviewable play is a great trade.

XPlays are still reviewed. It's just that the team that made the challenge can't benefit from the review. (The other team still can.)

I like the rule. Don't throw the flag. Throwing the flag on a play that was going to be reviewed anyway does nothing but show up the refs. So don't throw it.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Look, it is clear that the NFL really, really, really wants to discourage coaches from the flag over and over and over on a play that will be reviewed anyway. So, they made the price extremely expensive. It really should be an easy rule to follow. It only appears to be a horrible rule because a coach failed to follow a very simple rule.

This rule is about as reasonable/just as getting killed for spitting on a sidewalk/chewing gum.

 

[BobbyLayne]

see the name don't block

Pop Warner stuff

 

[dgreen]

Look, it is clear that the NFL really, really, really wants to discourage coaches from the flag over and over and over on a play that will be reviewed anyway. So, they made the price extremely expensive. It really should be an easy rule to follow. It only appears to be a horrible rule because a coach failed to follow a very simple rule.

This rule is about as reasonable/just as getting killed for spitting on a sidewalk/chewing gum.

Yeah, not really.

 

[elmanx]

Few points

1. It's a stupid rule

2. No, a coach can't throw a challenge flag when his team scores to make it unreviewable. The rule is the throwing team can't benefit from the review. So in this case, if Kubiak threw the flag, it still would have been reviewable (for Detroit to benefit).

3. I believe the 'reason' behind the rule is that coaches used to always just throw the flag basically to just yell at the officials. It would slow down the game a lot. Of course, there are better solutions (loss of challenge, loss of time out, loss of yardage, etc.), but this is the penalty they chose.

 

[Cookiemonster]

People were complaining about the replacement refs but the application of the rules is way over-regulated in the NFL. That should have been called down, then it should have been reviewed and then there should be no penalty for something like the coach throwing a challenge flag. What a mess. It's becoming the NBA I.R.S. which is unwatchablebearable.

Edited for accuracy.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Here's an idea.

If you're a coach and one of your players scores an important TD, but you're worried it might be overturned on review? Throw the challenge flag. A 15 yard penalty in exchange for making it a non-reviewable play is a great trade.

XPlays are still reviewed. It's just that the team that made the challenge can't benefit from the review. (The other team still can.)

I like the rule. Don't throw the flag. Throwing the flag on a play that was going to be reviewed anyway does nothing but show up the refs. So don't throw it.

I think he rule is dumb, but should be 15 yd at best. the nullified review aspect is ridiculous. It essentially cements the horrible call, which is te exact opposite of what the review process is designed to do.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Bell with the longest run of the season (26 yards) for the Lions, the first 19+ run of the year

 

[mbuehner]

Here's an idea.

If you're a coach and one of your players scores an important TD, but you're worried it might be overturned on review? Throw the challenge flag. A 15 yard penalty in exchange for making it a non-reviewable play is a great trade.

XPlays are still reviewed. It's just that the team that made the challenge can't benefit from the review. (The other team still can.)

I like the rule. Don't throw the flag. Throwing the flag on a play that was going to be reviewed anyway does nothing but show up the refs. So don't throw it.

You're ok with swinging a game on national television on Thanksgiving based on something a bonehead coach does on the sideline? Im not. 15 yards is plenty. A free 7 points is ridiculous.

 

[renesauz]

Look, it is clear that the NFL really, really, really wants to discourage coaches from the flag over and over and over on a play that will be reviewed anyway. So, they made the price extremely expensive. It really should be an easy rule to follow. It only appears to be a horrible rule because a coach failed to follow a very simple rule.

Let the punishment fit the crime. Review the automaticly reviewed play anyway...then enforce the dead ball foul of Delay of game.

 

[massraider]

Thats idiotic. What benefit to you gain from a review that was going to be reviewed anyway? That being said, how do you not know that every TD will be reviewed automatically? AND if you're the guy in charge of the flag how do you not know that throwing it illegally will cost you a review? Idiot.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!Couldn't happen to a better guy! This is the same ######## who was shouting "Know the rules!" across the field at Harbaugh last year.

Was he really screaming that? Lol too funny.

Hey, Schwartz, don't sit there shaking your head like you can't believe how these refs are screwing you. You Effed up.It's a bad rule. But there was no reason why he should have thrown that flag.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

2 wrongs don't make a right. The rule should just be that Schwartz loses the challenge. What a stupid league this is. If not for fantasy football,I likely would have stopped watching this garbage.

It's over-regulated. I mean who thought that rule up? The rules committee must have been late for their planes the day that one was thought up and they all left early. Then Herbie the accountant pieced together their notes and wrote this one into the rulebook. Just now are they realizing what happened.

 

[Slapdash]

Really hope the Lions get past this screw-job.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

WOW...REFs should be fired over this one.

Jim Schwartz too for not knowing the rule.

Schwartz knew the rule. (He immediately took the blame, pointing to himself and saying "my fault, that's on me" several times.)He just thew the flag to "be a man" and let the refs know that he's not going to stand for their error, and he didn't think about the rule in the heat of the moment.

 

[mbuehner]

Is anybody gonna walk away from this game thinking, 'Well, thank god at least the ref's didnt get shown up'. I doubt it.