The 1st overall selection of the 2007 NFL draft is.. (1 Viewer)

[RustyFA]

Its funny but I think Detroit needs to draft Calvin Johnson. This is a cant miss draft pick. Johnson is such a polished reciever and is reminiscent of Larry Fitzgerald. The fact that Georgia Tech has a crappy QB makes Calvin Johnson's accomplishments so much more remarkable. The Lions right now have a converted safety for a second wide reciever. Wide reciever has to be there most pressing need. I mean it was painful to watch Furrey come up short twice in the game when he caught the ball 2 yards short of the first down marker and was unable to convert.

They already have Roy Williams, they don't need an other WR. Joe Thomas would be a great pick. With Joe Thomas, Damien Woody, Jeff Backus, Ross Verba, and whoever will be the starting center, you actually have a solid OLine, which would greatly help the offence (and the defence). Now, if they can find a good Dline in the 2nd round to go with Kalimba Edwards, James Hall and Shaun Cody, that would be a huge boost. A much bigger boost than Calvin Johnson.

I disagree using this logic your saying the Saints would be better off this year with D'Brickashaw Ferguson then Marquis Colston. I will even take it a step futher I would be willing to bet that the Saints would rather have Marquis Colston over a young Walter Jones. Having a good complement opposite Roy Williams would make it alot harder to figure out a defensive gameplan against the Lions. The Lions offensive line is not that bad you could do worse. If the Lions defense could actually step up the Lions would have found there way into the win column more than twice.

That is just flipping crazy. Of course any team would take Ferguson or Walter Jones over Colston. Wow, that is just crazy.

 

[stevegamer]

The Lions' need an O-line to give the QB time to throw.

Furrey may not be some people's ideal #2 becasuse he's not a co-#1, but he's decent. He catches the ball and makes plays. You may be right that nobody really fears him, but realize the following:

Excluding Furrey/Williams, Lion WR have not been making many plays.

Furrey outworks probably the rest of the WR core, and is a good example for other players.

He's okay. The lions need an OL. I'd get some guards, frankly. They have an expensive LT & C, if I remember right. Plus you can usually get guards later on.

They need to trade down, even if they get relatively poor "value", but they should look to add picks in later years.

Picks in later years will have more value than this year, by the increased probability of deMillenization: A draft pick in the hands of Matt Millen has less value than the same pick in the hands of another NFL GM.

 

[-OZ-]

The Lions' need an O-line to give the QB time to throw.Furrey may not be some people's ideal #2 becasuse he's not a co-#1, but he's decent. He catches the ball and makes plays. You may be right that nobody really fears him, but realize the following:Excluding Furrey/Williams, Lion WR have not been making many plays. Furrey outworks probably the rest of the WR core, and is a good example for other players.He's okay. The lions need an OL. I'd get some guards, frankly. They have an expensive LT & C, if I remember right. Plus you can usually get guards later on.They need to trade down, even if they get relatively poor "value", but they should look to add picks in later years. Picks in later years will have more value than this year, by the increased probability of deMillenization: A draft pick in the hands of Matt Millen has less value than the same pick in the hands of another NFL GM.

great post. you hit all of the major points, I agree with them all, and you coined a good new word. In all honesty, while I'm skeptical of Furrey's long term potential, we could list 5-12 teams with worse #2's. (and 20-27 with worse #1's)

 

[simmonjm]

I was going to post something regarding the Lions, but diesel pretty much said everything I could say, and better than I could say it. So yeah, what he said. Take CJ. Don't even think about it as a WR2. The goal would be to have two WR1.

I wonder if this was the line when they took Charles Rogers and Mike Williams?

this is also what Arizona hasBoldin and Fitz as co-WR#1soh yeah, how is that working out in the desert with NO offensive line......going to get them a top 5 pick

The Lions offense line is much better than the Cardinals. Fitz was injured in Arizona for 4-5 games in addition they are starting a true rookie. Once Leinart gets some experience that will be a scary offense.

 

[simmonjm]

Its funny but I think Detroit needs to draft Calvin Johnson. This is a cant miss draft pick. Johnson is such a polished reciever and is reminiscent of Larry Fitzgerald. The fact that Georgia Tech has a crappy QB makes Calvin Johnson's accomplishments so much more remarkable. The Lions right now have a converted safety for a second wide reciever. Wide reciever has to be there most pressing need. I mean it was painful to watch Furrey come up short twice in the game when he caught the ball 2 yards short of the first down marker and was unable to convert.

They already have Roy Williams, they don't need an other WR. Joe Thomas would be a great pick. With Joe Thomas, Damien Woody, Jeff Backus, Ross Verba, and whoever will be the starting center, you actually have a solid OLine, which would greatly help the offence (and the defence). Now, if they can find a good Dline in the 2nd round to go with Kalimba Edwards, James Hall and Shaun Cody, that would be a huge boost. A much bigger boost than Calvin Johnson.

I disagree using this logic your saying the Saints would be better off this year with D'Brickashaw Ferguson then Marquis Colston. I will even take it a step futher I would be willing to bet that the Saints would rather have Marquis Colston over a young Walter Jones. Having a good complement opposite Roy Williams would make it alot harder to figure out a defensive gameplan against the Lions. The Lions offensive line is not that bad you could do worse. If the Lions defense could actually step up the Lions would have found there way into the win column more than twice.

That is just flipping crazy. Of course any team would take Ferguson or Walter Jones over Colston. Wow, that is just crazy.

Really because Colston is on pace to break all rookie WR stats. I guarantee you the Vikings 4-5 years ago would have been garbage if you replaced Randy Moss, with Walter Jones.

 

[tribecalledjeff]

I was going to post something regarding the Lions, but diesel pretty much said everything I could say, and better than I could say it. So yeah, what he said. Take CJ. Don't even think about it as a WR2. The goal would be to have two WR1.

I wonder if this was the line when they took Charles Rogers and Mike Williams?

this is also what Arizona hasBoldin and Fitz as co-WR#1soh yeah, how is that working out in the desert with NO offensive line......going to get them a top 5 pick

It's also what Indy has. That seems to be working out ok, eh?

 

[tribecalledjeff]

Its funny but I think Detroit needs to draft Calvin Johnson. This is a cant miss draft pick. Johnson is such a polished reciever and is reminiscent of Larry Fitzgerald. The fact that Georgia Tech has a crappy QB makes Calvin Johnson's accomplishments so much more remarkable. The Lions right now have a converted safety for a second wide reciever. Wide reciever has to be there most pressing need. I mean it was painful to watch Furrey come up short twice in the game when he caught the ball 2 yards short of the first down marker and was unable to convert.

** - not talking about the grammatical error

I got tryptophan and alcohol in my system I cannot be held responsible for grammatical errors. What in your opinion is the Lions most pressing need?

Don't let him give you any guff. It's not a grammatical error, it's a simple spelling error. Might even be classified as a typo. But grammatical? No.

I wasn't really looking to make a big deal out of the error, I was just pointing out that I was not highlighting that sentence because of it.But it is a grammatical error. Here go read: http://bio.classes.ucsc.edu/bio20L/info/writ/pairs.htm

I thought you were talking about the highlighted misspelled word (reciever), didn't even finish the sentence to see the homonym. I used to try try at first to subtly point out small errors that could be fixed to raise the level of the shark pool (especially among some mods and FBG writers who as professional writers I felt should be correct) to high school senior levels. Especially posts that were calling me and others' posts or points stupid. Doesn't work, it's hopeless. I got stomped. Like the Lions. So now I just live with apostrophied plurals, misused homonyms, Shawn Alexander's, must ofs (instead of must have), their, they're, there, misspelling vs simple typos and all the rest. It's sad really. Just like the Lions

 

[-OZ-]

I was going to post something regarding the Lions, but diesel pretty much said everything I could say, and better than I could say it. So yeah, what he said. Take CJ. Don't even think about it as a WR2. The goal would be to have two WR1.

I wonder if this was the line when they took Charles Rogers and Mike Williams?

this is also what Arizona hasBoldin and Fitz as co-WR#1s

oh yeah, how is that working out in the desert with NO offensive line......

going to get them a top 5 pick

It's also what Indy has. That seems to be working out ok, eh?

See the bolded part. Indy's OL is pretty damn good.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I was going to post something regarding the Lions, but diesel pretty much said everything I could say, and better than I could say it. So yeah, what he said. Take CJ. Don't even think about it as a WR2. The goal would be to have two WR1.

I wonder if this was the line when they took Charles Rogers and Mike Williams?

this is also what Arizona hasBoldin and Fitz as co-WR#1soh yeah, how is that working out in the desert with NO offensive line......going to get them a top 5 pick

It's also what Indy has. That seems to be working out ok, eh?

Yeah that's it. Every team with two great WR's is the Colts.

 

[Sinrman]

Offensive Line, Defensive Line or Trade Down...

 

[coolnerd]

Trading down is much easier said than done. To make it worthwhile the team looking to trade down would still want a top tier player and then get additional picks at some point in the draft where they believe they can still draft impact players. It's rare that a team with a top 5 pick would be willing to give up a lot of additional picks to move up. SD were able to do it a few yrs ago and it clearly worked out great for them, but every yr people say that the team with the top pick should trade down, but it's not that simple.

You will be able to say this until you are blue in the face. Fans of every team thinks that all the other teams who are at the top portion of the draft need to trade several first day draft picks to get into a spot to fill the one highest need despite that other team also lacks of overall depth and talent. More simply your team always should trade down; every other team should be dumb enough to trade up.

 

[diesel7982]

Martz' system doesnt run unless it has the WRs to run it. By your logic, the Rams shouldnt have drafted Torry Holt, they already had Isaac Bruce. Does that sounds :shortbus: to you?Every NFL team is different, and every team values each position differently. Obviously a WR2 is going to be of much greater value to a team like DET than a team like San Diego. A blanket statement like you just posted is quite foolish in that respect.But to apply all of this to the specific players who will be available in the 2007 draft, Id imagine the Lions will look at it this way:Joe Thomas:They have Jeff Backus, currently one of the 5 highest paid LTs in the NFL, at Left tackle. Would they draft Joe Thomas, pay him $25+ mil up front, and then play him at RT? Would they shift Backus over to RT, which hed be horribly suited for?Brady Quinn:A possibility, but with the success Martz has had developing QBs, and the play of Kitna so far this year, will they really spend a top draft pick on Quinn and set their timeframe to win back by a couple years?Defense(Gaines Adams, etc)Who is worth taking with a top 3 pick? Adams? Cory Redding is a budding star, and Kalimba Edwards just signed a big extenstion. Calvin Johnson/Other WR:Once Mike Williams is released in the offseason, the Lions will have Mike Furrey, Eddie Drummond, Corey Bradford, and assorted other crap to play WR2 in Martz's offense, which heavily focuses on, and demands great play from the WRs. We've seen the entire Lions' offense shut down this year repeatedly when Roy has been taken out of the game by double teams. Calvin Johnson is one of the best WR prospects to come out in the last 5 years, and there are a host of other 1st round caliber WRs that would also be able to make an immediate impact for the Lions. Johnson, in my mind, is the safest pick in the 2007 draft, and would fill a HUGE need for the Lions, while representing the best value on the board. So to answer your question, in this specific instance, yes, a WR2 is more valuable than "a competent offensive line, a quarterback of the future, or an addition to a bottom 5 NFL defense".A star WR2 will greatly improve this offense, and this can be done by adding only one player. Joe Thomas isnt going to step in and make the line competent, and the Lions have a better defense when healthy than you are crediting them for. WRs can make a big impact in the NFL. For evidence of this, I suggest you look at EVERY NFL DRAFT of the past 30 years and notice how there are often WRs taken amongst the top 10 picks, over LTs, QBs, and even defensive players.

so because the Rams had two really good receivers under Mike Martz, that means they didn't have a competent offensive line or a competent quarterback? why would you compare one position between the two teams and not the rest?It is not "foolish" to say that QUARTERBACK is more important than WR2. It's pretty scary that you actually think that.Just because Mike Martz is on two teams doesn't mean they're the same teams. The Rams also had a perennial Pro Bowl tackle during that time, and Warner was making the Pro Bowl every season. Not to mention that guy named Marshall Faulk.So you can tell me that it's most important for the Lions to get their Tory Holt & Isaac Bruce, but I think if you're going to compare the two teams (which is stupid anyway), they first need to get their Orlando Pace, Kurt Warner, and hell, they're Marshall Faulk. Unless you think Kitna and Jones are Warner and Faulk in their prime?

Reading comprehension is a good thing, I promise you. But then again, its easy to argue with someone when you arent arguing with what they are saying.

 

[BigRed]

True I haven't seen a lot of DET this year and you can't have enough good OLs, but what I have seen I didn't think their OL was all that terrible. And people seem to be focusing so much on the O they forget the D more or less sucks too, esp the secondary. IMO they need to get WHATEVER they can (granted might not be what it should) to trade down and go stud CB or OL. A stud TE would be nice too, but obviously not in the 1st.

And yes they do need another WR. Furrey is OK but not WR2 material. fn Mike Wms and Rogers, POSs

 

[Getinthemix]

Is it a sure thing that Martz is even there next year? Just asking.

This is a great question.